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I didn't. I watched NASCAR races to see Dale Earnhardt win. He was a hero of mine; drug free, but when he died, so went my enthusiasm for the sport.
I suppose I'm on the losing end of the debate, but if everybody things drugs are the future of sports I guess I'll try to hack a bigger disk drive into my PVR and save my Eagles, Phillies and Flyers games before it's too late.
One more note: Legislation is being/has passed here in Texas to start Steriod screening at the High School level.
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Rafael didn't perjur himself in court, and Big Mac didn't...
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Lyle Alzado too.
Where's Raphael Palmero? Is he in prison? He baltantly commited perjury in front of Congress, indignately wagged his finger at them (so did Bill Clinton). What's Barry more guilty of...perjury, using steroids, or breaking Hank Aaron's home run record when no one wanted him to?
Let's face it, the media had an ax to grind with Bonds anyway. Before the rumors of steroid use in baseball, Bonds was a notorious prick, to both fans and the media. Baseball fans want all that humility and "awe shucks, garsh gee whiz" crap that that other big time steroid abuser Mark McGuire spewed out. Have you seen him lately? Him and wrinkled fore-skin looking neck? Oh yeah, that's right, 'roids weren't illegal when he was shooting up. :nonod:
Where were all the people crying about steroids when Big Mac was breaking the single season home run record? If people weren't concerned with 'roids then, why the hell should they care now?
Basebal should be so lucky if their biggest problem was steroid abuse. Its the least of their problems.
...do anything illegal because steroids were not banned at that time, so you can't said a dang thing about it. I don't condone it but they weren't banned at that time.
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I don't recall hearing about any players in the NHL being charged with steroid use, which to me still stands up as the purest sport with the utmost integrity in this greed driven country.
I love hockey. Period. But fair is fair and right is right and you can't use this argument. Before the reorganization derived from the lockout season there was no drug testing policy unless you were already in the league's substance abuse program, which meant you were already so far-gone that you were repeatedly missing work or getting arrested. You can't find what you're not looking for.
Even now, there's no testing done for steroids and the piss-test you take is equivalent to the one the kids take to get the job at Best Buy--and I think we all know a fair amount of them are on drugs.
The issue with hockey is that nobody fits the body type of what the public believes to be a steroid-freak and that's because the workouts are different. You work out for endurance and strength not mass. If you're 6 foot and 195-210 you can both skate and make some room around the crease. If you're 6 foot and juiced up to 245lbs. you can fight like an MMA fighter but yer blown up by your third shift.
Not to rain on your parade, but between the booze and the muscle relaxants and the coke and the 'roids there's probably more drug use in hockey than in any other sport...and Santa's black, the Tooth Fairy is gay, and Sasquatch is a shriner in a gibbon suit.
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I would say that 99% of hockey players play because they love the sport and come from other countries where the almighty dollar is not the bottom line. Booze is legal, prescription drugs are legal and cocaine doesn't enhance performance but is rather a recreational drug. If there IS more drug use in hockey, it's not used as an organized method for cheating in the sport.
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Not to rain on your parade, but between the booze and the muscle relaxants and the coke and the 'roids there's probably more drug use in hockey than in any other sport...and Santa's black, the Tooth Fairy is gay, and Sasquatch is a shriner in a gibbon suit.
You left out the performance-enhancement drug of choice for hockey players - amphetamines.
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Even now, there's no testing done for steroids
I believe that is incorrect as a couple of players have been caught for steroid use - Brian Berard for one.
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I would say that 99% of hockey players play because they love the sport and come from other countries where the almighty dollar is not the bottom line. Booze is legal, prescription drugs are legal and cocaine doesn't enhance performance but is rather a recreational drug. If there IS more drug use in hockey, it's not used as an organized method for cheating in the sport.
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I guess you've never watched Alexei Yashin play, no way someone can play like that and "love the game"
But I think that if there was the concerted effort (read; witch hunt) to find steroid use in hockey as there is for Baseball, I think you'd find considerable steroid use among those players who are in the league for their fighting prowess. I know that John Kordic was a steroid casualty long-before steroids were de rigeur. And another former "enforcer" Dave Morissette, admitted to using 'roids.
But Bobsticks point is well taken, and performance enhancement can take other forms besides steroids, and amphetamines abuse i the NHLs dirty little secret. Now, having said all that, I probably fall into the Troy school of thought, with the obscene amounts of money at stake, you can't stop these kind of "abuses" so just let them do whatever they think it takes - within the rule of law, I suppose.
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LOL...Yashin...what a douchebag. The contents of my mouth just about hit my monitor via my nose.
Amphetamines make sense, get all horked up on ephedrine derivatives to temporarily clear out the cardiovascular system. I guess it's all in who you know. Rich, you're down in Texas, you could run a little experiment for us. Hang out in the parking lot of The Clubhouse for twenty minutes and see what you get offered first.
I'll concede the point on current testing procedure, but it's extremely recent, like this year recent I reckon. (http://www.nhlpa.com/PerformanceEnhancing/index.asp ). It was only a couple of years ago that the NHL and the U.S. Olympic Committe were at odds because the league didn't want the players subjected to "inconsistent testing procedures".
The problem with the rest of it is that it's a cyclical lifestyle. 82 sessions of any extremely hard-hitting, violent and taxing activity takes its toll rather quickly. I mean it's hockey--they don't get to be baseball players.
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I guess you've never watched Alexei Yashin play, no way someone can play like that and "love the game"
But that's just your opinion right? A very subjective statement which is debatable all by itself.
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But I think that if there was the concerted effort (read; witch hunt) to find steroid use in hockey as there is for Baseball, I think you'd find considerable steroid use among those players who are in the league for their fighting prowess. I know that John Kordic was a steroid casualty long-before steroids were de rigeur. And another former "enforcer" Dave Morissette, admitted to using 'roids.
Well, that's two bad apples... a far cry from what's going on in baseball ala Barry Bonds. Here's my subjective input: I think it was the '06 season that Bonds sat out most of the season due to a leg? injury. It coincedently happened right about the time the steroid issue came to the forefront. I think the injury was a bunch of bullsh!t. His intention was to put off breaking the record until the noise died down and it wouldn't be so obvious. That's just plain f'in slimey IMO. I've never heard anything like that happen in hockey, and to me it's no different than fixing the games which once again makes the fan the victim.
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But Bobsticks point is well taken, and performance enhancement can take other forms besides steroids, and amphetamines abuse i the NHLs dirty little secret. Now, having said all that, I probably fall into the Troy school of thought, with the obscene amounts of money at stake, you can't stop these kind of "abuses" so just let them do whatever they think it takes - within the rule of law, I suppose.
I still say no way, and I think the majority of sports fans feel the same way in that performance enhancing drugs have no place in spectator sports because they compromise the integrity of pure competition.
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...Rich, you're down in Texas, you could run a little experiment for us. Hang out in the parking lot of The Clubhouse for twenty minutes and see what you get offered first.
The Clubhouse? For your sake I SURE hope you're not talking about "America's Team's" (not my words, trust me) clubhouse! Remember, the 'Boys have a hired gun now in Tank Johnson and he's packin' heat! I'd probably get offered a 9mm slug up my butt when he sees me in my Eagles sweatshirt! :eek:
Yeah, no thanks.
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The Clubhouse? For your sake I SURE hope you're not talking about "America's Team's" (not my words, trust me) clubhouse! Remember, the 'Boys have a hired gun now in Tank Johnson and he's packin' heat! I'd probably get offered a 9mm slug up my butt when he sees me in my Eagles sweatshirt! :eek:
Yeah, no thanks.
Nah, the one on Maniana Dr.
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The Clubhouse? For your sake I SURE hope you're not talking about "America's Team's" (not my words, trust me) clubhouse! Remember, the 'Boys have a hired gun now in Tank Johnson and he's packin' heat! I'd probably get offered a 9mm slug up my butt when he sees me in my Eagles sweatshirt! :eek:
Yeah, no thanks.
Rich, you need to get a new avatar....upon first glance it looks too similar to a little known troll around here with a wrecked car for an avatar. Peace out bro!
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Rich, you need to get a new avatar....upon first glance it looks too similar to a little known troll around here with a wrecked car for an avatar. Peace out bro!
Nooooooo!!! I think I just need to make it bigger. Maybe JM'll sign a waiver.
"Little known troll" Little known??? :lol:
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