Hey Terence

[BarryL]

I posted a response to your comments to me on the Movie board on Friday before I left work, but it's not there. Given that you locked the thread, I assumed that you also deleter my post. It's not there.

I'm not angry. I find this all senseless, sad, and yet somewhat amusing that you continue to argue with your customers. You should have stated your position, posted the rules that refer to, and then left everyone alone. But for some reason you want to convince us that you are doing the right thing. Many people disagree with you. Now the issue isn't about posting movies anymore. So some people disagree. Big deal. Everyone that posted said that it's your domain, you can do it if you want to. I, for one, think that it's narrow-minded. You disagree, and are following AudioReview's policy for moderators. That's cool. Do your work. But don't try to defend it by insulting everyone you don't agree with and telling them that they just aren't as enlightened about these matters as you are (what if you were moderator? etc.).

Now you've gone beyond explaining your position, which is where you should have stopped. Some people explained that they disagree with your decision, which you wrongly took as personal attacks and insults. I've seen personal attacks on this board, so have you, and you know it's a big stretch to consider any comments on these threads to be of the degree to be considered personal attacks. For some reason you think you have to convince each dissenter that you are right and that they are wrong. I'm sure your intentions are good, but the reasons you provide (I'm just following orders, there would be chaos, it wouldn't be fair to EVERYBODY, etc.) are arbitary rationalizations given the context of this board. You've let this whole thing get way out of control by arguing with your customers and demonstrating poor Internet judgment. Consider that a performance appraisal by a customer, and not a personal attack.



In my opinion, you have been engaged willfully in insulting the customers by calling people juvenile and narrow-minded. Hence MindGoneHaywire's comments about your abilities as a moderator. The most disruptive person on this site for the past few days has been YOU. You should be making yourself invisible, instead of becoming the main topic of conversation.

I'm not angry, and my posts aren't meant to convey anger. I am disappointed. The big problem with written posts is that you can't infer the intended tone of the writer. If you're reading anger, maybe that's how you would like to hear it. I'll have to insert more smiley faces from now on! (Did it work? I don't know how to use those icons at the bottom of the page).

[ericl]

Whoa, this has gotten pretty heated! Lets take a step back for minute.

Terrence isn't trying to be some tyrant, he's just doing standard BB maintenance, OK? We promise. Please see it from his side. He's trying to his moderatorly duties and keep things organized, and then somebody takes it the wrong way. Then, before you know it, you've got a whole bunch more members howling injustice - it makes it even more difficult for the moderator to do a good job.. It can get really intimidating to have a bunch of guys bashing you, and you easily get on the defensive. Take it easy on ol' Terrence. He just wants to help out the site, that's why he's a mod.

The official "rule" about moving might be a bit arbitrary at times, but does keep things organized - there would be no point in having forums for different topics. So we have a rule. ITs just to keep things organized. not to oppress. we promise.

Friends?


-Eric

[Jim Clark]

Well, this is going great. Till now I've resisted flogging the proverbial dead horse and to some degree I will continue in that effort. (this post was originally significantly longer but then I realized that this wasn't the collegiate NDT and cut 90%)

I am at a loss at understand why all of the other boards don't complain about moderation, but this one does.

Of course that's unfortunate and my guess is that it goes to the source of the problem. Many have attempted to explain it, to no avail. I might add that this forum is the largest here by a large margin with Home Theater coming in a distant second with nearly 2,000 fewer posts. Have you ever wondered why?

This website has rules, and they apply to ALL of the forums in it.

I'm not familiar with those rules. I'm aware of the posted terms of service but honestly didn't see how the posts when viewed according to the terms of usage would necessitate the intervention of a moderator. Of course I'm not aware of the extra instruction provided to you in your role as moderator and fully realize that the site owners have the right to do whatever they want. I will continue to post here as long as the site continues to meet my needs, should that change I will move along too.

Regards,
jc

[ForeverAutumn]

Whoa, this has gotten pretty heated! Lets take a step back for minute.

Terrence isn't trying to be some tyrant, he's just doing standard BB maintenance, OK? We promise. Please see it from his side. He's trying to his moderatorly duties and keep things organized, and then somebody takes it the wrong way. Then, before you know it, you've got a whole bunch more members howling injustice - it makes it even more difficult for the moderator to do a good job.. It can get really intimidating to have a bunch of guys bashing you, and you easily get on the defensive. Take it easy on ol' Terrence. He just wants to help out the site, that's why he's a mod.

The official "rule" about moving might be a bit arbitrary at times, but does keep things organized - there would be no point in having forums for different topics. So we have a rule. ITs just to keep things organized. not to oppress. we promise.

Friends?


-Eric

I believe that most of us ended up being okay with Terrence's reasons for moving the posts. It was his argumentative attitude that got him into trouble. Had he simply explained his position instead of trying to convince us of how wrong we all are, all of this could have been avoided.

He became his own worst enemy.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think that I need to go relax to some Porcupine Tree.

[tentoze]

Whoa, this has gotten pretty heated! Lets take a step back for minute.

Friends?


-Eric

Eric,

The situation has deteriorated to where it is due to both the style and the substance of the methods employed by the moderator. Site rules are site rules, no argument. However, I note with interest that no response has been provided to BarryL's question asking why the "off-topic" book thread was allowed to stand. Selective, imperious, and arrogant enforcement of fuzzy rules will always stir the crowd, regardless of the other circumstances.

Having said that, it is clear that you, as Site Admin, support the moderator's actions; again, clearly your right to do so. As much as I enjoy the small community of knowledgeable members of Rave Recs, I choose to follow J (Mindgonehaywire) away from what RR is becoming.

Rave Reckers: Audiokarma is a salubrious environment, and that's where I'll be.

eric

[ericl]

Tentoze,

Like I said, it's easy to get on the defensive when you've got a bunch of guys yelling at you. And when someone gets defensive, they can get a little rash and make mistakes. it happens a lot to moderators in situations like this, so I am asking that you guys just have a little patience with us. We're far from perfect. We know that. We're trying our best.

-Eric

[mad rhetorik]

Am I the only person that sees the irony in all this? A moderator gets a bit obtrusive, and everybody goes on the attack saying that an overactive moderator will cause activity to cease on this board and make Rave Recs close down. And yet.. the board hasn't been this busy in quite awhile. Makes me scratch my head, you know? ; P

Anyway, Terrence: Do one of two things in the future. Either just allow friendly OT threads (as long as they aren't obvious troll or flame posts they're not hurting anybody, and this is the most active Audioreview board so it's logical that some OT threads are going to be here) or relocate/delete all OT threads. The latter option will cause a lot of irritation, and might cause people to leave, but hey, at least you'll be enforcing the guidelines equally. Right?

You didn't need to close that thread. I've been on MANY BB's where stuff gets more heated than that on nearly a weekly basis. I know it's up to you to prevent the spread of internet ugliness (one might call it "keyboard courage") and I don't envy your job. But we're all adults here. We can all hit "Ignore" if we choose to be offended. Unnecessary intervention only spreads more ill will--this time though, the malice will be directed at moderators.

Look Terrence, I know your job isn't easy. I'll chalk your indiscretion up to a lack of experience with the position, and I will continue to post here. No hard feelings.

[Troy]

I think a lot of you are missing the point.

The Incredibles thread was about movies. There is a movies board here. Movies belong there, not on the music board.

There is no "beechin' books" forum here. There is no "wednesday alchoholics" forum here. Those posts can stand anyplace. thus they remain at rave recs.

Frankly, there are a lot of message boards that won't allow ANY OT discussions at all. I think it's cool that they do here.

Lots of panties in a twist over this on both sides. It has blown itself WAY out of proportion.

Anyone that REALLY feels like thay can't post here anymore over this? Don't post here anymore. Too bad, it's everybody's loss.

The whole thing is just so ridiculously infantile, on BOTH sides of the net. I'm embarassed for all of us. Can we just drop it and move on please?

[Jim Clark]

I think a lot of you are missing the point.

Might be true, if you include yourself in that group.

there is no "beechin' books" forum here. There is no "wednesday alchoholics" forum here. Those posts can stand anyplace. thus they remain at rave recs.

Hopefully! Until Eric chimed in I'm not so sure anyone necessarily believed it would end that way. BTW, you are incorrect in your assumption: http://forums.audioreview.com/off-topic-non-audio/ As many stated, not all of us are interested in combing every forum in the joint.

Frankly, there are a lot of message boards that won't allow ANY OT discussions at all. I think it's cool that they do here..

The distinction of course being posted rules. I believe Terrence cited HTF but the difference is: "5. Members are to respect the designated TOPIC AREAS when posting their message. This includes off-topic and sales information that does not belong in the Main Forum area. Those who post messages that do not relate to the topic area, will have the threads closed or the posts deleted.Repeated violations of this rule will result in removal of your membership."

There is a reason I have accumulated about 5 posts at HTF in the same amount of time I've spent at AR. I had a choice to make and made it based on the rules and I considered HTF to be too stifling. Should that environment be implemented here I quickly lose interest, simple as that. Could it happen? I guess that is what this thread is all about isn't it?

Regards,
jc

[PeruvianSkies]

This stuff has been going on for at least 6 years....

[PeruvianSkies]

I remember these people.....so sad that many of them left.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I remember these people.....so sad that many of them left.

What is even more sad is that you thought to resurrect this when it is old as hell. If you have something personal against me, man up and come to me directly. Your beef does not have to play out for everyone to see - you think they want to participate in your stupid foolishness?

[02audionoob]

What is even more sad is that you thought to resurrect this when it is old as hell. If you have something personal against me, man up and come to me directly. Your beef does not have to play out for everyone to see - you think they want to participate in your stupid foolishness?

You're playing out your beef with a dozen people for everyone to see. Let one go for once and just watch what happens. It doesn't take much to bury the hatchet in a forum, in my experience.

[PeruvianSkies]

You're playing out your beef with a dozen people for everyone to see. Let one go for once and just watch what happens. It doesn't take much to bury the hatchet in a forum, in my experience.

Geesh, ain't that the damn truth.

For the record, I was searching past threads (in particular the one that was called "Mutiny on the AR Board" because I recall it being quite humorous and I even made a custom picture for GMichael that I think is still in my gallery, anyway, this thread came up when I looked up "mutiny" and when I skimmed through it I saw old friends.... anyone know where some of these peeps are?

Did they go to another forum?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Geesh, ain't that the damn truth.

For the record, I was searching past threads (in particular the one that was called "Mutiny on the AR Board" because I recall it being quite humorous and I even made a custom picture for GMichael that I think is still in my gallery, anyway, this thread came up when I looked up "mutiny" and when I skimmed through it I saw old friends.... anyone know where some of these peeps are?

Did they go to another forum?

You know this is BS, your action are completely transparent. Don't try and fein innocence, nobody is fooled by this.

[bobsticks]

You're playing out your beef with a dozen people for everyone to see. Let one go for once and just watch what happens. It doesn't take much to bury the hatchet in a forum, in my experience.

...actually it's PSkies taking a swipe at Terrence by dredging up an old post from when T had the sometimes-unenviable job of being a Mod at this site. It's done in a rather "what-who-me?" passive-aggresive style but it's mudslinging none the less.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You're playing out your beef with a dozen people for everyone to see. Let one go for once and just watch what happens. It doesn't take much to bury the hatchet in a forum, in my experience.

I would like to bury the hatchet........and I'll just leave it at that.

[Geoffcin]

Hey guys; This is the Rave Recordings forums, not the Steel Cage. If you guys want to swipe at each other take it there, but be assured that no more of this will be allowed in ANY other forum.

[3LB]

Hey guys; This is the Rave Recordings forums, not the Steel Cage. If you guys want to swipe at each other take it there, but be assured that no more of this will be allowed in ANY other forum.

good to see, however, such a statement might be kinda lost on many in the RR forum; its meaning woulda been foreign to me until I ventured out of the RR yard a couple of years ago. Given that threads like this 6-yr-old thread have been a daily occurance hence at AR (by pretty much the same few members), everywhere but RR, its hard to believe that whipping RR into shape was ever a priority.

[Rae]

Can someone please delete this thread?

~Rae

[3LB]

I remember these people.....so sad that many of them left.

you'd think you'd be the last guy who wanted to play the "dig up past threads" game. That thread you found from six years ago, while pretty much common in the other forums, is an anomally in RR...lets keep it that way. Your recent presence in RR has not been met with any resistance, as most here at RR are either unaware or uninterested in your vendetta against STtT. Your attempt to paint STtT as the reason why some posters' participation have waned over the years is inaccurate and makes your recent participation seem calculating. If you really don't like the guy, why invoke his name in the one forum that has thus far been immune to "those kinds of threads". Leave your baggage at the door.

[Troy]

Terrence, just ban PeruvianSkies and delete this thread.

Isn't that easy?

[poppachubby]

Guys...the recent issue between STT and PSkies has blown over. Let's let sleeping dogs lie...please.

[Rae]

Okay, but can this thread be banished to the archives somewhere? Folks who see it near the top of the page often forget to read the date stamp and the cycle starts all over again. Out of sight, out of mind, right?

~Rae

[poppachubby]

Rae, there's nothing I would love better than to trash alot of these ridiculously moldy and pointless flame threads.

As long as people are only posting their "final thoughts", and not provoking a flame war, I will leave it.

Don't worry, it's being monitored and if needed, will be removed or at the very least locked up.

Thanks for your input and concern regarding the health of the site...