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Correct me if I'm wrong but...
... Bill Clinton was a hillbilly governor from Arkansas, Jimmy Carter was a hillbilly governor from Georgia. Smacks of sexism.
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Biden with 30+ years experience in congress, widely published, prominent international awards, and who's been around the block with such baddies as Castro, Khomeini, and Il-Sung
Umm, to a lot of us thirty plus years of the same status quo bull**** is more of an indictment than a credential...and if he was so successful and influential how's come Cubans are still paddling across the Gulf on a chicklet and the Middle East is still a mess and North Korea is run by the most dangerous Elvis-impersonating sock puppet in the history of the planet?
You just nominated any lifer on the Cubs farm team for the last 95 years.
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Re. Palin ...
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Originally Posted by Feanor
Weren't they talking in tongues at her local church? Communicating with them in their own languages could make all the difference, yanno. :lol:
Since she speaks all their languages, I presume when she pronounces the name of that country, "EYE-rak", instead of the proper pronounciation, "eee-RAK", she is merely wanting to avoid seeming elitist. :eek6:
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
... Bill Clinton was a hillbilly governor from Arkansas, Jimmy Carter was a hillbilly governor from Georgia. Smacks of sexism.
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Biden with 30+ years experience in congress, widely published, prominent international awards, and who's been around the block with such baddies as Castro, Khomeini, and Il-Sung
Umm, to a lot of us thirty plus years of the same status quo bull**** is more of an indictment than a credential...and if he was so successful and influential how's come Cubans are still paddling across the Gulf on a chicklet and the Middle East is still a mess and North Korea is run by the most dangerous Elvis-impersonating sock puppet in the history of the planet?
You just nominated any lifer on the Cubs farm team for the last 95 years.
I'm just not buying the sexism arguement from the McCain camp... I didn't buy it when Hilary started losing and tried to use it to her advantage and I'm certainly not buying it from the woman who criticised Hilary for using it... It's a sad ploy to generate both attention and to try and appeal to female voters (who make up about half the population)... playing the sex card worked well for Hilary in the later part of her campaign, so I guess they hope to use it straight off the bat with Palin....
Now imagine if Obama tried to play the whole race card and get sympathy from Black voters, how well would that work? Let's see: Blacks make up about 13.4% of the US population... So he'd totally distance himself from non-black voters (the remaining 86% of the population) which = Massive loss in November...
The real reasons Palin gets attacked on her lack of experience is because A) She has none (much Like Obama and Hilary for that matter) B) John McCain made such a big deal of the experience issue in his earlier campaigning, that his selection of a running mate with even less experience than Obama, was seen as little more than a cheap ploy to grab media attention and female votes C) Unlike Obama and Hilary, who have been through well over a year and a half of demanding primaries, debates, media attention and questions to show why they should be selected (despite their lack of experience), Palin has come out of nowhere, has not been put to the test and has been essentially hidden from any tough questions (under the protective umbrella of 'Sexism')... If Palin wants to be respected then she needs to stop being sheltered, step into the light and answer the tough questions (and I don't mean joke interviews with Republican Media on Fox news or Republican townhalls)... She claims to be a pitbull with lipstick, so it's time she proves it...
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I think you're missing the point...
OK, I know this is going to get Tex's blood boiling, but I call it as I see it. So here goes....
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
... Bill Clinton was a hillbilly governor from Arkansas, Jimmy Carter was a hillbilly governor from Georgia. Smacks of sexism.
Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, Carter was a Physicist with a Ph.D. And Palin? She dropped out of college a whopping 6 times before finally getting through with a C average. This is much less about sexism, than about experience and training. She has neither.
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
Umm, to a lot of us thirty plus years of the same status quo bull**** is more of an indictment than a credential...
Only in the US could someone make a statement like that. Anywhere else in the world, 30 yrs experience trumps zero experience, anyday. And if we are to compete in a global community, we had better pay attention to what the rest of the world is doing. Bill and Jimmy may have been hillbillies, while Shrub (he's not grown up enough to be called a Bush), and Palin are absolute nitwits, but we can't afford to elect those kinds of presidents anymore. Do you really want us to be the hillbillies of the world?
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
and if he was so successful and influential how's come Cubans are still paddling across the Gulf on a chicklet and the Middle East is still a mess and North Korea is run by the most dangerous Elvis-impersonating sock puppet in the history of the planet?
This is straight out of a Carl Rove playbook, Sticks. Deflection, misdirection, and obfuscation. Biden stood up to Castro on issues like human rights and political freedom. That people are still paddling over here from Cuba, is only marginally related. Had there been a more pragmatic approach taken the last 16 years towards Cuba, this immigration would probably have diminished a whole lot. People are leaving Cuba primarily because of abject poverty and much less because of political persecution. And that is a result of right-wing political maneuvering and certainly not the position of the majority of people.
Unfortunately Bush and McCain-Palin support the current situation, hence the reason they are still "paddling over here on Chicklets," as you put it. The right-wing unilateral all-or-nothing position that our government has taken towards Cuba is the reason why we're still talking about this at all.
Khomeini is dead, but Biden was one of the few senators who did not support the mullahs, in opposition to the Republicans who saw nothing wrong with cozying up to them to get a foothold with the Bin Laddens in Afghanistan. And that's why we're now in the blowback quagmire we are in now. Biden has consistently supported positions in favor of human rights and the rights of people to self-determination. He supports a split-up of Iraq into ethnic zones, he supports greater transparency for Human Rights policy in Iran and Saudi Arabia, and he opposes the use of Chinese water torture (called waterboarding since we started doing it) and rendering of people by US personnel. He's being criticized for supporting the war in Iraq, but he did so for entirely different reasons than most Republicans did and he's worked actively to redirect our mission there to a more humanitarian and globally supported one. The point being that Biden has been actively involved in Middle Eastern policy-making since the 1970s.
Meanwhile, Palin doesn't even know where Yemen is on the map (she had to be shown when she was informed of the attack this week). Biden doesn't seem to have that kind of a problem, now does he?
Finally, regarding North Korea, a very good argument can be made that Clinton's multi-lateral negotiations (which included the Chinese and the Russians) with Kim Il Sung were on the verge of bringing North and South to the table for the first time since the armistice was signed. Then Shrub-Cheney come to power, re-allign foreign relations priorities and bring back Reagan-era (and outdated) unilateral negotiations and the whole plan sinks into the Yellow Sea. Biden supports multilateral negotiations because they have a much higher rate of success (duh). Our empire-thinking mentality that we still have the clout to go it alone is rooted in a past-sense of superiority we can no longer expect (the demise of which is also a product of Shrub-Cheney foreign policy). And guess what, McCain-Palin support? Unilateralism. Well, McCain does, but I doubt Palin even knows how to spell such a big word.
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
You just nominated any lifer on the Cubs farm team for the last 95 years.
Ummm, no.
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Originally Posted by nightflier
OK, I know this is going to get Tex's blood boiling, but I call it as I see it. So here goes....
Under NO circumstances will there be any boiling of Tex's blood. It'll make all the alcohol burn off. :nono: No sir!
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Originally Posted by nightflier
Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, Carter was a Physicist with a Ph.D. And Palin? She dropped out of college a whopping 6 times before finally getting through with a C average. This is much less about sexism, than about experience and training. She has neither.
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Bill and Jimmy may have been hillbillies, while Shrub (he's not grown up enough to be called a Bush), and Palin are absolute nitwits, but we can't afford to elect those kinds of presidents anymore. Do you really want us to be the hillbillies of the world?
Excellent points (frankly, I'm almost ashamed that I forgot to mention them in my earlier response)...
Oh and having President Shrub at the helm these last 8 years (especially the last 4: fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, WTF???) has only hurt America's credibility internationally...now many will say: who cares what the rest of the world thinks? But anyone, who really thinks things through, should realize that America does not have enough Soldiers, Equipment and Money to fight and defeat the rest of the world... so losing allies and making more enemies is a stupid move... Just look at how many years, how much money, lives and equipment was spent on war in Iraq (which was not a major military threat)... Imagine trying to take on Russia, China, North Korea and Iran alone...
So you might want to focus on having a president who will increase your allies, instead of one who is: a) a war monger b) and idiot or c) both....
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Hehehe, "Carl Rove Handbook"...you guys rise to bait like yer chewin' on a pineal gland. If you really wanna see Rich's blood boil wait til I reveal that I truly believe Clinton to have been the best President of the later 20th century. Most presidents piss me off a couple of times a day...Clinton, only twice in the entire administration's historied run. He's a Lincolnesque Caligula.
I did mean the part about the "30 year status quo bull****". And, yeah, maybe only in the United States but the picture you paint is as equally rose-coloured glasses as is the hyperbolic tyrannical one I brush. I suspect somewhere in the middle lies the truth, or the shadow if you're T.S. Eliot...In any case all these powermongers run the gambit of meandering douchebags to gnashing debauchers to malignant cancers and Biden is a combination.
Ajani, I felt your ill-willed response to be overly dour, and so, leave you with my response here .
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
Ajani, I felt your ill-willed response to be overly dour, and so, leave you with my response here .
ill-willed? :frown5: Ok it might have sounded a bit more dour than it could have, but there's no ill-will...
And that song is awesome!!! Good old 80's music.....
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
Hehehe, "Carl Rove Handbook"...you guys rise to bait like yer chewin' on a pineal gland. If you really wanna see Rich's blood boil wait til I reveal that I truly believe Clinton to have been the best President of the later 20th century. Most presidents piss me off a couple of times a day...Clinton, only twice in the entire administration's historied run. He's a Lincolnesque Caligula.
IMVHO, Clinton was for the most part an excellent President... but he suffered from 2 major problems that will always mar his presidency: 1) He had zero problem with either 'stretching the truth' or outright lying (while this seems to be almost a requirement of getting elected, it's never good to be publicly regarded as dishonest) & 2) He couldn't contain his sex-drive (or at least keep his affairs subtle and private)...
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Can we all agree to retire this thread until November 5th........ :)
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Can we all agree to retire this thread until November 5th........ :)
Hell No!!! You peace loving hippie!!! We want to have a political war in this thread until at least January!!!
This won't end until someone drags Rich outta here in a bodybag!!!
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Originally Posted by Ajani
IMVHO...
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Aj
And that song is awesome!!! Good old 80's music.....
Good Lord! Don't tell me we have a Disco maven among us. :crazy: Another one-hit wonder derailed from the tracks headed towards fame and fortune.
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Originally Posted by Aj
This won't end until someone drags Rich outta here in a bodybag!!!
Cripes!!! First they're trying to de-nature me then they're trying to zip me up! :incazzato:
Sorry fellas, politics are outta bounds on weekends. :cornut:
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"Chewin' on a pineal gland"? "Lincolnesque Caligula"?
Man, that's a lot fer a poor sod t' wrap around the corpus callosum!
Anybody gotta beer?
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Originally Posted by Ajani
Hell No!!! You peace loving hippie!!! We want to have a political war in this thread until at least January!!!
This won't end until someone drags Rich outta here in a bodybag!!!
Peace Loving Hippie???????
Why I oughta club you to death with my crunchy granola bar.....
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Originally Posted by bobsticks
...Ajani, I felt your ill-willed response to be overly dour, and so, leave you with my response here .
Death by Rick Astley? God, it's getting ugly around here...
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Well it looks like Palin is cramming for that debate on Oct. 2nd and getting some foreign policy experience:
Palin Meets Karzai, Uribe, Kissinger:
The opening of the General Assembly also saw what’s believed to be Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s first meetings with a foreign leader. Palin held separate talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe. She also later met with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
...maybe they talked about going salmon fishing?
Wait a minute, Kissinger? Isn't he a wanted international criminal? Why is he still free as a bird?
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Originally Posted by nightflier
Well it looks like Palin is cramming for that debate on Oct. 2nd and getting some foreign policy experience:
Palin Meets Karzai, Uribe, Kissinger:
The opening of the General Assembly also saw what’s believed to be Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s first meetings with a foreign leader. Palin held separate talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe. She also later met with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
...maybe they talked about going salmon fishing?
Wait a minute, Kissinger? Isn't he a wanted international criminal? Why is he still free as a bird?
It's great that she got the chance to socialize with foreign diplomats... but the question everyone still wants to know is: What did they talk about? Hiding from the media is NOT a good campaign strategy...
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What is said behind closed doors...
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Originally Posted by Ajani
but the question everyone still wants to know is: What did they talk about?
Fishing? Hunting game? Snowdrifts? Maybe they didn't talk much at all and there were just these long awkward silences... :Yawn: I wonder what a meeting between her and Amahdinnerjacket would be like... :p
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Hiding from the media is NOT a good campaign strategy...
Neither is canceling a debate when your opponent says that a president should be able to deal with several issues at the same time... Makes one look too old for the job...
...The best comedians couldn't make this stuff up any better!
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When Palin "deals with several issues at the same time"...she gets a manicure and a pedicure.
Oh, the stress!!
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After her latest meeting with several world leaders she has some tough policy decisions to make in the next several days
Matte or Glossy finish..........
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Originally Posted by nightflier
Neither is canceling a debate when your opponent says that a president should be able to deal with several issues at the same time... Makes one look too old for the job...
...The best comedians couldn't make this stuff up any better!
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Russia rising out my back door.........
I borrowed this from a game forum my son visits
I could not resist.......... :D
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What's the name of this game??
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
What's the name of this game??
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I think we have a contest Rich.
Assuming that it is a photo for new video game - name the game.
My first suggestions;
Putin Rising
Backyard Diplomacy- 90 miles to Nowhere
PaliNome- The Adventures of Kayak Bob
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I think this link says everything that needs to be said about Palin:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_129956.html
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