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    Quote Originally Posted by DMK
    So you don't trust any of your perceptions until they're validated as reality by someone else?
    Correct. However, I feel more confident if I ABX or DBT perception X and pass. Of course, this does not establish as fact yet since much more extensive testing/scrutiny need to be subjected to the results.

    I feel you may be confusing matters. I am only referring to the perception vs. reality conclusions of perception X in relation to what can be considered fact or discussed with certainty. I have no adversions to enjoying/accepting unverified perceptions; I just do not and would not refer to them as certainties/facts when they have not been established as such. They would only be my perceptions.

    Example of errored statement: I heard product Y and the imaging was superior then product Z.

    Example of proper statement: I heard product Y and my perception was that the imaging was superior to product Z.

    In the first example, the claim was made as fact, when this certainly is not verified. The 2nd example is an accurate statement in the case of an unverified claim. Regardless of the difference(s) of product Y vs. Z being real or imagined, the 2nd statement remains true.

    -Chris

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    Ok, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by WmAx
    Correct. However, I feel more confident if I ABX or DBT perception X and pass. Of course, this does not establish as fact yet since much more extensive testing/scrutiny need to be subjected to the results.

    I feel you may be confusing matters. I am only referring to the perception vs. reality conclusions of perception X in relation to what can be considered fact or discussed with certainty. I have no adversions to enjoying/accepting unverified perceptions; I just do not and would not refer to them as certainties/facts when they have not been established as such. They would only be my perceptions.

    Example of errored statement: I heard product Y and the imaging was superior then product Z.

    Example of proper statement: I heard product Y and my perception was that the imaging was superior to product Z.

    In the first example, the claim was made as fact, when this certainly is not verified. The 2nd example is an accurate statement in the case of an unverified claim. Regardless of the difference(s) of product Y vs. Z being real or imagined, the 2nd statement remains true.

    -Chris
    I think most people's posts regarding the sound quality of this or that piece of gear is an obvious opinion but Sir Terence states his as facts, so I understand the argument better from your side. And I agree with the essence of your statements above, if not necessarily your take on SACD. But that's only my opinion at this point.

    Do you ABX/DBT everything? I've done enough of that to know that I should pity you if you do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMK
    I think most people's posts regarding the sound quality of this or that piece of gear is an obvious opinion but Sir Terence states his as facts, so I understand the argument better from your side.
    Indeed, that is the point. You can research/search any of the specific issues I point out and verify. Also, you can email me or IM me and I will provide in-depth information, references or summarized information on any of the issues. The real problem for me is (1) people claiming opinions as absolute facts without substantiation [and] (2) when someone acts like they are conversing, but don't bother to read the details of my statements or do any level of reference/research/verification on the specific statements and yet respond with conviction as if they did do those things. Af for my views on SACD, etc., I actually have not made statements about this sounding one way or another; I just question/ask for substantiation of the 'sound' that is claimed by certain other parties on the merit of the actual format. In the event certain people only made these statements about a certain sound or quality as opinions, their would be nothing to debate! :-)


    Do you ABX/DBT everything? I've done enough of that to know that I should pity you if you do!
    No. I only subject myself to such tests when I can not find a reputable referenced perceptual test and that the testing I want to perform is feasible to perform.

    -Chris

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