Ain't it Funny How Vizio.....

Cats and dogs...
Cats and dogs...

I'm pretty sure Vizio is the "official" tv of the NFL even though I doubt many NFL players own a Vizio. (That may change with the lock-out.) Anyhow, it probably cost some bucks to get into that position with the NFL. Wonder what happens with their contract with the league if there's no football this year?

Similarly, every time I see an add or promo during an NBA game saying that Hyundai is the official automaker of the NBA, I say OK, show me one NBA player driving a Hyundai. I'm sure we'll see Kobe Bryant on MTV Cribs taking us into his garage and showing us his Sonata with 22in rims. I'm sure someone caught a glimpse of Commissioner Stern leaving a Finals game in his Elantra.

(Nothing against those two manufacturers. Both have been around long enough to put out quality products. I just find the relationships amusing.)

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Originally Posted by Worf101

All I'm saying is that Visio's ain't such a bargain anymore.... Not that it has poor this or excellent that, just that its no longer cheap.... IN PRICE.

Worf

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SAY anything about VIZIO and you get a speech from Talky
about how you're a HT sinner iffen you don't have a zillion
dollar science project made up of antique CRTS and scalers
that "the boys from work" cobbled up for you.
VIZIO is a decent real world way for the masses to watch HD,
no matter what the price. At a time when I couldnt afford better
they got me by.
UNFORNUNATELY that day is passing, they built up their market share, and the window for a great bargain is closing.
WILL probably happen with Emotiva someday, haven't seen
their 125wpc amp on sale for 250 bucks in a long time.
Such is the way of the world.:1:

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Originally Posted by pixelthis

SAY anything about VIZIO and you get a speech from Talky
about how you're a HT sinner iffen you don't have a zillion
dollar science project made up of antique CRTS and scalers
that "the boys from work" cobbled up for you.
VIZIO is a decent real world way for the masses to watch HD,
no matter what the price. At a time when I couldnt afford better
they got me by.
UNFORNUNATELY that day is passing, they built up their market share, and the window for a great bargain is closing.
WILL probably happen with Emotiva someday, haven't seen
their 125wpc amp on sale for 250 bucks in a long time.
Such is the way of the world.:1:

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Pix, I don't think you are a sinner. I think you are cheap as hell. There is a difference. I guess you feel that because you owned a Vizio, it is a quality television set. Hold on to that thought if it makes you feel better, but the reality is, it is a(notso) cheap low performing set in the real world.

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Originally Posted by bobsticks

Lol, my otherworldly friend, you didn't think that this thread would actually stay on message did you?

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One can ALWAYS hope can't one? I guess i'm an idjit, ever since I got into my first flame war ump-teen years ago I've tried to never say anything online I wouldn't say to a person's face. I'm just funny that way. I disagree with plenty of folks, even some on here. However unless it's a personal attack there's no reason for me respond in-kind and even then, it usually isn't worth it. And, silly me, I wish I could get all my friends on here to "civilly" disagree but I guess it ain't gonna happen. Still hope is better than dope!!!

Da (Don't Call me Ghandi) Worfster

I disagree.

(Does that help?)

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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

I am no more a snob on video than the audio guys are on audio. Whether you are strongly into home theater or audio, or both, you want the best performance you can get for the dollar. Most audio guys believe a receiver will never be good enough as a pre-pro for a high end system. I would say the same for a Vizio television in the world of video. Vizio's are good for casual applications, like a second set in a bedroom. However, nobody in their right mind would recommend one for their primary viewing area, if performance is a big factor.

When you have owned, or own a Sony, Samsung, or Panasonic set, Vizio cannot sit in the same room. The mid price sets from these companies outperform the high end Vizio sets. In many cases their lower tier sets do as well. Considering Vizio recent price hikes, it is no longer a real value when based on price versus performance factors.

As I have said before, whomever has purchased a Vizio set, enjoy it. But just keep it real what you have purchased. Vizio is not made for prime time, or prime space in a home theater where performance is major factor.

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Terrence...I said that as a joke with understanding that you knew I was/am a audio snob. I suspect you do know it.:yesnod:

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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

The same cannot be said for a Vizio Television. ;)

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LoL.....:yikes:

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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

You cannot get the best out of the media unless you have a display that can accurately render it. A Vizio set does not do that, at any price range.

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Dis-agree here Terence....im looking at one as I type this and it pretty accurate.

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Originally Posted by Worf101

All I'm saying is that Visio's ain't such a bargain anymore.... Not that it has poor this or excellent that, just that its no longer cheap.... IN PRICE.

Worf

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Well, I didn't break the bank buying it.....nor was it the cheapest in the store price wise....but it sure is pretty to look at! And... I got my three year warranty just in case tho.

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Originally Posted by dean_martin

I'm pretty sure Vizio is the "official" tv of the NFL even though I doubt many NFL players own a Vizio. (That may change with the lock-out.) Anyhow, it probably cost some bucks to get into that position with the NFL. Wonder what happens with their contract with the league if there's no football this year?

Similarly, every time I see an add or promo during an NBA game saying that Hyundai is the official automaker of the NBA, I say OK, show me one NBA player driving a Hyundai. I'm sure we'll see Kobe Bryant on MTV Cribs taking us into his garage and showing us his Sonata with 22in rims. I'm sure someone caught a glimpse of Commissioner Stern leaving a Finals game in his Elantra.

(Nothing against those two manufacturers. Both have been around long enough to put out quality products. I just find the relationships amusing.)

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And what car was Tiger Woods driving when his wife clubbed him upside the head with that golf Club when she found out about all his whores and then he wrecked the SUV???? Sure did not look like a Buick.

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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

Pix, I don't think you are a sinner. I think you are cheap as hell. There is a difference. I guess you feel that because you owned a Vizio, it is a quality television set. Hold on to that thought if it makes you feel better, but the reality is, it is a(notso) cheap low performing set in the real world.

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He Terrence ...I own a Vizio...so take this:prrr:

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Originally Posted by frenchmon

He Terrence ...I own a Vizio...so take this:prrr:

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congrats.
AND THAT great picture? THATS JUST AN ILLUSION.
If Talky sez that it doesn't exist...it must not! Your eyes deceive
you!
YOU NEED to run not walk to the nearest SALVATION ARMY
or other thrift store, buy a CRT RPTV so dim you cant see it
except in the woods during lunar eclipses. Or custom build a
front projector with special ordered parts from EDMUNDS
scientific(out of business? TOUGH).
or you could buy a plasma, or donate plasma, whatever.
Anyway...enjoy.:1:

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Originally Posted by frenchmon

Dis-agree here Terence....im looking at one as I type this and it pretty accurate.

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Sorry Frenchmon, but your eyes are very poor measuring devices, and opinions are just what they are. When measured with actual measuring devices, almost all Vizio models exhibit mediocre color accuracy, mediocre dynamic contrast, mediocre to poor black levels, and generally poor shadow detail.

I can say(in a vacuum) that the Delos Dolby Digital version of the 1812 Overture sounds great. However, when I compared that Dolby Digital version to the DTS High Resolution Master Audio version, that is when I realize how much the compression of Dolby Digital is effecting the quality of the audio. The same can be said for any Vizio. They look good standing all by themselves, but when put up to a Samsung, Sony of Panasonic, that is when you see how truly mediocre their performance is. Now that they are no longer a bargain, why bother with a second(bordering on third) tier set, when you can purchase the middle of the line model from the first tier manufacturers that will outperform it.

No offense Frenchmon, but a little reality is in order here. Budweiser will never be Dom Pérignon.

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Originally Posted by frenchmon

He Terrence ...I own a Vizio...so take this:prrr:

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:lol: ahhhhhh frenchmon, thanks for the love man ;)

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Originally Posted by pixelthis

AS FOR vizio, several million satisfied customers disagree with you.

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There are also several million Bose Lifestyle owners.....but they still own low quality gear...just sayin.

Hi all, need some receiver advice for paradigm speakers

can anyone help me out?

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Originally Posted by rich66

Hi all, need some receiver advice for paradigm speakers

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Rich, why don't you post a new thread in the appropriate location and give us enough info to actually answer your question.

Otherwise, the answer is Just Buy One.

Ok thanks Hyfi sorry for the inconvenience

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Originally Posted by Worf101

Once it got "decent' reviews and semi-respectable, has jacked up it's prices to where they're HIGHER than some top tier brands. I was looking for a small LCD 27 to 30 inches for a friends bedroom and the Vizio priced for 1080P at those prices is outrageous.

My how the worm has turned.

Worf

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Well, back on topic here, the issue with Vizio is that they need to maintain a price advantage in order to sustain sales. If the prices are equal, Vizio would not be the first choice with most consumers. Since they rely totally on outsource manufacturers and don't do any of their own R&D, they maintain less control over the margins than first tier manufacturers that make their own sets and/or do their own R&D.

With prices and margins falling through the floor, Vizio no longer has as big a price advantage as they did when HDTVs cost more than $2,000. That why they retooled their strategy a couple of years ago by moving more into the midlevel territory, where the margins and price points have not been squeezed as hard.

Your experience has less to do with Vizio charging more than it does the price points dropping with the first tier manufacturers to a point where Vizio no longer has a price advantage with the entry level sets. Right now, entry level HDTVs barely cost more than the bill of goods for the parts.

That's why Vizio has moved over to the midlevel HDTV and accessories markets, where margins are still high enough that they have some room to undercut the prices.

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Originally Posted by Woochifer

Well, back on topic here, the issue with Vizio is that they need to maintain a price advantage in order to sustain sales. If the prices are equal, Vizio would not be the first choice with most consumers. Since they rely totally on outsource manufacturers and don't do any of their own R&D, they maintain less control over the margins than first tier manufacturers that make their own sets and/or do their own R&D.

With prices and margins falling through the floor, Vizio no longer has as big a price advantage as they did when HDTVs cost more than $2,000. That why they retooled their strategy a couple of years ago by moving more into the midlevel territory, where the margins and price points have not been squeezed as hard.

Your experience has less to do with Vizio charging more than it does the price points dropping with the first tier manufacturers to a point where Vizio no longer has a price advantage with the entry level sets. Right now, entry level HDTVs barely cost more than the bill of goods for the parts.

That's why Vizio has moved over to the midlevel HDTV and accessories markets, where margins are still high enough that they have some room to undercut the prices.

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You can stop with all of the outsourcing nonsense...
NOBODY CARES, as long as the set works(they do) and the price is reasonable(it is).
Thats where a lot of these Vizio haters come from, they just can't stand the way Vizio operates. WELL, TOUGH.:1:

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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible

Sorry Frenchmon, but your eyes are very poor measuring devices, and opinions are just what they are. When measured with actual measuring devices, almost all Vizio models exhibit mediocre color accuracy, mediocre dynamic contrast, mediocre to poor black levels, and generally poor shadow detail.

I can say(in a vacuum) that the Delos Dolby Digital version of the 1812 Overture sounds great. However, when I compared that Dolby Digital version to the DTS High Resolution Master Audio version, that is when I realize how much the compression of Dolby Digital is effecting the quality of the audio. The same can be said for any Vizio. They look good standing all by themselves, but when put up to a Samsung, Sony of Panasonic, that is when you see how truly mediocre their performance is. Now that they are no longer a bargain, why bother with a second(bordering on third) tier set, when you can purchase the middle of the line model from the first tier manufacturers that will outperform it.

No offense Frenchmon, but a little reality is in order here. Budweiser will never be Dom Pérignon.

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never mind that a lot are buying Vizios that are sitting next
to Sonys, PANASONICS, etc etc etc..
And of course human senses are fallible, but this is the excuse of
one who has lost his argument. Nobody is going to run
a new set through a battery of tests to measure stuff they cant
even discern, why should they?
HERES a little secret, the "differences" that TALKY and other
slanderers talk about are slight, and unless the difference is
huge..it won't make any difference to buyers!.
WHY pay several hundred dollars more for a slight black level
improvement that you can not even discern? ESPECIALLY
when gas is over four bucks a gallon(although TALKY produces gas in plentiful quantities).:1:

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Originally Posted by pixelthis

never mind that a lot are buying Vizios that are sitting next
to Sonys, PANASONICS, etc etc etc..
And of course human senses are fallible, but this is the excuse of
one who has lost his argument. Nobody is going to run
a new set through a battery of tests to measure stuff they cant
even discern, why should they?
HERES a little secret, the "differences" that TALKY and other
slanderers talk about are slight, and unless the difference is
huge..it won't make any difference to buyers!.
WHY pay several hundred dollars more for a slight black level
improvement that you can not even discern? ESPECIALLY
when gas is over four bucks a gallon(although TALKY produces gas in plentiful quantities).:1:

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The differences I talk about may be slight to you because you are half blind, and don't know what to look for.

As it has already been stated, millions of people buying a mediocre product does not make the product good. It just means millions of folks looked at price instead of actual performance.

One mans floor is another ceiling. Obviously my floor is your ceiling.

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Originally Posted by pixelthis

You can stop with all of the outsourcing nonsense...

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How's it nonsense if it's TRUE? Are you saying that Vizio makes their own TVs (they don't) or that that they handle their own customer service (they don't) or that they do their own R&D (they don't)?

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Originally Posted by pixelthis

NOBODY CARES, as long as the set works(they do) and the price is reasonable(it is).

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It matters in that Vizio cannot maintain their pricing advantage once the margins get as razor thin as they currently are. That's why they're moving to the midmarket, because they can no longer trump Samsung, LG, Sony, or Panasonic's entry level models on price.

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Originally Posted by pixelthis

Thats where a lot of these Vizio haters come from, they just can't stand the way Vizio operates. WELL, TOUGH.:1:

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How is it "hating" by pointing out the reality of their business plan? Fanboys like you just keep attacking the messenger without addressing anything (or even reading the whole post for that matter).