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    Bush's Speech

    So what did you guys think of Bush's speech ? Seems like he's basing the upcoming election on people thinking he's doing the right thing in Iraq.

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    I have to say that I really felt bad for him. To see a President have to struggle so much to come up with words to answer questions that he knew were coming before hand.

    He did, however, do a nice job of not answering some questions.

    To think that this is the man that we put forth in front of other world leaders. Man, now I know why they dislike us and him so much! Do not get me wrong. I would love to sit down and have a beer with him. I know he dosen't drink, maybe he could have a near beer? But this man as a President; leading the greatest country on earth? Makes me think long and hard.

    I have to use one quote. "We are an open country who like openness." Well then, that about sums us up.
    I could go on, but why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bturk667
    I have to say that I really felt bad for him. To see a President have to struggle so much to come up with words to answer questions that he knew were coming before hand.

    He did, however, do a nice job of not answering some questions.

    To think that this is the man that we put forth in front of other world leaders. Man, now I know why they dislike us and him so much! Do not get me wrong. I would love to sit down and have a beer with him. I know he dosen't drink, maybe he could have a near beer? But this man as a President; leading the greatest country on earth? Makes me think long and hard.

    I have to use one quote. "We are an open country who like openness." Well then, that about sums us up.
    I could go on, but why?
    Yes, that is sad to be on a world stage and perform so poorly. Maybe he should have sent one of his handlers.
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    It's sad....after watching that speech...I now know why we are in so much trouble as a country.....when you have an individual with this kind of intelligence running the greatest nation on earth...what else can you expect....thank GOD that his numbers are falling in the polls.....just imagine him being elected for four more years...

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    He is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki
    So what did you guys think of Bush's speech ? Seems like he's basing the upcoming election on people thinking he's doing the right thing in Iraq.

    He even said come November we'll see who the American public will be suited to carry out the war on terrorism. So in his mind that's the only election issue. Man it would sure suck to be stuck with another four years of Middle East distractions while big business cleans out our pockets.

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    Some random thoughts: Bush came across as his usual arrogant, smug self last night. Yeah, Iraq is a center for terrorism, NOW it is Mr.Bush since we went in, the terrorists have come out like wasps from a nest someone popped with a stick. If this doesn't turn into a new Vietnam, well it'll be "Vietnam Lite", if it isn't already. I sure hope Americans got the message last night and vote for a unamimous change in November.

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    60 minutes of myopia, and "24" got preempted for this?!

    GW Bush has had only 12 press conferences thus far, which is much fewer than for any president in recent memory. His performance last night just shows why he avoids open ended forums where his answers aren't available on a teleprompter (or fed to him by Cheney). He tried to stick to the script, but even those whiffleballs getting lobbed at him by the press corps got him wound up and fumbling around for an answer. The hubris that he demonstrated with his repeated "stay the course" rhetoric just gets sadder as events on all fronts unfold. The myopia and hypocrisy of his statements presume that his audience is ignorant (e.g. his statement about the Department of Homeland Security and how that might have helped pre-9/11, yet he opposed creating that department in the first place; and his at length doting about how he grieves over fallen soldiers, yet he has not attended a single soldier's funeral and has banned all access to Dover AFB where the bodies of the fallen are initially taken). He still refuses to acknowledge that he could've done anything differently, or even admit that he's made a mistake at all during his presidency.

    EXAMPLE:
    "QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.

    In the last campaign, you were asked a question about the biggest mistake you'd made in your life, and you used to like to joke that it was trading Sammy Sosa.

    You've looked back before 9-11 for what mistakes might have been made. After 9-11, what would your biggest mistake be, would you say, and what lessons have learned from it?

    BUSH: I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it.

    John, I'm sure historians will look back and say, gosh, he could've done it better this way or that way. You know, I just -- I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet..."

    Even diehard neocon supporters like William Kristol weren't impressed with his performance at last night's press conference:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

    ""I was depressed," said conservative strategist William Kristol, one of the war's most vocal proponents. "I am obviously a supporter of the war, so I don't need to be convinced. But among people who were doubtful or worried, I don't think he made arguments that would convince them. He didn't explain how we are going to win there.""

    More quotes from same article:

    "Bush pledged to stick with his June 30 deadline for empowering an interim Iraqi government to assert more control over the country.

    Yet although Bush was clear about his aspirations for Iraq, he at times minimized his role in their realization. He strongly suggested that it had become less the responsibility of American officials to devise a workable solution.

    "That's what Mr. Brahimi is doing," Bush said, referring to Lakhdar Brahimi, the U.N. special envoy in Iraq. "He's figuring out the nature of the entity we will be handing sovereignty over [to]."

    Bush offered a similar response when asked whether the United States needed more troops in Iraq to quell the turmoil and violence. Bush deferred that decision to Gen. John Abizaid, head of the U.S. Central Command. Those answers clouded the image of resolve Bush tried to convey.

    Kristol, publisher of the Weekly Standard, a leading conservative magazine, said he was struck by Bush's willingness to cede such crucial decisions to Brahimi and Abizaid.

    "Those two statements are in my mind a failure of presidential leadership," he said."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bturk667
    I have to say that I really felt bad for him. To see a President have to struggle so much to come up with words to answer questions that he knew were coming before hand.
    I'm quite sure that he was warned over and over not to give a sound bite to a "gotcha" question that could be usd against him. So, yes, he struggled with how to answer in a way that wouldn't arm his political enemies.

    Not all the questions were known ahead of time. Like the "gotcha" question: "Can you think of one mistake you've made?" - Now do you really think he would answer that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PPG
    Some random thoughts: Bush came across as his usual arrogant, smug self last night. Yeah, Iraq is a center for terrorism, NOW it is Mr.Bush since we went in, the terrorists have come out like wasps from a nest someone popped with a stick. If this doesn't turn into a new Vietnam, well it'll be "Vietnam Lite", if it isn't already. I sure hope Americans got the message last night and vote for a unamimous change in November.

    Let me ask you something. What does Kerry have to offer? Has he spelled out his plan? Has he stated how he's going to get the UN and NATO to take this over?

    Has he said how he'd get more nations to share the military burden? The ones willing or able to participate, already are.

    Has he outlined a plan to take to the UN? No.

    Has he outlined his plan for the turnover of power to the Iraqis? No.

    You're right, you'll get change alright, you'll get a guy that is a socialist and political opportunist.

    The other day he was asked what he would do and he started to answer, stopped and then said he didn't want to admit to a mistake that he hadn't yet made.

    Wonderful. That inspires a lot of confidence.

    I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but this Democrat will not vote for that commie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlisten2
    He even said come November we'll see who the American public will be suited to carry out the war on terrorism. So in his mind that's the only election issue. Man it would sure suck to be stuck with another four years of Middle East distractions while big business cleans out our pockets.
    I totally agree. The war in Iraq is a big distraction. We still have a poor economy, jobs going overseas, health care/medicare issues, social security problems. The only domestic issue he even seems to have an opinion on is that gays should not get married. I think we're due for a change come November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki
    I totally agree. The war in Iraq is a big distraction. We still have a poor economy,
    Really. Why not go live in India or Africa or any one of another countries if you think it's so bad here.

    jobs going overseas,
    And you think this is something new? Of course the fact that we gain up to 4 jobs to support the overseas job is unimportant, right?

    health care/medicare issues,
    And the insurance companies have no hand in this? Of course, Medicare isn't another failed socialist entitlement.

    social security problems.
    Another entitlement program that should have been phased out long ago in favor of incentives to save.

    The only plan Kerry has is to raise taxes to butress these poorly managed socialist programs.

    I think we're due for a change come November.
    And the closer to communism we'll move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLZapped
    I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but this Democrat will not vote for that commie.

    -Bruce

    Bruce,
    How about a vote for Ralph Nader? I'm a registered Democrat, who thought the two main choices in the 2000 election were pathetic, to put it mildly. I voted for Nader. Some may claim that, just like Perot in '92 and '96, it was a wasted vote. However, I see the stronger showing of third party candidates make a statement of the growing unrest in this country of the current two party political system. Maybe, just maybe, it will help improve the choices in the future. It's better than a no vote, because it shows displeasure with the current system.
    Sort of like leaving a $1 tip is a stronger message than leaving no tip at a restaurant. It doesn't say that 'I forgot', it says 'your service sucked'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLZapped
    Really. Why not go live in India or Africa or any one of another countries if you think it's so bad here.



    And you think this is something new? Of course the fact that we gain up to 4 jobs to support the overseas job is unimportant, right?



    And the insurance companies have no hand in this? Of course, Medicare isn't another failed socialist entitlement.



    Another entitlement program that should have been phased out long ago in favor of incentives to save.

    The only plan Kerry has is to raise taxes to butress these poorly managed socialist programs.



    And the closer to communism we'll move.

    -Bruce
    Geeeeeez, la-freakin' weez, Bruce. You and I have been right in sync on these boards for a long time, but here in the political arena I couldn't disagree with you more. This chimpanzee that sits in our Oval Office has been the greatest disaster of a prez that I've ever seen in all of my years on the planet. I've lived under 13 different presidential administrations, and this one has proven to be in a class by itself when it comes to lies, deception, secrecy, bad judgment, and worst of all - a complete and total disregard for the well-being of the citizens. To add insult to injury, Dubya is a complete embarassment every time he appears in public and opens his mouth.

    I cannot fathom just where (other than the Republican Propaganda Machine) you've gotten all of these negative opinions about John Kerry. Maybe there are things about him that I'm not aware of, but whatever his faults and/or shortcomings may or may not be, I have no doubt whatsoever that he'll make one helluva lot better president than the a**hole that we have now. I'm looking forward to November when I can vote for Mickey Mouse or Jerry Seinfeld or Barry Bonds or Martin Sheen or Jim Carrey or Dennis Kucinich or Al Sharpton or Jon Stewart or Chris Rock ... anybody will make a better prez than Dubya - the biggest fraud to ever manipulate his way into the presidency!
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    Hey Bruce....You've got a lot of pent up anger...that's not good for your health....drop that "love it or leave it" CRAP...we've heard that before........Agree with everything Bush says or you're not a good AMERICAN.....BULL****.....we are BETTER AMERICANS because we don't agree.......This is the saddest president I have ever seen....but you better get used to seeing his face because you'll be calling him "Mr. PRESIDENT" next January.....or maybe not ......you could move to INDIA....BYE

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodman
    Geeeeeez, la-freakin' weez, Bruce. You and I have been right in sync on these boards for a long time, but here in the political arena I couldn't disagree with you more. This chimpanzee that sits in our Oval Office has been the greatest disaster of a prez that I've ever seen in all of my years on the planet. I've lived under 13 different presidential administrations, and this one has proven to be in a class by itself when it comes to lies, deception, secrecy, bad judgment, and worst of all - a complete and total disregard for the well-being of the citizens. To add insult to injury, Dubya is a complete embarassment every time he appears in public and opens his mouth.

    I cannot fathom just where (other than the Republican Propaganda Machine) you've gotten all of these negative opinions about John Kerry. Maybe there are things about him that I'm not aware of, but whatever his faults and/or shortcomings may or may not be, I have no doubt whatsoever that he'll make one helluva lot better president than the a**hole that we have now. I'm looking forward to November when I can vote for Mickey Mouse or Jerry Seinfeld or Barry Bonds or Martin Sheen or Jim Carrey or Dennis Kucinich or Al Sharpton or Jon Stewart or Chris Rock ... anybody will make a better prez than Dubya - the biggest fraud to ever manipulate his way into the presidency!

    Aw come on, Woodie! Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think of W?

    Wow, maybe the networks should put you behind a mic if they ever need a true counterpoint to go to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlisten2
    Bruce,
    How about a vote for Ralph Nader? I'm a registered Democrat, who thought the two main choices in the 2000 election were pathetic, to put it mildly. I voted for Nader. Some may claim that, just like Perot in '92 and '96, it was a wasted vote. However, I see the stronger showing of third party candidates make a statement of the growing unrest in this country of the current two party political system. Maybe, just maybe, it will help improve the choices in the future. It's better than a no vote, because it shows displeasure with the current system.
    Sort of like leaving a $1 tip is a stronger message than leaving no tip at a restaurant. It doesn't say that 'I forgot', it says 'your service sucked'.

    John
    Or why not a Libertarian vote? If someone advocates eliminating entitlement programs and putting everything in the hands of the market, that would go more along the lines of their philosophy than anything. Interestingly, plenty of Libertarians have come out against the Iraq war as well (largely because a lot of them are philosophically anti-interventionist).

    Personally, I think the stronger that third parties get, the more true dialog about the role of government we will have. Even with all the neocon puppeteering going on with the Bush Administration, the campaign in a two-party system will come down to courting that 20% swing vote electorate, and in general those voters are the ones who don't want to deviate too far from the status quo and are most resistant to major policy changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis
    It's sad....after watching that speech...I now know why we are in so much trouble as a country.....when you have an individual with this kind of intelligence running the greatest nation on earth...what else can you expect....thank GOD that his numbers are falling in the polls.....just imagine him being elected for four more years...

    I'd rather not imagine or 4 years will be hell for me living with this holier than thou administration that want to limit free speech, artistic expressions, what adults can watch, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLZapped
    I'm quite sure that he was warned over and over not to give a sound bite to a "gotcha" question that could be usd against him. So, yes, he struggled with how to answer in a way that wouldn't arm his political enemies.

    Not all the questions were known ahead of time. Like the "gotcha" question: "Can you think of one mistake you've made?" - Now do you really think he would answer that?

    -Bruce

    Calling on that reporter would have been appropriate. But I was sadly disappointed even in his prepared responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    Or why not a Libertarian vote? If someone advocates eliminating entitlement programs and putting everything in the hands of the market, that would go more along the lines of their philosophy than anything. Interestingly, plenty of Libertarians have come out against the Iraq war as well (largely because a lot of them are philosophically anti-interventionist).

    Personally, I think the stronger that third parties get, the more true dialog about the role of government we will have. Even with all the neocon puppeteering going on with the Bush Administration, the campaign in a two-party system will come down to courting that 20% swing vote electorate, and in general those voters are the ones who don't want to deviate too far from the status quo and are most resistant to major policy changes.

    While your cause is correct, it cannot succeed. The only problem with the two responses, yours and above is that there is zero chance of such a president and an improved chance of 4 more years of what we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodman
    Geeeeeez, la-freakin' weez, Bruce. You and I have been right in sync on these boards for a long time, but here in the political arena I couldn't disagree with you more. !

    Because it is much easier to agree on science than politics?
    Politics is hard to test, an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    GW Bush has had only 12 press conferences thus far, which is much fewer than for any president in recent memory. His performance last night just shows why he avoids open ended forums where his answers aren't available on a teleprompter (or fed to him by Cheney).
    I guess we know for sure why the two of them will appear together behing closed doors with the commission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLZapped
    Really. Why not go live in India or Africa or any one of another countries if you think it's so bad here.



    And you think this is something new? Of course the fact that we gain up to 4 jobs to support the overseas job is unimportant, right?



    And the insurance companies have no hand in this? Of course, Medicare isn't another failed socialist entitlement.



    Another entitlement program that should have been phased out long ago in favor of incentives to save.

    The only plan Kerry has is to raise taxes to butress these poorly managed socialist programs.



    And the closer to communism we'll move.

    -Bruce

    Dude,

    Sophistication will win out over pretenstion any day. Try it sometime, because making an observation that we currently have a poor economy is NOT a call for a radical lifestyle change or change in national citizenship. I will grant you that Americans, in general, are culturally myopic and our economy looks stellar when compared to India or most African nations, but their economic failings are not what we wake up to day in and day out. Accordingly, intra-national economic problems are well worth examination, analysis, and commentary. One should not have to hand over citizen rights just to make observations. There are always less fortunate circumstances in any given political and economic topic and to appeal to those circumstances, however extreme, is logically suspect at best, if not just a cheap refutation. Your unsophisticated remark is geared at shutting down dialog which certainly won't lead to any problem solving breakthoughs. While foregin economies impact the U.S, like it or not, Americans live with the American economy, not any others. Again, most Americans don't have any experience with real deprivation or suffering, but that does not impinge on their right or ability to participate in a national dialog on how Bush sold our economic prosperity to big business.

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    I predict even though Kerry will actually win in November, Bush & his foot soldiers will figure out a way to steal the next term from him like they did from Gore in 2000.

    And, not only does Bush deserve to go for the Iraq mess that has diverted the war on terrorism, he also deserves to go back to Texas next January for not being able to capture Bin Laden. We can send probes to Mars but we can't catch this rat after all this time? Doesn't make sense with all the technology we have.

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    Here is some advice for all of you. Stick to music cause none of you know jack squat when it comes to politics. President Bush has hurt none of you in anyway. His speech was once again a reminder to Americans that the U.S. will win the war on terror. Besides FLZapped none of you seem to have any idea about how the outside world works so instead of actually having a problem with President Bush you just repeat whatever some band says. (I know most of you have to be smarter then to act like DMB fans so try and act your ages. The 60's are over and rock protests are over) BUSH IN '04! KERRY FOR GENERAL SECRETARY OF VIETNAM!

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    No, man - you're wrong. Nostradamus talked about "The Village Idiot" during the time we're in right now. Check the quatranes :-)

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