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    Quote Originally Posted by Mash View Post
    I was out tonight with a bag, looking for cats. No luck!

    Anyway, I took the BX58 back today. Yesterday morning I tried to open the drawer to remove a CD that had finished by gently pressing the open/close switch on the front and.... I got 3 'opening' displays with some sounds followed by 3 'closing' displays with more sounds but the tray never budged. I used the remote and the tray opened so I changed CD's. When that CD finished I used the remote to open the tray and.... nothing. Except for 3 'opening' displays with some sounds followed by 3 'closing' displays with more sounds. After 8 attempts the tray opened, I retrieved my CD, and then I debated what to do until this afternoon.

    Best Buy / Magnolia has the Pioneer 3D BlyRay for $500 [I think this is a USA unit made by little yellow Pioneers out west].

    Anyway, a Pioneer unit for $500 means I will have to (re)think about the OPPO95 unit. Meanwhile I will pull an OPPO unit out of the MBR system for use in the Kitchen. The MBR system has two DVD/CD units right now because this is really two parallel systems: one for music (tubie/Magnepan/VD 15"sub) and one for HDTV (Mackie/15" VD sub). I will Rob Peter to pay Paul.

    500 bucks for a PIONEER anything is about 450 bucks too much.
    Hate what happened to that brand.
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    YEAH, BUT YOU USED TO MAKE SPACE SHUTTLES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    And you are a low budget excuse for a human being, ignoring the fact that I never mentioned PIONEER, which you get into every thread,
    along with PANNY, whenever possible.
    I guess music sounds just as good from an inadequate player
    because in order to enjoy music requires a soul.
    And you think your cheap low quality set up has a soul? Well, I guess you would if your were a bum living on skid row your entire life...a boom box would as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    And you think your cheap low quality set up has a soul? Well, I guess you would if your were a bum living on skid row your entire life...a boom box would as well.
    WOULD sound better than your stuff.
    BUYING gear with a limited budget takes more skill than getting
    factory samples, BTW, maybe I should try being a corporate shill.
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    So Pix,

    When was the last time you auditioned an OPPO 93 or 95 in a quality playback system?

    Never is what I am guessing. If it sounds like an AM radio to you, it may be your gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    WOULD sound better than your stuff.
    BUYING gear with a limited budget takes more skill than getting
    factory samples, BTW, maybe I should try being a corporate shill.
    I don't think "your stuff" has the quality, but I guess you can believe what you want in your own head. By the way, that center speaker has early reflections and boundary reinforcement pasted all over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    And you are a low budget excuse for a human being, ignoring the fact that I never mentioned PIONEER, which you get into every thread,
    along with PANNY, whenever possible.
    I guess music sounds just as good from an inadequate player
    because in order to enjoy music requires a soul.
    So are you saying that you never said this in post #16 on this thread

    AND you call me an idiot.
    BEING a shill for both PIONEER and PANASONIC


    Oh no, you never mentioned Pioneer at all, it must have been the other high pixelthis.
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    I'm not really excited to get into this fracas, but when ya'll start baggin' on a B&W/Emotiva/Integra system it kinda is unseemly. Kinda "ivory towerish" if you will. Such a system has got to be in the top 5% of HT systems. Is it as advanced as some of the others around? No. Is it deserving of scorn? No. Does Pix deserve to be put in his place? Yes. Did he strike first? Probably. But, baggin' on something that at the end of the day is limited by what we can each afford is, like I said, unseemly. Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlumpBuster View Post
    I'm not really excited to get into this fracas, but when ya'll start baggin' on a B&W/Emotiva/Integra system it kinda is unseemly. Kinda "ivory towerish" if you will. Such a system has got to be in the top 5% of HT systems. Is it as advanced as some of the others around? No. Is it deserving of scorn? No. Does Pix deserve to be put in his place? Yes. Did he strike first? Probably. But, baggin' on something that at the end of the day is limited by what we can each afford is, like I said, unseemly. Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.
    Agreed. I have two very different systems in the same room. One would retail for about $20K+, the other less than $3K. Both are very good sounding systems with their own distinct qualities.

    To me it's all about the speakers. As long as you have adequate source and amplification, speakers provide the most substantial change in a system.

    But then again, a good source like the Oppo 93 and supporting hardware like the Emotiva UMC-1 and XPA-5 can make even the smallest of speakers sound good. I've tried many budget bookshelf speakers in the Oppo/Emotiva system from Klipsch Kg4, and Synergy B2s, to B&W LM1s, to Scandyna Minipods. The UMC-1s EmoQ does a great job of blending the speakers and their particular signatures together.

    Good sound can be had on a budget. The question is can a CD sound good on a budget system that doesn't include a dedicated CD player. This is where we disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfalls View Post
    The question is can a CD sound good on a budget system that doesn't include a dedicated CD player. This is where we disagree.
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    Not the same as my main system but better than most people's main gear I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlumpBuster View Post
    Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.
    I agree with your specific thought but my point is, though I mentioned some boutique brands earlier, you don't have to pay top dollar to get some good results. Markw mentioned a Denon model that has benefited from trickledown technology, HyFi the much lauded OPPO, and I have a Cambridge Audio DVD89 which is respectable.

    A point worth considering is that it is possible to find reasonable solutions within the genre of multi-disc players if effort is put forth...a concept clearly eschewed by some in favor of blanket generalizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlumpBuster View Post
    I'm not really excited to get into this fracas, but when ya'll start baggin' on a B&W/Emotiva/Integra system it kinda is unseemly. Kinda "ivory towerish" if you will. Such a system has got to be in the top 5% of HT systems. Is it as advanced as some of the others around? No. Is it deserving of scorn? No. Does Pix deserve to be put in his place? Yes. Did he strike first? Probably. But, baggin' on something that at the end of the day is limited by what we can each afford is, like I said, unseemly. Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.
    It is not about the equipment, its about how poorly it is set up. Pix uses no measuring devices to set up his system. He says he uses Audyssey, but Audyssey cannot correct a center speaker sitting on a flat surface with a strong first reflection. Audyssey is good, but it ain't that good.

    Also Pix seems to think his system is state of the art. Get real..you cannot make a pigs ear a gold nugget. Pix sets himself up for this, so SB, I cannot buy what you are selling here. It's great that you have some sympathy for him, but I don't. He is the single reason why this website has gotten less and less fun to post on. Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1
    10:1 your feeling generous today. Does it count if he believes the lies? It's still wrong info no matter how deluded, but....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfalls View Post
    10:1 your feeling generous today. Does it count if he believes the lies? It's still wrong info no matter how deluded, but....
    Yes, I am feeling just a bit generous. No it does count if he believes the lies. But I will give him a cookie for teaching us how to post foolishness while under the influence of Vicodin and Percocet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    So are you saying that you never said this in post #16 on this thread

    AND you call me an idiot.
    BEING a shill for both PIONEER and PANASONIC


    Oh no, you never mentioned Pioneer at all, it must have been the other high pixelthis.
    Right, pointing out to you that I NEVER MENTIONED pioneer,
    except maybe as being my first laser player that got ripped off.
    AND BTW it sounded like crap playing CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    It is not about the equipment, its about how poorly it is set up. Pix uses no measuring devices to set up his system. He says he uses Audyssey, but Audyssey cannot correct a center speaker sitting on a flat surface with a strong first reflection. Audyssey is good, but it ain't that good.

    Also Pix seems to think his system is state of the art. Get real..you cannot make a pigs ear a gold nugget. Pix sets himself up for this, so SB, I cannot buy what you are selling here. It's great that you have some sympathy for him, but I don't. He is the single reason why this website has gotten less and less fun to post on. Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1

    I have a 1,000 receiver that is state of the art, as is my EMOTIVA,
    which is not saying much as amp tech has not changed much except for digital amps.
    My tuner has HD radio and RDS, so it is "state of the art".
    My SAMSUNG plays DVDA and SACD so it is "state of the art",
    although four years old.
    AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
    And don't worry about "boundry layer problems with my center, no problem, only "boundry" problems are getting within a boundry
    of you.
    And a ratshak meter is all you need to set up a HT, and if
    you have AUDDESSEY YOU DON'T NEED THAT,
    Oh, my Sharp AQUOS AND LG 42" (july 2010) are both "state of the art" also.
    Only thing not "state of the art" around here is your thinking processes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    I have a 1,000 receiver that is state of the art, as is my EMOTIVA,
    which is not saying much as amp tech has not changed much except for digital amps.
    My tuner has HD radio and RDS, so it is "state of the art".
    My SAMSUNG plays DVDA and SACD so it is "state of the art",
    although four years old.
    AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
    And don't worry about "boundry layer problems with my center, no problem, only "boundry" problems are getting within a boundry
    of you.
    And a ratshak meter is all you need to set up a HT, and if
    you have AUDDESSEY YOU DON'T NEED THAT,
    Oh, my Sharp AQUOS AND LG 42" (july 2010) are both "state of the art" also.
    Only thing not "state of the art" around here is your thinking processes.
    woooooooooo..... real state of the art here!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
    Sampling rate of CD = 44.1 kHz
    Sampling rate that pixelthis claims "doubles the sampling rate of CD" = 192 kHz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer View Post
    Sampling rate of CD = 44.1 kHz
    Sampling rate that pixelthis claims "doubles the sampling rate of CD" = 192 kHz

    Add that to the refresh rate being the same thing as the frame rate and what you have is Pixie verbalrectumbule. Oh and by the way, its no secret that Panasonic never made a dedicated DVD-A player. What the numbskull has is an eight year old DVD player that can play DVD-A discs. Totally state of the art here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    It is not about the equipment, its about how poorly it is set up. Pix uses no measuring devices to set up his system. He says he uses Audyssey, but Audyssey cannot correct a center speaker sitting on a flat surface with a strong first reflection. Audyssey is good, but it ain't that good.
    That is a much fairer criticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    Also Pix seems to think his system is state of the art. Get real..you cannot make a pigs ear a gold nugget. Pix sets himself up for this, so SB, I cannot buy what you are selling here. It's great that you have some sympathy for him, but I don't. He is the single reason why this website has gotten less and less fun to post on. Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1
    I actually don't have much sympathy. He's a grown up. What I have sympathy for is the newbie that wanders on here with his new Integra/B&W system thinking it is the bees knees, only to see it ridiculed.

    You're system is clearly some next level sh!t, but you can't lose perspective that even a humble Integra/B&W or Yamaha/Paradigm system (like mine) is deserving of respect in these forums. Bag on his set up and application, not the system.

    Pix's set up is less than ideal (and his vacuum cleaner is apparently busted), but he is very up front and posts pictures. You used to have great pics too. Get those back up so people can see where you are coming from. Don't just bag on Pix, show everyone what it should look like. Give newbies and lurkers something to aspire too, rather than potentially cutting them off at the knees and making them think their Best Buy system has no place here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    I have a 1,000 receiver that is state of the art, as is my EMOTIVA,
    which is not saying much as amp tech has not changed much except for digital amps.
    My tuner has HD radio and RDS, so it is "state of the art".
    My SAMSUNG plays DVDA and SACD so it is "state of the art",
    although four years old.
    AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
    And don't worry about "boundry layer problems with my center, no problem, only "boundry" problems are getting within a boundry
    of you.
    And a ratshak meter is all you need to set up a HT, and if
    you have AUDDESSEY YOU DON'T NEED THAT,
    Oh, my Sharp AQUOS AND LG 42" (july 2010) are both "state of the art" also.
    Only thing not "state of the art" around here is your thinking processes.
    That is the loosest use of the definition of State of the Art I have seen to date.
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    The highest level of development, as of a device, technique, or scientific field, achieved at a particular time

    state of the art
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    the level of knowledge and development achieved in a technique, science, etc., esp at present
    adj (prenominal) state-of-the-art
    the most recent and therefore considered the best; up-to-the-minute>>

    Your Emotiva may have been manufactured recently but is far from State of the Art.
    Does it use the best Caps available?
    Does it use all point to point silver wiring?
    Does it use the best available Power Supply?

    Your stuff, like most others here is Modern, but far form State of the Art.

    Audessy and a Rat Shack meter do not fix room reflection issues.
    Glass equipment racks are about the worst thing you can place your gear on.

    You can re-post the same pics of your gear as many times as you want, but is is just an entry level modern system no matter how you wish to twist the definition of State of the Art.

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    Intended to no one specifically -- and yet to everyone in the most general sense -- thanks so much for this thread. I needed a good laugh today. Rough day at the office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer View Post
    Sampling rate of CD = 44.1 kHz
    Sampling rate that pixelthis claims "doubles the sampling rate of CD" = 192 kHz

    GOD, you really don't understand anything, do you?
    It has 192khz dacs, and a special feature, called "remaster",
    which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
    DON'T know what inflation is so I shouldn't be surprized.
    TAKE a look below, the remaster button is to the left of the display, and the 192khz is in the upper right corner.
    Better not talk about TALKYS employers like that, he might have a hissy fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    GOD, you really don't understand anything, do you?
    Yeah, I don't understand bad math -- I prefer to state correct information the first time rather than repeating errors over and over like you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    It has 192khz dacs, and a special feature, called "remaster",
    which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
    DON'T know what inflation is so I shouldn't be surprized.
    TAKE a look below, the remaster button is to the left of the display, and the 192khz is in the upper right corner.
    Better not talk about TALKYS employers like that, he might have a hissy fit.
    Again, 192 kHz does not equal 44.1 x 2. Your math fails you, and you keep deluding yourself that you're right.

    Are you now claiming that the DVD-A format itself doubles CD sampling rates, or that this is all connected to "inflation"?

    Or is this just more deflection and changing the subject, because you got caught in yet another nonsensical claim? These feeble efforts of yours are always good for a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer View Post
    Yeah, I don't understand bad math -- I prefer to state correct information the first time rather than repeating errors over and over like you do.



    Again, 192 kHz does not equal 44.1 x 2. Your math fails you, and you keep deluding yourself that you're right.

    Are you now claiming that the DVD-A format itself doubles CD sampling rates, or that this is all connected to "inflation"?

    Or is this just more deflection and changing the subject, because you got caught in yet another nonsensical claim? These feeble efforts of yours are always good for a laugh.
    THE THING I absolutely hate about you govt wonks is your
    total lack of integrity WHATSOEVER.
    When you feel too lazy to lie you just make stuff UP.
    YOU know good and well you are talking about apples and
    oranges, the 192khz dacs have nothing to do with
    remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of any CD played.
    Or have you been telling stories so long that you really have forgotten what the truth is???
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