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    kexodusc, you know a heck of a lot, esp. when compared to...what do they call it...a newbie. You seem to know a lot and exactly what you're talking about makes a whole lot of sense...Actually I remember before when yamaha's were a lot more expensive. I remember seeing my friend had one and wondering how he could afford it...looked like a dream to me and now I've actually got one. Actually I've always known they were very prestigius. I never knew names like rotel sunfire paradigm etc until I found here. Actually I kind of always had real good senses when it came to electronics...No...the reciever is awesome and like the other fellow said if you get anywhere near zero db it's going to damage hearing anyways and you hear it outside. This is the one for me, I'm actually astounded at everything I got for the money. A good start for me...I finally got everything I wanted now. I got the cerwins because I'm just attracted to them but just like the reciever I had doubts but now I'm just happy that I put this thing together this way and I realize the cerwins are actually what was supposed to be for this system for me and I just used the center for the first time and I was really impressed...What really impressed me was this thing you call a midwoofer...that thing sounds f!@!## awesome. Right now I'm just alternating between a few cds (2pac, eazy-e, love songs, nwa, tecno) I'm very perticular about what I'll listen to and at certain times I wont go near 2pac or the love songs because they mess with me a bit sometimes...But actually when I'm going to bed I put on the slow songs and that's always a good way to make a good atmosphere for rest. This has added depth to movies too...movies are at least 2000% better now. Actually I noticed the yamaha's clarity is really good, just actually picking up this really nice acoustics sound from it sounds like a guitar not a speaker...Sounds better than a guitar...This is a bomb system for me...I know there's better but I'll just stay ignorant to that. Like if you get a camaro v8 you gotta enjoy and like that one and not compare it to the corvette. I just don't like being ripped off but who the hell does? Actuallly I got the last 4 cv v-series 12" in ontario from 2001 audvid. I think too many people were going deaf and they HAD TO DISH THEM TO AVOID LAWSUITS. Anyways I got em a few months ago and all I was thinking about was bass...would have got 15's if I could. Actually I got in a lot of **** for them, almost evicted, but that's not really my fault...a lot of people aren't nice to me. Actually if I had a proper place I'd like a sub or two, more amps, etc but for now this will hold me over. How's that sub working out kexodusc...I've lost a bit of money recently and I'm feeling bad about it but if I learn from it it only makes me more experienced and wiser. Kexodusc...what do you think about jvcs products...I'll be back...thanks.
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    I don't really hear much about JVC, but that's probably a GOOD thing...With brands like Sony, Kenwood, JVC, Panasonic and Pioneer being sold in place like Sears, you usually hear a ton of bad feedback about them...I think that's BS, though, a lot of Sony, Panasonic, and Pioneer stuff is really good, and just because they're not sold at some high end audio-snob shop doesn't mean they're any less capable.
    I have a 6 year old JVC 32" TV and it works fine, has a billion hours on it, and doesn't seem any worse for wear.
    From what I understand, many JVC components (including my TV) have some chipsets and components made by Matsu****a (The company that owns Panasonic/Technics). I've read good things about their DVD players.
    Your best bet is to ask questions here about specific models, do some research. Most manufacturers make decent stuff, but every once in a blue moon, they design a lemon...you want to avoid that stuff.

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    Geoffcin, this documentation was on audioholics a few months ago on their forums and people were asked about which is their favorite brand reciever and a lot of people were pro-yamaha, I doubt that I should buy a reciever based on a pole alone, and the ears are the best judge. I had to make a budget buy and the htr5760 was there at the time and it does kind of outweigh the competition in features and value at the $550 dollar "storebought" price range. They want 699 for the pioneer (vsxd1014txk) at the other store. When I get some real money I'd have to do some serious auditioning and not just get the one that rates or seems best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. budget
    Geoffcin, this documentation was on audioholics a few months ago on their forums and people were asked about which is their favorite brand reciever and a lot of people were pro-yamaha, I doubt that I should buy a reciever based on a pole alone, and the ears are the best judge. I had to make a budget buy and the htr5760 was there at the time and it does kind of outweigh the competition in features and value at the $550 dollar "storebought" price range. They want 699 for the pioneer (vsxd1014txk) at the other store. When I get some real money I'd have to do some serious auditioning and not just get the one that rates or seems best.
    Well, I am compelled to add my two cents here folks. First of all, the yammie rxv-650 and the htr-5760 are NOT the same even though they look a feel indentical. True, both are made by Yamaha and come from the same manufacturing processes. However, the rxv series power rating are true ratings in that the 95rms X 7 channels are rated from 20 Hz -20 K Hz across all 7 channels. On the other hand, the htr series power ratings are based on the rms power at 1,000 Hz. In other words, that power is guaranteed only at the 1,000 Hz range not across the full bandwidth. What does this mean, basically the rxv series is a better with respect to true power ratings. I am not overly concerned what it will do dynamically as I am much more concerned with what I get All the time. Pioneer rates all of their receivers based on what they do at say 1,000 Hz or 1khz. The same holds for their elite models. I love my rxv-650 and it is by far the best receiver I have ever owned. I plan on buying thr rxv-2400 or the 2500 as soon as I get the money together. One thing I must point out about my yammie is that I can turn it all the way to "0" and it still is quite stable at that point. This is why I love it so much. It is layed back and I can turn it up to insane levels yet is still won't break a sweat. I never could do that with my Onkyo or Sony let alone my Pioneer. Personally, I believe that yammie and Denon make the best receivers period. I also like the Onkyo and HK too but either of them can do what my yammie does. Just thought I would clarify a few things here and I hope this helps you feel as though you made a good descision. By the way, I am a Paradigm and yammie fan for life!!!!!

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    No the rxv650 and htr5760 are exact identicals in all respects (except faceplate or something),,.so are these the same... respectively, htr575/rxv550, htr574/rxv450, htr573/rxv350. They are all the same power...see www.yamaha.com on it's US side and do comparisons.

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    True same power ratings but NOT true how the power is rated. Go to the FAQ link and you can read for yourself. It will explain this to you and explain why the HTR line is sold to mass merchants/on-line and fully authorized. In other words, the RXV line is not authorized by Yamaha to be sold on line or to mass merchants like Best Buy only to independent dealers nationwide. An amp rated at 1,000 Hz will not give you as much power as an amp rated to give power across the full bandwidth of 20 Hz to 20K Hz. Anyways, I ma just trying to be helpfull not a know it all so to speak. Looks like you have a nice setup. Where are you from?
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    The 5760 and 650 are close enough that you won't be able to tell the difference. Enjoy your 5760; it's a very nice receiver!

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    There is so much bad information in oddeoowphil38's post

    Quote Originally Posted by oddeoowphil38
    Well, I am compelled to add my two cents here folks. First of all, the yammie rxv-650 and the htr-5760 are NOT the same even though they look a feel indentical.
    They actually look a bit different.
    Quote Originally Posted by oddeoowphil38
    However, the rxv series power rating are true ratings in that the 95rms X 7 channels are rated from 20 Hz -20 K Hz across all 7 channels.
    Not exactly - pay careful attention to the rating methods...Both RX-V and HTR lines are rated using the goofy "receiver" rating scheme...the amp is capable of 95 watts into 2 channels across the full bandwidth...as you add more channels to the mix, this begins to drop considerably...In this Yamaha's case, I would suspect it to be around 35 to 40 watts/channel with all channels driven..this is quite good.
    Quote Originally Posted by oddeoowphil38
    On the other hand, the htr series power ratings are based on the rms power at 1,000 Hz. In other words, that power is guaranteed only at the 1,000 Hz range not across the full bandwidth. What does this mean, basically the rxv series is a better with respect to true power ratings.
    This is NOT true! The HTR line does represent it's ratings using the 1kHz sine wave method...but also measures them the exact same way the RX-V line does (and you could easily run the 1 kHz test on the RX-V line - which does happen in some markets)...this is clearly indicated in the manuals. The truth is these things are speced the same and should perform identically...regardless of which test results are presented in product literature.
    Quote Originally Posted by oddeoowphil38
    I am not overly concerned what it will do dynamically as I am much more concerned with what I get All the time. Pioneer rates all of their receivers based on what they do at say 1,000 Hz or 1khz. The same holds for their elite models.
    If you are concerned at all, you should do a bit more research on the issue. Pioneer rates their receivers using both methods, as many do...there is a lot of sense in selecting 1 kHz to do the test...this is more typical of the true playback of most sources. The 20Hz to 20 kHz rating is almost always just a few watts less. Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer, etc use these rating schemes to try to provide some sense of comparability to the likes of Kenwood, Sony, etc, who tend to present the highest number possible without qualification. I don't blame them one bit, if consumer ignorance persuades them to buy a Sony rated at 100 watts because it appears more powerful than a Harman Kardon rated at 35 watts, then beat them at their own game. Generally (but not always) an amplifier will rate higher at all tests if it is in fact more powerful.

    As for the Pioneer and Yamaha's, well, you can bet most Pioneer models will have more true power capable of being simultaneously delivered, full bandwidth, to all channels than a comparable Yamaha. Does this make it sound better? Not necessarily - power and sound quality aren't the same thing. Is the extra power needed...probably not, and if the Yamaha isn't enough power, the Pioneer isn't going to give you much more at all.

    Most of us would listen to loud music at 1/2 to 5 watts per channel. ...the difference between 50 watts/channel and 100 watts per channel is 3 dB...barely noticeable in most cases...Kind of makes these 100 watt figures a bit less meaningful.
    Power is important, but if you were to look at the difference in power between the RX-V650 and 750 (10 watts or something foolish), it's not even enough to generate 1 more decibel!!! If you need more power, you should start by no less than doubling what you currently have in your amplifier/receiver...

    Quote Originally Posted by oddeoowphil38
    One thing I must point out about my yammie is that I can turn it all the way to "0" and it still is quite stable at that point. This is why I love it so much. It is layed back and I can turn it up to insane levels yet is still won't break a sweat. I never could do that with my Onkyo or Sony let alone my Pioneer.
    The "0" reference level is arbitrary and varies from one manufacturer to the next...the Yamaha's are capable of going to + 12 or + 16 dB...at the "0" level, your amp is delivering somewhere around 6 watts per channel on average...dynamic peaks in the music or soundtrack will sent this into the 90's and possibly beyond...depending of couse on the signal strenght of the input source (but that's another topic).
    I can't speak for older Pioneers, but the new ones are quite powerful...usually more so than the same priced Yamaha and Denons...I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a Pioneer Elite, or one of the larger Pioneers today.

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    Ok

    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    They actually look a bit different.

    Not exactly - pay careful attention to the rating methods...Both RX-V and HTR lines are rated using the goofy "receiver" rating scheme...the amp is capable of 95 watts into 2 channels across the full bandwidth...as you add more channels to the mix, this begins to drop considerably...In this Yamaha's case, I would suspect it to be around 35 to 40 watts/channel with all channels driven..this is quite good.

    This is NOT true! The HTR line does represent it's ratings using the 1kHz sine wave method...but also measures them the exact same way the RX-V line does (and you could easily run the 1 kHz test on the RX-V line - which does happen in some markets)...this is clearly indicated in the manuals. The truth is these things are speced the same and should perform identically...regardless of which test results are presented in product literature.

    If you are concerned at all, you should do a bit more research on the issue. Pioneer rates their receivers using both methods, as many do...there is a lot of sense in selecting 1 kHz to do the test...this is more typical of the true playback of most sources. The 20Hz to 20 kHz rating is almost always just a few watts less. Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer, etc use these rating schemes to try to provide some sense of comparability to the likes of Kenwood, Sony, etc, who tend to present the highest number possible without qualification. I don't blame them one bit, if consumer ignorance persuades them to buy a Sony rated at 100 watts because it appears more powerful than a Harman Kardon rated at 35 watts, then beat them at their own game. Generally (but not always) an amplifier will rate higher at all tests if it is in fact more powerful.

    As for the Pioneer and Yamaha's, well, you can bet most Pioneer models will have more true power capable of being simultaneously delivered, full bandwidth, to all channels than a comparable Yamaha. Does this make it sound better? Not necessarily - power and sound quality aren't the same thing. Is the extra power needed...probably not, and if the Yamaha isn't enough power, the Pioneer isn't going to give you much more at all.

    Most of us would listen to loud music at 1/2 to 5 watts per channel. ...the difference between 50 watts/channel and 100 watts per channel is 3 dB...barely noticeable in most cases...Kind of makes these 100 watt figures a bit less meaningful.
    Power is important, but if you were to look at the difference in power between the RX-V650 and 750 (10 watts or something foolish), it's not even enough to generate 1 more decibel!!! If you need more power, you should start by no less than doubling what you currently have in your amplifier/receiver...


    The "0" reference level is arbitrary and varies from one manufacturer to the next...the Yamaha's are capable of going to + 12 or + 16 dB...at the "0" level, your amp is delivering somewhere around 6 watts per channel on average...dynamic peaks in the music or soundtrack will sent this into the 90's and possibly beyond...depending of couse on the signal strenght of the input source (but that's another topic).
    I can't speak for older Pioneers, but the new ones are quite powerful...usually more so than the same priced Yamaha and Denons...I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a Pioneer Elite, or one of the larger Pioneers today.
    Hello there just read your reply and let me be the first to say that I never meant to dis Pioneer or any other brand for that matter. But, I am going by what I read on yammie's web site and what I have experienced myself as an owner of both Pioneer and Yammie receivers. The "0" reference point I was referring to is at an insane spl level yet my yammie doesn't break a sweat. Actually, my volume control is from -80 to + 8. True, other brands employ different ranges with respect to volume. However, my yammie remaining stable at "0" displays awesome performance. The SQ is also quite amazing-I am taken back just how clean the amplifier is. Thus, I have owned Onkyo, Pioneer, Panasonic to name a few and NONE of these were even close to the performance I get from my yammie. To be honest, I do like the Onkyos receivers and Denon/HK seem to muster a lot of positive reviews. Likewise, the Pioneer 1014 seems to favor quite well too. I think it boils down to personal preference. Some people prefer Ford whereas others prefer Chevrolet when purchasing a car. Similarly, some consumers prefer Pioneer and some prefer yammie. Which one is best? Depends on who you ask. Personally, I will stay with yammie and I hope to soon own an RX-V2500.
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    I didn't get the impression you were slamming Pioneer, just that maybe you are a bit out of date with the current models...Pioneer makes good stuff, as good as Yamaha or Denon - sure, they just have a different way going about it.
    I think were you to buy any $400 receiver today you would find it to perform similar to the 650, which I am a big fan of. Receivers have been rapidly improving over the last few years as the Home Theater boom continues, more competitive than ever and even the entry level product are seeing the benefits.
    I bought the RX-V1400 which I thought was a good buy, but since I use external power amps, the 650 or 5760 probably would have been enough for me while saving me some money...live and learn I guess.
    You are quite right that personal preference plays a big role in all of this, thank goodness for that - how boring would it be if everyone owned the same gear?

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    I gotta agree;

    Quote Originally Posted by kexodusc
    I didn't get the impression you were slamming Pioneer, just that maybe you are a bit out of date with the current models...Pioneer makes good stuff, as good as Yamaha or Denon - sure, they just have a different way going about it.
    I think were you to buy any $400 receiver today you would find it to perform similar to the 650, which I am a big fan of. Receivers have been rapidly improving over the last few years as the Home Theater boom continues, more competitive than ever and even the entry level product are seeing the benefits.
    I bought the RX-V1400 which I thought was a good buy, but since I use external power amps, the 650 or 5760 probably would have been enough for me while saving me some money...live and learn I guess.
    You are quite right that personal preference plays a big role in all of this, thank goodness for that - how boring would it be if everyone owned the same gear?
    I've done some serious listening of receivers in the $500-$1000 dollar range, and I've had a hard time telling any difference in sound quality between them. I actually had to move up to the flagship recievers to hear a very small, but noticable difference in sound quality. That's a pretty big jump in $$$ for just a little improvment. Rather than go that route I decided to go with external amplification for my mains.

    My big question is why does Yamaha name their top recievers the same as their motorcycles?! Perhaps you need a helmet when using the RX-Z9!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oddeoowphil38
    Hello there just read your reply and let me be the first to say that I never meant to dis Pioneer or any other brand for that matter. But, I am going by what I read on yammie's web site and what I have experienced myself as an owner of both Pioneer and Yammie receivers. The "0" reference point I was referring to is at an insane spl level yet my yammie doesn't break a sweat. Actually, my volume control is from -80 to + 8. True, other brands employ different ranges with respect to volume. However, my yammie remaining stable at "0" displays awesome performance. The SQ is also quite amazing-I am taken back just how clean the amplifier is. Thus, I have owned Onkyo, Pioneer, Panasonic to name a few and NONE of these were even close to the performance I get from my yammie. To be honest, I do like the Onkyos receivers and Denon/HK seem to muster a lot of positive reviews. Likewise, the Pioneer 1014 seems to favor quite well too. I think it boils down to personal preference. Some people prefer Ford whereas others prefer Chevrolet when purchasing a car. Similarly, some consumers prefer Pioneer and some prefer yammie. Which one is best? Depends on who you ask. Personally, I will stay with yammie and I hope to soon own an RX-V2500.
    If your running it at 0db,i wonder if you speaker setting are right. I like it loud but 0db is pretty up there.
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    Kex well said. You seem to know your stuff. Remember, I am a newbie.....lol. Guess I have a lot to learn and that is what keeps me going. Take care.

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    Well said there Geoff. Maybe I should rethink this idea of me upgrading to a yammie rx-v 2500. Sounds like I may be better off spending my money elsewhere. Time for me to look into the amplifier thing and use my 650 as a preamp so to speak...hmmm. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shokhead
    If your running it at 0db,i wonder if you speaker setting are right. I like it loud but 0db is pretty up there.
    Hello there Shok. No, my settings are correct as far as I know. I dont listen to music that loud. I just know my yammie can play down to "0" level and still remain stable. Heck, I usually dont turn it up past -20. Sometimes, I will when watching a dvd. It seems I do have to turn it up more when in 5.1 mode. My towers are rated to take 500 rms I believe so I am no where close that. The YPAO even set my Titans as large. I do prefer a large soundstage myself. Paradigm fan4life<<<<<<<<<<<
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    Adding an amp or two to the RX-V650 would be a good step up...especially if you use all digital inputs to limit the number of AD conversions...A worthwhile investment for the sound improvement, especially if you buy a used amp for $100-300 somewhere...

    I'm not familiar with your main speakers, can you tell us about them?

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    If i use the auto setup my Denon sets mine to lg also but i just that back to small. Must take alot to push those. Seems more of a reason to set them to small and let the sub take some stress of the Yamaha. Probably a lower x over 60 or 40?
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    Kex, my towers are nothing speacial really. I thought they had a good sound and I bought em. However, they are much larger and take up a lot of space than what I thought so I plan to upgrade as soon as my budget allows. Each tower has (2) 12" drivers, 51/4" mid, and a large tweeter. The soundstage is huge and they do ok for now but I hope to have Paradigm Monitor 3's very soon.

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    Shok, I have played around the X-over point several times and for some reason 90 HZ seems to work the best for me. My towers and sub blend better at that point. At 80 HZ the towers draw too much attention to them and are much less seamless. At 100HZ, the sub seems to draw attention as well and as a result I have to turn it down considerably. At 90 HZ the speakers blend so well that it is seemless.

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    You kinda made it sound like you had some huge towers so i thought a lower x over. I use 80 for the same reason you use 90.
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