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Yes, DVD prices are dropping, And although I agree in the most part with Woochifer's assessment, I will disagree in regards to HD-DVD & Blu-Ray. They ARE more than a "blip" on the radar.
Those formats most certainly are off the radar for the ~80% of households that do not currently own HDTVs. And even for most HDTV owners, I don't think that their disc purchasing behavior has changed much with the HD disc formats about to come out. If anything, I've been reading a lot of vitriol over the copy protection schemes proposed for the new formats, and that has put a wet blanket over much of the enthusiasm for the next gen disc formats. And for the roughly 50% of current HDTV owners (as per AVS Forum's informal poll) who lack the needed digital video inputs, they're out in the cold for the time being as well. That equates to a very small group of potential consumers at format launch, unlike the DVD launch which had virtually all households as potential consumers.
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I can only speak for myself, but I stopped adding to my DVD collection about 6mts ago in anticipation of High Definition DVD. I think I am not the only one that has stopped buying DVD either!
Well, you are the first one on this board that's stated that they would stop buying DVDs. If anything, the rate of growth with the DVD has slowed down because it's more of a mature ubiquitous format, but that does not mean that the market has in itself collapsed. The demand is now driven by the title releases, rather than the format itself (where you had new DVD player owners populating their collections with a lot of older titles).
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DVD looks antiquated when compared to True HD. High Definition DVD has 2x the picture quality of current DVD's (and that is AFTER conversion from 480i to 480p!). With that said, High Definition DVD sales may start slow, but it won't take long (relatively speaking), and it will be outselling traditional DVD (480i).
That would presume that the transition over to HDTV will in itself provide the necessary market support for the HD disc formats. But, given the emergence of on-demand and broadcast HD and the eventual entry of downloadable HD media, there's absolutely no guarantee that the primary viewing format will be through disc media. By the time HDTV is reality for the majority of households and a large enough consumer base is in place for a HD disc format to potentially supplant the DVD as the disc format of choice, the roster of HD viewing options will have also expanded and all of them potentially cut into the HD disc market base. Just look at how radically music listening habits have changed in the last five years, and it's easy to visualize similar changes in the assumptions about viewing habits.
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All indications are High Definition DVD will be entering the market place 1st quarter of 2006. We are talking a couple months here! IMO, you will continue to see eroding DVD prices as they try to sell what they can, and saturate the (480i) market before those buyers eventually upgrade to High Definition (1080i) DVD.
You're making an accurate technical point, but the success of HD-DVD/Blu-ray is going to be more of a market question than anything. And IMO, the market conditions in support of HD-DVD/Blu-ray are far less favorable than those that existed for the DVD. Over the years, plenty of technically superior formats have failed in the market.
As I mentioned, the price erosion on discs seems to apply more to older titles that have been out for a while. The new releases that comprise the majority of DVD sales have not seen price drops in the prevailing list prices for at least the past four years. It's only when the demand for a hot new title falls off that the prices drop accordingly, and with the DVD format in its 9th year, the list of older less in-demand DVD titles keeps growing.
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Originally Posted by Woochifer
.....given the emergence of on-demand and broadcast HD and the eventual entry of downloadable HD media, there's absolutely no guarantee that the primary viewing format will be through disc media.....
I'm SO "on-board" with that! VOD -HD, and simply "leap-frog" High Definition DVD....Yippeeeee!~
Robert
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Originally Posted by robert393
Again, if you are going to make a statement, or quote somebody, you need to get it right. Here are some of the ACTUAL figures: These are easy to find. GOOGLE: HDTV SALES
October 6, 2005-"By the end of 2004, HDTV sets made up 21% of overall TV sales; that number will rise to 70% of overall TV sales by the end of 2010. Additionally, 63% of U.S. TV households will have an HDTV set by 2010." Quoted from here
"December 3, 2003 — Falling prices and improved availability of programming combined to boost sales of high-definition television sets by 50% during the past year" Quoted from here
October 28, 2005-"Nearly 47% of TV households in the U.S. plan to buy an HDTV in the next twelve months". Quoted from here
Robert
At the risk of flogging a dead horse Robert, you take NA to task on quotes and his 10% of American Households currently having HDTV and do so by using a bunch of quotes that essentially support what he's saying. Take your first quote for example which says that more than 5 years down the road only 63% of households will have HDTV's. Based on your source the 10% currently probably isn't much off at all.
A two year old quote stating that HDTV sales were up 50% in 2003 means exactly that and nothing more.
The final quote doesn't really say too much either and may actually support quote number one. Again, it says nothing that would undermine NA's claim. The important fact is simply that while you want to take NA to task, you have fallen way short. Perhaps critical thinking isn't really your thing?
HD is a great thing and it is the future. What's really going on in my estimation is something of a personality conflict. For my part, you have a smugness about you that rubs me the wrong way. Take for instance your repeated claims of "a dedicated media room". By any objective measure the fireplace in the middle of your room makes your claim patently false. Maybe you don't really know what"dedicated" means. Perhaps I don't know what you actually mean by your claim? If you had a ceremony and have a plaque in the room dedicating the room to your grandfather I guess you could say that you have a "dedicated" media room. I've never seen a movie theater or studio with a brick fireplace in the middle of it much less wood walls on the balance. You can knock NA's projector but realize that there are any number of people that could easily call into question your set up too. In addition to the untreated wood and brick walls, there are a number of fairly sizeable shortcomings in other areas that are glaring in my estimation. Much easier for NA to buy a new projector when the time arrives than it is for you to deal with your issues. You do have a really nice projector though and I wish I had more light control in my room, which has other issues of it's own.
Regards,
jc
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At the risk of flogging a dead horse Robert, you take NA to task on quotes and his 10% of American Households currently having HDTV and do so by using a bunch of quotes that essentially support what he's saying. ..... Again, it says nothing that would undermine NA's claim.
His claim is that 10% of American households have HDTV (totally unsubstantuated) and I give supporting documentation & research showing that more than 21% as of Dec, 2004 (a year ago....that number would be much higher now), and you say my quotes "support what he is saying"? Wow! I would say that a difference of more than 100% would constitute a substantial difference from what he said. Now, explain that to me again how
my quote "essentially support what he's saying". Maybe MATH is not one of your strong points, but that difference constitutes MILLIONS.
This quote I gave is about 4 weeks old........
October 6, 2005-By the end of 2004, HDTV sets made up 21% of overall TV sales....JUPITERRESEARCH FORECASTS HDTV SALES IN THE U.S. WILL GROW DRAMATICALLY OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, CONSTITUTING 70% OF ALL TV SALES BY 2010 Read the entire study here
Like I said Jim, I don't know what part of that substantiates NA's claim that only 10% of American Households have HDTV. That number is more than DOUBLE NA's claim. Would you clarify what you meant?
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
HD is a great thing and it is the future
Jim, I personally have more than 23 HD channels (5-dedicated HD movie channels (Uncensored & uncut!)), and many more are available. You say "HD is the future", but HD is here NOW. Will HD become even more prevelant in the future, sure, but make no mistake about it, HD is HERE NOW!
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For my part, you have a smugness about you that rubs me the wrong way.
Sorry 'bout that JC, their is a function in the tools menu that allows you to not see posts from any member that you choose. Maybe you would feel better not seeing my posts?
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By any objective measure the fireplace in the middle of your room makes your claim patently false.
Are you claiming that it is false? And your credentials are? Thank you for your input, I will certainly take that under advisement. Jim, you never mentioned NA's GREY PAINTED wall for a screen. How do you think that fits into your definition of a refined Multi-Media Room?
What I have is a dedicated Multi Media Room. I love having the fireplace in the room. You can't believe how "cozy" it is to have the fireplace turned-on, enjoy guest's and watch a movie....(sometimes MAYBE watch something spicy with the wife beside the fireplace?) ! I get compliments on my Media Room all the time, but what really matters is that I love it and I get to enjoy it on a daily basis!
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Maybe you don't really know what"dedicated" means.....I've never seen a movie theater or studio with a brick fireplace in the middle of it much less wood walls on the balance.
I'm sure my Multi-Media Room is not as nice as yours, but I'm enjoying it daily!
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You can knock NA's projector but realize that there are any number of people that could easily call into question your set up too.
Jim, you may want to see the history here. I COMPLIMENTED NA's ENTIRE SYSTEM....numerous times! What I got in return was "smashing" of my projector & speakers. I didn't criticize until well after I got criticized.
Look here at post
# 13 "Very nice setup, congratulations! If you are anything like me you will have many hours of pure enjoyment from you HT!"
#16 "Enjoy the 854x480 resolution of the H31. It gets really great reviews for projectors at it's level.
In post #16 I even gave a link to a WONDERFUL review of the H31: http://www.projectorcentral.com/optoma_h31.htm
#24 "Look, you got a nice ($1000) projector (Native: 854x480 Pixels), ENJOY IT!!!!!!!!!"
#35 "That's awesome! As I stated MANY TIMES before, I'M HAPPY FOR YOU! You have what most videophiles can only dream of. That being a dedicated HT with 110" picture!
#46 "I REALLY like your HT setup, and for a $1000 (Native: 854x480 Pixels) projector with a wall WITH GREY PAINT FOR A SCREEN, it is nice. I hope you enjoy it!"
The above thread is where all this got started. I gave MANY COMPLIMENTS, what I got in return was....well, you go back and read the entire thread and see for yourself. Did I end-up defending myself.....yes!
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In addition to the untreated wood and brick walls, there are a number of fairly sizeable shortcomings in other areas that are glaring in my estimation.
What shortcomings? Your estimation? I really got to see your Media room, you seem to have such high standards, I bet your room is wonderful! Let's see: LCoS Projector, 133" 16x9 fixed Draper screen, Panamorph Lens, multi-level seating, 23 HD channels, D-VHS, Flagship Definitive Technology L/R/C (each with powered subs >2k watts), Sunfire Sub for LFE (>2k watts), state-of-the-art inwalls for true 7.1, Flagship Denon AVR, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, 50hrs of HD DVR.........HUMMMMmmmm....I'm, not feeling too bad here! No matter who walks into this room, I'm told I have the absolute best setup they have ever seen. I'm not talking about next-door neighbors here (although it's certainly fun to see their faces!), I'm talking about industry professionals. But I have worked hard, and for many years to achieve this equipment & setup, of course working in the industry helps!
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
Much easier for NA to buy a new projector when the time arrives than it is for you to deal with your issues.
I love NA's Media Room. It's is AWESOME! He should be very proud. He has what most videophiles can only dream of having. When you read the thread I posted above, you will see I ONLY took issue with his wanting to proclaim 480p superior to 1080i. I didn't start "slamming" him 'till he smashed me several times. BTW, NA has said one good about my setup. Now, do I still seem so smug? And the personality difference happened only after I got slammed several times. BTW, Jim, you never mentioned his GREY PAINTED wall for a screen. How do you think that fits into your definition of a Multi-Media Room?
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You do have a really nice projector though and I wish I had more light control in my room, which has other issues of it's own.
Thank you Jim, I always nice to meet somebody that recognizes what this projector really is. I got it 3yrs ago, and I have never seen a better picture. LCoS is "seemless" with no artifacting, or screendoor effect. The colors (especially in HD) are so life like!
Jim, I was a LOOOONGGGGG time member here, but after being gone for a year or so, my username was dropped so I had to re-register. I'm NOT new here, and I think if you look around you will see that I have a very good reputation with some of the older/more KNOWLEDGABLE members here ie Smokey, Terrance to name a couple.
Hopefully, any differences between NA & myself will be handled in a more mature fashion from this point forward. At least, I will do my part!
Regards,
Robert
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....(sometimes MAYBE watch something spicy with the wife beside the fireplace?) !
Waaaay too much info... :D
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Robert, like I said, critcal thinking isn't something you do well. Your first quote says that 21% of tv sales in 2004 were of HDTV's. In order for your quote to mean anything at all in relation the argument you would need to state what percentage of Americans BOUGHT tv's in 2004. Surely you're not that stupid and it's just some sort of temporary mental block and the haze will lift soon. Clearly despite your protests you've done nothing to show he was wrong. The local paper here used the same 10% number within the last week in an article detailing the extension for broadcasters to meet HT standards. Simply put Congress recognizes that the overwhelming majority of Americans do not have HT TV's as of yet.
HD TV is here-HD media is not and it's going to be Easter before the arrival even starts. Even then with competing standards it's not in all likelyhood going to take off like a rocket. At least that's the feeling of many and I tend to agree.
Finally, you can take a dump with headphones on and call it a dedicated listening room if you want. Doesn't change the fact that it's a crapper as far as I"m concerned. As I noted in a previous thread, your room is vastly superior to mine. Doesn't change the fact that it's far from perfect. If you're really curious I'll post my gear in a later thread, I've got a BB game to get to now.
jc
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
Your first quote says that 21% of tv sales in 2004 were of HDTV's. In order for your quote to mean anything at all in relation the argument you would need to state what percentage of Americans BOUGHT tv's in 2004.
Wrong again Oh- Sullied one! The fact that 21% of tv sales in 2004 were HDTV's is a direct quote from here and is the HDTV forecast for the U.S. entitled "U.S. HDTV Forecast 2005 to 2010: Managing Consumer Perceptions to Gain Market Share". Do you think the study is flawed?
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
Surely you're not that stupid and it's just some sort of temporary mental block and the haze will lift soon.
Easy does it there big boy. You're gonna pop a vein! :mad:
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Clearly despite your protests you've done nothing to show he was wrong.
What part of this study do you find wrong or not understand? :confused: This is the most recent study I have found. Do you have a recent study showing proof of your claim?
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
The local paper here used the same 10% number within the last week in an article...
Oh well HELL, the LOCAL newspaper is ALWAYS the last word & authority....lol!! Not doubting your word here Jim, but I would certainly like to see that documentation (or ANY recent recent study/documentation proving your claim of 10%!) Here's an idea, maybe, you can share with your local newspaper the LATEST STUDIES! I'm sure they would appreciate your providing them with current & accurate information! ;)
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
Simply put Congress recognizes that the overwhelming majority of Americans do not have HT TV's as of yet.
(I think you meant to say HD, not HT?) Nope, the majority doesn't, BUT the number is over 21%, and that is more than 2x the 10% you and NA are trying to convince everybody of! I really would like to know what your sources are for your claims regarding 10% of American households have HDTV. Surely you are not just making statements without being able to provide proof or having documentation, and being able to show sources?
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
HD media is not {here} and it's going to be Easter before the arrival even starts. Even then with competing standards it's not in all likelyhood going to take off like a rocket.
Where you been Jim? Come out from under that rock you been hiding! :eek:
I have over 23 HD channels, 50 hours of HD-DVR capacity, D-VHS, and watch HD exclusively (well, 98% is HD viewing).
Here's today's HD Line-up! :cool:
D-VHS Movie Selection
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
Finally, you can take a dump with headphones on and call it a dedicated listening room if you want. Doesn't change the fact that it's a crapper as far as I"m concerned.
Guess that means your not coming over for Pop-Corn and a movie later? :(
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As I noted in a previous thread, your room is vastly superior to mine.
Yeah, and let's see....mine is a "crapper", so yours must be REALLY iccky!
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Doesn't change the fact that it's far from perfect.
FINALLY :eek: YOU ARE RIGHT! It's FAR from perfect, but all that REALLY matters is that I love it and enjoy it on a daily basis! :cool:
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If you're really curious I'll post my gear in a later thread...
Not unless you promise to settle-down a bit, I mean your kinda freaking me
out. :p
And you gotta forgive my (crappy) Multi-Media Room enough to grace me with your presence for at least one movie and some pop-corn the next time you are in the DFW area of Texas.....come-on, you said you like the projector! ;) Seriously, I would love to get a "gear" list. I'm sure you have some really nice stuff, and I promise NOT to call it "crappy"!
Jim, I looked at your profile and read your post history. You seem like a really intellegent guy, and you have some very good knowledge and information. The language you have used with me while describing my gear & HT doesn't seem to be a good representation of the way you usually conduct yourself. Maybe I caught you on a bad day? Come-on now.....I must to have said something that has pissed you off with me. If I did, I sincerely apologize.
Now, you wanna move forward or keep degressing and let it get personal?
Robert
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Waaaay too much info... :D
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, at least I didn't post a pic with it....lol!!!
Robert
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
For my part, you have a smugness about you that rubs me the wrong way.
jc
I think this is the main point. Forget the %'s and who's right or wrong about them. It's the smugness that he shows that's a pain in the butt. I just wish he'd grow up already.
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I think this is the main point. Forget the %'s and who's right or wrong about them. It's the smugness that he shows that's a pain in the butt. I just wish he'd grow up already.
Yeah, you don't want to get confused with the facts when your mind is already made-up....lol! As for me, I would much rather deal in the realms of reality & facts.....with supporting documentation. Sorry that the ACTUAL numbers and facts are of no interest to you. As for who's right or wrong....the numbers don't lie. They are not bias. The numbers are just that what they are.....they don't take sides.
Obviously, you mistake a MEMBER THAT GIVES FACTS, AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION as being "smug". Too bad.
GMichael, you started this thread, and I tried to provide quality input.
Robert
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I'll make it very easy and type very slowly for you Rob.
"By the end of 2004, HDTV sets made up 21% of overall TV sales;"
If every household in America bought a TV in 2004 then 21% of American households would have an HDTV based on the figures for 2004 alone. The very simple and plain fact is that 100% of American households did not buy a TV in 2004. For all you know it was 3% of American households buying a tv in 2004. Get it? Then 21% of that 3% would have HDTVs purchased in 2004. The claims you are making are not supported with the information provided.
Since it's really bothering you - here's the 10% number for you to ponder:
http://www.bethel.edu/~socsco/ComTech/DigitalTV.html
Here's another: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...v.confessions/
Granted here you need to make a leap of faith-the first site claims 110 million tv households in the US. This July 2005 article would translate into slightly more that 10%.
Here's June of 2005 with a whole lot worse than 10%: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art...Special+Report
Here's another one claiming 12% at the end of September 2005 - http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/joelbrinkley/
Here's a 4% cited in June of 2005. http://www.jsonline.com/enter/tvradio/jun05/335203.asp
In truth I didn't actually bother to read through all the articles nor your posts. The 20 minutes I've spent on this is too much time wasted already. My point was simple, or should have been. You want to blast someone and provide a bunch of nonsense that doesn't even apply to the situation to back you up. That's exactly the sort of smugness that rubs me the wrong way. It may be unintentional but it's there none the less.
I have no desire to let this get any more personal then it is already.
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Yeah, you don't want to get confused with the facts when your mind is already made-up....lol! As for me, I would much rather deal in the realms of reality & facts.....with supporting documentation. Sorry that the ACTUAL numbers and facts are of no interest to you. As for who's right or wrong....the numbers don't lie. They are not bias. The numbers are just that what they are.....they don't take sides.
Obviously, you mistake a MEMBER THAT GIVES FACTS, AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION as being "smug". Too bad.
GMichael, you started this thread, and I tried to provide quality input.
Robert
I'm not confused at all. The fact is that you are smug and a pain in the butt.
As far as HDTV, I plan on getting ready for it. I wish you were right about it being ready now. Buit I can wait.
The facts are not the problem people have with you. It's the way you like to talk down to people. And somehow I don't think I'm the first, or even second to tell you this.
By the way, your numbers are based on the sales of TV's durring one year. Do you really think that every house in the US bought a new TV last year? Wake up and smell the coffee. The numbers are not on your side. I wish they were. But they aren't.
That's right, I started this thread. Most people gave good input. You gave smugness. (if that's even a word)
Now try to learn how to work and play well with others. And for G.ds sake, keep up on your meds from now on.
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Old, Old, Old....how 'bout something within the past 5 yrs?
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Yeah, slightly more as in 13%. Thanks for the article though, These are direct quotes from your source!....and you thought I was smug-
"High Definition" for all of you dinosaur sports fans out there who are still not familiar with what we like to call "modern technology." How is that Model-T holding up, anyway? You figure out the Hula Hoop yet? Back away from the Rubik's Cube, man, you're scaring me.""I know that sounds condescending but I feel pretty safe in assuming the majority of those reading this column don't have HDTV and that mere fact makes me a higher life form than you. (Not a god, necessarily, but at least a minor deity of some sort.)"
"If you are a part of this ultra-exclusive club, I offer a hearty congratulations as we bestride the narrow world like a Colossus. As for {non-HD}, you have my condolences."
"HDTV is the best luxury item to come along since central A/C....If you've never seen an HD broadcast, just think about how finely detailed your highest-grade DVD looks and realize that HD is way better."
"When you watch a football game, you can count the individual blades of grass on the field. If it's snowing, you can discern the shapes of the snowflakes....You'll get so spoiled watching sports in HD that you will think twice about attending an event live if it is being broadcast in HD."
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Sources please? Which study?
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A BLOG? You gotta be kidding me? Your using BLOG's as your RESEARCH SOURCE?
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
They don't say that 4% is the number of HDTV's in American Households. Don't continue to try to confuse.........
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
In truth I didn't actually bother to read through all the articles nor your posts.
Why does that not surprise me?
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
You want to blast someone and provide a bunch of nonsense that doesn't even apply to the situation to back you up.
Thought you "didn't actually bother to read" my post? So, how could you actually know if it was nonsense? Now, which is it.....did you read it and it was nonsense or did you lie when you said you "didn't actually bother to read"?
You know what, I'm really tired of arguing with NON-HD people that DON'T EVEN HAVE A MULTI-MEDIA ROOM! Tell ya' what, get HD & a Multi-Media Room then let's talk. After all this is the HOME THEATER FORUM....lol!!! And I wouldn't qualify anybody as having a HT that didn't have an HD equipped HOME THEATER (Home Theater Forum....you get it?)
Robert
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As far as HDTV, I plan on getting ready for it.
Congratulations! I'll quote the link your friend JC gave me :
"High Definition" for all of you dinosaur sports fans out there who are still not familiar with what we like to call "modern technology." How is that Model-T holding up, anyway? You figure out the Hula Hoop yet? Back away from the Rubik's Cube, man, you're scaring me."- Quoted from here
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I wish you were right about it being ready now.
Wait for what? It's here, and it's beautiful!
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And somehow I don't think I'm the first, or even second to tell you this.
Of course you are not the first. GM, you are not the first to say anything. You are a "bandwagon" person. Somebody says something, then you hop on the bandwagon. Your a Parrot. You hear "Robert's smug" (imagine a parrot's voice here), then you repeat 'Robert's smug....Robert's smug"....lol!
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The numbers are not on your side. I wish they were. But they aren't.
Look, I could REALLY give flying flip if the total percentage of American Households with HDTV is 10%, 13% or 20%. HDTV is here, and it's growing baby! But the most important thing is, I'm enjoying it EVERYDAY!
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And for G.ds sake, keep up on your meds from now on.
Do you hear that Parrot in the distance....LOL!!! Now you're Parroting MY lines....LOL!
GM, you started this thread, and you have had given ZERO input (not 1 post!) until now, and you jump on the bandwagon. For Gods sakes Scarecrow, follwo the yellow brick road and get a brain! Seriously, learn to think for yourself or you will always be a followerer! NA & JC may not always be around for you to Mimic & Parrott.
Lest we forget this is the HT Forum..........You heard the milk commercial that says "You Got It?" Well, if you don't have HT......SHHHHHhhhhhh! Hang around and LISTEN, that is a good way to learn!
Robert
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Good God I log on today to see this crap still going on? Robert if all 10 or so of these HD channels are so great, why are you spending every waking moment sitting on your duff trying to cut everyone in this forum down? STFU and go watch your HD whilst jacking off since it gives you such a huge boner. I think you need a good woman, if just for one night. That would make a huge difference in your attidute and then maybe you'd understand why the rest of us could really care less about what you think about our systems.
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I heard HD gives you cancer! It's true, I read it in a book. It also makes your hair line recede and your testicles shrivel!
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Dang if that's true then Robert should look like Gollum by now! Makes sense actually...I can see him crouched in the corner eating raw fish and wrestling with the demons in his head, all the while trying to protect 'his precious' HDTV :)
Actually I guess that joke is wasted on Robert since he does not go to the movies, refuses to watch DVD's, and LOTR won't be out on HD-DVD for another 3 years or so...if at all.
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I see you finally let go of the losing proposition that was your quotes. I've been flipping the switch but you didn't seem to have a bulb in the socket. Better late than never.
To respond-
quote 1 includes information as recent as October of 2005 and includes 2004 actual sales. Not sure where you come up with 5 years old. Oh yeah, I forgot who I was dealing with. My bad.
Quote 2-Yeah, 13% v. 10%. I can see why you are so bothered. Hope you were able to catch Whopner, Rainman.
Quote 3-If you want the full cites on the source-subscribe and look it up for yourself. You're telling me you're lazy too? I mean come on, I've already had to explain your own quotes to you surely you can carry some of the load.
quote 4 - a blog? Well, yeah I guess it's a blog. A blog that includes the cites for the information. He refers to and names three independent research firms. Holy carp-what on earth do you think the Jupiter Research Company is? You do remember citing them, right? I was wrong, you really may be that stupid.
And in the end, we really can be done with this. People capable of comprehension know what's going on here. If there was any doubt at all:
"You know what, I'm really tired of arguing with NON-HD people that DON'T EVEN HAVE A MULTI-MEDIA ROOM! Tell ya' what, get HD & a Multi-Media Room then let's talk. After all this is the HOME THEATER FORUM....lol!!! And I wouldn't qualify anybody as having a HT that didn't have an HD equipped HOME THEATER (Home Theater Forum....you get it?)"
Well, Robert I do have HD, and have for a while. I have what could be called a multi-media room if I was a pompous jag off. I actually think of it as my HT and in your world it wouldn't qualify as that. In the end it's a glorified family room, mainly because I have a family. I also read the morning paper in there while I listen to some music. Occasionally I have friends over and we'll sit in there and visit. I certainly don't have what anyone on earth would call a "dedicated home theater". It's got a fireplace in it after all.
And I am being dead serious here, my moment of denseness if you will. I really don't get your parting shot at all. You say "And I wouldn't qualify anybody as having a HT that didn't have an HD equipped HOME THEATER (Home Theater Forum....you get it?)" I really don't get it. If it was "High Definition Forum" then I'd get it. Kind of. Are you saying that without HD you can't have a Home Theater? Seriously?? What have people been doing the last 15 years? In your little private world the only movies that are available are broadcast movies so now watching broadcast tv is the only ht? Personally I think you've lost it.
Nice chatting with you. At the very least we've uncovered one nut job and given everyone else a little drama to follow.
Regards,
jc
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And in the end, we really can be done with this.....jc
I know you have trouble reading entire post, so I'll make this short for you. Wow! From reading your post history, I never realized what a Douch-Bag you are! Being you must really suck?
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...only movies that are available are broadcast movies so now watching broadcast tv is the only ht?
You really didn't read my post! You REALLY need to crawl out from under that rock you been hiding! D-VHS, More than 23 HD channels, 5 HD-Movie channels (uncut & uncensored), and 50hrs of HD DVR........you must really be confused about what's out there.
Here is todays HD Line-up
And here is D-VHS titles
You guys don't have to like it, but I'm certainly enjoying it!
JC, I guess you didn't want to drop it?
Robert
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....watch your HD whilst jacking off...it gives you such a huge boner.
OMG, we got the Village Idiot back (Hey Moe!)....lol! You should be happy to know that Larry & Curly left bread crumbs for you to find your way back!
Robert
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Congratulations! I'll quote the link your friend JC gave me :
"High Definition" for all of you dinosaur sports fans out there who are still not familiar with what we like to call "modern technology." How is that Model-T holding up, anyway? You figure out the Hula Hoop yet? Back away from the Rubik's Cube, man, you're scaring me."- Quoted from here
Wait for what? It's here, and it's beautiful!
Of course you are not the first. GM, you are not the first to say anything. You are a "bandwagon" person. Somebody says something, then you hop on the bandwagon. Your a Parrot. You hear "Robert's smug" (imagine a parrot's voice here), then you repeat 'Robert's smug....Robert's smug"....lol!
Look, I could REALLY give flying flip if the total percentage of American Households with HDTV is 10%, 13% or 20%. HDTV is here, and it's growing baby! But the most important thing is, I'm enjoying it EVERYDAY!
Do you hear that Parrot in the distance....LOL!!! Now you're Parroting MY lines....LOL!
GM, you started this thread, and you have had given ZERO input (not 1 post!) until now, and you jump on the bandwagon. For Gods sakes Scarecrow, follwo the yellow brick road and get a brain! Seriously, learn to think for yourself or you will always be a followerer! NA & JC may not always be around for you to Mimic & Parrott.
Lest we forget this is the HT Forum..........You heard the milk commercial that says "You Got It?" Well, if you don't have HT......SHHHHHhhhhhh! Hang around and LISTEN, that is a good way to learn!
Robert
The 55" Sony I have now is 1080i/780p. I just have quality issues with it, and I'd like to get a larger viewing area.
So, you have a bandwagon of people here telling you that you are a pompus j.rk? How about the rest of the people in your life? No one else has said this to you?
I do have HT. Can't you read my list of equipment? It may not be $40,000 but it sure does 7.1 very well.
SSSSHHHHHHH........ now who's mimicing who. I've seen you use this line several times sinse I said it to you a couple of weeks ago. Get your own mind will ya. Yep, I quoted you. Get over it.
Seems to me I did post a few more than once here. Trouble counting too?
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Oh, and you do have a very nice HT room. Good work there.
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Oh, and you do have a very nice HT room. Good work there.
Thanks GM, I REALLY would like to get along here.
Robert
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Thanks GM, I REALLY would like to get along here.
Robert
Works for me.
The fire place is a nice touch. I still haven't decided on which room I want mine in. Do you have any sound issues with yours?
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OK, you made one excellent point in all of this -Dvhs. It's not something I give a lot of thought to, for a number of reasons. To call it a languishing format would be an understatement. To spend 30 to 40 bucks on a title in a format that nobody thinks is going to survive didn't make any sense to me, clearly you thought otherwise. Maybe that will turn out to be a good investment for you. So, hat's off to you. It took a while but you actually made a good point and clearly win that one.
jc
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