Would a center speaker matter?

[pixelthis]

first of all, 70% is a big statement, especially since all movies are mastered different.

a true statement would be 'most of the dialogue comes from the center'.

and yet again, good main speakers (L & R), and ghost mode on your receiver (or just setting the center channel to 'no', which will cause the receiver to send the center channel information to the main speakers) can and will perform nearly as good as a center, if you sit reasonably on axis.

so 70% is no more than a relative fact. It's a fact, but not having a center doesn't take away 70% of the sound.

NO its spread out over other speakers. Mainly a phantom center is created with the front left and right.
AND 70% is NOT a "relative" fact, its a FACT period, as a matter of fact that is a low figure, sometimes its as much as eighty percent.
Beleive it or not, its true, I havent read it in one place, but SEVERAL places, it was the case when pro-logic was popular and its the case now.
AND a "phantom" is but a "ghost" of a REAL center, its nothing compared to a real center channel.
One of those bose systems with three speakers, they create phantom REARS
and are routinely booed by those in the know.
AND THEY ARE NOT NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS A GOOD CENTER.
Why people think they can have a decent system with the main speaker missing is beyond me.

[pixelthis]

AND THAT was my 2001 post.
Wheres the big black slab and the homicidal computer?

[Woochifer]

Beleive it or not, its true, I havent read it in one place, but SEVERAL places, it was the case when pro-logic was popular and its the case now.

AND THEY ARE NOT NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS A GOOD CENTER.
Why people think they can have a decent system with the main speaker missing is beyond me.

[f0rge]

Pixx,

when i originally bought my speakers i couldn't afford a center, so i set my old yammer in phantom mode.

guess what?

it worked really well.

maybe not as well an actual center channel speaker, but i wasn't missing anything that made watching movies any less enjoyable.

[pixelthis]

Pixx,

when i originally bought my speakers i couldn't afford a center, so i set my old yammer in phantom mode.

guess what?

it worked really well.

maybe not as well an actual center channel speaker, but i wasn't missing anything that made watching movies any less enjoyable.

Well, good for you, but it still wont be as good as a center.
A "phantom center" should be a temporary arangement at best.
I wasted a lot of good viewing time with cheap centers and "phantom" mode, refusing to beleive everything I read about the importance of a decent center.
Now I spend as much as I can on one.
Which aint much, but a good center is the "center" of any decent HT

[pixelthis]

FINALLY, YOU post something you know about(a big pile of BS, in other words)

[pixelthis]

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/ins...er-basics.html

these guys say its 60% or more
Close enough.
I can pull up links all day long saying the same, if you'd like

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Woochifer]

[emesbee]

This is getting hilarious! Now, come on guys. 60%, 70%, who cares!

[f0rge]

at some point they can become overkill though...

[Woochifer]

FINALLY, YOU post something you know about(a big pile of BS, in other words)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=lame%20out

http://forums.audioreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3707&stc=1&d=1213771962

[pixelthis]

at some point they can become overkill though...

HEY
the guy is just following an "upgrade" path

[pixelthis]

This is getting hilarious! Now, come on guys. 60%, 70%, who cares!

I have to agree with you on that one.
BUT that is not the point.
The point is that a center is very important for decent HT.
Now, if you love music and HT is secondary fine, get by on a "phantom" center,
you will probably live in happiness.
But if you profess to hardcore HT you NEED a center.
BAD.
real BAD

[Rock789]

first I need to point something out... a fact is something which can be proven true or false...
the sky is neon green is a fact ... it can be proven true or false...

second item... in my experience with many systems... I (not saying everyone) can hear a very large improvement when a center channel is installed for dd, dts, audio-dvd, and multichannel sacd playback...
I have noticed this in various price ranges between sub $500 systems to $15,000 systems...

what I notice and what you notice may not be the same... for me, the center channel is most important for movies and equally important to the other speakers for multichannel music playback...

hope this helps,
Mike

[pixelthis]

first I need to point something out... a fact is something which can be proven true or false...
the sky is neon green is a fact ... it can be proven true or false...

second item... in my experience with many systems... I (not saying everyone) can hear a very large improvement when a center channel is installed for dd, dts, audio-dvd, and multichannel sacd playback...
I have noticed this in various price ranges between sub $500 systems to $15,000 systems...

what I notice and what you notice may not be the same... for me, the center channel is most important for movies and equally important to the other speakers for multichannel music playback...

hope this helps,
Mike

It helps me since it supports my point.
Sorry if I seem so fanatic about this, I am usually so laid back.
But being from audio, I DISCOUNTED A CENTER for a long time.
When I FINALLY put in a decent one, not a plastic thingie from an old boombox, etc,
the improvement in my system increased a great deal.
Time spent listening to crap( name any BOSE HT system) is time you dont get back,
basically.
also a "fact" is something that is correct, something that can be proven wrong (like most of what sir talky says) is called a "misstatement" of fact