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    Ok Morkys I did some research and here's what I came up with.The 18 EX is a 7.1 THX EX reciever and is rated at 130 wpc,the 18U is rated at 140 wpc has THX and is a 6 ch.,both have 6 ch direct.They are different in weight,the Ex at 53.9lbs and the U at 57lbs.
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    Weird. I don't see that when I research. Got any links?

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    I looked on my manual and the EX manual on the Marantz site and made comparisons and that's the only differences I saw.
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    Gotcha. You have the manual for the U and the EX is on the website. Cool. Thanks.

    So there is no 7.1 decoding and 7.1 pre-outs with the U?
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    You are correct sir! The Marantz site doesn't even show the U or the "just 18" manual.
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    Weird. I tell ya, it's not possible to get the specs from eBay. It's all over the map. You've got people with 18U's and 18's stating their wattage as anywhere from 110 watts per channel to 140 watts per channel. Most common is stating 130 watts per channel. Some say the U has 7.1 pre-out's but looking at the back panel pictures they don't.

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    I know man, I don't know why there are so many different specs,I put my 18u on the medical scales at work,and that thing is always dead on and it weighed in at just a little over 60lbs. give or take a couple ounces.My manual does say 140 wpc @8ohms and 200 wpc @4ohms. but it doesn't say 18u,or EX ,just 18,but my reciever says 18U on the back made in 2002.
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    Hmmm...I do have an interest in trying 7.1 ... but perhaps I could go with just the 18 for a start if I find one. Does it have 6.1 or 7.1 pre-outs? Does the 18U have a toroid transformer and/or copper chassis? HDAM's?

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    Yes it has toroid and HDAM and the copper chassis.I have heard other people that own these talk like the U is the one to have out of the 18's,personally i like the 14 as far as cosmetics go.The 19,14,and 18 are all great recievers and I'll never use 7.1 anyway so I am more than happy with mine,I could be looking into seperates though pretty soon,I like the idea of endless headroom.
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    Hey Morky,there is a very,very nice 18U on the bay right now at a very reasonable buy it now. I'd jump on that!
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    Looking at it. It's not easy importing receivers. I am holding out for a 14EX. If an 18EX or 18U shows up locally, I may bite. I'll inquire with the auction about shipping etc. Problem is, for a company, they have to declare a certain value and I get dinged for taxes/duties/brokerage fees etc, more than I normally do with private sellers.

    One thing puzzles me. I often see people saying that the 18U has 7.1 and/or 7.1 pre-outs but it doesn't look it on the back panel. Yet, when you look at photo #1 and #2 in the photo gallery for that auction, I swear you can see lights (not lit?) on the front panel that show, L, C, R, LFE, LS, RS and one that looks like S, what I would think is back surround.

    If you could take a picture of your receivers back panel, and/or the first features discription page of your owners manual, that would be handy. I'd like to have it for comparison reference. I cannot find the owners manuals on the net.

    If you ever get a chance, you can email it to:
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    It's a mother getting to the rear of my 18 for pics,but here's the diagram for that front light

    LF RF

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    LR S RR

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    Thanks man. Ok, so that wasn't a back surround light, it was an S for SUBWOOFER

    The 18U sounds like a super suped up SR 8000. It's pretty nearly the same in terms of 5.1 etc etc, but it has THX with an 80 Hz crossover, 140 watts vs 105, main-in and main-out and a few other bonus features.

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    I have done some more reading and have become a little more frustrated. The Marantz owners manuals and specs on the support section are largely incorrect.

    For the 18EX they have the 18U spec sheet and the 19EX owners manual. It's so badly obvious because you see the front page for the 18EX owners manual, and yet there is no HDCD (which the 18EX has and the 19EX does not) and the rest of the manual mentions 19EX time and time again. So stupid. You'd think whoever is responsible would be able to peice together something as simple as proper owners manuals. Also, instead of listing the 18U and 19U as well as the 14EX, 18EX and 19EX, they only list the 14EX and 18EX and the info for the 18EX is incorrect as I described above.

    Kind of frustrating. While I do want to hold out for a nice SR 9300 one day. Just enough toys with all the clean power, in the mean time, I am creating a spreadsheet to show all of the differences between the Marantz models. Well, I'm listing the important models anyhow There is an 18EX on eBay and an 18U. I really want either a 14EX or a 9300 but I may have to chose something else in the meantime like an 18EX or 18U as I'm getting impatient ...the 19EX and for sure the 19U are off my list.

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    I know one thing,I'm very happy with the 18u. It is a powerhouse in every sense of the word and it comes real close to my friends seperates(adcom).It even comes close to another friends parasound setup,I took my reciever to his house and we set it up on his speakers and he couldn't believe it.My dream reciever however is the Denon 5805 MKII which I will never be able to afford until the price drops considerably.And I demo'd a marantz SR9600 and I couldn't tell the difference from my 18u.
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    That's good that the 9600 sounds the same. I was worried that the newer receivers lack of HDAM's would make the sound somehow inferior. I guess they may not have HDAM's listed, but I'm sure the pre-amp components are good enough.

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    Still think I should hold out for a 9300 or 14EX... but if I went for an 18U... how much should I be looking at? What are they worth? Not how much are people asking, but how much should I be willing to pay for one? I'm not dying to pick one up, but just in case

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    It's funny,they had a 2700.00 retail,but I see them go for anywhere from 600 to 800 on ebay.
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    I also have an SR-8000 and I have to say that I was considering the 18 and 19 but after alot of indecision and some auditioning current receivers in similar price range the 8000 was I have concluded that the 8000 is an awesome piece of equip and unless I am willing to shell out at least another $ 3,000-$5,000 I probably won't be satisfied so my advice to you Morkey would be to stay put until your ready to fork out the dollars for an upgrade that will truly make a difference other than that your wasting your money. Again the 8000 is a hard piece to beat for anything less than big bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victorsmazda
    I also have an SR-8000 and I have to say that I was considering the 18 and 19 but after alot of indecision and some auditioning current receivers in similar price range the 8000 was I have concluded that the 8000 is an awesome piece of equip and unless I am willing to shell out at least another $ 3,000-$5,000 I probably won't be satisfied so my advice to you Morkey would be to stay put until your ready to fork out the dollars for an upgrade that will truly make a difference other than that your wasting your money. Again the 8000 is a hard piece to beat for anything less than big bucks.
    Interesting. I must say when I listen to this puppy with my PSB Image speakers, it sounds awesome. I am definitely staying away from the run of the mill Marantz. I want the ones that have the same lineage as the SR 8000. HDAM's etc etc. The 14EX, 18EX, 18U and the 9200 and 9300 are all pretty much as good or better than the 8000. The 9600 should be awesome too, but waaay too much ca$hola.

    Have you auditioned any of the 14EX, 18EX, 18U or 9200/9300? I'd be surprised if they didn't sound at least as good as our SR 8000

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    I can't find any info saying the 9300 has HDAM's and I am finding that it may not have the same caliber audio quality as the SR14EX/18/19 etc... I wanted HDAM's and 7.1 with DPL II. I don't even need DPL IIx but it's not looking like I could get DPL II without the 9300 but the 9300 doesn't seem to have HDAM's. Originally I wasn't interested in DPL II...but ever since I upgraded and matched my PSB Image speakers, I have fallen in love with DPL II for music. I don't always listen to it, but it's a nice option. I have been using a Yamaha C750 dvd player for that, and it works ok, but I was hoping to grab a Sony mega changer and use a receiver for the DPL II. It's impossible to combine all the things I want without buying the 9600.
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    No I haven't auditioned the older Marantz receivers but I'm sure they do sound as good as our 8000 but to spend the money on those units in my opinion would be going backwards due to the new HDMI technology and as I mentioned before any new stuff that sounds as good as the 8000 is large coin so give it at least another year for mid to high end HDMI receivers to come down to earth before you give up on what may be one of the best receivers ever made for the money.

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    Fair enough. I guess we have different needs. I won't be dropping too much. I think an 18EX or 14EX would be a good temporary receiver to use while saving up for the 9600. I may consider the 9200/9300 but it may not match even the 8000 in sound quality. I don't care about HDMI really. I have all my video stuff going through my video processor, component, DVI and HDMI, and into my projector so I could care less about HDMI switching in a receiver right now. I like the idea, but it's not a deal breaker. I just want more of the good audio quality of the 8000, plus I'd like to try out 7.1. In the end, I will want DPL IIx and true DTS-ES but that won't be a reality until 9600's (used?) come down in price in a year.

    Does our 8000 have a toroidal power supply? I take your feedback and the others here regarding the value of these older receivers seriously and will keep my spending low, if I do anything at all. I wonder what my SR 8000 is worth.

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    The 8000 does not have a torroidal ps,I auditioned the 8000,it doesn't even come close to the sound of an 18 or a 14.If you don't care about the HDMI why not buy an older power house?Are you really wanting to run 7.1? Have you auditioned a SR18 yet?It is the touted Marantz reciever and reviewed by many as one of the best ever put out by them,itdoesn't need all the shiny bobbles,it's a different level of reciever for sure.I just bought a seperate amp and auditioned several with an authorized dealer in my house,this 18 out pumped a Rotel 1080,and an Adcom 5500 easily.The amp I bought was the adcom 5800 which achieved a better sound for me and greater headroom.The 9600?Nice,but same league as the 18 with more shiny stuff.18 EX? Less power and THX EX,step dowm IMO.
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    The 18EX has the same power as the 18U. The reason you think it has 130 watts is because you are seeing the specs for the 19EX. The 18EX downloads on the Marantz website are incorrect. They have 18U specs and a 19EX manual for the 18EX. I have researched thoroughly, including getting people who own 18EX's and 19EX's to check their own owners manuals (the only way to confirm product specs once and for all). I have finally figured out what the main differences are.

    Here is how it breaks down (All have HDAM's and at the very least, the 18U, 18EX and 14EX have Toroidal PS iirc):

    SR 19U - 120 watts x 5 - 96/24 DAC's - no component switching - 5.1
    SR 19EX - 130 watts x 5 - 96/24 DAC's - 3 component in / 1 out - 7.1 (THX EX)
    SR 18U - 140 watts x 5 - 96/24 DAC's - 2 compo in / 1 out - 5.1
    SR 18EX - 140 watts x 5 -192/24 DAC's - HDCD - 7.1 (THX EX) 3 Component in / 1 out + Metal chassis and copper sheilding
    SR 14EX - 140 watts x 5 - 192/24 DAC's - HDCD - 7.1 (THX EX) 3 Component in / 1 out + Copper chassis and extensive copper sheilding

    The 14EX has more copper and sheildling. The 18EX and 14EX both have 192 kHz/24 bit DAC's and I think the 14EX has the better DAC's on all channels while the 18EX just has them on the front two? I am pretty sure this is correct because the 14EX specs show ADDC (Adaptive Double Differential Control). I think this means it can cascade it's DAC's (double up) in stereo mode. It's also possible that the 18EX (and maybe 19EX) do DTS ES discrete, but so far I suspect they both just do DTS ES 6.1 via THX EX matrix.

    There are more differences. I have made a spreadsheet. I found it necessary because of the mis-information on the Marantz website and everybody's postings on eBay having wrong info. Sometimes they put stuff that their receiver doesn't have, other times they leave features out or underquote watts.

    Here are two links to check out (each with their spec links) if you don't believe me re: the 140 watts of the 18EX.

    18EX overview:
    http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm...cv&category=hf
    18EX detailed specs:
    http://www.marantz.com/p_prod_specne...ont=u&line=rcv
    14EX overview:
    http://www.marantz.com/p_product_ovr...e=rcv&categ=hf
    14EX detailed specs:
    http://www.marantz.com/p_prod_specne...ont=u&line=rcv

    So there you go man! My research is nearly complete. There have been so few 14EX and 18EX for sale that I had to do something while looking for them. I wouldn't mind trying the 9200, but I still think the lack of HDAM's would not do well for sound quality and I want audio to be top notch for music of all kinds (redbook CD - DPL II with my dvd player for CD's (for fun) and SACD & DVD-Audio ... all must sound as good as possible).

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    So here are my current options:

    1) There's a guy on AVS with an 18EX who is probably going to sell soon.
    2) A 14EX .. for $1275 CDN but I can only go $1100 CDN I think
    3) An MM9000 for around $550 USD that I could use with my 8000 for now (I have the HDAM's and the 9000 would give me toroidal amp and ability to do 7.1 when I pick up an 18EX or 14EX).

    thanks for the feedback man...

    I'll keep you posted.
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