Telarc Recordings Suck

[newbsterv2]

Am I the only one who thinks that Telarcs recording are utter trash? Dull, Murky, too quiet. The funny thing is that the cd insert included with telarc cd's claim how no eq's are used and there and no this and that here and there. These people should just stop making crap sounding recordings. I'll take an RCA Victor or an Analog EMI any day of the week over this overpriced/overproduced junk.

[DarrenH]

I have only two:

Carl Orff - Carmina Burana. Atlanta Symphony Orchestra. Robert Shaw conducting. CD-80056

Vivaldi - The Four Seasons. Boston Symphony Orchestra. Seiji Ozawa conducting. Joseph Siverstein violin. CD-80070

They both sound quite excellent to my ears. But then again, I'm not a classical music aficionado.

Darren

[Davey.]

Vivaldi - The Four Seasons. Boston Symphony Orchestra. Seiji Ozawa conducting. Joseph Siverstein violin. CD-80070

I think the first CD I bought almost twenty years ago was the Telarc CD-80070 Vivaldi: The Four Seasons, Silverstein / Ozawa / Boston Symphony Orchestra. I now have a couple others on CD and a whole slew on LP, but the only one I play with any regularity is the Telarc. For a 1982 DDD recording it is stunning. Recorded in Houghton Chapel, Wellseley College, Wellesely, Massachusetts straight from the microphones to the Soundstream Digital Tape Recorder. No transformers or electronic processing anywhere during production off the CD. Very nice. Haven't heard any recent DSD Telarc recordings on SACD, but most people say they are excellent. Might be better to list the recordings you don't like newbster so people have a better idea what you are talking about. As far as I'm concerned, in digital quieter is almost always better, unless they aren't taking the peaks to full level. Dynamic range is music.

[Pat D]

I think the first CD I bought almost twenty years ago was the Telarc CD-80070 Vivaldi: The Four Seasons, Silverstein / Ozawa / Boston Symphony Orchestra. I now have a couple others on CD and a whole slew on LP, but the only one I play with any regularity is the Telarc. For a 1982 DDD recording it is stunning. Recorded in Houghton Chapel, Wellseley College, Wellesely, Massachusetts straight from the microphones to the Soundstream Digital Tape Recorder. No transformers or electronic processing anywhere during production off the CD. Very nice. Haven't heard any recent DSD Telarc recordings on SACD, but most people say they are excellent. Might be better to list the recordings you don't like newbster so people have a better idea what you are talking about. As far as I'm concerned, in digital quieter is almost always better, unless they aren't taking the peaks to full level. Dynamic range is music.

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[newbsterv2]

There is a recording of Tchaikowsky's Nutcracker performed by Sir Charles Mackerras that is the one that comes to mind. It's a perfect example of an astounding performance horridly recorded. It's funny how Davey repeated the liner notes exactly, "straight from the microphones to the Soundstream Digital Tape Recorder. No transformers or electronic processing anywhere during production off the CD". Sorry but this recording sounds like a multi-miked mass of confusion.

[Slosh]

I'm not much into classical but my parents have about 100 classical CDs so I do have some idea of what to look for in a good recording. My lone Telarc rec is Zander's Mahler's 6th SACD and it sounds amazingly realistic, especially the 5.1 channel SACD mix (assuming the speakers are properly placed with the correct delay settings and are not being fed more bass than they can handle and calibrated with an SPL meter...no one ever said multi-channel was easy ). I believe this is my only pure DSD disc and comes very, very close to my best LPs. The CD layer is excellent too but why would I listen to that at home? (I never listen to classical in the car)

For me the music comes first. If it's well recorded so much the better but my problem with labels like Telarc and Classic Records is the vast majority of their stuff simply doesn't move me.

I'll take lo-fi music I like over audiophile pap anyday

[Jim Clark]

It's funny how Davey repeated the liner notes exactly, "straight from the microphones to the Soundstream Digital Tape Recorder. No transformers or electronic processing anywhere during production off the CD". Sorry but this recording sounds like a multi-miked mass of confusion.

I get it now-Davey is a shill for Telarc! Here it's been right under my nose all these years and I didn't even realize until just now. I appreciate you pointing that out for me.

I doubt I'd be a fan of telarc either, but it would have nothing to do with the sonics.

Regards,
jc

[newbsterv2]

I get it now-Davey is a shill for Telarc! Here it's been right under my nose all these years and I didn't even realize until just now. I appreciate you pointing that out for me.

I doubt I'd be a fan of telarc either, but it would have nothing to do with the sonics.

Regards,
jc

I'm not saying anyone is a shill. I'm saying that when Telarc says that their recordings are good for whatever methods they used to record the event people simply will say yeah the music sounds great because they recorded it in such and such a way. People tend to repeat stuff they hear regardless of validity. I'm just tired of hearing about how great Telarc is when there are countless other labels making better sounding records regardless of cost.

[Jim Clark]

I'm not saying anyone is a shill. I'm saying that when Telarc says that their recordings are good for whatever methods they used to record the event people simply will say yeah the music sounds great because they recorded it in such and such a way. People tend to repeat stuff they hear regardless of validity. I'm just tired of hearing about how great Telarc is when there are countless other labels making better sounding records regardless of cost.

Now this is funny. Your reply to me is listed ahead of my original reply. According to the info provided by the software you responded to my post 4 minutes before I even posted. OK, maybe not funny, but certainly odd.

Sorry you don't like your telarc disc, what else is there to say?

jc

[newbsterv2]

Now this is funny. Your reply to me is listed ahead of my original reply. According to the info provided by the software you responded to my post 4 minutes before I even posted. OK, maybe not funny, but certainly odd.

Sorry you don't like your telarc disc, what else is there to say?

jc

Yes this new message board format sucks as well. There's not really anything else to say.

[Pat D]

I get it now-Davey is a shill for Telarc! Here it's been right under my nose all these years and I didn't even realize until just now. I appreciate you pointing that out for me.

I doubt I'd be a fan of telarc either, but it would have nothing to do with the sonics.

Regards,
jc

I suggest you, Davey, Darren and others who actually own Telarc CDs to read the booklets to see if you can actually find the alleged quote newbster2v says is in there:

"straight from the microphones to the Soundstream Digital Tape Recorder. No transformers or electronic processing anywhere during production off the CD."

I don't think you'll find it. Nothing like that in any of my Telarc CDs. Davey's words are a paraphrase, not a quote. I'm not at all sure newbster2v has actually seen a Telarc CD, since he doesn't appear to know what they say.

He may have gotten the picture from Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...315155-7690206

I certainly wouldn't generalize about the label from just one CD as Newbster apparently does. Some Telarc CDs have great performances and some not, but the sound is practically always quite good to excellent.

Bach, Organ Works. Michael Murray playing the Great Organ at Methuen. Telarc CD-80049. Contains a splendid recording of the Passacaglia in C.

Brahms, Ein Deutsches Requiem. Shaw, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Chorus. Telarc CD-80092. Even TAS likes this one.

Beethoven, The Five Piano Concertos. Rudiolf Serkin, piano; Seiji Ozawa, Boston Symphony Orchestra. Telarc CD-80061-5.

Handel, Messiah. Shaw, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Chorus. Telarc CD80093-2. Another splendid recording.

Rachmaninoff, Symphony no. 2. Previn, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Telarc CD-80113. A very fine performance, perhaps not as good as Ormandy's classic, but with excellent sound.

[Jim Clark]

I suggeste you, Davey, Darren and others who actually own Telarc CDs to read the booklets to see if you can actually find the alleged quote newbster2v says is in there:

"straight from the microphones to the Soundstream Digital Tape Recorder. No transformers or electronic processing anywhere during production off the CD."

I don't think you'll find it.

Well right now I have a couple of Telarc Discs:

Mozart Symphony no 40 in g minor +Symphony no.41 in C Major "Jupiter" cd # 80139

and Dvorak Symphony no 7 in D minor, op. 70 overture, my Home, op.62 CD # 80173

Also grabbed a Denon PCM CD, Mahler no. 6 co -1327 and co-1328 to compare sonic quality.

Haven't listened to anything yet, Kansas is playing, and losing, to Stanford. We remain hopeful yet thankful we don't gamble. I also gained newly found respect for all the typing you do in refering to these classical CDs. I'm not sure I typed all the relevant info but it's a start.

Regards,
jc

[Pat D]

Well right now I have a couple of Telarc Discs:

Mozart Symphony no 40 in g minor +Symphony no.41 in C Major "Jupiter" cd # 80139

and Dvorak Symphony no 7 in D minor, op. 70 overture, my Home, op.62 CD # 80173

Also grabbed a Denon PCM CD, Mahler no. 6 co -1327 and co-1328 to compare sonic quality.

Haven't listened to anything yet, Kansas is playing, and losing, to Stanford. We remain hopeful yet thankful we don't gamble. I also gained newly found respect for all the typing you do in refering to these classical CDs. I'm not sure I typed all the relevant info but it's a start.

Regards,
jc

Long ago, when I was in High School, I had some room in my schedule one semester and I had the foresight to fill it with a typing course. I wan't too good at it, but what skills I did learn have been very useful all my life.

I sure wish I had the money to buy every CD I might want, but I have to limit myself. The only Mozart CD I have with Mackerras and the Prague Philharmonic is "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" and the "Posthorn Serenade," on CD-80108. This is a very fine CD and the sound is great.

Oooh, and Mackerras' 40 and 41 is cheap, too!!!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...ce&s=classical

Very tempting. I recently got Pinnock's superb Complete Mozart Symphonies box set, which is quite cheap now, though most of the earlier symphonies aren't such great works, though they're nice enough. For nos. 35-41, I have gone with conductors like Colin Davis, Leibowitz, Krips, and Hogwood. I'm not really looking for others, though Mackerras is supposed to be as good as any and better than most.

I hope you enjoy the Dvorak, too. I've never heard Previn's Dvorak, but he is a good conductor.

I have heard a little of Inbal's Mahler and it seemed very good to me, very well recorded. Denon is of my favorite labels, and they have made many quite fine recordings. They sure don't sound the same as Telarc ones--or London, Nimbus, Columbia, Sony, . . . .

[newbsterv2]

I suggest you, Davey, Darren and others who actually own Telarc CDs to read the booklets to see if you can actually find the alleged quote newbster2v says is in there:

"straight from the microphones to the Soundstream Digital Tape Recorder. No transformers or electronic processing anywhere during production off the CD."

I don't think you'll find it. Nothing like that in any of my Telarc CDs. Davey's words are a paraphrase, not a quote. I'm not at all sure newbster2v has actually seen a Telarc CD, since he doesn't appear to know what they say.

He may have gotten the picture from Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...315155-7690206

I certainly wouldn't generalize about the label from just one CD as Newbster apparently does. Some Telarc CDs have great performances and some not, but the sound is practically always quite good to excellent.

Bach, Organ Works. Michael Murray playing the Great Organ at Methuen. Telarc CD-80049. Contains a splendid recording of the Passacaglia in C.

Brahms, Ein Deutsches Requiem. Shaw, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Chorus. Telarc CD-80092. Even TAS likes this one.

Beethoven, The Five Piano Concertos. Rudiolf Serkin, piano; Seiji Ozawa, Boston Symphony Orchestra. Telarc CD-80061-5.

Handel, Messiah. Shaw, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Chorus. Telarc CD80093-2. Another splendid recording.

Rachmaninoff, Symphony no. 2. Previn, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Telarc CD-80113. A very fine performance, perhaps not as good as Ormandy's classic, but with excellent sound.

Ok Pat I hope this is all the proof you need. If you need anything else just let me know.

[Pat D]

Ok Pat I hope this is all the proof you need. If you need anything else just let me know.

But that's not what Davey said, is it?

Oh well, you did get some discussion of classical music going on this board. And, BTW, I may well be a classical snob! But I do read some of the posts here about other types of music to try and learn something.

[newbsterv2]

I posted about my experience with Telarc not because I was trying to start siht but because I was expressing an opinion. If Pat D can honestly listen to this recording of the Nutcracker and say that it was well recorded then so be it. I say listen for yourself and you decide.

[-Jar-]

I took classes with Jack Renner in college. I can attest to the fact that they seldom use more than a couple mics to record an orchestra. usually a cardiod ORTF pair in the middle and a pair of spaced omnis farther back. Sometimes they have an accent mic over a particular instrument if it's featured, but they do not multi-mic, multi-track like DG does. This is of course, as of the early 90's. Telarc may have changed their policies, but I doubt it. Their concept is to get the widest dynamic range possible. I would say that some of their recordings lack the "warmth" of other labels recordings, but that "warmth" is probably due to processing and mixing the those labels are doing themselves. For realism, Telarc does very well.. their way is one of many possible ways to record classical music. Not the only correct one by any means. If anything, I don't find Telarc recordings to be as engaging as others, especially in the softer parts.. but for the loud, bombastic sections that come in Walton, Mahler or Stravinsky, you'd be hard pressed to find recordings that pack as much bang.

-jar

[newbsterv2]

I took classes with Jack Renner in college. I can attest to the fact that they seldom use more than a couple mics to record an orchestra. usually a cardiod ORTF pair in the middle and a pair of spaced omnis farther back. Sometimes they have an accent mic over a particular instrument if it's featured, but they do not multi-mic, multi-track like DG does. This is of course, as of the early 90's. Telarc may have changed their policies, but I doubt it. Their concept is to get the widest dynamic range possible. I would say that some of their recordings lack the "warmth" of other labels recordings, but that "warmth" is probably due to processing and mixing the those labels are doing themselves. For realism, Telarc does very well.. their way is one of many possible ways to record classical music. Not the only correct one by any means. If anything, I don't find Telarc recordings to be as engaging as others, especially in the softer parts.. but for the loud, bombastic sections that come in Walton, Mahler or Stravinsky, you'd be hard pressed to find recordings that pack as much bang.

-jar

To me the most important parts of the music are the quiet parts. I own a set of Magnepan MMG's that I've settled with over some time. These speakers don't give me the fireworks like the competition does but for me there is more to the music than the macro dynamics. Magnepan has a slogan that says, "when you want to get someones attention...whisper". The Maggies do that just right. Quiet parts are still completely comprehendable. When I listen to these Telarc recordings it's like "hey what the heck is the orchestra still alive?". Then the crescendo arrives and it sounds like a milkshake. I actually have an analog version of Petrushka on Phillips and while not as loud as I might like it is well balanced and seems to come from "blackness". Anyway to each their own enjoy your recordings

[hifitommy]

Am I the only one who thinks that Telarcs recording are utter trash? Dull, Murky, too quiet. The funny thing is that the cd insert included with telarc cd's claim how no eq's are used and there and no this and that here and there. These people should just stop making crap sounding recordings. I'll take an RCA Victor or an Analog EMI any day of the week over this overpriced/overproduced junk.

you must be one of the very few. telarc CDs mostly are quite powerful and detailed. perhaps you should get your system checked or perhaps youre too used to bright digital crap recordings.

pictures at an exhibition by lorin maazel and the cleveland orchestra should pin you to the wall at the end ilf you set the volume to a normal level near the beginning of the piece.

numerous telarcs are truly superior recordings, if you dont think so, you have system problems. the biggest prob with telarcs is that the music isnt always up to the format.

i have the vinyl of the nutcracker so i will check it out. the vinyl of the pictures is awesome, better than the cd.