Question on Toslink Cables for TV Sound & Great Power Cord Tweak for CD Audio

[markw]

Duh, y'know that cupholder requires a power cord, don't you?

Yeah, but does a fancy power cord keep the coffee warmer?

[GMichael]

Yeah, but does a fancy power cord keep the coffee warmer?

Nah.. Just keeps it fresher.

[N. Abstentia]

I have one with 5 cupholders. The cups fall off as it rotates though, that's crap.

[pixelthis]

I have one with 5 cupholders. The cups fall off as it rotates though, that's crap.

Thats a five disc changer, you put CD'S in, not cups.
The human animal is a lousy witness, and memory tends to blur over time as to what we actually did witness.
You're power cord won't change the signal a bit, but its real big and hefty, and cost a couple of hundred bucks, so it must work, right?
Wrong.
PEOPLE have died from observing something incorrectly.
At least all you did was waste some money.
Enjoy watching your cupholder.

[EdwardGein]

It totally made the sound better. I don't mind if you don't think it can but as you haven't listened to it you shouldn't make a definite opinion on something you didn't observe first hand. 3 People in this websites section also say otherwise to you. Are you saying that this websites review section is worthless and has no credibility or just when you don't agree with it?

[markw]

It totally made the sound better. I don't mind if you don't think it can but as you haven't listened to it you shouldn't make a definite opinion on something you didn't observe first hand. 3 People in this websites section also say otherwise to you. Are you saying that this websites review section is worthless and has no credibility or just when you don't agree with it?

We're just saying your opinion is worthless and you have no credibility with us. As for the others that say it makes a difference, let's just say we're mighty skeptical.

have a good one, hersh.

[markw]

PEOPLE have died from observing something incorrectly.
At least all you did was waste some money.

An autopsy professor was giving an introductory lecture to a class of students. Standing over a corpse, he addressed the class. 'There are two things you need to make a career in medical forensics. First, you must have no fear.' Having said that, he shoved his finger up the corpse's anus and licked it. 'Now you must do the same,' he told the class.

After a couple of minutes of uneasy silence, the class did as instructed.

'Second,' the professor continued, 'you must have an acute sense of observation. For instance, how many of you noticed that I put my middle finger up this man's anus, but licked my index finger?'

[GMichael]

It totally made the sound better. I don't mind if you don't think it can but as you haven't listened to it you shouldn't make a definite opinion on something you didn't observe first hand. 3 People in this websites section also say otherwise to you. Are you saying that this websites review section is worthless and has no credibility or just when you don't agree with it?

Hi Ed,

If it makes your listening experience any better, then screw what anybody, or any tests, have to say. All that matters is that it makes you enjoy it more. Others may want to put that cash into something else. That's ok too. We'll all do what means the most to each of us. And it's in our nature to debate who's way is right, or best. IMO at our level of equipment, $300 would be better spent on room treatments. If someone has a $20,000 system, then what the h.ll. Another $300 on a power cord seems like a no brainer. Why not take advantage of any improvement possible (plausible or not) if you have that kind of money. That said,

N. Ab,

What happens if you use Styrofoam cups?

[GMichael]

An autopsy professor was giving an introductory lecture to a class of students. Standing over a corpse, he addressed the class. 'There are two things you need to make a career in medical forensics. First, you must have no fear.' Having said that, he shoved his finger up the corpse's anus and licked it. 'Now you must do the same,' he told the class.

After a couple of minutes of uneasy silence, the class did as instructed.

'Second,' the professor continued, 'you must have an acute sense of observation. For instance, how many of you noticed that I put my middle finger up this man's anus, but licked my index finger?'

Didn't I tell you that one?

[Kevio]

PEOPLE have died from observing something incorrectly.
At least all you did was waste some money.
Enjoy watching your cupholder.

There was some recent research on this. I can't find a citation at the moment. You typically won't die from observing something incorrectly. The bigger risk is failing to observe something. If you become hyper-observant, the consequence is inefficient superstitious behavior. Since death takes you out of the gene pool and superstition does not, evolution favors erring in the direction of observing things that aren't there.

[GMichael]

There was some recent research on this. I can't find a citation at the moment. You typically won't die from observing something incorrectly. The bigger risk is failing to observe something. If you become hyper-observant, the consequence is inefficient superstitious behavior. Since death takes you out of the gene pool and superstition does not, evolution favors erring in the direction of observing things that aren't there.

Is that why the world seems to be filling up with paranoid namby pambies who are more worried about being PC than getting the job done?

[Kevio]

It explains paranoia and specifically the effectiveness of fear-based rhetoric. I don't see how it explains political correctness. Nice try.

[N. Abstentia]

If a power cord makes that much difference in how a CD player sounds, imagine what upgrading the internal power supply would do. Then of course you'd want to upgrade all the circuit board traces to improve it even more. Then of course you need to upgrade the analog output connections for even better sound. Drop a few grand on upgrades, THEN you'll have a good sounding CD player.

[pixelthis]

It totally made the sound better. I don't mind if you don't think it can but as you haven't listened to it you shouldn't make a definite opinion on something you didn't observe first hand. 3 People in this websites section also say otherwise to you. Are you saying that this websites review section is worthless and has no credibility or just when you don't agree with it?

You can get a thousand people to say the same thing , doesnt matter.
That cord wont change diddly squat, so you can't hear something that doesnt exist.
Its a little thing they hardly teach in school anymore, something called science
I don't need to see Newton get hit in the head to understand gravity.
Power amps need hefty cords, they use a lot of amps.
CD players not so much.
And the better the CD player the less of an "effect" (if any ) your cord will have.
Why? BECAUSE A CD PLAYER has a power supply with diodes, capacitors, etc,
and if its a good one it has two, one for audio, the other for the mechanicals.
And these power supplies are designed to produce a certain voltage and current at
certain specified values, in other words they are doing everything they can to provide a certain result, if your cord will change anything they will change it back, thats their job.
In other words if your cord produces a "change" that surrives the rigorus cleansing
that the electricals in your CD player give voltage and current then that means one
thing... your CD PLAYER IS BROKEN.
Hate to be the one to tell ya.

[GMichael]

It explains paranoia and specifically the effectiveness of fear-based rhetoric. I don't see how it explains political correctness. Nice try.

Have you tried standing on your head?

[Kevio]

Yes, I do yoga.

[GMichael]

Can you see it better from that angle?

[pixelthis]

There was some recent research on this. I can't find a citation at the moment. You typically won't die from observing something incorrectly. The bigger risk is failing to observe something. If you become hyper-observant, the consequence is inefficient superstitious behavior. Since death takes you out of the gene pool and superstition does not, evolution favors erring in the direction of observing things that aren't there.

Failing to observe something is the numero uno cause of death.
For instance, teh guy who crosses the street , failing to "observe" the moving van.
The guy who fails to observe the wedding band on girlfriends finger.
The commie country leader with first gen nukes who fails to "observe" the superpower
with 10,000 fifth gen ones.
And I could go on.

[GMichael]

What Ice? I didn't notice any ice.

[pixelthis]

What Ice? I didn't notice any ice.

Just gets in the way of your whiskey, as a general rule.
HEY, heard about the bankruptcy, sorry bout that

[musicman1999]

Hi Ed

I recently added a couple of Shunyata Research power cables to my system, for pre-pro and cd player, and found both made a difference. Not daylight and dark, but enough to justify the expense. The cables are heavily shielded and i believe this is where the improvement comes from.

bill

[TerrorByte]

I've been spoiled so much by the True HD Sound, I'm now obsessed with improving my TV 5.1 Digital Sound which totally pales to True HD Sound and was wondering if I use a better glass fiber optic cable for my sound if I'll notice that much of a difference?

No, because True HD, and DTS-HD can not pass through an optical cable, they do not support the bandwidth. Unless you have your BD player hooked up to an AVR that supports TrueHD/DTS-HD, via HMDI, and a 7.1 speaker system you have only been hearing the core AC3 (Dolby Digital), or DTS streams. And no, the TOS link isn't going to make the 0's and 1's sound better.

[anamorphic96]

No, because True HD, and DTS-HD can not pass through an optical cable, they do not support the bandwidth. Unless you have your BD player hooked up to an AVR that supports TrueHD/DTS-HD, via HMDI, and a 7.1 speaker system you have only been hearing the core AC3 (Dolby Digital), or DTS streams. And no, the TOS link isn't going to make the 0's and 1's sound better.

He is talking about using the toslink between his tv cable box and receiver to see if he can improve his 5.1 sound for TV shows.

His Blue Ray player is doing the decoding for movies. So he is hearing True HD and DTS HD. He is running six analog cables into his Denon receivers external analog inputs.

And by the way Ed the toslink cable will make no difference. There ones and zeros and either on or off.

[markw]

Since when does hershon listen to any advice that doesn't affirm what he wants to believe?

[TerrorByte]

He is talking about using the toslink between his tv cable box and receiver to see if he can improve his 5.1 sound for TV shows.

His Blue Ray player is doing the decoding for movies. So he is hearing True HD and DTS HD. He is running six analog cables into his Denon receivers external analog inputs.

And by the way Ed the toslink cable will make no difference. There ones and zeros and either on or off.

I can only read what is posted, which contains nothing about him using other connections .