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    How much do you value your vinyl collection?

    (I was not sure where to post this thread, but I guess it might be of interest to all, so "general audio" seemed appropriate!)

    I pose this question because I recently started to realise the monetary value of certain records in my collection and decided to sell them on Ebay. I was quite astounded at how much some items were worth.

    Back in the 1970’s I was an avid record buyer with particular interest in progressive rock. My interests in those days were hi-fi and music, I did not care or know much about labels and “first pressings”. These as you may know are records pressed with the first “stamper” and apparently are often the best quality as they are as close to the original as you could get. Certain labels are very collectable too. Virtually anything on the Vertigo “Swirl” label is worth money, particularly if it is a “UK first pressing”.

    My interest in the value of rare or unusual pressing was kindled while surfing the net and discovering that the very early pressings of Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side Of The Moon” had a solid blue triangle on the label (as opposed to later pressings that had a blue outlined triangle) and the sleeve was very dark blue not black. These early copies are very collectable. I discovered I had that version and auctioned it on Ebay. To my astonishment it sold to a collector in America for £205.00! I have since seen an identical but virtually unplayed copy go for £570.00!

    I soon discovered that quite a few records in my collection were very valuable indeed. For example I had a near mint condition copy of the album “Asylum” by Cressida on the Vertigo “Swirl” label. I put that on Ebay and it raised £367.00

    I also had first pressings of Beatles, Stones and other UK progressive rock albums that were rare or collectable issues. In total, I have raised almost 2000 pounds in 3 weeks by selling them off. I have replaced the ones I still wanted with CD equivalents. The Cressida album on CD cost me £9.95, which makes a profit of £357.05 on that one item! And still have the music! The CD is the re-mastered version and sounds better than the vinyl I sold. I also replaced the Dark side of the moon with a 180g anniversary vinyl version for £20.00 – a profit of £185.00!

    So the question is, given the potential value of some of your old vinyl, would you be tempted to sell it? Does it matter to you if you have the “Solid Blue Triangle” on the label of your Floyd album, or would you sell it, buy a new one on CD (or vinyl) and reap the profits?

    As it happens I decided to buy a Nikon Digital camera with some of the money, but isn’t this a great way to make some money and upgrade your system? Assuming of course you have some records to sell !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Adams
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    So the question is, given the potential value of some of your old vinyl, would you be tempted to sell it? Does it matter to you if you have the “Solid Blue Triangle” on the label of your Floyd album, or would you sell it, buy a new one on CD (or vinyl) and reap the profits?
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    My old vinyl is nothing but clutter. I basically never listen to it. I would be happy to sell it for a few buck. I have only one LP that mgiht be worth a little more than garage sale value; that would be my original addition of Carlos Kleiber's Beethven 5th Symphony.

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    Such a pity. With a good quality phonostage, TT and cartridge, the sound of vinyl can be magical. Most well-recorded vinyl LPs can make for a much more intimate listening experience, where the meaning of the music comes through. For Classical music vinyl excels. There is less homogenization, which is important given that an orchestra has many instruments that play on large soundstage. But again - it depends on the rig. Vinyl definitely requires more care, and its much more expensive too get a decent rig set up.

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    I have a copy of Ricki lee jones(original master series) and the best price I saw was
    20 bucks on EBAY. Certainly wouldnt sell it for that
    And that copy of the first edition of HONKEY CHATEU by Elton John before he became a "sir", mom got me that one on my 14th birthday, wouldnt part with that either.
    My collection has shrunk, thanks to water damage to quite a few when my brother had them (tornado).
    The LA WOMAN issue with the yellow window , the first issue of exiles on main street,
    the first issue of diamond dogs
    But I still have fleetwood mac, Bob James, Gill-scott Heron, Led zeppelin, about eighty
    all told.
    And most have memories attached, and while we audio types treasure records it seems that the market doesnt.
    Dont think I am going to be tempted by an offers of riches anytime soon that will even
    come close to make me consider giving up on these memories
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    This is humbug

    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
    Such a pity. With a good quality phonostage, TT and cartridge, the sound of vinyl can be magical. Most well-recorded vinyl LPs can make for a much more intimate listening experience, where the meaning of the music comes through. For Classical music vinyl excels. There is less homogenization, which is important given that an orchestra has many instruments that play on large soundstage. But again - it depends on the rig. Vinyl definitely requires more care, and its much more expensive too get a decent rig set up.
    Sure, classical LPs can sound very fine. And doubtless a better analog kit will make them sound better. But to imply that analog is inherently superior for air and soundstage is invalid, IMO.

    I have many murky-sounding CDs; I also have many with superb transparency, soundstage, and detail. It's the recording process that makes the most difference, not the medium. This applies to CD versus SACD too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor
    My old vinyl is nothing but clutter. I basically never listen to it. I would be happy to sell it for a few buck. I have only one LP that mgiht be worth a little more than garage sale value; that would be my original addition of Carlos Kleiber's Beethven 5th Symphony.
    You might be surprised that some of that "old clutter" may be worth a buck or two. Some of my old vinyl only raised £10-15 but I was never going to play those particular discs again or had already replaced them with CD's, so I asked myself if it was cash I found in a draw, would I put it back and not spend it? No brainer!

    A bit of research into which pressings you have (especially if you bought them when they first came out and may be "first pressings" will tell you what you have.

    My old Beatles vinyl albums raised a total of £287 and I have them all on CD!

    As far as it being a waste is concerned, they went to good homes where they will be appreciated! I got a great new camera and some money to spend! No waste there!
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    Good advice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Les Adams
    You might be surprised that some of that "old clutter" may be worth a buck or two. Some of my old vinyl only raised £10-15 but I was never going to play those particular discs again or had already replaced them with CD's, so I asked myself if it was cash I found in a draw, would I put it back and not spend it? No brainer!

    A bit of research into which pressings you have (especially if you bought them when they first came out and may be "first pressings" will tell you what you have.
    ...
    Thanks, Les,

    Yes, I'll do a little research. I probably have a few original or early pressings, and like you, I'd rather scoop some cash than hang on to these technology relics.

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    I have a few LPs that are worth more that the typical $2-$10.

    Bob Dylan's Highway 61 w/ alternate "From a Buick"
    Bob Dylan's G.H. Vol 1 w/Milton Glasser Poster.
    I've got a few original pressing Beefheart records and a couple oddities from his catalog.
    I have a handful of NM bop-era jazz records that are worth $30 each or-so.

    Generally though, I think the value of this stuff has dropped since the advent of online auctions---things aren't so rare anymore. I mean if someone wants a copy of Highway 61 with the alt. Buick track, they don't have to wait too long to buy it. No hunting.

    Although I'm sure online auctions work to drive the value of some items up, I think generally , for my stuff, it's been down.

    I've regretted letting go of valuable vinyl in the past. I'm pretty much committed to keeping it for my own enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor
    Sure, classical LPs can sound very fine. And doubtless a better analog kit will make them sound better. But to imply that analog is inherently superior for air and soundstage is invalid, IMO.

    I have many murky-sounding CDs; I also have many with superb transparency, soundstage, and detail. It's the recording process that makes the most difference, not the medium. This applies to CD versus SACD too.
    OUH ARRRR Scrooge.

    Own up Feanor. You've probably never even heard a good analogue rig. If you think the record player you have is capable of reproducing analogue in its full glory - think again. I have a setup sufficiently capable of extracting very good performance from both digital media and vinyl. I can tell you categorically that certain aspects of vinyl easily trounce any digital media you care to mention. Homogenization is an area where vinyl so clearly excels over cd. There is greater seperation and air around instruments. The sound blooms as it does in real life. There is much more natural definition without any artificial edginess. Trouble is, you've never heard a good vinyl reproduction system, so I think you should reserve your criticism until such time as you have.

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    Well, fine

    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
    OUH ARRRR Scrooge.

    Own up Feanor. You've probably never even heard a good analogue rig. If you think the record player you have is capable of reproducing analogue in its full glory - think again. I have a setup sufficiently capable of extracting very good performance from both digital media and vinyl. I can tell you categorically that certain aspects of vinyl easily trounce any digital media you care to mention. Homogenization is an area where vinyl so clearly excels over cd. There is greater seperation and air around instruments. The sound blooms as it does in real life. There is much more natural definition without any artificial edginess. Trouble is, you've never heard a good vinyl reproduction system, so I think you should reserve your criticism until such time as you have.
    Quite right, I've never listened to a $10k vinyl rig at any length. Bully for you that you have such a rig. Lacking in objectivity as I might be, it pisses me off to be told by audio snobs and braggarts that I'm ignorant because I don't have an expensive enough system to appreciate this or that aspect of audio.

    My own hi-fi experience goes back almost 15 years before the advent of CD and at one time I have a reasonably good analog setup. I gave up on because LPs were such a big pain in the butt from a usability point of view and that is still a big part of why I'm not interested in vinyl.

    We agree on this: it takes sizable investment to achieve of the putative advantages of vinyl. I rule it out on that score too: I simply have much better uses for my limited funds than to buy an expensive analog kit.

    Finally I'm mainly a classical music listener. The availability of new classical on LP is essentially nil, and I'm not interest rumaging yard sales for the odd, scratchy, disgustingly dirty, old LP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
    OUH ARRRR Scrooge.

    Own up Feanor. You've probably never even heard a good analogue rig. If you think the record player you have is capable of reproducing analogue in its full glory - think again. I have a setup sufficiently capable of extracting very good performance from both digital media and vinyl. I can tell you categorically that certain aspects of vinyl easily trounce any digital media you care to mention. Homogenization is an area where vinyl so clearly excels over cd. There is greater seperation and air around instruments. The sound blooms as it does in real life. There is much more natural definition without any artificial edginess. Trouble is, you've never heard a good vinyl reproduction system, so I think you should reserve your criticism until such time as you have.
    We seem to have gone off topic a bit here, but what the heck!

    O'Shag, I believe my analogue system is pretty good (feel free to comment by looking at the spec below, you may disagree), but I have to say that ticks and pops which are inherent in the medium are partly what spoils it for me. After getting used to the virtual background silence of CD which allows me to listen to the music without dirtaction by the offending noise of vinyl, I am finding myself enjoying the cd more. The ticks and pops become rather like someone eating pocorn behind me when I am trying to enjoy a good film at the cinema!

    Also, I don't believe it is as clear cut as one medium being better than the other. Having replaced some of my vinyl with CD's, I have found merits and drawbacks with both. I depends purely on the pressings. Some CD's I have bought quite definately sound better in terms of clarity, soundstage and overall presentation than the vinyl pressings and there are examples where the reverse is true. No matter how good your analogue or digital system is, it can only be as good as the recording and pressing you are playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Adams
    We seem to have gone off topic a bit here, but what the heck!

    O'Shag, I believe my analogue system is pretty good (feel free to comment by looking at the spec below, you may disagree), but I have to say that ticks and pops which are inherent in the medium are partly what spoils it for me. After getting used to the virtual background silence of CD which allows me to listen to the music without dirtaction by the offending noise of vinyl, I am finding myself enjoying the cd more. The ticks and pops become rather like someone eating pocorn behind me when I am trying to enjoy a good film at the cinema!

    Also, I don't believe it is as clear cut as one medium being better than the other. Having replaced some of my vinyl with CD's, I have found merits and drawbacks with both. I depends purely on the pressings. Some CD's I have bought quite definately sound better in terms of clarity, soundstage and overall presentation than the vinyl pressings and there are examples where the reverse is true. No matter how good your analogue or digital system is, it can only be as good as the recording and pressing you are playing.
    Les, forgive me, I don't mean to condescend in the least.

    Yes, clicks and pops, but not in well cared for or worn out records. Most of my records are silent. There's no doubt that vinyl is a much more finicky medium than CD. The potential for extraordinary performance is not so readily accessed, but in its highest form, analogue decimates CD. I know it because I've heard it. I wouldn't be so stupid to say it otherwise and I owe no special allegiance to vinyl. I won't harp on about it anyway. I only responded to Feanor as I did because his initial response (which he later modified) to what I said (in all friendliness) was rude and uncalled for. I am too experienced in Hi-Fi to talk humbug for a start.

    What I don't understand, is that I've always been polite to Feanor and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor
    Quite right, I've never listened to a $10k vinyl rig at any length. Bully for you that you have such a rig. Lacking in objectivity as I might be, it pisses me off to be told by audio snobs and braggarts that I'm ignorant because I don't have an expensive enough system to appreciate this or that aspect of audio.

    My own hi-fi experience goes back almost 15 years before the advent of CD and at one time I have a reasonably good analog setup. I gave up on because LPs were such a big pain in the butt from a usability point of view and that is still a big part of why I'm not interested in vinyl.

    We agree on this: it takes sizable investment to achieve of the putative advantages of vinyl. I rule it out on that score too: I simply have much better uses for my limited funds than to buy an expensive analog kit.

    Finally I'm mainly a classical music listener. The availability of new classical on LP is essentially nil, and I'm not interest rumaging yard sales for the odd, scratchy, disgustingly dirty, old LP.
    Cantankerous old git, just because I have some decent audio equipment, I'm a braggart and audio snob? Just how little do you have to have in order to not be an audio snob?

    I've always shown you the utmost respect and tried to be friendly - always. I have NEVER been condescending to anyone on this site. But your attitude is for shyte. The inital response you gave was agressive and disrespectful -FOR WHAT REASON!! How have I offended you in the past?? THAT is why I responded as I did. Because I will not put up will foggy old gits that get mad for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
    Cantankerous old git, just because I have some decent audio equipment, I'm a braggart and audio snob? Just how little do you have to have in order to not be an audio snob?

    I've always shown you the utmost respect and tried to be friendly - always. I have NEVER been condescending to anyone on this site. But your attitude is for shyte. The inital response you gave was agressive and disrespectful -FOR WHAT REASON!! How have I offended you in the past?? THAT is why I responded as I did. Because I will not put up will foggy old gits that get mad for nothing.
    the thing is, that after the inital honeymoon with CD was over , vinyl types started appearing that claimed that vinyl was superiour to CD, a claim that is patently rediculous.
    Recording engineers, experts, professionals of all types proclaim the inherent
    superiority of CD and still you hear from "audiophile" types that think they have discovered something "new".
    What you dont understand is that in 1975, seven years before the advent of CD, I was
    listening to records, on Duals, gerards, you name it.
    I currently have two turntables, one from the early eighties and one from the mid eighties,
    both technics, one direct drive, one belt.
    There is no reason these cant play a record as well as a new 5,000 rig, playing a record , despite what the marketing dept of whatever fancy rig you bought will tell you, is
    rather straightfoward.
    Your fancy rig works pretty much the same way as my two decade old platter, which pretty much works the same as a platter from the fifties.
    CD is better, SACD is even BETTER, and while I still enjoy my albums, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEDIUM IS LIMITED.
    I think that if analog types want to invest thousands in a obsolete medium with no future,
    then more power to em, and to the sharks that will sell them overpriced toys
    that wont outperform a twenty year old player
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    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
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    I've always shown you the utmost respect and tried to be friendly - always. I have NEVER been condescending to anyone on this site. But your attitude is for shyte. The inital response you gave was agressive and disrespectful -FOR WHAT REASON!! ....
    First let me say I accept that it wasn't your intention to be condescending. But it's all the other guy's perception: we can say things innocently that are misperceived by others. Sometimes candor must be tempered with sensitivity. I ought to know; I've been guilty of excessive candor too often over the years with regrettable consequences.

    As for my original "humbug" remark, well maybe that was an instance of excessive candor too: sorry about that. As to why, because it is my opinion based on 35 years of audio experience. Hence I found your assertion that I don't know what I'm talking about because my equipment isn't good enough, to be offensive. Here's a clue: audiophiles with (relatively) modest systems really hate this line of argument; sometimes there's a grain of truth, more often it's just attempt by the audiophile snob to put his opinions beyond the criticism of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    the thing is, that after the inital honeymoon with CD was over , vinyl types started appearing that claimed that vinyl was superiour to CD, a claim that is patently rediculous.
    Recording engineers, experts, professionals of all types proclaim the inherent
    superiority of CD and still you hear from "audiophile" types that think they have discovered something "new".
    What you dont understand is that in 1975, seven years before the advent of CD, I was
    listening to records, on Duals, gerards, you name it.
    I currently have two turntables, one from the early eighties and one from the mid eighties,
    both technics, one direct drive, one belt.
    There is no reason these cant play a record as well as a new 5,000 rig, playing a record , despite what the marketing dept of whatever fancy rig you bought will tell you, is
    rather straightfoward.
    Your fancy rig works pretty much the same way as my two decade old platter, which pretty much works the same as a platter from the fifties.
    CD is better, SACD is even BETTER, and while I still enjoy my albums, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEDIUM IS LIMITED.
    I think that if analog types want to invest thousands in a obsolete medium with no future,
    then more power to em, and to the sharks that will sell them overpriced toys
    that wont outperform a twenty year old player
    C'mon PixelTwit - Vinyl is totally and utterly a mechanical medium. The signal produced from todays MC cartridges is minute. Noises which you may not perceive are easily picked up by the system and translate into distortion. The rig and the phonstage is critical. Unlike digital media, where a crappy player can produce ok results, a crappy record player will just make horrible noise. Have you ever heard a good modern-day vinyl reproduction system, or are you just saying that all vinyl rigs sound the same because its somehow intimidating to consider that it may not be the case?

    Why did I ever stick up for you? Sir Terrence is right, you are a moron of the highest order. Jeez, morons are starting to come out of the woodwork around here..
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    As far as I'm concerned, you owe me an apology Feanor, because you levelled comments at me that were desrespectful and undeserved without any provocation. I would have expected that from PixelThis who is obviously talking out his arse inthis case, but not from you. But I couldn't care less if you give an apology or not. Until then, I will continue to consider you a cantakerous old git and will offer no further response to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
    As far as I'm concerned, you owe me an apology Feanor, because you levelled comments at me that were desrespectful and undeserved without any provocation. I would have expected that from PixelThis who is obviously talking out his arse inthis case, but not from you. But I couldn't care less if you give an apology or not. Until then, I will continue to consider you a cantakerous old git and will offer no further response to you.
    Yes, of course I'm a cantankerous old git. But you've had all the apology you're going to get from me. Recall I did apologize for my "humbug" remark. Other than that, I explained why your subsequent comments were offensive to me. Apparently the explanation when over your head. I'd say it's you who owes me and the other members an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
    C'mon PixelTwit - Vinyl is totally and utterly a mechanical medium. The signal produced from todays MC cartridges is minute. Noises which you may not perceive are easily picked up by the system and translate into distortion. The rig and the phonstage is critical. Unlike digital media, where a crappy player can produce ok results, a crappy record player will just make horrible noise. Have you ever heard a good modern-day vinyl reproduction system, or are you just saying that all vinyl rigs sound the same because its somehow intimidating to consider that it may not be the case?

    Why did I ever stick up for you? Sir Terrence is right, you are a moron of the highest order. Jeez, morons are starting to come out of the woodwork around here..

    YOU STOOD UP FOR ME because you knew I was right, like I'm right now.
    Vinyl is a "mechanical" medium. Whats your point?
    And theres that buzzphrase again, "a modern reproduction system"
    Well, what is so amazing about this "modern" reproduction system?
    You know why turntables last so long? Because good ones are built really well,
    and materials science hasnt advanced that much.
    "Modern" record players have been improved, but the improvements have been incremental, at best, the rest is purely marketing.
    Its the old law of diminishing returns rearing its ugly head again.
    Buy yourself a music hall with a preinstalled cart, to increase its performance
    by even 20% is going to cost thousands, and a german shepard would be hard pressed to tell the difference.
    Your problem is that you bought the hype about a "modern" reproduction system,
    I was 25 years when CD was introduced, what do you think I listened to before then?
    None of the "modern" reproduction "systems" are much different than the "old"
    reproduction systems.
    The ball bearings, belts, servo controls, sure a "modern" player looks nice, and I bet it sounds really great, but I bet you would be hard pressed to pick one outta a lineup blindfolded.
    I have seen it all, a turntable that used a friggin laser for a stylist, linear tracking,
    "snakearm" and straightarm, you name it (my Pioneer snakearm was very nice, BTW)
    and marketing flapdoodle doesnt impress me too much.
    There was a thing going around in the eighties called an "airplane", actually it was a ponzi
    get rich scheme, basically a chain letter.
    Doesnt matter if it was called a "airplane"
    And the marketing dept might call it a "modern" reproduction system, its still
    a flippin turntable, and yes I have seen them, and several hundred more just like it, and have owned dozens
    So dont tell the grizzled war vet that he doesnt know how to dodge a bullet, okay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by O'Shag
    Les, forgive me, I don't mean to condescend in the least.

    Yes, clicks and pops, but not in well cared for or worn out records. Most of my records are silent. There's no doubt that vinyl is a much more finicky medium than CD. The potential for extraordinary performance is not so readily accessed, but in its highest form, analogue decimates CD. I know it because I've heard it. I wouldn't be so stupid to say it otherwise and I owe no special allegiance to vinyl. I won't harp on about it anyway. I only responded to Feanor as I did because his initial response (which he later modified) to what I said (in all friendliness) was rude and uncalled for. I am too experienced in Hi-Fi to talk humbug for a start.

    What I don't understand, is that I've always been polite to Feanor and others.
    Ok, I agree to a point about vinyl, except that even well cared for records still mysteriously pick up ticks and pops. The 180g seem less prone to this for some reason. I do look after my records meticulously. Most of the records I sold recently were in near mint condition, even under bright light they had only minor swirls where they had been taken in and out of the sleeve and played like new. But there is always some noise and I guess I have got used to the absolute silence of digital media as I certainly don't recall being unduly bothered by background noise on vinyly when it was all I played.

    As far as the personal matters on here are concerned, it is a great shame because I started a topic that I thought would generate some interesting comment about THE VALUE OF RECORDS and was curious to know who would and who would not sell their vinyl and replace it with CD if they found they could make some money. It was not intended to be a vinyl vs cd debate although I guess that is partly relevent.

    I was certainly not expecting to come here and read all this name calling and agression. If I knew my posting this, or any other topic on here would result in unpleasantness I wouldn't have bothered. In fact it makes me feel like not bothering again. Who started it and who said what doesn't matter, but if there is a problem maybe there could be a less pulic way to sort it out and leave these pages to reasoned discussion and opinion as intended. Of course there are going to be differences of opinoin, it would be boring if there were not, but can we at least stay on topic and not get so personal, after all, its only hi-fi, nobody's life or reputation depends on it. Life is too short.

    Can we get back to the topic now please?
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    In keeping on topic, I have to admit that, when I moved from New York to Denver in 1993, I threw out at least 300 records. Most were albums I hadn't played in many years, and with music I didn't much care for anymore. The "dump" included all of my mono LP's, and I don't regret getting rid of most of them (I still rue the day I threw out my one and only Peggy Lee album, with her classic, "Fever").

    Most of those discarded were all of the albums I had on the Command label, most of those on the London Phase 4 label, all of my Ventures albums and all of those by Martin Denny. I learned years later that the Martin Denny albums were fetchng somewhere around $40 each, and in that respect, I wish I had kept them.

    I still have over 800 LP's and play some of them some of the time. Would I sell them? Perhaps, but only if the album turned out to be worth a lot of money.

    The topic, and the "LP vs. CD" argument are linked in that the decision to keep records is likely tied into whether or not one prefers the sound of a record to that of a duplicate CD. I'm one of those who prefers the CD, especially now that I have a really superb CD player (the Marantz SA-8001) that has virtually eliminated all the negatives that people once attributed to CD's (harshness, steely-sounding strings, etc.)

    Another member, JohnMichael, said that my turntable would probably get dusty now that I've purchased this SACD player, and he's right - I haven't played a record since I got it. So, the temptation to sell off some of my record collection is even greater now.

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    It's funny I came across this tread. I argue ( in fun ) with a friend about turntables all the time. Me having a Yamaha p-550 and him having some high end what ya call it that cost 5000 or so. Then we argue about albums and CD's. Our biggest argument is that he can hear more sounds then I can on the same audio source. Everyones hearing starts to degrad at 40. Audio Geeks, which I call them say they can hear everything better then us poor smucks that will never have or even if I did have the money a 40,000 dollar system just to listen to vinyl.

    I'm sorry, but really think if you put a well kept album on my system it will sound pretty darn close to what the artist meant it to sound like. Pops are albums that were not kept very well. Our of the 300 albums I have I would have to say 250 of them are pop free and they are mostly all from the 70,s and 80's.

    I have to say I have always been anal about my albums in keeping them clean and stored,

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    Your fancy rig works pretty much the same way as my two decade old platter, which pretty much works the same as a platter from the fifties.
    CD is better, SACD is even BETTER, and while I still enjoy my albums, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEDIUM IS LIMITED.
    I think that if analog types want to invest thousands in a obsolete medium with no future,
    then more power to em, and to the sharks that will sell them overpriced toys
    that wont outperform a twenty year old player

    yeah, I know...

    but your cd player also works on that very same way. based on a 30 year old technology, which was based on even older technology.

    same for your amp, speakers, ...

    and if you say that the 'overpriced toys' won't outperform the twenty year old player, you're actually also saying that the 'overpriced cd/sacd player', won't outperform the $20 crap from circuit city.

    and yes, technically seen, vinyl is inferior to CD, but I've learned not only to trust the specs. I believe my ears, and my ears currently say that vinyl sounds better. No wait, technically seen 'better' isn't the right word, 'nicer', or 'more pleasant', 'more pleasing', 'more enjoyable'...

    and isn't 'enjoying the music' what we strive for? well, in that case, I pick vinyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjp735i
    It's funny I came across this tread. I argue ( in fun ) with a friend about turntables all the time. Me having a Yamaha p-550 and him having some high end what ya call it that cost 5000 or so. Then we argue about albums and CD's. Our biggest argument is that he can hear more sounds then I can on the same audio source. Everyones hearing starts to degrad at 40. Audio Geeks, which I call them say they can hear everything better then us poor smucks that will never have or even if I did have the money a 40,000 dollar system just to listen to vinyl.

    I'm sorry, but really think if you put a well kept album on my system it will sound pretty darn close to what the artist meant it to sound like. Pops are albums that were not kept very well. Our of the 300 albums I have I would have to say 250 of them are pop free and they are mostly all from the 70,s and 80's.

    I have to say I have always been anal about my albums in keeping them clean and stored,

    Just my 2 cents.

    jjp

    TRUE ENOUGH, I hate to see decent vinyl abused from laziness.
    Whatever albums I have left are not immaculate, but are quite clean, which is key to decent record playback.
    Which is why they are a pain to put up with sometimes
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    Quote Originally Posted by basite
    yeah, I know...

    but your cd player also works on that very same way. based on a 30 year old technology, which was based on even older technology.

    same for your amp, speakers, ...

    and if you say that the 'overpriced toys' won't outperform the twenty year old player, you're actually also saying that the 'overpriced cd/sacd player', won't outperform the $20 crap from circuit city.

    and yes, technically seen, vinyl is inferior to CD, but I've learned not only to trust the specs. I believe my ears, and my ears currently say that vinyl sounds better. No wait, technically seen 'better' isn't the right word, 'nicer', or 'more pleasant', 'more pleasing', 'more enjoyable'...

    and isn't 'enjoying the music' what we strive for? well, in that case, I pick vinyl.

    Keep them spinning,
    Bert.

    Well, good for you, but you are wrong on a few counts.
    CD tech has advanced quite a bit, not just the player but the CD.
    Anyone who listened to early CD will tell you that.
    AND WHILE "20$ crap" from CC will sound half decent hooked up to decent gear,
    its totally dependent on your setup, if you use high end dacs on a prepro or the like then
    your CD player just has to spin the disc and read the ones and zeros.
    This is why, if you have great dacs in your processor, an expensive CD player is a waste
    of money, get a five disc changer, all you need is a transport, get one that saves trips to the player to change the disc
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