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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
Man she is a cutie, ahhhhh the cute babies. I had two once, then they grew up.......
Tanx... She's the joy in our home. I look forward to seeing her each day.
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I don't care who you love or how you love, just don't post it on the internet unless you're really attractive. Too much ugly porn on the web.
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And there I thought...
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Go east young man. Go east.
...the lyrics where:
Go West, Life is peaceful there
Go West, In the open air
Go West, Where the skies are blue
Go West, This is what we're gonna do
...from another well-known gay band. What would music be without their contribution to the industry? I bet even ol' Sally Kern was dancing to West End Girls in her younger years, lol.
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Originally Posted by nightflier
...the lyrics where:
Go West, Life is peaceful there
Go West, In the open air
Go West, Where the skies are blue
Go West, This is what we're gonna do
...from another well-known gay band. What would music be without their contribution to the industry? I bet even ol' Sally Kern was dancing to West End Girls in her younger years, lol.
But he can't get here from where he is by going west unless he wants to circle the globe. He needs to go East.
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It might be a nice trip...
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Originally Posted by GMichael
But he can't get here from where he is by going west unless he wants to circle the globe. He needs to go East.
... Never underestimate the power of human persistence.
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lil't, really?
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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
John, when it happens in San Francisco(and West Hollywood for that matter) the communities there do not take in lying down let me tell ya! The gay communities in those two cities are quite powerful and influential. Besides, we have the best parade in the country here in the Bay Area. You know this when every marching band and drum corps full of hetero's is begging to march in it. The drum corps I belong to marches in it every year, and it is really fun and interesting to me.
I think being exposed to gay men and women is the key to understanding and acceptance. As I have said, two of my closest friends are gay, and they are my boys god fathers. My boys guard these two like rabid pit bulls, and if anything is said or done to them that is negative, my boys are all over them like brown chicken meat over bones. I live in a community filled with gay men and women, and aside from the sexual preference they are no different than I am. When people understand the "they are no different from myself" concept, it really changes their collective minds.
Not the "some of my best friends are gay" line. Given that your son has a gay god father, I'd expect a little more social sensitivity from you. What if we replaced the word "gay" for "black," how do you think this would sound?
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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
John, when it happens in San Francisco(and West Hollywood for that matter) the communities there do not take in lying down let me tell ya! The black communities in those two cities are quite powerful and influential. Besides, we have the best parade in the country here in the Bay Area. You know this when every marching band and drum corps full of whites is begging to march in it. The drum corps I belong to marches in it every year, and it is really fun and interesting to me.
I think being exposed to black men and women is the key to understanding and acceptance. As I have said, two of my closest friends are black, and they are my boys god fathers. My boys guard these two like rabid pit bulls, and if anything is said or done to them that is negative, my boys are all over them like brown chicken meat over bones. I live in a community filled with black men and women, and aside from the skin color they are no different than I am. When people understand the "they are no different from myself" concept, it really changes their collective minds.
I really wonder if SVI or any other gay member of this forum would say they consider this "fun and interesting."
Oh, that's right, I forgot, you work for Disney...
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Originally Posted by nightflier
Not the "some of my best friends are gay" line. Given that your son has a gay god father, I'd expect a little more social sensitivity from you. What if we replaced the word "gay" for "black," how do you think this would sound?
I really wonder if SVI or any other gay member of this forum would say they consider this "fun and interesting."
Gimme a break! :rolleyes: I've been to the Pride Parade here and it is both fun and interesting.
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Originally Posted by Sir T
I think being exposed to gay men and women is the key to understanding and acceptance. As I have said, two of my closest friends are gay, and they are my boys god fathers. My boys guard these two like rabid pit bulls, and if anything is said or done to them that is negative, my boys are all over them like brown chicken meat over bones. I live in a community filled with gay men and women, and aside from the sexual preference they are no different than I am. When people understand the "they are no different from myself" concept, it really changes their collective minds.
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Originally Posted by nightflier making things up
I think being exposed to black men and women is the key to understanding and acceptance. As I have said, two of my closest friends are black, and they are my boys god fathers. My boys guard these two like rabid pit bulls, and if anything is said or done to them that is negative, my boys are all over them like brown chicken meat over bones. I live in a community filled with black men and women, and aside from the skin color they are no different than I am. When people understand the "they are no different from myself" concept, it really changes their collective minds.
Both sound just fine to me. Acceptance is acceptance. Substitute Jew, Chinese, Muslim, Blond or Martian and it still sounds good.
Stop trying to pick a fight where there isn't a fight to be picked.
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I have no complaints with anything Sir T has written. I would like one day to meet him at an AR get together. Nightfliar thank you for thinking of SVI first as a gay member. I wonder what that is telling us.
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Is SVI back? It's getting to be that time again. Soon we'll be asked to pick between 3 crappy speakers only to end up ingored in the end. What good times. Hope he found someone to really care about him. I didn't like that guy Adam.
Sir T, you can come by anytime. You too Flyboy. Just leave the fighting outside.
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I had debated for several days whether I should comment on his post. I also asked a co-worker who is openly gay to read it because I wanted to have that perspective. He said that while it certainly has the requisite underlying bigotry of the "some of my best friends are _____," ironically, he also advised against me saying anything since he didn't think it would would do any good and because someone could turn right around and suggest I was implying the same thing by having a his input. Well I don't have any gay friends, he's a co-worker, we work together and he has openly stated that he's gay. Big whoop.
But then I thought about who it was that wrote the original post. Lil't works for a media conglomerate who's bigotry is well documented and he has certainly done his best to defend it. More importantly, he vehemently claims that he cannot be bigoted because he himself is Latino and, as we now know, his sons' godparents are gay. Well I beg to differ. Just as I've known several Latinos who are both openly racist and anti-gay, I don't accept the proximity argument any more than that I accept that playing in a gay pride band, or even having a gay god-parent automatically makes someone a pink-triangle-wearing supporter. Maybe it's only for show?
While on the surface the post seems innocuous enough, the fact is it still harbors the same underlying bigotry that serves to keep one group down, in this case gays. To begin with, it presumes that a personal relationship with a gay person somehow makes him an authority on gays - it doesn't. Second it presumes that having a gay person as a friend obviates any latent prejudices - again, it doesn't. Third is establishes a separateness that is beyond the relationship; it's almost as if saying: "he's my friend, and on top of that, he's gay" - the qualifier is stressed beyond the parameters set forth in the discussion. I think that in the end it's a poor attempt at self-vindication and acceptance.
Delving a little deeper into the malady, I find it peculiar that he should emphasize that this gay person is a god-parent to his son. What is implied by that? Is it that "they" are safe enough to have around children? That "they" are good enough to be honorary members of the family? "They" are acceptable in our religious institutions? The post raises too many questions about intent. If instead of saying the person is a god-parent to his son, he had just described a little better what his personal relationship is with this person, it perhaps would not have come off so forced and stressed.
It all sounded way to familiar to the infamous Seinfeld episode where George tries so hard to prove he's not a racist by paying his exterminator who is black to be seen with him in public. It fails horribly because George can never get beyond the blackness to actually get to know the person. Maybe lil't has gotten beyond the gay-ness of his son's god-father, but his post implied nothing of the sort. In a forum about sensitivity to gay people, the infamous "some of my best friends are gay" just raises more questions.
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JohnMichael, SVI was the only member I could think of who was openly gay, so that's why I mentioned him. While I'd like to say I don't think of him as gay first, I'm also not certain he would want us to, although that may not necessarily be accurate. Perhaps SVI was a member who was more openly sexual and that his homosexuality was just a part of that. If so, then maybe you are correct in pointing out that I should not think of him as gay first. Then again, aside from his audio system, we really don't know much about him. I hope he is well.
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JohnMichael, SVI was the only member I could think of who was openly gay, so that's why I mentioned him. While I'd like to say I don't think of him as gay first, I'm also not certain he would want us to, although that may not necessarily be accurate. Perhaps SVI was a member who was more openly sexual and that his homosexuality was just a part of that. If so, then maybe you are correct in pointing out that I should not think of him as gay first. Then again, aside from his audio system, we really don't know much about him. I hope he is well.
Gee and I thought I had been openly gay enough. As an openly gay member again I have no trouble with what Sir T wrote. I agree completely with ForeverAutumn who wrote
Stop trying to pick a fight where there isn't a fight to be picked.
I was also curious as to when your co-worker became spokesperson for all gays? We are all different with different outlooks and different life experiences. Thinking one could answer for all now that is interesting.
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JohnMichael, I didn't know you were gay. In any case, it doesn't take being gay to see that the post was worded with disturbing references - perhaps I should have explained them in my first objection. If I might add, just because you (gay or not) didn't find the post disturbing, doesn't mean that it wasn't. As you so poignantly pointed out, no single gay person can profess to represent the views of all gays.
That said, I did find the "some of my best friends are gay" reference and the other comments to be at the very least questionable. Even his previous post focusing on the sexuality and sexual choices of gay people sounded overly obsessive about this one aspect of one's humanity. Why the emphasis? To me it sounds like there are some latent issues in those words, ones that expose a very definite separation between himself and "them." That this is coming from someone who professes up & down that he is not biased at all only adds to the issue.
Take it for whatever you like. I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone. To me the comments were questionable and I felt I needed to say so. I also think that had we been talking about any other underrepresented and traditionally oppressed group, whether blacks, the disabled, Latinos, Jews, small people, or whatever, the wording of the post would have been better recognized as disturbing and we would not now be debating it.
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Originally Posted by nightflier
JohnMichael, I didn't know you were gay. In any case, it doesn't take being gay to see that the post was worded with disturbing references - perhaps I should have explained them in my first objection. If I might add, just because you (gay or not) didn't find the post disturbing, doesn't mean that it wasn't. As you so poignantly pointed out, no single gay person can profess to represent the views of all gays.
That said, I did find the "some of my best friends are gay" reference and the other comments to be at the very least questionable. Even his previous post focusing on the sexuality and sexual choices of gay people sounded overly obsessive about this one aspect of one's humanity. Why the emphasis? To me it sounds like there are some latent issues in those words, ones that expose a very definite separation between himself and "them." That this is coming from someone who professes up & down that he is not biased at all only adds to the issue.
Take it for whatever you like. I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone. To me the comments were questionable and I felt I needed to say so. I also think that had we been talking about any other underrepresented and traditionally oppressed group, whether blacks, the disabled, Latinos, Jews, small people, or whatever, the wording of the post would have been better recognized as disturbing and we would not now be debating it.
Wow do you champion the cause of all minorities? Thanks for taking offense in my stead. If anyone insults straight people I will rush to your aid.
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I now believe one of our members has lost all of his brain cells, borrowed some more, and lost those to. :rolleyes:
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