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    Panny 60 Help

    My local hi-if shop finally got in the new BLU-RAY panny 60 dvd player, So i took one home for $279.00, I thought that was a good deal, Ok here we go, I have the video hooked up to my 42 LG plasma 720p model 42pc5d, With a HDMI cable, And the audio is run to my old denon 4800 receiver with a optical cable. There are a few things im not sure about. Well maybe more than a few.
    VIDEO
    1 ? - 24p output - on or off ?

    2 ? - black level control - light or darker ?

    3 ? - seamless play - on or off ?

    4 ? - hdmi resolution is set to auto - right or wrong ?

    AUDIO

    1 ? - I have audio set to digital audio output, bitstream, is this right. ?

    2 ? - dynamic range compression - on - off - or auto ?

    3 ? - pcm down conversion - off or on ?

    4 ? - downmix - stereo or surround encoded ?

    I would surely be thankful for any help.

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    [QUOTE=s dog]My local hi-if shop finally got in the new BLU-RAY panny 60 dvd player, So i took one home for $279.00, I thought that was a good deal, Ok here we go, I have the video hooked up to my 42 LG plasma 720p model 42pc5d, With a HDMI cable, And the audio is run to my old denon 4800 receiver with a optical cable. There are a few things im not sure about. Well maybe more than a few.
    VIDEO
    1 ? - 24p output - on or off ?
    OFF, 720P cant handle it, set your player to 720p

    2 ? - black level control - light or darker ?
    I keep mine dark when possible, most modern displays have trouble with Black level

    3 ? - seamless play - on or off ?
    You're choice

    4 ? - hdmi resolution is set to auto - right or wrong ?
    YOU CAN SET IT TO 720P OR "AUTO", both will work

    AUDIO

    1 ? - I have audio set to digital audio output, bitstream, is this right. ?
    Set it to "dolby digital". for some reason you have to enable DTS in a lot of BLU players.
    Best way is the multichannel out of you have it, you're player might be able to handle
    some codecs, mine can play 5.1 lossless for instance

    2 ? - dynamic range compression - on - off - or auto ?
    If you don't like sudden loud noise then turn it on, this is mainly handy for late night listening , helps keep from waking the neighbors and the old
    ' "sperm bank". Otherwise its a waste to pay for exelent dynamic range and cut it off,
    IMHO.


    3 ? - pcm down conversion - off or on ?
    OFF

    4 ? - downmix - stereo or surround encoded ?
    Surround, but you shouldnt be "downmixing" anything, really

    I would surely be thankful for any help.
    The best "help" you can get is to read the instruction manuel, every player is different
    and your panasonic might be different than my Sony, I don't have "seamless" play for instance, unless that refers to seamless branching.
    Read the instructions, this aint no four slot toaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s dog
    My local hi-if shop finally got in the new BLU-RAY panny 60 dvd player, So i took one home for $279.00, I thought that was a good deal, Ok here we go, I have the video hooked up to my 42 LG plasma 720p model 42pc5d, With a HDMI cable, And the audio is run to my old denon 4800 receiver with a optical cable. There are a few things im not sure about. Well maybe more than a few.
    VIDEO


    OFF, 720P cant handle it, set your player to 720p



    I keep mine dark when possible, most modern displays have trouble with Black level



    You're choice



    YOU CAN SET IT TO 720P OR "AUTO", both will work

    AUDIO



    Set it to "dolby digital". for some reason you have to enable DTS in a lot of BLU players.
    Best way is the multichannel out of you have it, you're player might be able to handle
    some codecs, mine can play 5.1 lossless for instance



    If you don't like sudden loud noise then turn it on, this is mainly handy for late night listening , helps keep from waking the neighbors and the old
    ' "sperm bank". Otherwise its a waste to pay for exelent dynamic range and cut it off,
    IMHO.




    OFF



    Surround, but you shouldnt be "downmixing" anything, really



    The best "help" you can get is to read the instruction manuel, every player is different
    and your panasonic might be different than my Sony, I don't have "seamless" play for instance, unless that refers to seamless branching.
    Read the instructions, this aint no four slot toaster.
    Thanks for your help, I think everything is setup right, As for the audio, The digtal audio output menu only gives you two choices BITSTREAM or PCM , I have it set to bitstream, What this does is turn BR dvd's with a DTS-HD sound track in to reg DTS-ES on my receiver and TURE DD sound track in to reg DD, at lest that what the display on the front of my denon 4800 receiver shows, I will say this much, I watched the movie [ TAKEN, BR ] last night and it looked and sounded pretty dam good, Gun fire hit really hard, Even hooked up to a old receiver the sound was better than a standerd dvd, I can only image how much better it would sound on a high res receiver. Thanks again for the help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s dog

    Thanks for your help, I think everything is setup right, As for the audio, The digtal audio output menu only gives you two choices BITSTREAM or PCM , I have it set to bitstream, What this does is turn BR dvd's with a DTS-HD sound track in to reg DTS-ES on my receiver and TURE DD sound track in to reg DD, at lest that what the display on the front of my denon 4800 receiver shows, I will say this much, I watched the movie [ TAKEN, BR ] last night and it looked and sounded pretty dam good, Gun fire hit really hard, Even hooked up to a old receiver the sound was better than a standerd dvd, I can only image how much better it would sound on a high res receiver. Thanks again for the help.
    Your setup seems right, except for the 1080p24 setting, which you can try out and see if it causes any issues with your TV. Most newer sets can handle the signal, a lot of older ones cannot. This has nothing to do with the resolution, but rather how the TV matches a film-based source to the 60 Hz refresh rate (film cameras use a frame speed of 24fps, whereas video sources are recorded in multiples of 30fps). Some people indicated that the 1080p24 setting causes visible flickering, while others say that it produces a more film-like image with movies.

    With the audio, DTS is a scalable format, so the DTS-HD signal is completely compatible with any DTS decoder. DTS-HD will only output at lossless resolution with a HDMI connection. On optical connections, the resolution will simply cap out at 1.5k, which is already double the 763k DTS resolution used on most DVDs. 1.5k DTS sounds incredible, and while only a handful of DVDs used that resolution, nearly all of the DTS tracks that come with Blu-ray discs will output at 1.5k through the optical audio output.

    Dolby Digital is less seamless in that it requires separate DD TrueHD and DD soundtracks, and once again only the standard DD track can be output through the optical audio output. But, as with DTS, the Dolby Digital used on Blu-ray discs is a step up from the version used on DVDs.

    When DD was first introduced with the Laserdisc format, it used a standard resolution of 640k. With the DVD, the maximum DD resolution supported was 448k, which degraded the audio quality and surround effect by channel joining the high frequencies above 10 kHz (the 384k variant, which is used on many DVDs as well as all HDTV broadcasts, channel joins the highs at 7 kHz). With Blu-ray, the standard Dolby Digital once again uses the 640k version, which noticeably improves the audio quality.
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    24P will not work with a 720p set, they dont have have the nessesary 72hz
    refresh rate.
    Why 72hz? This is three times 24, three frames of each are shown for a total of 72 frames a second, hence no 3:2 pulldown or other compromises.
    Not to mention that 24p is tied to a 1080p picture, which a 720p set cant handle ,
    so teh point is moot, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    24P will not work with a 720p set, they dont have have the nessesary 72hz
    refresh rate.
    Of course they will work because you get a visible picture using 3:2 pulldown. Most 1080p sets use the same 60 Hz refresh rate that most 720p sets use, yet most of the 60 Hz HDTVs currently on the market will also display a 24p signal.

    There are many older HDTVs (including some 1080p models) that will not display a 24p signal, but most HDTVs (including many 720p models) from about the last two years can accept a 24p input. The presence of a 48 Hz, 72 Hz, or 120 Hz mode is not necessary to display a 24p signal on any TV that can process the signal.

    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    Why 72hz? This is three times 24, three frames of each are shown for a total of 72 frames a second, hence no 3:2 pulldown or other compromises.
    Bear in mind that most of the 120 Hz TVs from last year still applied the 3:2 pulldown followed by a 2:2 frame repeat, rather than the 5:5 frame repeating that they should have used in order to display the picture using even multiples. Only the 120 Hz Sonys did this frame repeating correctly. Thankfully, the newer 120 Hz TVs coming out this year are mostly doing the 5:5 frame repeating correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    Not to mention that 24p is tied to a 1080p picture, which a 720p set cant handle ,
    so teh point is moot, anyway.
    Any compatible 720p TV can handle a 24p signal -- just won't display it at the native 1080p resolution. At some point, the signal gets rescaled. Notice that the menu option specifies "24p Output". This is consistent with Panasonic's terminology in which their compatible 720p HDTVs also specify "24p Playback" as a feature.
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