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    24: Day Six Discussion Thread!

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    O h M y F r i g g i n G a w d ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

    I thought the much ballyhooed SHOCKING ENDING was going to be Jack killing Curtis. That one got telegraphed from the outset (why oh why did they have to give it away by identifying Roger Cross as a "GUEST STAR"?). Even though I was not totally surprised, seeing Jack forced to kill a CTU agent who had previously helped keep him alive on so many past occasions still hit pretty hard. But, I absolutely was not prepared for L.A. getting NUKED as the clock struck 10!

    Man, talk about a rough way to start the day! Jack just got dumped out of a transport plane from China, sold out by the President, tortured by revenge-obsessed terrorists, saved a teenage hostage, cut a deal with a supposedly repentant terrorist mastermind just seconds before his safehouse got blown up by a military missile, kicked a suicide bomber out the window of a moving subway car in a nick of time.

    So, what does he get for all his trouble? He gets back an old job that he doesn't want, AND as part of that job he has to kill a guy that he worked with on countless dangerous missions. Oh, and a nuke just detonated in his hometown. Usually, I'm just finishing up with my e-mail by 10am!

    And now there are four more of these suitcase nukes out there. Should be an interesting ride. In past years, the nuke story has usually been a ruse for taking the plot in a totally different direction (like in Day Two when the nuke they were chasing got detonated halfway through the season).

    All in all, the first four episodes did not weave quite as tight a plot web as last year (I would say that last season's opening salvo was the best one to date), but they still know how to ratchet up the tension and create impactful moments at just the right time. (Speaking of which, they're playing with the real time plot device even more loosely this season -- c'mon, it does NOT take 10 minutes to get from Newhall to Granada Hills!)

    Looks like 24 will fly fast without a safety net this season. It's impactful because they deliberately tried to bring the events closer to everyday reality, but the show is also riding precariously close to becoming overly cartoonish (which they did last year as well, but still managed to hold the show together). I think they're trying to keep a lot of the situations more reflective of current events, but the dialog seems more stunted than usual this season.

    It also seems that they're trying to keep the audience guessing, and immersing the situations into all sorts of grey areas. For example, Ahmed's dad getting taken into custody by the FBI, when the dad is innocent and the teenage son is the actual terrorist. Or having the neighbor try to kill Ahmed in a bigoted rage, when in actuality Ahmed was far more dangerous than the neighbor ever suspected. Or forcing Jack to choose between Curtis, a colleague who's had his back for years, and Assad, a known terrorist mastermind who they need to keep alive in order to save others. Or the simmering conflict between the President and his sister, and the potential situation developing at the detention facility. Or Jack backing off from torturing a terrorist, while Assad shows him some pointers on how to be a ruthless interrogator.

    In upcoming episodes, I can see Assad turning into much more of an ambiguous character. And of course, there are any number of moles that could emerge at CTU and the White House. In the end, I have a feeling that the Islamic terrorists will turn out to be a ruse -- something more conspiratorial going on. That White House Chief of Staff is way too obvious a mole, and having him involved in these terrorist plots at the behest of other shadowy figures behind the scenes would duplicate way too much from last season. Karen Hayes would be more of a likely mole IMO.

    With Jack, he's been teetering as the tormented shell of a man. It should be interesting to see how he reacts to the nuke going off. Up to this point, he's been tentative, but the preview seems to indicate that he's about to go completely off the deep end and employ even more ruthless tactics than ever.

    From the previews, it looks like those "behind the scenes" dudes from last season will get the first whiff of Jack's bad attitude. We'll see!

    Oh, and anyone notice some of the interesting casting decisions?

    First and foremost, Kal Penn as a terrorist?! C'mon he's KUMAR!!!! Stoners with the munchies don't get mixed up with guys shopping around for a-bomb parts! Already, I'm reading comments on the net like, "Dude, Ahmed got nuked on the way to White Castle!" Sad that he's already dyed!

    Also, Alexander Siddig as a terrorist mastermind?! Anyone remember him as Doctor Bashir from DS9? It just doesn't add up!

    People are already noting Peter MacNichol getting typecast by Numb3rs and Ally McBeal, but I still can't get over the poor man's keymaster (or was it gatekeeper?) from Ghostbusters II now playing the White House Chief of Staff.

    You also got Regina King (as Sandra Palmer) and Harry Lennix (as Walid Al-Rezani, the head of the IAA) together again. She played the wife, and he played the manager on Ray.

    Or how about Megan Gallagher (as the mother that Ahmed took hostage) and Mary Lynn Rajskub (Chloe), two alums from the Larry Sanders Show?

    Apparently, we got more on the way with Rick Schroder and James Cromwell due to join the cast sometime this season.
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    It was alright....but

    I don't want to say that 24 "jumped the shark" but I am not sure I like this season so far.

    Too many plotlines, (just for the sake of plotlines).

    1. The whole Cloe and 2 dudes love problems top the list.

    2. Fahied (sp) the terrorist wanted the "suitcase" nuke dude released from jail so he could set up the bomb. Said released terrorist gets the nuke up and running, then dies in the subsequent explosion. So how in the hell is Fahied going to detonate the remaining 4 bombs. Why introduce the released baddy just to kill him if you don't even need him?

    3. Minor quibble here. When the Sgt kills the bus driver, and releases the bomb master, it seems well planned in advance. Why then didn't they provide him with some fresh clothes rather than cut him loose in LA in his ORANGE JUMP SUIT? And how 5 minutes later did he arrive at the safe house IN STREET CLOTHES?

    4. PLEASE PLEASE drop the premise of the "Real Time" BS. If any season needs more time, its this one. Killing your best friend, and having a nuke blow up will generally mess up your day. Plus, I can only imagine traffic in LA after a nuke goes off. Will be interesting to see how they handle the mass exodus. For gods sake, we couldn't even evcuate NO after a hurricane for days.

    5. The President/Sister Lawyer/Civil Rights Debate. Comon, gonna solve this one in 1 day? Please. I thought she was escorted home, barred from her husband/Arab and yet 5 minutes later she is having a private meeting where he confides that some Arabs were talking to each other about something important. AGGGGGHHHHH

    As more come up I will post them.

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    Hey! I've finally caught up to all you 24 nutbars!

    Okay - my take -
    When did Palmer(s) get a sister? If Jack has a twin brother, I'm outta here.

    Other than that - I loved the start of this season compared to Season 5.

    All the plot holes and minor annoyances are a necessary evil to exercise the concept of real time, and to make every episode a fast paced, thrill-ride. You either like it or you don't. But after 5 seasons, you've probably made up your mind.

    Curtis biting the big one was a bit of surprise - I'm waiting for Chloe to get nuked next...that'll be the tear-jerker of the season.

    I really like the casting so far - last year (my bachelor party weekend actually) I saw that Shaun Majumder dude do a comedy routine at a bar in Montreal (the scientist dude who fixed the nuke)...that guy is hilarious. Didn't know he was an actor too.

    Mondays are gonna be tough, with Prison Break, Heroes, and 24...thank goodness for PVR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Hey! I've finally caught up to all you 24 nutbars!

    Okay - my take -
    When did Palmer(s) get a sister? If Jack has a twin brother, I'm outta here.

    Other than that - I loved the start of this season compared to Season 5.

    All the plot holes and minor annoyances are a necessary evil to exercise the concept of real time, and to make every episode a fast paced, thrill-ride. You either like it or you don't. But after 5 seasons, you've probably made up your mind.

    Curtis biting the big one was a bit of surprise - I'm waiting for Chloe to get nuked next...that'll be the tear-jerker of the season.
    Actually, I'll disagree with you on some points. I have set aside my annoyance with the whole "Real Time" thing. At this point its a lost cause, and I can work around it.

    Some of the other points are not so minor. The issue of the nuke tech dude will be harder to get around. Why go to all the trouble of having Fahied bomb around the country to force the Pres to release him. Then turn around to have him killed shortly thereafter. If Fahied needed him to make the bombs work, what now? It was a silly plotline that now leaves more problems than it answered. Its not like world class nuke techs are released from prision everyday.

    And the plotline with Chloe and the 2 dudes? That was just stupid. The acting was stilted, and the dialog was just lame. I gotta belive that if these 2 idiots are quibbling over a movie date vs protecting the free world then 24 "jumped the shark".

    The escapee with the prision garb was a minor quibble. But it just bothered me, thats all.

    I'm still watching, and am enjoying the show. But together some of these issuse make it distracting to watch.

    As far as Curtis going, saw that coming, but not quite as quickly. Obviously he had issues. The writing was a bit ham-fisted but the action was good. I liked the part after Jack barfed on lawn, that he got a call from CTU. How thoughtful they offered a ride to headquarters. Apparently no de-briefing is needed on the downing of one of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    I don't want to say that 24 "jumped the shark" but I am not sure I like this season so far.

    Too many plotlines, (just for the sake of plotlines).
    It seems like an annual ritual now to see how close 24 gets to finally jumping the shark. They came very close towards the end of last season, but then again, you could say that for every season dating back to the Teri-gets-amnesia story from Day One, or the Kim-gets-chased-by-the-mountain-lion story from Day Two.

    I agree that there are too many plotlines. Last season started with a much more streamlined narrative, and I was hoping that they would return to the much tighter narrative that the series had during Day One (well, the first half at least), which focused more on personal peril than the super sized WMD stories that have followed since then.

    I read that the producers started filming this season with fewer stories mapped out in advance (last season, IIRC they had 8 scripts completed already when they started shooting), so the writing will be a lot more improvisational. And from what I've seen so far, they are definitely going with a more chaotic story structure this time around, so if any season has the potential of jumping the shark, this would be it. But, in years past, they've managed to hold things together just enough to keep the audience from totally jumping ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    1. The whole Cloe and 2 dudes love problems top the list.
    I like Morris O'Brian and am glad to see him back this season. Milo though was never one of my favorite characters. He had some good exchanges with Chloe back in Day Four. But, it's pretty lame to set him up as someone who actually snagged a couple of dates with Chloe, unlike Morris who I can easily see as Chloe's type. I know the producers like to throw little nuggets out to long-time fans by bringing back minor characters from previous seasons (like when Mandy the terrorist bi-babe makes her bi-annual appearances), but Milo would not have been my first choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    2. Fahied (sp) the terrorist wanted the "suitcase" nuke dude released from jail so he could set up the bomb. Said released terrorist gets the nuke up and running, then dies in the subsequent explosion. So how in the hell is Fahied going to detonate the remaining 4 bombs. Why introduce the released baddy just to kill him if you don't even need him?
    Good point, hadn't thought about that one. I'm pretty sure that Fayed has got some other nuclear engineers on his payroll. Guess we'll have to keep watching to see how the writers bust out of yet another logical corner that they've painted themselves into.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    3. Minor quibble here. When the Sgt kills the bus driver, and releases the bomb master, it seems well planned in advance. Why then didn't they provide him with some fresh clothes rather than cut him loose in LA in his ORANGE JUMP SUIT? And how 5 minutes later did he arrive at the safe house IN STREET CLOTHES?
    I think a bigger question is how did Jack get shaved, showered, and groomed for action in less than 11 minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    4. PLEASE PLEASE drop the premise of the "Real Time" BS. If any season needs more time, its this one. Killing your best friend, and having a nuke blow up will generally mess up your day. Plus, I can only imagine traffic in LA after a nuke goes off. Will be interesting to see how they handle the mass exodus. For gods sake, we couldn't even evcuate NO after a hurricane for days.
    Dumping the real time premise ain't gonna happen, so might as well grit them teeth and keep watching. Personally, I think the real time premise is the star of the show, and is bigger than any of the characters. Jack can be killed, and 24 can still go on, but kill the real time premise, and you no longer have 24. You might still have a serial drama, and even a very good serial drama, and maybe even a serial drama that's better than 24, but you won't have 24.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    5. The President/Sister Lawyer/Civil Rights Debate. Comon, gonna solve this one in 1 day? Please. I thought she was escorted home, barred from her husband/Arab and yet 5 minutes later she is having a private meeting where he confides that some Arabs were talking to each other about something important. AGGGGGHHHHH

    As more come up I will post them.
    This is why I thought the dialog was stunted. They're trying to set up all of the murky gray areas that these detention facilities (among other touchy issues) create. In a way, it seems rushed, but I think the producers are trying to cover their back sides, so that viewers don't view the show as some kind of one-sided political agenda. Hard to walk that line gracefully when the situations they depict mirror current events more closely than previous seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Hey! I've finally caught up to all you 24 nutbars!

    Okay - my take -
    When did Palmer(s) get a sister? If Jack has a twin brother, I'm outta here.
    Jack doesn't have a twin brother (well, as far as we know), but apparently we'll get to know his estranged dad this season.

    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    All the plot holes and minor annoyances are a necessary evil to exercise the concept of real time, and to make every episode a fast paced, thrill-ride. You either like it or you don't. But after 5 seasons, you've probably made up your mind.
    The real time aspect creates a dynamic that other shows don't have, but it also sets up a lot of issues with how to move the storyline along without the luxury of cutting ahead a few minutes or an hour here and there. As a native Angeleno, I've always laughed at the time component because almost any trip across town you take in L.A. will keep you in the car for at least 40 minutes! This season, they're really pushing things with getting between Downtown and the San Fernando Valley and the Santa Clarita Valley, and whatever unknown military base got built in the middle of L.A. But, I take the good with the bad, and have pretty much resigned to whatever time series lapses the writers throw out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Curtis biting the big one was a bit of surprise - I'm waiting for Chloe to get nuked next...that'll be the tear-jerker of the season.
    NOOOOOO!!!!! Them's blasphemous words!!!!! If the writers want to kill Chloe, they must answer to me first! They can do whatever they want to Jack, but Chloe's off limits!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    I really like the casting so far - last year (my bachelor party weekend actually) I saw that Shaun Majumder dude do a comedy routine at a bar in Montreal (the scientist dude who fixed the nuke)...that guy is hilarious. Didn't know he was an actor too.

    Mondays are gonna be tough, with Prison Break, Heroes, and 24...thank goodness for PVR's.
    I saw some news report about a Muslim-themed comedy series in Canada called Little Mosque On The Prairie, and noticed that Carlo Rota (who plays Chloe's ex-husband) was on that show (apparently, the show has garnered big ratings in Canada and there's discussion about how to bring it to the U.S.). Lot of interesting casting all around, considering that Kal Penn, Mary Lynn Rajskub, Megan Gallagher, and Peter MacNichol all come from comedy backgrounds. I know that Rajskub (Chloe) still does stand-up and improv sketch comedy.
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    Woo, come on 40min in LA......? more like 1 hour during the daylight hours. And you notice they never show Jack and his peeps on the fwy. And there is no way you could get around that fast on the streets.

    And seeing Kal Penn in a serious role is hard after seeing him in the White Castle movie. I can only see him getting high. I was just waiting for him to tell that kid he had a gun on to reach in his pocket and pull out a bag of weed. So he could deal with the pain. lol lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by recoveryone
    Woo, come on 40min in LA......? more like 1 hour during the daylight hours. And you notice they never show Jack and his peeps on the fwy. And there is no way you could get around that fast on the streets.
    Ever heard of that term "kojak" in reference to grabbing a parking spot right by a front entrance like Telly Savalas used to do every week in the old 70s TV series? Pretty much the same deal with Bauer on the L.A. freeways!

    Quote Originally Posted by recoveryone
    And seeing Kal Penn in a serious role is hard after seeing him in the White Castle movie. I can only see him getting high. I was just waiting for him to tell that kid he had a gun on to reach in his pocket and pull out a bag of weed. So he could deal with the pain. lol lol
    I was thinking the same thing! Dude needs to lighten up and light up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    NOOOOOO!!!!! Them's blasphemous words!!!!! If the writers want to kill Chloe, they must answer to me first! They can do whatever they want to Jack, but Chloe's off limits!!!!
    Funny how she sort of stole the babe-role from Kim..

    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    I saw some news report about a Muslim-themed comedy series in Canada called Little Mosque On The Prairie, and noticed that Carlo Rota (who plays Chloe's ex-husband) was on that show (apparently, the show has garnered big ratings in Canada and there's discussion about how to bring it to the U.S.). Lot of interesting casting all around, considering that Kal Penn, Mary Lynn Rajskub, Megan Gallagher, and Peter MacNichol all come from comedy backgrounds. I know that Rajskub (Chloe) still does stand-up and improv sketch comedy.
    OMG - I think it's only 2 shows into the series, but Little Mosque on the Prairie is hilarious. I think it'd be a hit on Showtime or some cable channel. It plays up every western world stereo-type/phobia you can imagine - in a not-too-serious, satirical way. I guess about once every 5 years Canada produces an international hit. We don't get many of them back in the US - Degrassi was the only one I could recall growing up watching.
    The other big home grown hit here is "Trailer Park Boys"...that's something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Funny how she sort of stole the babe-role from Kim..
    Well, I always thought that Mandy the Mercenary was more of the resident 24 babe, but she only dropped by the party every couple of years until Jack dropped her permanently.

    Chloe's upgraded her look this season, but her babeness is still very nicely understated (I can easily see her as the mousy computer nerd by day and siren nympho by night -- remember that tattoo that Chloe flashed in last season's premiere?). Chloe's just a great character. Problem w/ 24 this season is that they've killed off so many of their best supporting characters that it's hard to develop the new ones.

    But, among the new characters I think the babe-of-the-moment is Nadia (the Arab-speaking agent at CTU).

    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    OMG - I think it's only 2 shows into the series, but Little Mosque on the Prairie is hilarious. I think it'd be a hit on Showtime or some cable channel. It plays up every western world stereo-type/phobia you can imagine - in a not-too-serious, satirical way. I guess about once every 5 years Canada produces an international hit. We don't get many of them back in the US - Degrassi was the only one I could recall growing up watching.
    The other big home grown hit here is "Trailer Park Boys"...that's something else.
    Canadian TV, eh? Growing up for me, it started (and pretty much ended) with SCTV. Like the original SNL cast, SCTV had an embarassment of riches with their great ensemble.

    From that report on Little Mosque On The Prairie, it seems that the show might migrate south of the border as an American remake. Would be a shame if they went the remake route because I'm kinda curious about the original Canadian version, and I'm always wary of how an Americanized version might tinker with something that was fine the first time around. Think Iron Chef America !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    Canadian TV, eh? Growing up for me, it started (and pretty much ended) with SCTV. Like the original SNL cast, SCTV had an embarassment of riches with their great ensemble.

    From that report on Little Mosque On The Prairie, it seems that the show might migrate south of the border as an American remake. Would be a shame if they went the remake route because I'm kinda curious about the original Canadian version, and I'm always wary of how an Americanized version might tinker with something that was fine the first time around. Think Iron Chef America !
    I only got to enjoy SCTV in re-runs. Once every decade or so, a Canadian show penetrates the US market. In the 90's it was Kids in the Hall.
    From what I've seen, other than the two shows I've mentioned there really isn't very much Canadian programing other than political satire and late night shows worth watching, and those just wouldn't resonate with a US audience. Once every few years, a few very clever low budget shows do enjoy some success though.

    Back on topic - I had a debate with another 24 fan at the office centering around the threats each season has. Assassinations, nukes, and chemical warfare seem to be the only 3 threats used in 24 so far (though sometimes in combinations). We wondered how long until this becomes stale.

    Personally, I think there's only so many possible attacks a terrorist group would resort to anyway, and the most effective would be the aforementioned, so I don't think it should be a problem. It will be interesting to see how this season's nuclear dilemma plays out. I don't think it's the crisis as much as the people involved and sub-plots and turns along the way that make the show succeed. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Personally, I think there's only so many possible attacks a terrorist group would resort to anyway, and the most effective would be the aforementioned, so I don't think it should be a problem. It will be interesting to see how this season's nuclear dilemma plays out. I don't think it's the crisis as much as the people involved and sub-plots and turns along the way that make the show succeed. We'll see.
    Day 7 will involve a radical (arn't they all?) element of Quebec sneaking over the border, and causing all of the US to become a French Province. Jack will be forced to join a labor union, and farmers will begin to overturn carts full of potatoes to protest genetic engineering.

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    HOLY CRAP! Graham is Jack's BROTHER!!!!!

    Among all the plot twists that the writers have come up with, this is by far the least expected one I've seen to date! I knew from last week's previews that Graham was coming back, but the disclosure that he's Jack's brother is a brilliant plot twist.

    Now, I'll definitely have to rewatch Day Five! Would be very interesting now to see Graham pulling President Logan's strings and trying to have Jack taken out, knowing that the two of them are brothers. What an absolutely slimey bastard. Jack's already pissed at Graham, and he doesn't even know the half of what his brother has already done!

    Geez, talk about yin and yang!

    This sets up a very interesting dynamic with the father. Jack is the estranged son, whereas Graham seems like he's still tight with Daddy Bauer. I have a feeling that the old man won't be going into this family reunion with good intentions.

    With the family dynamic now in full bloom, Day Six could very well be a lot more interesting than just another WMD chase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    HOLY CRAP! Graham is Jack's BROTHER!!!!!

    Among all the plot twists that the writers have come up with, this is by far the least expected one I've seen to date! I knew from last week's previews that Graham was coming back, but the disclosure that he's Jack's brother is a brilliant plot twist.

    Now, I'll definitely have to rewatch Day Five! Would be very interesting now to see Graham pulling President Logan's strings and trying to have Jack taken out, knowing that the two of them are brothers. What an absolutely slimey bastard. Jack's already pissed at Graham, and he doesn't even know the half of what his brother has already done!

    Geez, talk about yin and yang!

    This sets up a very interesting dynamic with the father. Jack is the estranged son, whereas Graham seems like he's still tight with Daddy Bauer. I have a feeling that the old man won't be going into this family reunion with good intentions.

    With the family dynamic now in full bloom, Day Six could very well be a lot more interesting than just another WMD chase.
    Yeah, that was a bit of a surprise - That Graham's a slimy bastard. I guess if Palmer has a sister, Jack can have a brother.
    This adds a nice bet of drama to the show and keeps it from having to rehash old themes. And finally, a villain everyone can hate who could be Jack's equal....that's what every story needs!
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    I have to say I was more impressed with this episode than the first 4 hours. Things are tighting up, and making sense.

    I like how the handled the dead nuke engineer. I'll grant creative license how they will get another one in 19 hours.

    I think they should have titled this series "Everyone and their Brother"

    The only quibble I have left is the makeup. On paper, I am sure the writers thought it brilliant to give Jack a "bum" hand. However, its only the 5th hour, and the "scars" are becoming MUCH less pronouced and detailed. I watch on HD, and it is very apparent that the makeup artists, cant make the same look show to show.

    The back scars were enough, at least they won't be a distraction. With the hand its almost a bad joke.

    Also, havent figured out the Buchannan, and his Wife dynamic (the lady in the White House) Seems that they are married, or at least serious. Have to see how it plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    Yeah, that was a bit of a surprise - That Graham's a slimy bastard. I guess if Palmer has a sister, Jack can have a brother.
    This adds a nice bet of drama to the show and keeps it from having to rehash old themes. And finally, a villain everyone can hate who could be Jack's equal....that's what every story needs!
    Might even have two villians that are Jack's equal if the father turns out to be the "man behind the man behind the man." So many directions that the Philip Bauer character can go in, and I love that James Cromwell is playing the part. He's equally adept at playing good guys and villians, and I have a feeling that his character will keep the audience guessing for at least a few episodes.

    Like you, I was afraid that this season would turn into yet another nuke chase, but this whole family dynamic offers up countless directions in which the story can now go. Last season, Graham was a very mysterious character in that we knew nothing about him other than having a lot of leverage over President Logan and wanting Jack dead. I thought that 24 has worked very well in the past when the peril and threats were more at the personal level (the first half of Day One, and the first four hours of Day Five). This brings the story back to that level.

    I know that Logan and his (former?) wife are coming back in the middle of the day. With Graham back and more fully revealed as a character, I now see how Logan's return might fit into the current plot thread. Looks like this season will be a very interesting ride!

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    Also, havent figured out the Buchannan, and his Wife dynamic (the lady in the White House) Seems that they are married, or at least serious. Have to see how it plays out.
    They are married (or at least engaged) -- the camera zoomed in on their rings during the first hour. I think something's going to happen with them. I see Hayes as a potential mole (if you'll recall from Day Five, she was fairly easily manipulated), or uncovering stuff behind the scenes at the White House that puts her and/or Buchanan in peril. Bill and Chloe are probably the only two characters that Jack can count on (make that three if Secret Service Agent Pierce comes back). Everybody else is a potential turncoat.
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    OK, first and foremost, Wooch and Kex; when was the last time either of you had an eye exam? Chloe? A babe? You're joking, right? Nadia (the director under Buchanon), now there's a babe.




    Well, I think we all know one of the reasons Graham wants his brother dead: his wife has a thing for Jack. Can't wait to see the backstory on that one. Oh wait, that's the Lost thread. Never mind...

    How cool would it have been to get Donald Sutherland to play Jack's dad? Nothing against Cromwell, who's a mighty fine actor in his own right, but you have to admit that would have been pretty interesting. Besides, Sutherland does a great job of playing slimy characters. Next episode looks very interesting. It takes a lot of bad blood to torture your own brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    I love that James Cromwell is playing the part. He's equally adept at playing good guys and villians, and I have a feeling that his character will keep the audience guessing for at least a few episodes.
    Well at least he didn't have a part in ROBOCOP. Last season there were at least 2 actors from the film in it, both playing villians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspeed
    OK, first and foremost, Wooch and Kex; when was the last time either of you had an eye exam? Chloe? A babe? You're joking, right? Nadia (the director under Buchanon), now there's a babe.


    Well, like I said Chloe does it in a more understated way. There's more to a book than its cover (though I did note that Nadia's got a VERY nice cover!), and I suspect that there's a lot more to Chloe than just her nerdy CTU persona, since she's got this thing for tattoos and sleeping around with the other CTU techies. Besides, we don't know what she does on her days off ... maybe she's one of those types who gets invited to all those parties where the in-people hang out!



    Of course, if we want to stick with shallower persuasions (and since I'm a guy, I don't see anything wrong with that!), how 'bout them 24 writers giving us a snot-knockin' girlfight between Nadia the CTU Agent and Mandy the Mercenary? (Final word to the 24 writers: don't give me that "But, Mandy is dead" BS! You already brought Jack up from the dead on Day Two, so give us back our terrorist bi-babe!)



    Quote Originally Posted by topspeed
    How cool would it have been to get Donald Sutherland to play Jack's dad? Nothing against Cromwell, who's a mighty fine actor in his own right, but you have to admit that would have been pretty interesting. Besides, Sutherland does a great job of playing slimy characters. Next episode looks very interesting. It takes a lot of bad blood to torture your own brother!
    That would have been really cool. Sutherland is great at playing characters that just a little bit off-base. But, if Philip Bauer is some higher up honcho in the military-industry complex and could potentially swing anywhere from benevalent businessman/father figure to evil incarnate power broker, Cromwell's a great casting choice.

    I suspect that Graham is no one's fool, and could have some surprises in store for Jack. And if not for being tied to that chair and suffocating on that plastic bag, Graham actually has the upper hand on Jack because he knows the extent of his own treachery, while Jack presumably does not have a clue (yet).

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    Well at least he didn't have a part in ROBOCOP. Last season there were at least 2 actors from the film in it, both playing villians.
    Make that 3 actors if you include the Vice President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    Make that 3 actors if you include the Vice President.
    I remember Peter Weller, the guy from "That 70's Show" (Dick Jones from the movie I belive), and Jacks brother. I can't recall who the VP was last season. Who was the VP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    I remember Peter Weller, the guy from "That 70's Show" (Dick Jones from the movie I belive), and Jacks brother. I can't recall who the VP was last season. Who was the VP?
    That VP would be Ray Wise, he played another member of Boddicker's gang in Robocop.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0936403/

    As far as I can tell from IMDB, neither Kurtwood Smith (Boddicker, and the dad from That 70's Show) nor Ronny Cox (Dick Jones) have been on 24.
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    Speedy, I can't speak for Wooch, but when it comes to babes, let's just say Kex is an equal-opportunity employer...

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    And I'm still waiting to see if Graham is Jack's evil-twin brother....

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    Okay, one last thought - sorry for the multiple threads - my wife picked up on this right away - but didn't the exchange between Jack and Graham's son seem a little "forced". Almost like Jack was reflecting on something - she thinks Jack's the daddy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    That VP would be Ray Wise, he played another member of Boddicker's gang in Robocop.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0936403/

    As far as I can tell from IMDB, neither Kurtwood Smith (Boddicker, and the dad from That 70's Show) nor Ronny Cox (Dick Jones) have been on 24.
    Once again, your correct sir. For some reason I thought that Kurtwood had been on the show. Did a quick google for "Kurtwood Smith 24" and came up with:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurtwood_Smith

    There is a blurb about speculation that he WILL be in the 6th (current) season.

    Not sure what the fascination w/RoboCop and 24 writers are, but I'll BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!

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