Well, after bugging all you guys for a couple of months. I finally bought a pioneer VSX - 815 I got it off ebay refurbished 180.00 dollars couldnt pass it up. Also just picked up an onkyo 6 disc dvd player at cc. I still have one problem, The reciever dosent come with the michrophone to set it up. I have heard some of you fine people talk about setting up your system & speakers manually . What am I looking for to do this? Thanks to all you guys for every thread response on all my dumb questions. Steve