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    My PS2 has had trouble reading PS1 games for a while now. I dismanteld it a couple times in the past and cleaned the lens with alcohol, a solution that ended up not lasting very long. I guess this will be the ultimate test

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    Dust, which is moved by sunlight shining through even a closed curtain.
    Not to mention that not enough dust will ever get into a player to matter anyway.
    Have you ever worked on a computer?

    How about in a customers house who has 3 dogs, never ever moved the PC or cleaned it for a few years?

    You can pull the crap out of the slot with your fingers it's so thick.

    So, maybe that is what one listens to music on, or watches DVDs.

    Maybe they have a real CDP right next to the dirty little PC.

    I have seen this first hand working on PCs in peoples homes.

    My house is almost spotless, and yours must be too, but to claim enough dust and dirt and hair could NEVER get into a player is just ridiculous to say, let alone think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    I don't need a "technical " reason, not that you would understand one, but answer me this, how does "dust " park on a lense with a high energy diode laser blasting through whenever the device is ON?
    Dust, which is moved by sunlight shining through even a closed curtain.
    Not to mention that not enough dust will ever get into a player to matter anyway.

    Dust ONLY moved by sunlight ? Guess you're still sitting in that chair not moving.

    Ever walk, have a fan on, use heat or A/C ? They all create air movement and much more movement than today's heat from electronics. Just like what "hyfi" said about computers, right on the money there.

    And if none of the above, you may want to check for a pulse. Of course, you'll have critters (ie, spiders) lurking around then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixiedust
    ...how does "dust " park on a lense with a high energy diode laser blasting through whenever the device is ON?
    Isn't dust heavier than light? Does light move air?
    Quote Originally Posted by pixiedust
    Dust, which is moved by sunlight shining through even a closed curtain.
    You've outdone yourself pix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi
    Have you ever worked on a computer?

    How about in a customers house who has 3 dogs, never ever moved the PC or cleaned it for a few years?

    You can pull the crap out of the slot with your fingers it's so thick.

    So, maybe that is what one listens to music on, or watches DVDs.

    Maybe they have a real CDP right next to the dirty little PC.

    I have seen this first hand working on PCs in peoples homes.

    My house is almost spotless, and yours must be too, but to claim enough dust and dirt and hair could NEVER get into a player is just ridiculous to say, let alone think.
    No, its rediculous to think that a "lens" cleaner will do anything, the dirt on the lens
    (if any is there) is inconsequential.
    I AM DOING A PROJECT, showing just how much dust accumilates on my gear.
    IF i don't dust once a week at least it piles up.
    AND then I will show the assorted disc players that have never seen a
    "lens cleaner", and never will.
    Ones eight years old, one is four years old, One at least a decade old, etc.
    If you have a dry "cleaner" all it will do is have a chance of scratching your lens, if its a "wet" one it could leave a film on the lens.
    PEOPLE DO SOME STUPID THINGS(like buy plasma tv sets, lottery tickets, change their oil every 3,000 miles instead of 5,000, but "special" power cords that do as much
    for sound as a PET ROCK) , but that doesnt mean that I have to.
    REALLY, if it makes snuggums feel better to have a security blankie, go ahead and get your lens cleaner, its your money.
    I'd rather spend mine on something usefull, like Talky repellant.
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    Easy there, oh wealthy one...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pix
    Dust, which is moved by sunlight shining through even a closed curtain.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
    You've outdone yourself pix.


    It does...if you have an exploding supernova in your listening room...
    So, I broke into the palace
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    She said : "Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing"
    I said : "That's nothing - you should hear me play piano"

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    That is AWESOME!!!

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    That explains it all...a supernova went off in P's house, blowing the dust(and his brain) out of room. I guess that is why he doesn't think a lens cleaner is necessary.

    Sticks, you are a genious!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    That explains it all...a supernova went off in P's house, blowing the dust(and his brain) out of room. I guess that is why he doesn't think a lens cleaner is necessary.

    Sticks, you are a genious!!!
    You certainly arent.
    Witness the "lens" cleaners and other junk you bought because you couldnt figure out
    how worthless they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
    Isn't dust heavier than light? Does light move air?

    You've outdone yourself pix.
    You havent.
    SUNLIGHT HAS PLENTY of pressure to move dust,why you start sneezing when you stand in the window sometimes.
    CHECK OUT some of the solar sails NASA is thinking of building to push spaceships,
    all of which will have more mass than "dust", that is if you can pull yourself away from the comics long enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    No, its rediculous to think that a "lens" cleaner will do anything, the dirt on the lens
    (if any is there) is inconsequential.
    OK, so lets forget about dust for a minute and talk about hair. I have on more than one occasion had a disk that was skipping or not playing right. After putting my useless lens cleaner disk in the player, it played again with no problems. When I removed the cleaner disk from the player, I was able to pick the piece of hair off of the brush on the disk.

    So what that means is that there was something in my player that did not belong, and then it wasn't.

    Statistics do show that not everything happens to everybody. So, you are the one lucky one posting in this thread that has never had a disk skip.

    Kudos to you, I wish I were that lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audio amateur
    My PS2 has had trouble reading PS1 games for a while now. I dismanteld it a couple times in the past and cleaned the lens with alcohol, a solution that ended up not lasting very long. I guess this will be the ultimate test
    Yes, that's the vastly more inconvenient solution.

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    It should hardly be surprising that a solar panel has more mass than dust...
    So, I broke into the palace
    With a sponge and a rusty spanner
    She said : "Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing"
    I said : "That's nothing - you should hear me play piano"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyfi
    OK, so lets forget about dust for a minute and talk about hair. I have on more than one occasion had a disk that was skipping or not playing right. After putting my useless lens cleaner disk in the player, it played again with no problems. When I removed the cleaner disk from the player, I was able to pick the piece of hair off of the brush on the disk.

    So what that means is that there was something in my player that did not belong, and then it wasn't.

    Statistics do show that not everything happens to everybody. So, you are the one lucky one posting in this thread that has never had a disk skip.

    Kudos to you, I wish I were that lucky.
    If you have hair in your disc player, you have bigger problems than needing a disc player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsticks
    It should hardly be surprising that a solar panel has more mass than dust...
    NOT A SOLAR PANEL, a solar sail.
    A few microns thick, and several kilometers long.
    You can use it in the solar system, using pressure from sunshine, or use(thats right :-)...
    a launch laser to boost it to a percentage of lightspeed for travel between suns.
    A solar panel collects light, turns it into electricity.
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    Can anyone explain to me just how the last posters response corresponds to what happen's in the drive of a CD, DVD, Blu ray player?

    The fact remains that a lot of people live in areas where dust is an issue. It has been demonstrated that the Blu ray cleaner that I have recommended does indeed do its job, do it without damaging the lens, and does it without dismantling any part of the player which can void the warranty. The technology is sound - it generates small suction wind drafts that suck the dust off the lens. Nothing voodoo about that, vacuum devices have been doing that for decades utilizing various wind forces and suction technology.

    If a person lives near a freeway, construction site, has dogs or cats that shed, or does not dust regularly(or uses a poor dusting device), these things come in handy, and are very effective. I have one dog that sheds quite a bit, so lens cleaners like the one I use come in handy.

    If you have never needed it, great. That does not negate the need of the product one bit. It just means you have never needed it. For those of us who need it, it is indispensable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Can anyone explain to me just how the last posters response corresponds to what happen's in the drive of a CD, DVD, Blu ray player?
    Thanks again for your recommendation forty posts ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat
    Thanks again for your recommendation forty posts ago.

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    Jeeze, it felt like 400 posts ago. No probs E.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Stat
    Thanks again for your recommendation forty posts ago.

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    Wait, but 39 posts ago you were told they don't work.

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    Now I'm confused. Do they work or don't they?

    If they DO work, that means dust is heavier than light, right? Err, well, at least dust is heavier than laser beams... I think.

    Anyway, what's the name of this thing again? I wanna go buy one. Not only do I have cat hair to deal with, but I also noticed that after pulling out the lamp assembly from my TV, that I have a fine powder (from the cat litter) that gets through the AC in my house and circulates around. I'm sure it'll help in that regard. Well, maybe not. Light may be heavier than powder. I just don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
    Now I'm confused. Do they work or don't they?

    If they DO work, that means dust is heavier than light, right? Err, well, at least dust is heavier than laser beams... I think.

    Anyway, what's the name of this thing again? I wanna go buy one. Not only do I have cat hair to deal with, but I also noticed that after pulling out the lamp assembly from my TV, that I have a fine powder (from the cat litter) that gets through the AC in my house and circulates around. I'm sure it'll help in that regard. Well, maybe not. Light may be heavier than powder. I just don't know.
    A few simple things to remember.

    1. Dust is matter.
    2. Light is energy.
    3. Dust is heavier than photon's of light.
    4. If properly collected or focused light CAN move mater.
    5. Dust will collect on and in any electronic device that has slots for cooling or media placement.
    6. While photonic energy MIGHT move dust, fans, movement of body and objects and general convection from the heat caused by electronic devices doe a far more efficient job of causing the movement and collection of dust.in devices.

    Worf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
    Now I'm confused. Do they work or don't they?

    If they DO work, that means dust is heavier than light, right? Err, well, at least dust is heavier than laser beams... I think.

    Anyway, what's the name of this thing again? I wanna go buy one. Not only do I have cat hair to deal with, but I also noticed that after pulling out the lamp assembly from my TV, that I have a fine powder (from the cat litter) that gets through the AC in my house and circulates around. I'm sure it'll help in that regard. Well, maybe not. Light may be heavier than powder. I just don't know.
    they don't.
    Just something to waste money on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Can anyone explain to me just how the last posters response corresponds to what happen's in the drive of a CD, DVD, Blu ray player?

    The fact remains that a lot of people live in areas where dust is an issue. It has been demonstrated that the Blu ray cleaner that I have recommended does indeed do its job, do it without damaging the lens, and does it without dismantling any part of the player which can void the warranty. The technology is sound - it generates small suction wind drafts that suck the dust off the lens. Nothing voodoo about that, vacuum devices have been doing that for decades utilizing various wind forces and suction technology.

    If a person lives near a freeway, construction site, has dogs or cats that shed, or does not dust regularly(or uses a poor dusting device), these things come in handy, and are very effective. I have one dog that sheds quite a bit, so lens cleaners like the one I use come in handy.

    If you have never needed it, great. That does not negate the need of the product one bit. It just means you have never needed it. For those of us who need it, it is indispensable.
    Nobody needs it, is the point.
    BUT people waste their money on worse, I guess.
    But I have a lot of dust in my house, and I DONT NEED ONE.
    They werent even making them until a marketing wonk saw a demand.
    Doesnt matter if they work or not, if someone will buy one they'll sell one.
    Not that the issue is if they work or not, the issue is that they are not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    they don't.
    Just something to waste money on.
    SEE rich?
    Didnt even say anything about your brains not working either, etc.
    EVEN THO you left the door wide open.
    EITHER YOU'RE SLIPPING OR I am
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worf101
    A few simple things to remember.

    1. Dust is matter.
    2. Light is energy.
    3. Dust is heavier than photon's of light.
    4. If properly collected or focused light CAN move mater.
    5. Dust will collect on and in any electronic device that has slots for cooling or media placement.
    6. While photonic energy MIGHT move dust, fans, movement of body and objects and general convection from the heat caused by electronic devices doe a far more efficient job of causing the movement and collection of dust.in devices.

    Worf
    Thank you for the simplicity and focus of that response.

    There is the possibility that the dissenter has a point. If one's home were pearched high atop Mount Everest in a vacuum sealed chamber with massive kilometer long windows coated with polyimide or aluminized 2 Ám Kapton then one may have experienced the conversion of light to kinetic foreceful energy.

    If one's rig was on the Space Station Mir...nevermind...
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