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GI's found beheaded in Iraq
I think, for every GI captured tortured and beheaded in Iraq we should line up ten suspected Al Quada members and execute them immediately. The only questions is, "Is ten of them enough to make up for one GI?" Should we make it twenty of them for each GI?:cool:
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
I think, for every GI captured tortured and beheaded in Iraq we should line up ten suspected Al Quada members and execute them immediately. The only questions is, "Is ten of them enough to make up for one GI?" Should we make it twenty of them for each GI?:cool:
...that sort of behavior reduces us to their level...that's the PC answer.
My own non-PC feelings: Everybody b!tches and moans about the supposed maltreatment of the detainees down in Gitmo and then we have GIs in Iraq charged with murder...eeF 'em all, kill 'em all...let God sort 'em out. It's a friggin' war and an unconventional one at that...they ain't adhering to the Geneva Conventions...why should we? The only thing these d@maned jihadists understand is death and violence, I say give them their fill and then some...start targeting some high priority sites and individuals...
jimHJJ(...Gen. Sherman knew the way...)
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Your suggestion isn't all that different than mine. Merely take ten from a high priority site. Execute them immediately.:idea:
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And I'm sure some where in the world someone is thinking, "for every child they bomb we should line up 10 of their children and blow the **** out of them..."
Not that it justifies anything.
Anyone that tortures another human should be punished, severely. Anybody who fails to recognize the value of the life of another doesn't deserve their own.
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I don't advocate torture. I advocate execution. I'm against torture of any type or kind.:cool:
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
I don't advocate torture. I advocate execution. I'm against torture of any type or kind.:cool:
Ah, well in that case, my misunderstanding. Carry on!
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Different kind of war,torture if needed,hang'em when we are done and keep the fricken ties out of it and let ort men and women do there job and get this crap done with. We play my rules when nobody else does,screw that and if it lowers us to there level,so be it. See how they like the taste.
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Those wackos want to be tortured and they want it publicized. I say do neither. Execute them burn the bodies and keep their names secret. The last thing they want is an anonymous death.:cool:
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
I think, for every GI captured tortured and beheaded in Iraq we should line up ten suspected Al Quada members and execute them immediately. The only questions is, "Is ten of them enough to make up for one GI?" Should we make it twenty of them for each GI?:cool:
Ah, see, the problem with your statement is the word "suspected". I'm with you if we're getting rid of the guys that we know are involved.
The problem with these lunatics is that dying is a good thing. It makes them martyrs. How do you win a fight with someone who has nothing to lose?
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Strip them naked walking a dog and put it in there paper.
BTW,they were not just beheaded but so much like hamburger they have to do dna tests to make sure its them.
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It burns the piss out of me that they treat our GI's this way and it's OK. But if we were to make them look at a female without a veil, or make them listen to rock-n-roll then we become Satin's hands.
Part of me says that we can't sink to their level. Another part of me says to blow them all to h.ll.
Frustration: This is the byproduct caused when the thinking part of your mind stops your ID from kicking the living sh.t out of some idiot that desperately needs it.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Part of me says that we can't sink to their level. Another part of me says to blow them all to h.ll.
Frustration: This is the byproduct caused when the thinking part of your mind stops your ID from kicking the living sh.t out of some idiot that desperately needs it.
See, the problem here is that we value human life and they don't give a rat's ass. We need to stop thinking about them as human and treat them like the animals that they are. We put a dog down when it attacks someone.....
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They want to be martyrs. The solution is to execute them, burn the bodies and never release the names or identities. A good ratio would be ten of them for every American soldier.:cool:
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And the world will view us as the evil empire. H.ll, they already do. They torture our GI's & cut their heads off. We make one take his cloths off. We are worse? Bunk!
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
They want to be martyrs. The solution is to execute them, burn the bodies and never release the names or identities. A good ratio would be ten of them for every American soldier.:cool:
The ACLU and some other goody goods wouldnt stand for it.
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How about if we force them to shave, shower, brush their hair & teeth, and eat all their vegies? Or would that be too cruel?
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Wars
During the course of a war everyone involved is reduced to an animal like state.IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Fergymunster
During the course of a war everyone involved is reduced to an animal like state.IMHO.
I can't disagree with you there. That's why the world should be run by women. We'd just slap and kick each other and storm away mad. Then the next day, we'd get together for lunch, have a little cry, hug and everything would be fine. No beheadings...it just messes up our hair.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
I can't disagree with you there. That's why the world should be run by women. We'd just slap and kick each other and storm away mad. Then the next day, we'd get together for lunch, have a little cry, hug and everything would be fine. No beheadings...it just messes up our hair.
I tend to agree.Where fighting our own unique wars here at home.Which is worse,only time will tell.
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Originally Posted by shokhead
The ACLU and some other goody goods wouldnt stand for it.
Let those goody goods go over there and fight the war themselves. It is always those who won't stand up for anything who are the first and loudest to protest American injustice.:cool:
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We have a phrase that i think fits nicely.
"The way it is shouted in the forest, is the way it is returned"
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
Let those goody goods go over there and fight the war themselves. It is always those who won't stand up for anything who are the first and loudest to protest American injustice.:cool:
Serving your country and protesting it's actions are not mutually exclusive. If called I would lay aside my personal beliefs and serve at the will of the President. However, that wouldn't stop me from thinking that Bush was an idiot to go into Iraq, he was an idiot going in to Iraq, and he is still an idiot the way he is going about staying in Iraq. He was doubly an idiot for not finishing the job in Afghanistan with Bin Laden. And triply and idiot for pronouncing 'Mission Accomplished' for some nice political photo op. I could never be ashamed to be an American, but Bush has brought me very close. Kerry on the otherhand is an idiot in thinking it's in our best interest to get out on a timetable. Our troops all deserve medals for serving so honorably under such a bunch of yahoos.
'We' are not animals and neither are 'They'. Jihadists are no different from any other aggressor that blindly serves an ideology. Most of 'Them' were children brought up in a closed society with no frame of reference to the modern world. They are not particularly well educated, and have been brought up on a diet of Martydom and twisted views of the Koran. They've been seduced by promises of Pride and Glory, National Identity, Spiritual reward, whatever. They’ve been told that Americans are the devil, that we’re not human, that God wants us dead, whatever. They value life just, just not ours. Let’s not stoop to that level.
Have some pride. Preserve some dignity. Fight with Honor. Try to behave like the Americans we’re supposed to be. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness and Don’t Tread on Me.
God, I sound almost as bad as JOEBIALEK.
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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North Koera.
I'm wondering about North Korea.Should'nt somone go over there and talk to them.I mean they have a missle now that could reach the USA.They also have been isolated for quite some time and therefore in my oipiion are somewhat paranoid.
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Have some pride. Preserve some dignity. Fight with Honor. Try to behave like the Americans we’re supposed to be. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness and Don’t Tread on Me.
If you turn it into this, then i fully agree
Have some pride. Preserve some dignity. Life with Honor. Try to behave like the Humans we’re supposed to be. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness and Don’t Tread on Me.
:-) There is no generalisation of humans, and i believe that every culture is unique and neither is superior. We all have different strength and weaknesses and we need to work together.
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Originally Posted by Fergymunster
I'm wondering about North Korea.Should'nt somone go over there and talk to them.I mean they have a missle now that could reach the USA.They also have been isolated for quite some time and therefore in my oipiion are somewhat paranoid.
What about the weapons of the USA that could reach much more then just Canada ;-) ?
I agree that NK is a hot topic, but violence against violance never brings a peaceful solution.
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Originally Posted by Fergymunster
I'm wondering about North Korea.Should'nt somone go over there and talk to them.I mean they have a missle now that could reach the USA.They also have been isolated for quite some time and therefore in my oipiion are somewhat paranoid.
If they are foolish enough to try it, then there wont be a NK left after we use what we have and they know it. I dont belive they are paranoid,they are playing the game.
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Originally Posted by noddin0ff
Serving your country and protesting it's actions are not mutually exclusive. If called I would lay aside my personal beliefs and serve at the will of the President. However, that wouldn't stop me from thinking that Bush was an idiot to go into Iraq, he was an idiot going in to Iraq, and he is still an idiot the way he is going about staying in Iraq. He was doubly an idiot for not finishing the job in Afghanistan with Bin Laden. And triply and idiot for pronouncing 'Mission Accomplished' for some nice political photo op. I could never be ashamed to be an American, but Bush has brought me very close. Kerry on the otherhand is an idiot in thinking it's in our best interest to get out on a timetable. Our troops all deserve medals for serving so honorably under such a bunch of yahoos.
'We' are not animals and neither are 'They'. Jihadists are no different from any other aggressor that blindly serves an ideology. Most of 'Them' were children brought up in a closed society with no frame of reference to the modern world. They are not particularly well educated, and have been brought up on a diet of Martydom and twisted views of the Koran. They've been seduced by promises of Pride and Glory, National Identity, Spiritual reward, whatever. They’ve been told that Americans are the devil, that we’re not human, that God wants us dead, whatever. They value life just, just not ours. Let’s not stoop to that level.
Have some pride. Preserve some dignity. Fight with Honor. Try to behave like the Americans we’re supposed to be. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness and Don’t Tread on Me.
God, I sound almost as bad as JOEBIALEK.
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
It looks like animals did something to the 2 that were beheaded and left like hamburger.
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Animals don't kill, brutalize, and maim to make a political point.
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Look,I'm just your average US citizen.I'm only capable of one vote.
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Originally Posted by noddin0ff
Animals don't kill, brutalize, and maim to make a political point.
Animals do all of that and dont make any points,they just kill.
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The question is, how do you kill an idea? How do you teach people the truth when they've already been taught not to listen?
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Originally Posted by Fergymunster
Look,I'm just your average US citizen.I'm only capable of one vote.
You would not be able to say that if you' were a Democrat in New Jersey, where their motto is "Vote Early, Vote Often"
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Depends on the 'idea' you want to kill and what you consider 'truth'. If truth is to accept Christian ideals and occupation...well...you don't go into an islamic country that is jittery about foreign occupation talking about 'Crusades' and offering homilies and jargon lifted from movie Westerns.
Patience. Raise their standard of living. Accept their culture. Show respect. Get the electical and water systems you destroyed working again. Make it safe. Get them media access. Get them an education system so they can have jobs and compete in the world. Help them develop laws that work even if they aren't exactly like our own. Push for women's rights.
Wait a few generations.
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Originally Posted by noddin0ff
Depends on the 'idea' you want to kill and what you consider 'truth'. If truth is to accept Christian ideals and occupation...well...you don't go into an islamic country that is jittery about foreign occupation talking about 'Crusades' and offering homilies and jargon lifted from movie Westerns.
Patience. Raise their standard of living. Accept their culture. Show respect. Get the electical and water systems you destroyed working again. Make it safe. Get them media access. Get them an education system so they can have jobs and compete in the world. Help them develop laws that work even if they aren't exactly like our own. Push for women's rights.
Wait a few generations.
The idea I would like to kill is that all Americans are the devil.
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Originally Posted by noddin0ff
Depends on the 'idea' you want to kill and what you consider 'truth'. If truth is to accept Christian ideals and occupation...well...you don't go into an islamic country that is jittery about foreign occupation talking about 'Crusades' and offering homilies and jargon lifted from movie Westerns.
Patience. Raise their standard of living. Accept their culture. Show respect. Get the electical and water systems you destroyed working again. Make it safe. Get them media access. Get them an education system so they can have jobs and compete in the world. Help them develop laws that work even if they aren't exactly like our own. Push for women's rights.
Wait a few generations.
What you suggest is impossible. Their Islamic culture has no respect for anything but Islam. They don't want an educational system. They don't believe in womens rights. What they want is what the Taliban had in Afghanistan. They can't get along with each other. They are fighting over who is the successor to Muhammad. Most radical Muslims are pissed of that Islam is not the dominant culture in the world.:cool:
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Originally Posted by JoeE SP9
What you suggest is impossible. Their Islamic culture has no respect for anything but Islam. They don't want an educational system. They don't believe in womens rights. What they want is what the Taliban had in Afghanistan. They can't get along with each other. They are fighting over who is the successor to Muhammad. Most radical Muslims are pissed of that Islam is not the dominant culture in the world.:cool:
One could possibly make a compelling analogy with the far Christian right...
Impossible is silly. Nothing about society is permanent.
The ‘they’ you refer to is the ‘they’ you perceive them to be based on stereotypes that you have been taught. I don’t doubt that ‘they’ have problems in their society. But they do want education. Unfortunately the only organizations teaching the poor how to read and write are the religious groups, some of which have militant agendas. But if you’re poor and have no future, and are given the choice of no education or a theocratic one, which would you choose?
Islamic culture used to be one of the more educated and open cultures of the world. I'm no scholar but my understanding is that Islam is a religion that actually emphasizes tolerance. I think the Christian crusades changed that a bit. As a young nation, we don't have long cultural memories and don't really appreciate them and their effects on societies. They do remember.
Yes, women don’t have equal rights and that is something that can be changed with time and pressure. It’s only been 140 years since we were legally enslaving people in this country. And women have only been granted the right to vote for the last 86 years. Islamic nations have had more female Presidents than the US has had.
The Taliban brought, law and order and stability. That's what moderates everywhere want. They’d like law order and stability again. Our job should be to see that they don’t have to get it from Islamic extremists. But who are they going to trust? The enemy they know or the enemy they don’t.
Anyway, brutalizing soldiers is barbaric. It takes a sub-human, wacked out person to do that. But, no civilization/culture has a monopoly on barbarism. The solution isn’t to go out and destroy the ‘Them’ the solution is to make life better so the ‘Them’ don’t form in the first place.
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I think noddinOff is on the exact same page as me. Now that is a first in this forum!
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I knew you could come around!
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Originally Posted by noddin0ff
Patience. Raise their standard of living. Accept their culture. Show respect. Get the electical and water systems you destroyed working again. Make it safe. Get them media access. Get them an education system so they can have jobs and compete in the world. Help them develop laws that work even if they aren't exactly like our own. Push for women's rights.
Wait a few generations.
It's not that easy. One cannot both "push for women's rights" and "respect their culture" as the the concepts stand in opposition. Providing an educational system does little good when the environment in which they live lacks the most basic technological infrastructure and manufacturing apparatus. It would be terribly complex in a liberal, non-homogeneous society with sufficient ways and means (like ours), and most impractical in societies otherwise.
We have spent so much time in our workplaces, our schools, and in our media furthering the concept of tolerence of "other cultures". Tacit in this is the expectation that the "other cultures" will express the same civility and regard for human life and wellbeing as we do.
It is an assault on our liberal sensibilities to find that there are those that will be assuaged by nothing short of our annihilation.
From where do these extremists arise and who funds the madrasahs of indoctrination? The royal families and the oil barons and those that we have funded/supported/armed for the last fifty years. The motivation? Well, if you and your family and a few members of a selected caste owned 99.9% of your country's wealth with the rest of the population living in abject and hopeless squalor, you too might wish to refocus their rage. ( I don't need to outrun the bear, I just need to outrun you ).
Wait a few generations? With an impending Iranian bomb I'm just hoping to make it that long...
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Originally Posted by markw
You would not be able to say that if you' were a Democrat in New Jersey, where their motto is "Vote Early, Vote Often"
That's a good question,who's running this country
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