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I'm no collector
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Originally Posted by GMichael
I bought a BR disc in August. Also bought a PS3 game at the same time. Both were $30. Watched the movie and got 2 hours of enjoyment. ($15/hr) If I ever watch it again that cost will get cut down. Played the game for 130 hours so far, and will probably play it again tonight. (0.23/hr)
I haven't bought any more BR disc since. May not anytime soon.
I can't really figure why I'd pay $30 for a BluRay or even $15 for a DVD. I'm a well-know cheapskate but I'd rather rent for Zip.ca for about C$2.50 a movie. Heck, that's six viewings for $15. The last flick I bought was Der Untergang six or eight months ago, and I was a special case given I'm a minor WWII and Nazi history buff.
I can't entirely convince my wife of this approach, though. She a sucker for the used DVD bin at Blockbuster. Her collection is about 500 DVDs.
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I can't figure out why you'd buy a "BlueRay" period. You still watch an analog TV don't you?
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So true
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
I can't figure out why you'd buy a "BlueRay" period. You still watch an analog TV don't you?
So very true :cryin:
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I'll start the fund drive to get you into the 21st century as well. Sound good? We'll start with a bake sale. :thumbsup:
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I can't figure out why you'd pay MSRP for a blu-ray .......
I get ALL of my movies on sale..... DVD or Blu-ray..... plenty of $15 blu-rays out there if you look.... and not just junk titles either.
I buy used a lot too though.
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If you go into most of the B&M stores the titles are higher, wanting to make money on that impulse buyer like GM. Those who can wait, can save with online purchase of Br movies. On average a BR is about $10.00 more than the same title on DVD.
It's not hard to believe a sub $199.00 BR player on "black Friday" when the Sony s300 and Samsung 1500 are basically there. I don't think that price will be the norm but who knows people are snagging the Sony s550 for $299.00 online which is a heck of a deal.
I do think the software prices are keeping most people from jumping on BR It's a bit of a sticker shock when you walk down the isle of Wal-Mart who is known for cheap prices and see BR titles for $30.00 and $35.00. I was at Target Saturday and walked the isle just to see if any deals, and there wasn't, Iron Man was $35.00. Not everyone is willing, able or knows to shop online.
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Thanks....
Thanks for the knowledge. Nice tro know they didn't pull that $30.00 figure out of their butts. More information for me to ponder.
Da Worfster
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Well, here's my unsolicited thoughts on the relevance of the $30 BluRay this year:
I'm probably not the average a/v consumer - I suspect I spend more on that stuff than vast majority of Joe-the-Plumber's would (as would most regulars on an a/v site like this). I have by ar.com standards what I expect to be a small video collection - maybe 150-200 DVD's or so and another 20-30 various TV series complete seasons. I've never actually counted so it could be more than that now that I start thinking, but when I see guys like Wooch and Mrs. Feanor claim 500+ I know I'm a minor leaguer on the video side of things. I probably only purchase 10-15 or so a year. Maybe, and that's if it was a good year. I only like owning DVD's I know I'll watch enough that its cheaper to buy once than rent as much as I'll watch it. Okay, I don't always do that calculation - but a movie like, oh, say, "The Transporter"...seen it, liked it, but don't care if I ever see it again. Not gonna buy it. It's a rental...once. I'll watch it on TV, or probably never again. Now a classic like the Godfather, Full Metal Jacket, Goonies...I'll buy that.
My rent-to-purchase ratio would be at least 10:1. Some months it could be 20-1 or more.
I suspect the vast majority of DVD owners and BluRay owners were the same.
To that extent, the software pricing is not much of an issue, and shouldn't be a deterrent to adopting your first BluRay player, since BluRays are only nominally more expensive to rent on average than a DVD.
I suspect by this time next year BluRay titles will be cheaper to buy, same as it was with DVD.
As for guys still sitting on the fence...at $200, I say why the hell not? Especially for folks on this forum. I owned no less than 3 DVD players in my main system from early 2000 through 2006, some were bought used, etc, but each was an upgrade. I might even buy 1 last Oppo just for good measure since their cheap and better now at 1/3 the MSPR of the last player I bought.
I suspect for a great many people, the first BluRay player they buy will get relegated to secondary system duty before too long, but still serve the household.
In the meantime, jump on the BluRay train and enjoy 1080p in all its glory.
I know money doesn't grow on trees, but $200 is less than:
- a bad night out with the boys,
- I lose on the damn Chargers to my brother annually
- the cost of me forgetting my wife's birthday,
- annual speeding/parking ticket expense.
You guys deserve no less.
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Great post Kex! I'm pretty much of the same attitude. The list of DVD's & BD's I own can be counted on two hands; the majority of which are concert DVD's, so the occasional $15 - $25 expense for a BD title is pretty much insignificant in the big financial picture.
All seriousness aside for just one minute... when did Mr. Feanor become Mrs. Feanor? How should we address you now Bill Bailey? Also, can you post up a pic of yourself? :ihih:
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Originally Posted by Worf101
"Can't we all jes... git along????"
Ah guess not!!!!! Sigh, what happens when you like two guys who just keep pokin' one another in the eye and tappin' one another in the ball sack. Play nice dang it!!!
Da Worfster
I'm not afraid to say so, but I enjoy the conflict. There's a lot of information to be gleened. The back and forth banter is much more entertaining than reading a white paper. I don't really care for the insults from either side, but without them the discussion would have the entertainment value of a high-school debate, informational, but not too entertaining. Kudos to both sides, but I believe Sir T has more than an upper edge on this one. Time well spent reading.
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Rich, keep up here, you obviously missed one of Feanor's posts, I think, sometimes humor goes over my head, but, in case, Mr. Feanor don't buy movies but Mrs. Feanor likes to raid the used movie bin at the local rental joint and has built up a mighty DVD collection of about 500 titles. This is the referred to collection and Mrs. Feanor. Bill has to have some one to take care of him :)
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I'm going to guess that the one way that Display Port is going to cross-over from the PC side to the HT side is through gaming. I suspect that aside from Apple-branded gear, game consoles will be the first non-PC devices to start including it. The big advantage on the PC side over VGA, DVI and HDMI, is that it lowers the manufacturing costs and in that industry margins are already razor-thin. PC Gaming consoles are essentially computers, so Display Port will also reduce costs for them and they could even include a cheap $10 Display Port to HDMI converter cable, if necessary to sweeten the deal.
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I thought earlier in this post it was stated Displayport wasn't HD capable or some such short coming vs HDMI. Graphics is very important in the gaming arena.
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ONE thing blu has done is get me back into the rental store(like the 30 times I went looking for IRON MAN)
dvd JUST COULDN'T COMPETE against VOD in HD.
However with Blu its no contest.
I have seven titles now, will buy more, but renting discs has augmented my viewing enjoyment considerably.
There is one disc you just have to see, DOOMSDAY.
This is a disc I wanted to dislike, but the color and detail was just amazing, as was the sound, and I found myself getting into the story.
Terminator II is the best bargain, at fourteen bucks you get the
remastered HD version that was used on the shortlived WMA HD format, a very highq release.
Once again a BLU PURCHASE is a no-brainer, its the bargain of a lifetime.
AND dont worry about "upconversion", its actually a nonissue.
You are going to find that DVD , after watching HD for awhile, simply wont cut it, no matter how good the "upconversion"(which really isn'tan "upconversion " at all).
I just watched a weekend of football in HD, every day I watch the price is right, which is simply amazing in HD (trust me), its got to the point that everything I watch is in HD these days, SD DVD in comparison is just BLAHHH.:1:
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The movie companies must be counting on people having the same attitude as you Pix. The software, except a couple examples as you mentioned like T2, the price of a BR new release is double a standard DVD. Every DVD new release I've seen so far recently has sold for $14.99 to $15.99 and that's in B&M stores. The BR same title is $30.00 give or take. I think Kung Fu Panda was $27.95 and that was on Amazon. Some of the BR players may be dropping in price but the software is staying high. I wanted to buy my kids Tinker Bell, again $15.00 vs $30.00, I'm not going to be watching it, no brainer, the DVD is fine. If the difference was within $5.00 or so I might have gone ahead and bought BR. I have a BR player for the TV where they do the most viewing. I really find this interesting since both DVD and BR same titles come from same company, the DVD new releases have actually dropped about $5.00. New releases on DVD used to cost $20.00 or more. They may be $15.00 for the first week and then go up but you can now buy new release DVD's all day long for $15.00 and they stay there or drop as time goes on while BR disc remain hubbering around $30.00. Some can claim this isn't so and show a few sales online but normal pricing is just how I stated it, especially for B&M stores. $30.00 is just out of range for me to spend for a movie. The few titles I own have either been bought via online specials or used. I won't start buying off the shelf BR discs until they drop about $10.00.
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
Rich, keep up here, you obviously missed one of Feanor's posts, I think, sometimes humor goes over my head, but, in case, Mr. Feanor don't buy movies but Mrs. Feanor likes to raid the used movie bin at the local rental joint and has built up a mighty DVD collection of about 500 titles. This is the referred to collection and Mrs. Feanor. Bill has to have some one to take care of him :)
Okay, I get it. I occasionally have a "topspeed" moment.
Great thread nevertheless so I'll return to my seat in the balcony. :yesnod:
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Speaking of him, I wonder where the ole tugboat driver has been lately?
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Specs for Display Port
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
I thought earlier in this post it was stated Displayport wasn't HD capable or some such short coming vs HDMI. Graphics is very important in the gaming arena.
According to Wikipedia:
Technical specifications
* 10.8 Gbit/s forward link channel supports high resolution displays with a single cable.†
* 8B/10B data transmission (up to 2.7 GHz symbol rate, up to 4 lanes, 8B/10B modulation).
* Reduced bandwidth transmission for 15 metre cable (at least 1920x1080p60, 24 bpp).
* Full bandwidth transmission for 2 metre cable.
* Supports color depth of 6, 8, 10, 12 and 16 bits per color component.
* Supports YCbCr color space (ITU-R BT.601-5 and BT.709-4), 4:2:2 chroma subsampling
* Supports legacy signal streams (analog and DVI/HDMI]]); backward compatibility achieved with adapters/dongles
* 128-bit AES DisplayPort Content Protection (DPCP) support, and support for 40-bit High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) from version 1.1 onwards.
* Supports internal and external connections so that one standard can be used by computer makers reducing costs.[4]
* Open and extensible standard to help with broad adoption.
General and technical overviews can be downloaded at DisplayPort.org.
† Not taking into account blanking (20-30% overhead for GTF, 10-20% for CVT-RB):
1920 × 1080 × 60fps × 24bpp = 3.0 Gbit/s,
1920 × 1200 × 60fps × 30bpp = 4.1 Gbit/s,
2560 × 1600 × 60fps × 30bpp = 7.4 Gbit/s,
4096 × 2160 × 24fps × 36bpp = 7.7 Gbit/s,
Note: Bpp is the number of bits for each pixel; for RGB and YCbCr 4:4:4, the bpp value is three times the bits per color component (bpc); for YCbCr 4:2:2 subsampling, the bpp value is twice the bpc value.
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