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    Nail, head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    My guess as to Finch's clunkers:
    12, 13, 15.

    Finch?
    Yatch Dance(track 12), altho it's in my collection, doesn't do much for me. Shame you didn't use Down In The Cockpit instead. I've got an LP remix of that, while long, is pretty cool. Nothing against track 13, it's kinda pretty. 15? Eh. The one that bugs me is That's Really Super, Supergirl. Makes me wanna wash my ears out with soap.

    There. Happy, pappy?

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    Oh, yeah.

    You do have this disc, doncha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte
    You do have this disc, doncha?

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    Oh sure. I also have all the 12" vinyl releases of the rarities on that disc.

    I'll try and keep the intensity level up for you more in the future. Speedfreak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindGoneHaywire
    Punk rock: Wire's On Returning, 1977-1979...never heard much of this band, I remember when they were around in the 80s, they were kind of techno-ish, or electronic, anyway, having gone that sort of route. All I'd ever heard of them was 12XU, on the Burning Ambitions comp. This is the sh*t.
    "This is the sh*t". Is that good? It's so hard to keep up with the new expressions the kids are using these days. Is that like when they say "bad" they really mean good? If it is good, it makes me feel bad (the bad-bad, not the good-bad), that I've been dragging my feet on sending you a Wire comp. I checked the tracklist on "On Returning" and it's good, but of the 20 songs on my Wire "Pop Songs" comp, only nine are on "ON Returning", so I'm gonna put it in the mail to you today. The Pop Songs moniker is as you'd expect, those Wire tunes that could be classified as "pop" in nature, I left out the punk songs, (unless they were pop-punk, like "Champs"), and it does cover their whole career, including the '03 release.

    Now, if you meant "sh*t" to mean bad, email me with a cease and desist order.
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    It was meant to be a compliment.

    I don't like others.

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    Smile Miles-fusion

    Quote Originally Posted by MindGoneHaywire
    Also managed to throw on Miles Davis' In A Silent Way a few times. Now this I didn't really expect to like at all, but I've gotta hand it to Mad Rhetorik, he nails it on this one. Way better, less constipated, more listenable than B*tches Brew. I mean, it's not really fusion. There may not be a hardcore jazz sensibility going on, but at least there's something I can go with. Nothing here screams at me to throw the disc out the window, like B*tches Brew or even On The Corner; actually I think it's pretty good. And I get the sense I'll like it more & more as I listen to it over time. I don't think I'll ever like it as much as, say, Sketches Of Spain, but I'll tell you what, it now piques my curiosity for Miles Smiles...I used to own a copy of Nefertiti, which isn't offensive, but not what I'd call very good, either. This? This is good. Me like. And considering when it was recorded--after Nefertiti, which I thought was just lite masturbatory noodling, and before B*tches Brew, which is heavy--like lead, only lead that, uh, smells real bad, if you can imagine such a thing--I just didn't think there was any way I'd like this. But hell, stranger things have happened.
    I'm glad you dug In A Silent Way. In case you're interested, there is another fusion Miles album that you may like titled Big Fun. It's made up of material recorded directly after B-tches' Brew and released in 1974, but sort of bridges the gap between Silent Way and B-tches' Brew. It's busier and less ambient than the former, but feels way less "elephant turd" than the latter, and, well, more fun. : P Might be worth your while, though it's kinda tough to find. Can't come upon a copy of it anywhere.

    Yeah, me definitely likes In A Silent Way. To me it was Miles' last great album (though I still haven't heard Jack Johnson yet) and a natural evolution from the stuff he was doing with his second quartet. In my mind Silent Way might be even better than Kind Of Blue, though I realize that's probably a minority opinion. Actually, there are a few Miles albums I like more than Kind Of Blue--Milestones, Round Midnight, and possibly even Somethin' Else, which is technically a Cannonball Adderly album though Miles supposedly wrote the bulk of the music, so I count it as such.

    Anyway, I still need to dig into your Beach Boys comp and SMILE. I will keep an open mind, and I am fully prepared to eat my previous negative verbiage regarding the Beach Boys if need be. : P I'll keep ya posted.
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    Been kinda busy lately, not much time to post a detailed list...but here are a few things...

    Electric Skychurch - Sonic Diary
    Anybody else listen to this? I liked it when I got it, and it just keeps growing on me. Totally synthetic soundscapes. If anybody's heard anything else from these guys and would like to recommend something, I'd like to know. Or if anyone knows anything that is in a similar vein.

    Tricky: Maxinquaye - Great debut. I still think the rest of his catalog is underrated, but this one is top notch.

    Massive Attack: Blue Lines - I go back to this one a ton. Just always seems to sound right.

    Some jazz stuff...

    Thelonious Monk: Genius of Modern Music - Why yes he is!

    Miles Davis: Birth of the Cool - Until his fusion period, Miles did no wrong in my book. I do like In a Silent Way though. Spotty after that to me.

    Some 80s stuff
    The Alarm: Declaration and their self-titled EP - Finally saw the Bands Reunited on these guys and it made me grab a listen.

    And, one more thing I wanna mention before I stop. Soul Galore comps. I've got 5 volumes of these and can't for the life of me remember who did them. If anyone knows, please tell me. These are just great. You get lesser known gemms and mid level hits from some great artists. I love every volume.

    Tons more, but no time to keep typing so you get what comes to my mind first.

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    Sounds like No-Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    I made this dark little song in GarageBand. I laid every note by hand. No factory loops were used. I'm totally addicted.

    http://www.designshed.com/toonage/Fangs.mp3

    That glockenspeil percussion sound that comes in about 30 seconds from the end is killer. Looks like a fun program. And for only $49 bucks, huh? I'll have to pick one up this week and take a crack after I upgrade to Panther on my home system.

    Been listening to Caravan's Waterloo Lily and Bo Hansson's Lord of the Rings. Not very interesting.

    Neal Morse looks like a dork through most of the Transatlantic DVD, but he is certainly a talented musician. He needs to learn how to relax on stage. Everything seems so stilted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindGoneHaywire
    Then I was listening to the new Califone, something about a Heron, which I was mighty curious about since Davey's so into them.
    Yeah, I haven't heard the new one but they are one of my favorites. I never heard much of a Beefheart connection in the previous albums myself, but they do seem to be pushing that aspect in the press releases for the new one and I've noticed that, not surprisingly, most of the reviews have picked up on it too . The part of the sound I like the most is that dirty gospel blues that seems to be lifted from Exile on Main Street. The Roomsound album probably exploited that sound most successfully. I did do a Califone comp awhile back that was a pretty good overview of their last two albums prior to Heron King Blues and the EP they did for Road Cone. They've also been doing some rather avant garde soundtrack work in a limited series of Deceleration releases that I kinda like but it's way too out there for your tastes, I would guess. Anyway, if you decide you'd like to hear some more, just let me know and I'll set you up with a copy of the Califone comp. I think I still have a copy on hand. Or actually, there's a few people around here that didn't much care for it that you could probably finagle one from - of course, that's not much of an endorsement

    Nice article I was just reading about it in Paste Magazine http://pastemagazine.com/action/article?article_id=381

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone
    Etoile de Dakar (feat. Youssou N'Dour) - Etoile de Dakar Vol. 1

    Manu Chao - Proxima Estacion Esperanza
    A client is a huge world music fan and he's slowly feeding me a lot of the stuff he really likes. This was one he gave to me recently to listen to (as was the Youssou N'Dour) and I must say it's fantastic. It's upbeat and accessible, almost reggae, but it can't really be categorized that neatly. A really fun record.
    Was just listening to the Youssou N'Dour Set album a couple days ago myself. You may recall that the title track led off that African Music comp I did? I think you got a copy of that. Anyway, it's from later in his career, kind of at the dawn of his becoming well known throughout the world in 1990. Really nice CD with Michael Brook at the production helm. Still backed by his Etoile de Dakar band, except now with Super appended to their name. Also been listening a lot this past week to the incredible Djam Leelii. I've mentioned it a few times before, but it's one of my all time favorites. A timeless acoustic collaboration between Sengalese star Baaba Maal and blind singer/guitarist Mansour Seck. The full title is Djam Leelii: The Adventurers. It was originally recorded in 1982 and released with very limited distribution a couple years later, only to fall into obscurity. I guess the master tapes were even lost for many years. But it surfaced again in 1998 on a very nice sounding CD (even though it credits John Dent at Loud Mastering ) with a couple bonus tracks from those same '82 sessions and since that time has become one of my favorites. Not just a favorite in guitar music, or African music, or any other limited genre, but an unqualified favorite. Beautiful, sublime and evocative, foreshadowing the wave of acoustic Afro-pop that was to come in the nineties. Masterful acoustic guitar work by Maal and Seck, with some electric credited to Aziz Dieng. One of those albums that I can just listen to over and over and over and.....

    I do have an early Orchestra Baobab recording from the Dakar series of about the same timeframe as the one you mention by Youssou. Guess they are somewhat similar. Not very good sound but pretty fun nonetheless. On the other hand, the Djam Leelii is a very good recording. Haven't heard the other one you mentioned but sounds interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody
    Electric Skychurch - Sonic Diary
    Anybody else listen to this? I liked it when I got it, and it just keeps growing on me. Totally synthetic soundscapes. If anybody's heard anything else from these guys and would like to recommend something, I'd like to know. Or if anyone knows anything that is in a similar vein.
    I have something by them, but don't even remember what. Sorry, can't be of any help.

    PS Does nobody like Nobody?



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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryL
    That glockenspeil percussion sound that comes in about 30 seconds from the end is killer. Looks like a fun program. And for only $49 bucks, huh? I'll have to pick one up this week and take a crack after I upgrade to Panther on my home system.

    Neal Morse looks like a dork through most of the Transatlantic DVD, but he is certainly a talented musician. He needs to learn how to relax on stage. Everything seems so stilted.
    That's a flanged piano. I brung it fwd in the mix between the sax riffs and used it for rhythm. There's still some screwball dissonance I don't like about it, buit I sat down with one of my neighbors today (a piano teacher w/ PhD in music) and he explained the harmonic formulas and how scales work to me, so I should be able to weed out the bad notes. Sounds remearably hi-fi on the big rig in the livingroom. I'll send you a CD when I get a pile of decent songs done, if you want.

    You don't need Panther to run it. X.2 is all you need.

    Neal Morse. When I've seen him live, he always seems a little uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Chalk
    I have something by them, but don't even remember what. Sorry, can't be of any help.

    PS Does nobody like Nobody?



    I...ain't got no baaaaah-deee...
    Hi Dusty, I was asking about this about a month ago. I found a reference to it in a local rags best of 2003. The guy described it as being superior to, but in the same vein as, Four Tet's - Rounds and Manitoba's - Up in flames. Which piqued my interest as I love both of them.

    I'm too much of a tightwad to take a punt on some hacks ideas but if one of you guys had it...?

    So, you have?

    I remain, me.

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    Never have heard that one. Like Chris, I've read a couple things that have got me interested in it. But, I've laid off the online ordering and haven't seen it around anywhere, so it remains a mystery.

    If anybody does pony up for the thing, put me in the camp of those interested in a listen.

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    Soul Galore

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody
    Been kinda busy lately, not much time to post a detailed list...but here are a few things...

    Electric Skychurch - Sonic Diary
    Anybody else listen to this? I liked it when I got it, and it just keeps growing on me. Totally synthetic soundscapes. If anybody's heard anything else from these guys and would like to recommend something, I'd like to know. Or if anyone knows anything that is in a similar vein.

    Tricky: Maxinquaye - Great debut. I still think the rest of his catalog is underrated, but this one is top notch.

    Massive Attack: Blue Lines - I go back to this one a ton. Just always seems to sound right.

    Some jazz stuff...

    Thelonious Monk: Genius of Modern Music - Why yes he is!

    Miles Davis: Birth of the Cool - Until his fusion period, Miles did no wrong in my book. I do like In a Silent Way though. Spotty after that to me.

    Some 80s stuff
    The Alarm: Declaration and their self-titled EP - Finally saw the Bands Reunited on these guys and it made me grab a listen.

    And, one more thing I wanna mention before I stop. Soul Galore comps. I've got 5 volumes of these and can't for the life of me remember who did them. If anyone knows, please tell me. These are just great. You get lesser known gemms and mid level hits from some great artists. I love every volume.

    Tons more, but no time to keep typing so you get what comes to my mind first.
    It was I that made the Soul Galore comps, I'm so pleased that you are still enjoying them. I play them pretty often too. Thanks for the kind words.
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    From Jaguar to Panther

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    That's a flanged piano. I brung it fwd in the mix between the sax riffs and used it for rhythm. There's still some screwball dissonance I don't like about it, buit I sat down with one of my neighbors today (a piano teacher w/ PhD in music) and he explained the harmonic formulas and how scales work to me, so I should be able to weed out the bad notes. Sounds remearably hi-fi on the big rig in the livingroom. I'll send you a CD when I get a pile of decent songs done, if you want.

    You don't need Panther to run it. X.2 is all you need.

    Neal Morse. When I've seen him live, he always seems a little uncomfortable.

    My Network guy needed to upgrade me to Panther in the office to get my iMac to work properly with the Airport network, so I decided to install it at home as well, but thanks for letting my know it isn't needed. I tried to pick up iLife at the closest seller to me and they were sold out except for the Family edition. Can I install Garageband on more than one computer (work and office)? Or do I need the Family edition to do that? Don't see why I wouldn't be able to do the former. It'll save me $40 bucks.

    Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing the disk when you have enough stuff. As to whether it makes you a musician, the answer is easily: no. It does, however, make you a music composer! Any monkey can be a musician...but to be a composer takes true talent! ;-)

    I've been planning to put some recording software on my computer for years now, but I know I won't have the right amount of time to make good use of it. Garageband sounds like the perfect low-cost introduction to the technology, and it looks like it can be a barrel of fun. Sucks you in just like video games, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody
    Electric Skychurch - Sonic Diary
    Anybody else listen to this?
    You and me buddy. I've probably already mentioned that it took me a while to appreciate this album. First listen fell flat but that was in the beautiful minivan. This needs a better system to get to the point where the music envelopes you.

    Might need to look into "Nobody" the album.

    jc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Clark
    You and me buddy. I've probably already mentioned that it took me a while to appreciate this album. First listen fell flat but that was in the beautiful minivan. This needs a better system to get to the point where the music envelopes you.

    Might need to look into "Nobody" the album.

    jc
    Yeah, that Nobody album does sound cool. Hopefully someone will report.

    Hey Jim, speaking of first listens falling flat and all that, have you revisited the Moonbabies much? And if so, has your opinion changed much? The reason I ask is that I just read a review yesterday over at DOA that was very positive. I'll just copy the last paragraph below and the link and if you want you can go there to read it. Guess I'll have to check it out myself one of these days since that's the only opinion that really matters, eh?
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    Moonbabies proves that the best European pop music today is coming from Sweden (and Hives be damned). The Orange Billboard sounds so good, plays so fluidly, feels so tight that it has a timeless quality, and there is not a single weak track on this album. In short, the duo of Ola and Carina has crafted a stellar pop album worthy of worldwide recognition.

    http://www.adequacy.net/reviews/m/moonbabies.shtml#4

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryL
    Can I install Garageband on more than one computer (work and office)? Or do I need the Family edition to do that? Don't see why I wouldn't be able to do the former. It'll save me $40 bucks.
    Doesn't sound like a problem at all. Keep in mind that the computer has to be able to play DVD in order to install this. For some reason, the install disc is a DVD. There are 500 MB of premade songs on there I haven't even begun to look at yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by BarryL
    Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing the disk when you have enough stuff. As to whether it makes you a musician, the answer is easily: no. It does, however, make you a music composer! Any monkey can be a musician...but to be a composer takes true talent! ;-)
    It's a strange combination of things. A composer doesn't make the sound, just the notes on paper. I'm not making notes on paper. I'm making what are essentially punch cards for each instrument, so I guess that's the same kinda thing. But I'm making ther sound and arrangement. At some point I will be plugging a keyboard into it (if I can ever find the cheap one Apple is selling) and playing simple chords into the system. Am I a monkey (musician) then?

    The whole thing has skewed the meaning of musician.

    Quote Originally Posted by BarryL
    I've been planning to put some recording software on my computer for years now, but I know I won't have the right amount of time to make good use of it. Garageband sounds like the perfect low-cost introduction to the technology, and it looks like it can be a barrel of fun. Sucks you in just like video games, huh?
    Better and worse than video games. Worse because it is actually MORE addicting than video games. I know, I have that addiction too! Better because you are creating. You have something to keep for your time and efforts. Having a finished song is much more gratifying than a high score.

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    I ain't got Nobody.

    No, I don't have Nobody. Sorry guys. But I have seen it in a local store. If I remember which one, I'll pick it up and report back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey.
    Hey Jim, speaking of first listens falling flat and all that, have you revisited the Moonbabies much? And if so, has your opinion changed much? The reason I ask is that I just read a review yesterday over at DOA that was very positive. I'll just copy the last paragraph below and the link and if you want you can go there to read it. Guess I'll have to check it out myself one of these days since that's the only opinion that really matters, eh?
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    Moonbabies proves that the best European pop music today is coming from Sweden (and Hives be damned). The Orange Billboard sounds so good, plays so fluidly, feels so tight that it has a timeless quality, and there is not a single weak track on this album. In short, the duo of Ola and Carina has crafted a stellar pop album worthy of worldwide recognition.

    http://www.adequacy.net/reviews/m/moonbabies.shtml#4
    Wow, that is quite the glowing review isn't it? Well, yes I have listened a couple of additional times and can vouch for the fact that there are some perfectly gorgeous tunes on the disc. At this point however, if it were me I'd reverse the author's preference on these two discs. After reading the review I'd guess that anyone who is at all familiar with my own peculiar tastes would be able to guess that there are parts of this I'm not going to fall in love with, at least not at first. I guess the author summed it up fairly well when he noted: "While many bands are playing modern indie-pop with a knowing debt to the stalwarts - Beatles, Beach Boys, etc. - Moonbabies effortlessly mix their influences, combining bits of that timeless pop with Sonic Youth-esque rock, keyboard-driven pop, and more modern indie rock." What I seem to hear so far is more of the Beatles and the Beach Boys and a bit less of the Sonic Youth and keyboard driven pop this time around. There are passages in the album that definetly evoke a 60's type of feel for me and I'll bet cash that this is the reason for my initial reluctance to embrace it with open arms.

    I know others have a good chance of reacting differently which is why I have taken steps to let them form their own opinion. And who knows, it may grow on me! I was going to listen to Yello as I shoveled later today but perhaps I need the Moonbabies to listen to instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    Doesn't sound like a problem at all. Keep in mind that the computer has to be able to play DVD in order to install this. For some reason, the install disc is a DVD. There are 500 MB of premade songs on there I haven't even begun to look at yet.

    .

    DVD? That means another upgrade to my G4 at home. And no way am I putting that thing on my work computer. It would be too distracting. I was hoping to play on the weekend, but if requires DVD, it'll have to wait until I can get one. I think I'll do an accellerator board at the same time.

    Those Apple guys certainly know how to make you keep upgrading!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryL
    DVD? That means another upgrade to my G4 at home. And no way am I putting that thing on my work computer. It would be too distracting. I was hoping to play on the weekend, but if requires DVD, it'll have to wait until I can get one. I think I'll do an accellerator board at the same time.

    Those Apple guys certainly know how to make you keep upgrading!!
    I thought all G4's had DVD capability?

    Yes, Jobs knows his job alright.

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    I'm Both A Type-A And An Early Adaptor

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    I thought all G4's had DVD capability?

    Yes, Jobs knows his job alright.
    While I would consider myself ignorant about most things related to computers and technology, I'm an early adaptor for some things. I was early out of the blocks buying my G4 when they were a roaring 400mhz. That was just before they lowered them to 350 to keep up with demand. I don't think DVD burners were even on the market then.

    Then I upgraded to a new iMac with a Superdrive, and about three months later they introduced a 17" version, which I would have much preferred. Oh well. Another year or two with this one and I'll buy the latest new product of the month and then be disappointed because I didn't wait one more month!

    I'm off to get my Pioneer 106 DVD burner right now, and will try to install it tonight. If all goes well, I'll get to play in the basement on the weekend (maybe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    That's a flanged piano. I brung it fwd in the mix between the sax riffs and used it for rhythm. There's still some screwball dissonance I don't like about it, buit I sat down with one of my neighbors today (a piano teacher w/ PhD in music) and he explained the harmonic formulas and how scales work to me, so I should be able to weed out the bad notes. Sounds remearably hi-fi on the big rig in the livingroom. I'll send you a CD when I get a pile of decent songs done, if you want.

    You don't need Panther to run it. X.2 is all you need.

    Neal Morse. When I've seen him live, he always seems a little uncomfortable.
    Hi Troy, I had a listen (5MB!!, dump the bitrate down to 128 and have some mercy on those of us on dialup). The sound quality is great isn't it. I think that's probably got something to do with the fact that the mix isn't "busy" so you've escaped having multiple instruments fighting for the same space. I really like the drums, not so much the heartbeat intro, but when you start playing with the little fills and crash cymbals that seems tasty. Personally I'm not so into the abrupt changes (like when the sax comes in) for me there should be some kind of build to the change. Maybe try reversing a crash cymbal sound so there's a rising whoosh before the Paaaarp? Lots of nice instrument voices too. You are such a prog boy ;-)

    Does the program come with a synth instrument that you can actually program the patch yourself?

    I haven't got around to building a homepage where I could post one of my own tunes, mebbe I'll get around to mailing one your way.

    Keep up the good work, Chris.

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