The Beatles--Love

[musicman1999]

Anybody heard this yet?If so what are your thoughts?

[MindGoneHaywire]

I've only heard snippets, although Howard Stern played a couple of songs pretty much in their entirety. I don't know, it seems to me like the Anthology plowed this ground as much as I personally felt like it had to be plowed. Yeah, I know. Two different things. But I sorta feel like there's not much new that can be, or needs to be, done to the existing songs. I've never felt like a remixing was necessary. Anyone disagree with that?

I almost picked the CD up the other day, just because I'm that kind of completist. But although I have to admit that I wasn't enthustiastic about Let It Be...Naked until I actually heard it, this is looking to me like the most pointless Beatles release since the U.S. version of Rarities in 1980.

[nobody]

I haven't heard it and for all I know it could be fantastic.

That said...enough with the f'n Beatles already.

Even if you want to take them as the best band in the world or whatever, they've been disbanded for over 35 years now. There is nothing new to find as far as Beatle music goes.

[Dusty Chalk]

...enough with the f'n Beatles already.

Even if you want to take them as the best band in the world or whatever, they've been disbanded for over 35 years now. There is nothing new to find as far as Beatle music goes.

Seconded. Amen, brother.

[3-LockBox]

I haven't heard it and for all I know it could be fantastic.

That said...enough with the f'n Beatles already.

Even if you want to take them as the best band in the world or whatever, they've been disbanded for over 35 years now. There is nothing new to find as far as Beatle music goes.

I agree...

I've heard this one and I'm aPaul'd. I guess its supposed to be clever, but this sort of thing (mashing, I think its called) has been done before with other people's music (and done better), but its still just another way to repackage the same product. This isn't even all that clever.

I've heard this done before where someone will mash a modern song with say (off the top of my head) a Pink Floyd song, created a new and different track, while managing to maintain the spirit of the original songs, and managing to sound fresh. But even with the cleverest, most mindboggling and artsy of this style of re-mix, its wears out its welcome after one listen. I mean *Who's Next? the Stones? the Eagles? Do we really need to re-imagine Take It To The Limit.

But like I said, these aren't all that stark, or all that re-imagined. It's not like a DJ has surprisingly mixed The Beatles with other sounds or other people's work, just splices of tunes from the same album in some cases and in most cases, the same period; hardly a stretch (kinda like the Robert Plant song Tall Cool One which used snippets of Zep riffs within the song). And the whole thing is engineered in the typical modern, over compressed, wall-of-sound fashion.

It was 25 years ago that another project used the Beatles music to make an 'artistic statement' - Stars On 45...nuff said.

Pass.

*pun intended

[Modernaire]

My feeling on Love is that musically, the way ORIGINAL George Martin and son remixed it, was done tastefully and I feel, feels like a tribute, a collage of Beatles best. Its sort of emotional at times the way songs swing into one another. I found it to be great and lots o fun. I never tire of The Beatles.

BUT when I saw the Cirque footage that went along with the music I thought it was extremely gay. Just bad. Just made me sink in my chair. Its just ugh.

I also very much concur that that Beatles and Cirque should not be mixed. Mr. Kyte is as far it should go...that show has NO connection to Beatles visually and lacks a whimsical or certain Beatle feel if you know what I mean. Thats my view on this release.

[musicman1999]

Great replies.
The reason i asked was that i had bought this dvd-a and all,brought it home listened once and put it away.Did not like it much at all,as 3 lock box said Stars on 45 came instantly to mind and that is not good.The one thing it does do is point out howmuch the Beatle catalog needs redoing,the SQ is much better than my old cd realeases.

bill

[Woochifer]

Sounds to me like this is just another example of "synergy" at work. Since this mix was commissioned in conjunction with the Cirque du Soleil show, they might as well market the thing as a "new" "reimagined" Beatles album. Otherwise, it's nothing more than the "original cast soundtrack" for a Cirque du Soleil production. And how many people out there own the soundtracks for any of Cirque's productions?

The mix would have been done anyway, so obviously they're trying to make a buck off of it. And the marketing of the album serves to further market the show, where most of the seats go for $125+.

Great replies.
The reason i asked was that i had bought this dvd-a and all,brought it home listened once and put it away.Did not like it much at all,as 3 lock box said Stars on 45 came instantly to mind and that is not good.The one thing it does do is point out howmuch the Beatle catalog needs redoing,the SQ is much better than my old cd realeases.

bill

I don't know if the old Beatles albums will be able to match the new mix for sound quality simply because they were mixed on older analog tape recorders. The only alternative would be to do a complete remix from the original multitrack masters. There's only so much you can do by tweaking with a two-channel master tape.

George Martin had to go back to the original multitrack masters to create the 5.1 mix, and presumably the two-channel mix was a mixdown from that 5.1 master. By going all the way back, and doing the remix on higher resolution equipment, Martin avoids the signal loss and audible degradation that occurs with multitrack mixdowns using older analog equipment.

[3-LockBox]

extremely gay

not that there's anything wrong with that...

[Resident Loser]

I haven't heard it and for all I know it could be fantastic.

That said...enough with the f'n Beatles already.

Even if you want to take them as the best band in the world or whatever, they've been disbanded for over 35 years now. There is nothing new to find as far as Beatle music goes.

...I was more into the 'Stones and others at the time and came to appreciate the Beatles much later, your post begs the question:

Which of today's artistes will be remembered 35 years from today?

jimHJJ(...lessee JS Bach, what's that 2-300 yrs. ago?...what's new?...)

[bobsticks]

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Which of today's artistes will be remembered 35 years from today?
jimHJJ(...lessee JS Bach, what's that 2-300 yrs. ago?...what's new?...)

Its a fair bet that Pink Floyd will still be touring... and will be asking for about US$3700.00 a ticket

[jrhymeammo]

Its a fair bet that Pink Floyd will still be touring... and will be asking for about US$3700.00 a ticket

If I could go back about 20 years in time and vist, then yes I would pay $3700 for a ticket. I was at a In the Flesh tour, and it was magical for me. I might still go see him again, but not much left in him as a vocalist.

Gawd, can someone already assassinate the Stones already? Not bugging on others' taste or anything, but I just really dont like them...

JRA

[Resident Loser]

If I could go back about 20 years in time and vist, then yes I would pay $3700 for a ticket. I was at a In the Flesh tour, and it was magical for me. I might still go see him again, but not much left in him as a vocalist.

Gawd, can someone already assassinate the Stones already? Not bugging on others' taste or anything, but I just really dont like them...

JRA

...which one's Pink?

jimHJJ(...????...)

[shokhead]

I haven't heard it and for all I know it could be fantastic.

That said...enough with the f'n Beatles already.

Even if you want to take them as the best band in the world or whatever, they've been disbanded for over 35 years now. There is nothing new to find as far as Beatle music goes.

So whats your cut off date to not listen to a band,30 years,25 years?

[nobody]

So whats your cut off date to not listen to a band,30 years,25 years?

I listen to plenty of bands 30 years old and some much older. I just don't get excited about a crass over-commercialisation of a defunct band's music for a quick buck. They just toss these repackagings out...and in this case let some people slice and dice the tunes, slap the Beatle brand on it and make a few quick million.

I may be occasionally intersted in some music that gets an upgrade in sound...although I'm gererally just fine with old vinyl. But, after 30 years of searching the vaults and repackaging the music time and again, there is no new music to hear, no matter how they wanna spin it or re-edit the same old material.

[shokhead]

I listen to plenty of bands 30 years old and some much older. I just don't get excited about a crass over-commercialisation of a defunct band's music for a quick buck. They just toss these repackagings out...and in this case let some people slice and dice the tunes, slap the Beatle brand on it and make a few quick million.

I may be occasionally intersted in some music that gets an upgrade in sound...although I'm gererally just fine with old vinyl. But, after 30 years of searching the vaults and repackaging the music time and again, there is no new music to hear, no matter how they wanna spin it or re-edit the same old material.

Double talk but thats ok.

[Resident Loser]

...an incidental release to me...the remix was done to accompany a live presentation by Cirque du Soliel...that may be how it will work best.

Supposedly the brainchild of George Harrison, who has since left the building...McCartney seemd ambivalent in the tee-vee piece I saw (CBS Sunday Morning with Charles Osgood) and Yoko...well...she's still Yoko...Don't recall input from Ringo...BTW, who sold the rights to the Beatle tune Macy's is using in its Christmas ads?

Just another way to repackage old stock...I mean do we really need the string part from this cut to be overlaid on another and somehow melded into something not-so-completely different?

jimHJJ(...I'll listen to Rubber Soul and Revolver thank you...and I get p!$$ed when they change the track sequence when goin' to CDs...))

[shokhead]

...an incidental release to me...the remix was done to accompany a live presentation by Cirque du Soliel...that may be how it will work best.

Supposedly the brainchild of George Harrison, who has since left the building...McCartney seemd ambivalent in the tee-vee piece I saw (CBS Sunday Morning with Charles Osgood) and Yoko...well...she's still Yoko...Don't recall input from Ringo...BTW, who sold the rights to the Beatle tune Macy's is using in its Christmas ads?

Just another way to repackage old stock...I mean do we really need the string part from this cut to be overlaid on another and somehow melded into something not-so-completely different?

jimHJJ(...I'll listen to Rubber Soul and Revolver thank you...and I get p!$$ed when they change the track sequence when goin' to CDs...))

So you dont buy repackaged old stock as you put it? No remasters? No DCC or MFSL. You stay with org recording as poor as some are?

[Resident Loser]

So you dont buy repackaged old stock as you put it? No remasters? No DCC or MFSL. You stay with org recording as poor as some are?

...the only CDs I've purchased, that are digital releases of vinyl that I already have, are minimal..So no, no SACDs etc. For the most part, new material for the new medium...with the exception of my faves Dylan, Beatles, Byrds, Davis and Coltrane...and that's because I want something familiar to play on my port GPX CDP($7USD after rebate)...Things have to be remastered from analog to digital, so it hands me a laff when I see old catalog touted with the whoop-de-doo words "digitally remastered"...fact-of-life, digital by-product, BFD...

Only MFSL, or Telarc or other premium audiopile-type disks I've purchased were DTD, half-speed mastered or early DDA vinyl...and the only previously released material (which I didn't previously own) that I can recall was Steeleye Span's All Around My Hat collection...and Springsteen's Born To Run...

jimHJJ(...I see no point in trying to duplicate my entire collection of old records and tapes...and besides many of them are no longer in print...)

[MindGoneHaywire]

Well, that it seems like an incidental release, that's kinda the point. Because, in spite of the numerous greatest hits packages and other compilations, one of the aspects of the Beatles' catalog is that there were few, if any, releases, that were considered incidental. Amongst anyone who's not anti-Beatles, which releases would seem incidental? The original Yellow Submarine soundtrack?

By the 90s it'd been 20 years since the 1970s slew of double-album compilations, and what did we get? No less than four double-CD collections, all comprised of previously unreleased material. Followed by a very different YS "songtrack," an alleged definitive hits collection on a single CD, the repackaging of the Capitol issues, the re-worked Let It Be...I can't see any serious Beatles fans actually dismissing any of these.

This is a different story. For me, there are a few things that would not inspire the indifference I feel towards this: the UK version of Rarities, the live Hollywood Bowl concerts, the Christmas album, maybe even some kind of Rock And Roll/Love Songs combo.

This just isn't something I can care that much about, for the same reason the Dylan musical failed: the Beatles' music is not suited to a circus. Or a stage production, at least not as far as my sensibilities go. But as much if not more than any of that, why remix stuff that just doesn't need it?

[Slosh]

http://www.toupltd.com

[Resident Loser]

Well, that it seems like an incidental release, that's kinda the point. Because, in spite of the numerous greatest hits packages and other compilations, one of the aspects of the Beatles' catalog is that there were few, if any, releases, that were considered incidental. Amongst anyone who's not anti-Beatles, which releases would seem incidental? The original Yellow Submarine soundtrack?

What's "kinda the point"?...when I say incidental I mean almost an afterthought or a product of happenstance...although I'm fairly certain GM and the rest, after having done what they did for CduS, didn't just have an instant epiphany and think..."Why not release the soundtrack!!!"......If I choose to waste my time spoutin' what should be the bleedin' obvious, why try to turn it into some sort of bone-of-contention?... So what's your point?

The Yellow Submarine cartoon was a contrivance, a potential cash-cow as I see it...and even though I enjoyed the 'toon (particlarly when blitzed), it's soundtrack, like so many film soundtracks, were released more as a souvenir...keep in mind this is before home videotape...Was the soundtrack for [The Sound Of Music or Camelot somehow incidental?

This just isn't something I can care that much about, for the same reason the Dylan musical failed: the Beatles' music is not suited to a circus. Or a stage production, at least not as far as my sensibilities go. But as much if not more than any of that, why remix stuff that just doesn't need it?

I can't believe Mr. Zimmerman gave his blessing to what seemed to have been tripe...but I think the more we learn about Bob-O, the more it seems he's always been in it for the fame and money...any social agenda seems to have been incidental...

Beatles music not for the circus? Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite seems tailor-made for the part, particularly considering it's supposed history...Octopus' Garden?...probably more with or without some clever rearrangements...

jimHJJ(...gad zooks...)

[nobody]

Many will be remembered in 35 years. Basically, any artist putting out music that means a lot to some 16 year old kid will still hold a place in his heart in 35 years...just like the stuff we all listened to growing up still touches something in us today.

Who will the self-anointed musicologists and critics decide should be praised? That's a different question and will depend greatly on the shifts of time.

[Resident Loser]

Many will be remembered in 35 years. Basically, any artist putting out music that means a lot to some 16 year old kid will still hold a place in his heart in 35 years...just like the stuff we all listened to growing up still touches something in us today.

Who will the self-anointed musicologists and critics decide should be praised? That's a different question and will depend greatly on the shifts of time.

...submit that the two are completely different constructs...

If I may add some clarification, I don't simply mean remembered...I "remember" Sheb Wooley's Purple People Eater and David Seville's Witch Doctor...I mean to the extent that the Beatles are remembered...

jimHJJ(...and dissected and argued over and...)

[nobody]

I'd have to say on the criteria of current bands being dissected and discussed as much as the Beatles that none will come close. However, that is not, to me anyway, a qualitative argument in their favor...which could be assumed since I'm not really a fan...although I have had I Wanna Be Your Man as a bit of an ear worm since hearing it this weekend. But, its been trading places with some Mitch Ryder as well.

Much of the Beatle discussion is driven at least in part by their standing at the top of a much more unified music scene that simply does not exist today. A band with every bit the quality of the Beatles could appear today and only the sliver of the music public that was interested in whatever genre they represented would give a dam, making them much less relevant in the larger sociological sense that the Beatles get discussed in. Toss in that they appealed to a generation with a huge population advantage over their successors as another ingredient to their continued exultation and the odds that a current band would be elevated in discourse to the extent of the Beatles is pretty slim indeed.