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If LCD is so much cheaper than plasma, how come i can get a 42 inch panasonic plasma that is highly regarded for less than a 37 inch sony lcd?? if you dont believe me, check out best buy. And dont give me the garbage response that the sony is a better tv.
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
I have been looking for a report I came across on consumer reports,
says that DLP sets have a much higher repair rate, if I ever find it I will
post the link.
what I have been saying is based on one important fact.
You can hand build audio gear, but in the case of video you are pretty much limited by what the mass market chooses.
Except for sir talkys frankenstein project maybe.
In the start you had three types of auto, steam, electric and gas.
Eventually gas won out and the other two died.
TODAY its plasma, LCD, and (dying faster than a fruitfly in sept) DLP.
Heck, I EVEN tried to help you out, suggested one to a friend at work
as a good cheap way to get a large screen, but he wants (like the rest of the world) one that hangs on the wall.
And he's seen burn in on plasma, doesnt matter if the problem is "fixed"
that is not the perception.
LCD is going to be the tech for years, until OLED gets cheap
(if it ever does).
SONY quit with the lcos based RPTV'S, DOESNT that tell you something?
LCD is IT, sorry but that is just the way it is, and we need to be developing that tech, not wasting time on a format that is going
nowhere
In a few years the only place you will be able to buy either a plasma or a DLP is at a garage sale or the want ads, really.
TWO YEARS ago my 37" cost a grand, and was considered "cheap".
A few weeks ago my 42", with 1080p, 3 hdmi, and a lot more features,
was 900$, and economies of scale arent even fully kicked in yet.
I know thats not what you want to hear, but trust me, the people
at TI where you work already know all of this, nothing new to them.
DLP was for the govt, its just like them to pay a ton to develope a
display system that only does greyscale, but TI did a good job of
adapting it to consumer use anyway.
But buddy, it aint FLAT, as a matter of fact despite best efforts,
its still quite bulky, and that isnt important?
It is for one major reason, the WAF (wife acceptance factor).
Women just aint into this hobby like men, and the only reason a lot get a big screen is by convincing the wife that they need one of those new, "cool" flatscreens.
Thats the only reason a lot of men have a large set, looks arent even important to women, fashion is.
Remember doc martins? Army boots? Women wore those ugly things for years.
I remember you posted quite a few times about a major prob with your DLP, where to put the center speaker.
A non issue for a wall hanging set, yeah all of this might seem trivial
compared to all important PQ, but that isnt that much of an issue anymore, what with sets getting better and better.
At Circuit city they had several DLP sets, with nobody looking at them, Couldnt find any anywhere else except at a TV shop that sells
MITSHUBISHI, and thats IT.
And several salesmen told me that LCD was selling better than plasma,
especially when people found out it was more energy efficent, weighed
less, had fewer tech issues, etc, and side by side in a store there really isnt much difference in picture, really, not enough that concerns most.
I love my set, the red-green-blue color temp, and various other things
make for a really great picture.
LCD is the future, and thats it, and that is not what I am saying, its what everybody is voting for in the one true democracy, the market.
Plasma is the only real competitor, and if you want to watch video by shooting 30,000 volts through volatile gas encased in a delicate glass envelope, go right ahead, the only argument for plasma is "pq"
but the only affordable ones are 720p, WHEN MOST lcd IS GOING 1080P.
Admit it, you have watched a buddys new "plasma" for awhile only to
find out later that it is a LCD and "plasma" his generic phrase for a flat screen, you just cant eyeball two sets side by side and tell much difference anymore, I have fooled people several times, its called the placebo effect.
I am not "championing " a certain anything, I just wish electronic companies would quit wasting money on tech that will be in the attic
in a few years:1:
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WOW, HOLY SMOKES!!! some salemen told you that lcd was selling better, damn Pixie, that must mean its a better tv!!! I am changing sides now, long live LCD!!! Some salesmen told me this!!!
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
I have been looking for a report I came across on consumer reports,
says that DLP sets have a much higher repair rate, if I ever find it I will
post the link.
what I have been saying is based on one important fact.
You can hand build audio gear, but in the case of video you are pretty much limited by what the mass market chooses.
Except for sir talkys frankenstein project maybe.
In the start you had three types of auto, steam, electric and gas.
Eventually gas won out and the other two died.
TODAY its plasma, LCD, and (dying faster than a fruitfly in sept) DLP.
Heck, I EVEN tried to help you out, suggested one to a friend at work
as a good cheap way to get a large screen, but he wants (like the rest of the world) one that hangs on the wall.
And he's seen burn in on plasma, doesnt matter if the problem is "fixed"
that is not the perception.
LCD is going to be the tech for years, until OLED gets cheap
(if it ever does).
SONY quit with the lcos based RPTV'S, DOESNT that tell you something?
LCD is IT, sorry but that is just the way it is, and we need to be developing that tech, not wasting time on a format that is going
nowhere
In a few years the only place you will be able to buy either a plasma or a DLP is at a garage sale or the want ads, really.
TWO YEARS ago my 37" cost a grand, and was considered "cheap".
A few weeks ago my 42", with 1080p, 3 hdmi, and a lot more features,
was 900$, and economies of scale arent even fully kicked in yet.
I know thats not what you want to hear, but trust me, the people
at TI where you work already know all of this, nothing new to them.
DLP was for the govt, its just like them to pay a ton to develope a
display system that only does greyscale, but TI did a good job of
adapting it to consumer use anyway.
But buddy, it aint FLAT, as a matter of fact despite best efforts,
its still quite bulky, and that isnt important?
It is for one major reason, the WAF (wife acceptance factor).
Women just aint into this hobby like men, and the only reason a lot get a big screen is by convincing the wife that they need one of those new, "cool" flatscreens.
Thats the only reason a lot of men have a large set, looks arent even important to women, fashion is.
Remember doc martins? Army boots? Women wore those ugly things for years.
I remember you posted quite a few times about a major prob with your DLP, where to put the center speaker.
A non issue for a wall hanging set, yeah all of this might seem trivial
compared to all important PQ, but that isnt that much of an issue anymore, what with sets getting better and better.
At Circuit city they had several DLP sets, with nobody looking at them, Couldnt find any anywhere else except at a TV shop that sells
MITSHUBISHI, and thats IT.
And several salesmen told me that LCD was selling better than plasma,
especially when people found out it was more energy efficent, weighed
less, had fewer tech issues, etc, and side by side in a store there really isnt much difference in picture, really, not enough that concerns most.
I love my set, the red-green-blue color temp, and various other things
make for a really great picture.
LCD is the future, and thats it, and that is not what I am saying, its what everybody is voting for in the one true democracy, the market.
Plasma is the only real competitor, and if you want to watch video by shooting 30,000 volts through volatile gas encased in a delicate glass envelope, go right ahead, the only argument for plasma is "pq"
but the only affordable ones are 720p, WHEN MOST lcd IS GOING 1080P.
Admit it, you have watched a buddys new "plasma" for awhile only to
find out later that it is a LCD and "plasma" his generic phrase for a flat screen, you just cant eyeball two sets side by side and tell much difference anymore, I have fooled people several times, its called the placebo effect.
I am not "championing " a certain anything, I just wish electronic companies would quit wasting money on tech that will be in the attic
in a few years:1:
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Originally Posted by Duds
If LCD is so much cheaper than plasma, how come i can get a 42 inch panasonic plasma that is highly regarded for less than a 37 inch sony lcd?? if you dont believe me, check out best buy. And dont give me the garbage response that the sony is a better tv.
Here's the thing. It doesn't matter what you say to Pix, no matter how logical it is.
If you point out that Plasma costs more (at some sizes this is true), he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better. If you point out that LCD costs more (at some other sizes this is true), then he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better.
It's a wasted argument IMO.
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Yeah i know, it's still fun though.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Here's the thing. It doesn't matter what you say to Pix, no matter how logical it is.
If you point out that Plasma costs more (at some sizes this is true), he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better. If you point out that LCD costs more (at some other sizes this is true), then he'll say that's a good reason to believe that LCD is better.
It's a wasted argument IMO.
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Originally Posted by Duds
Yeah i know, it's still fun though.
True. And at least he's posting something. It breaks up the deadness around here.
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So he's kinda like the undead? Or the anti-dead? Something like that?
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So he's kinda like the undead? Or the anti-dead? Something like that?
Something like that.:skep:
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I had a feeling was schizoid. Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Pix, out of the 3 auto technologies, looking back, did the public make the right decision? Water, nearly free, just think of wear electric cars would be today..... and gas $4.00 a gallon give or take, hmmmmmm
Knock on wood, my Toshiba has been trouble free and the only TV to actually go out on me was a Sony, about the time the factory warranty ran out. I had a Sharp go mostly bad back in the 80's when flat screen 27's were becoming popular. I wish it had of gone all the way out but what it did the picture became twice as dark with no way to fix it. Anyway, all of this is to say don't trash a brand based on one experience. And you can't blame Toshiba for wanting to keep their cash cow "DVD" going. There were actually some very good reasons to support HD-DVD too. So there.
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I'm not comfortable with the direction this thread has taken.
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I'm not comfortable with the direction this thread has taken.
> What has you squirming dude?
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Pix, out of the 3 auto technologies, looking back, did the public make the right decision? Water, nearly free, just think of wear electric cars would be today..... and gas $4.00 a gallon give or take, hmmmmmm
Knock on wood, my Toshiba has been trouble free and the only TV to actually go out on me was a Sony, about the time the factory warranty ran out. I had a Sharp go mostly bad back in the 80's when flat screen 27's were becoming popular. I wish it had of gone all the way out but what it did the picture became twice as dark with no way to fix it. Anyway, all of this is to say don't trash a brand based on one experience. And you can't blame Toshiba for wanting to keep their cash cow "DVD" going. There were actually some very good reasons to support HD-DVD too. So there.
The car analogy was just that, an analogy.
Just trying to demostrate that LCD is the format being chosen.
in five years OLED will be taking over, or the NWO, so it will be a moot point after awhile.
As for Toshbia, sure you dont diss a brand based on one point.
Had a 32", color looked like a cartoon after six months, bad tube or something.
Brother bought one (the next years model in a sleek new cabinet),
it lasted a few years until the picture failed, price to fix on this 800 dollar TV, 350 bucks.
Finally found a jackleg that fixed it for 150$, lasted another six months.
FIRST DVD player with componet, tosh.
Severe color banding and wouldnt pass DTS, later found out (too late)
that there was a class action lawsuit from disgruntled owners that I missed out on.
At a friends shop (where I bought my B&W speakers) I tried out an Onkyo dvd changer, the menu was familar.
YEP! A Tosh menu!
Tosh was the oem for these, my buddy told me not to buy one,
said they came back to him more than a duncan yoyo.
Not just one instance MR P, so there.
And this doesnt even cover the relentless b**t**ing on various forums,
websites, and newsgroups complaining about this brand.
I would prefer Sanyo over this brand, and if you knew what I think about Sanyo you would know this is saying something.
I wouldnt own a Toshbia paperclip, and that is not from one instance.
ONE DECADE would be more like it(two, actually):1:
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Originally Posted by RoadRunner6
He completely ignores the fact that it is a VIZIO !!!
I am not ignoring the fact, just waiting a bit until I cool down so I dont destroy your obviously young soul with my scathing response.
First, what the FRICK does it matter that Vizio makes plasma?
Do you think this is some kind of vote for plasma?
That they "choose" LCD and this is some kind of betrayal?
This isnt a high school football game chum, Vizio is a major company
and their marketing dept went out one day and stocked up on psychotropic drugs, and figured out through some insane logic that a
32" plasma would make money.
Hopefully they were taken out in a boat on the south China sea ,
soaked in pigs blood and tossed over the side.
I mean, a THIRTY TWO INCH PLASMA!
How stupid can you get?
A LCD IS available for 150 bucks less, has less tech issues, is more troublefree, why would anyone buy one of these?
Havent figured it out yet.
But hey, Panasonic is one of the best in quality tv sets, and they are making quite an investment in Plasma, so go figure.
My guess is that there are a lot of plasma screens still in the pipe,
production plans don't turn on a dime, and somebody made a bunch of these and Vizio saw a way to make a quick buck.
thats my guess anyway.
If you think there is anything of significance in this then you need
to move to Texas , buy a clapped out firebird(what a chick magnet)
and get a job with texas instruments.
Might not be possible tho, they might be cutting back, what with DLP
sales imploding and all:1:
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And so, it continues.
MOM! DAD! :1:
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Well my experience with Toshiba has been quite different. I won a Toshiba DVD player way back when DVD was first getting started and that unit is still working fine and has out lasted a Sony unit bought after that. I haven't had a great deal of Tosh but what I've had has done good. "insert rasberry sound effect"!
When did Vizio become a "major" company? Actually, do they build these things or just one of these companies that stamp their name on a TV to distribute it? Do they even offer any other products besides TV's? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Well my experience with Toshiba has been quite different. I won a Toshiba DVD player way back when DVD was first getting started and that unit is still working fine and has out lasted a Sony unit bought after that. I haven't had a great deal of Tosh but what I've had has done good. "insert rasberry sound effect"!
When did Vizio become a "major" company? Actually, do they build these things or just one of these companies that stamp their name on a TV to distribute it? Do they even offer any other products besides TV's? Inquiring minds want to know.
They are branching out with cables, etc.
STUFF THEY STAMP THEIR NAME ON.
I looked in AVS forums to check out Proscan TV's, almost bought one.
Its got an LG panel and is RCA'S "high line", and looks good.
But you cant turn off its dynamic contrast, which is really anoying
(you can on mine) and all of the people who took theirs back got a ...
wait for it... VIZIO and report that they are quite happy with it, more stuff for fifty bucks more.
However they produce their sets I dont care, the picture is great.
While looking at one a guy who I'Ded himself as the cable guy
said they were the "real" thing.
My brother bought a 42" hitachi plasma, but a month later bought
his daughter a 32" Vizio.
My parents love their 37" VIZIO THAT I gave them.
On a cart full of "repaired" and "returned" bargains at Sams,
there were two Vizio's and several Sony's!
I almost bought a "returned" 47" for 850$, the pic was great.
Am I A vizio "BOOSTER"? No.
But after two troublefree years things are looking good.
And this set isnt a "black box", it has piano black finish with a logo that is blue when the set is on, orange when its not, slimline with tiny speakers at the bottom it really looks cool. Even when OFF.
Perfect? NAW.
but for nine hundred plus tax you wont be able to find a better 1080p
24fps panel with great response time (5 ms) great black level,
and exelent contrast, with controls geared towards the enthusiast,
like red, green,blue color temp controls, etc.
So a DOUBLE "razzzzzz" to you sir!!!:1:
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
...If you think there is anything of significance in this then you need
to move to Texas , buy a clapped out firebird(what a chick magnet)
No car payments on the "clapped out firebird" for the last two years. That = more money for chick rentals, right? :rolleyes:
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...and get a job with texas instruments.
Might not be possible tho, they might be cutting back, what with DLP
sales imploding and all:1:
:rolleyes5: :Yawn: :sleep:
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No car payments on the "clapped out firebird" for the last two years. That = more money for chick rentals, right? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes5: :Yawn: :sleep:
If you have to "rent" your chicks.
Yeah, no car payment is nice, allows me to buy food and gas.
Heres one to tide you over till your next "rental":1:
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How Pixelthis cleans the screen on his new Vizio:
http://www.raincitystory.com/flash/screenclean.swf
RR6 :D
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AT least I have reason to clean it, since it will still be working, unlike your new plasma in a few years.:1:
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I'm not comfortable with the direction this thread has taken.
:p :p
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I'm not comfortable with the direction this thread has taken.
WHAT did you expect with all of the LCD haters on this board.
When Plasma is an antique in a few years they can go back to hating
CD and extoling the virtues of record players:1:
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