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Another one who knows a little too much for this site.
I have been doing this for four decades, but one poster said I needed more "experience"
with turntables, when the only choice when I started WAS a turntable!
I am a bit rusty on the actual electronics side but am still quite knowledgable,
but a lot of stuff is anti-intuitive, try to post it and you get attacked as a "know-nothing".
I was even attacked for posting info on Yamahas sound bar, something that has been
on the market for a year, instead of accusing me of making things up all the attacker had to do was go to Yamahas site and read up on this thing!
And Mr peabody is quite polite but I still think hes' a bit leery of what I have posted about a sets resolution.
And the predictions I have made, which I beleive are sound, have been jeered, I have been
accused of stating these as fact, but they are just predictions!
But they have served the purpose of stirring things up a bit.
And peruvian schizoid, you wanna "improve" this site? Well, no more pictures of your ugly
mug, howzabout?
I mean, GOD, I just ate!:(
Let me clarify a few things for you here. First, no one here really gives a hoot about what you say. In fact, you have the lowest reputation on this site currently because A. you don't know what you are talking about B. you think you know everything and C you come across as this ALL KNOWING person and it irritates those who know better.
So now that we have established that much, let's continue here a bit. Just because you have 'experience' with something doesn't mean you know everything that there is and this hobby changes a lot over time and you might THINK you know something, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Your OPINION by the way isn't the ABSOLUTE in anything. However, what irritates us the most is that you try and persuade people into thinking that what you say (again your OPINIONS) are the ONLY way and the ABSOLUTE way.
To give a few examples of this: LCD and Blu-ray. For whatever reason (my guess is your own delusion) you somehow KNOW that those two things are the ONLY thing that last and that you can somehow see into the future. It's one thing if you want to support those two things, but don't come around here claiming that they are BETTER than anything else yadda yadda yah. You don't know if they will last just like anyone else does. Maybe they will and maybe they won't.
Finally, let me address the 'pictures' jab that you threw out. Here's an idea...why don't you post some pictures of all of your gear? Hmmm. Are you too ashamed of what people might say? Or maybe it doesn't even exist to begin with. I am not ashamed to show off what I have or what I look like. I could care less what you think about me or my equipment. Others seem to enjoy it. You are in the minority here and you aren't making too many friends that quick. However, you for some reason think that I am the one that is crazy....well, than everyone else must be too because you are the only person that everyone here pretty much feels the same about. We have even tried to be patient with you and let you rant and rave, but you have pushed far too many buttons. You might be 50 years old, but you are too immature and one of the worst trolls I've ever seen around here. Now, either act right or get out!
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I found this wardrobe picture online...
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Time to take.....
.....stock me thinks. A very good thread. I believe it is important to do a little soul searching now and then.Due to my work commitments my postings during the summer months drop right off (thank god some will say).
I stumbled into here as a PC virgin via the photo gallery. I agree with Kex's comment that AR resembles an Airport lounge. In my opinion AR displays above anything else a rich mixture off tolerance to other members. I met some great people on here and am proud to consider some of them my friends. Discovered some great music and generosity in RR which is full of smart and knowledgable people. As for hardware discussions, yes it can get a little stale especially if you have read enough threads about cables, etc. Never the less it is important to keep these going to attract new members and for me it's very enjoyable to follow someone else's audio journey.
I don't think that incentives will attract the members we would like, most likely one would get trophy hunters. I am also not sure that there is a way to force people to join. Either one joins or one does not. I also enjoy that we do not have a blinkered outlook and don't very often display a very narrow horizion. I would not enjoy to be on a "high end" (whatever that is) or any other specialist only forum.:sleep:
The diversity and the exchange of points of views about other happenings outside audio makes AR the place it is.The sometimes talking of absolute rubbish by some members (I do enough of it and am guilty as charged) lightens the daily ritual a little. I welcome it. All we can do is to continue, and never lose sight that this forum is only as good as the members posts.
As was said before. I consider this small corner of the Universe part of my home.
Phew. Heavy for a saturday morn.
Have a great weekend one and all.
Peace
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I do what I can-when I can, but between my limited knowledge and travel schedule, it is not much. As had been said the people are the main reason I hang out here. The flame wars and brand bashing do become tiresome but like any open forum people bring their own agenda to the table so as you get to know the personalities you get some insight into their perspective/agenda's.
I think Night has a good idea about some sort of easy-standardized review system. Point-Click and Comment. I think if you combined that with a comment section you could create something unique to most of these sites. It might add greater diversity of opinion and equipment.
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I think I know what your saying, I just don't think your saying it right. I think your trying to say AR is trying to be a "jack of all trades but a master of none." i.e. some sites focus on vintage or DIY or ultra-hi-end or HT, where as AR seems to try to address all but doesn't do any particular one very well.
But there is something special about AR that no other site has: the review section and google prominence. AK, Audioholics, ect are all nice but don't have anything near the review section like AR. How many of us wound up hear because of that review section. I know I did. The question is how to leverage that.
Also, the site is to slow.
You nailed it right on the head. Maybe a link to the forum prominently placed on each product to a dedicated forum for that product or just to the forum itself. This is where google and other search engines are picking up the site.
Also, although we have a member gallery, the way it is presented is not conducive to viewing. I would like to see it change to a thumbnail format to make it easier for people to decide whos gallery they want to investigate further.
I would also suggest we whittle down all the categories. It just spreads us out and too thin and some categories just do not get the proper attention from the few of us who contribute. You can't help someone if you do not see their questions.
I would also like to see a resource center for white paper links, room acoustics, ground loop solutions, cabling how to, seating distance for audio, viewing distance calculator for video, speaker placement, audio and video calibration, room mode calculator, etc. If you have tools that people find helpful and come back to the site repeatedly to use, some will stay longer and longer and even join.
I am sure I can think of other ideas given time but we must leverage what brings people to the site in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Bernd
I don't think that incentives will attract the members we would like, most likely one would get trophy hunters. I am also not sure that there is a way to force people to join.
Agreed!
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Originally Posted by westcott
I would also like to see a resource center for white paper links, room acoustics, ground loop solutions, cabling how to, seating distance for audio, viewing distance calculator for video, speaker placement, audio and video calibration, room mode calculator, etc. If you have tools that people find helpful and come back to the site repeatedly to use, some will stay longer and longer and even join.]
Yeah, this is one of the few forums I've visited without useful how-to's, faq's, stickies, etc...
There's been some attempt at this in the past, but surely it wouldn't be too hard to coordinate something - a lot of us would volunteer to write/research a topic or two I'm sure.
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I thought we did have pretty good participation from outside the U.S. I'd guess about 50/50
I'm not into programming but be careful with getting too graphical. I don't think we want to end up with 2 versions of the website, one regular and one text for accessibility. I've noticed some large websites have done this, like Amazon and government websites. Text is better for hand held computer devices and adaptive software. For me, it's not a sites look as much as the content, is it something I want to read, and user friendly. As an example of what not to do, I'd like to visit the Krell website to see what's new if I could but that site is unuseable. It may be because of it being all graphics or some type of new web format. www.krellonline.com. I do use adaptive software and their site I can't get around in.
I don't agree with the being more focused issue. Why would we want to narrow the site down to one specialized forum? This is the right place, just post your question where it belongs. I'm perfectly happy with going to which ever forum that covers my question or new info. The "new post" link easily shows what has been visited lately. If we get more focused we would lose more people. There's no reason for me to stay if this became a planar site or just HT. Many of us have both stereo and HT, computers, portables or whatever. I feel being "more focused" is one of the worst suggestions given. The diverse topics is a plus.
We need to be careful how we oppose some one and be more open minded in order to keep those with more experience here. Hermanv is an EE and has built his own preamps and speakers. MLSTL has experience, Mr. Anderson seems to be our resident computer guy. Edtyct, who I haven't seen here is a long time was big into video. We've disagreed on a topic before but we need to try to keep our knowledgeable folks here. With this being said, it's not how many years you've been doing the hobby that gives you knowledge, Pix., I've been doing the hi fi thing for well over 25 years but it wasn't until maybe the last 10 when I started getting experience with true high end gear and HT. I don't profess to know everything but I start to doubt ones knowledge when they come to the board for the first time and start making wild blanket statements. I had some type of turntable since I was in elementary school collecting 45's, my eyes was not opened until several years back I tried my first Rega, before that, you would have gotten different answers from me. So it's not the years, it's the hands on experience and knowledge. There's turntables, and then, there's turntables. You have to show some respect because not everyone with experience will come on here and start blowing how they are this and that. If one has been into audio for 40 years and never had more than a receiver and speakers, your knowledge is going to be limited to what you've experienced despite the 40 years. We also have to keep in mind how subjective this hobby is and respect that sometimes there's no right or wrong.
For instance, Pix, there is a fair majority of people here who have at least some tube gear in their system and more with tube experience. When you come out of the blue and start spouting off that tubes are relegated to the 30's and a dead technology, you have to expect to lose some credibility fast. The same with turntables. Because you may not have heard a good set up yet doesn't mean there aren't any. If those of us say there are good tube gear and turntables, why wouldn't you start to think, well, maybe they are onto something, or, maybe they've heard something I haven't? But that's not your way and that's why you seem to have become a target. Your credibility is gone and no amount of arguing and name calling will get that back. If you decide to stick it out, the only way to get back on track is by choosing your posts wisely and trying to add substance to the conversation. I could care less if you ever hear another tube amp but don't be condecending to me, or anyone else, because it's my choice. I've had some good solid state gear and now I have tubes, I made my choice based on what I have actually heard and what I enjoy. So quit whining, because, I know MLSTL, and sir, you are no MLSTL.
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Is everybody aware of the sticky at the top of the News & Rumors forum where you can add products? The link still works; I was able to fill in the form although I didn't submit it, and manufacturers also have the opportunity. The point is... let's make sure we're all aware of the existing resources so our criticisms and suggestions have more validity. Although, like I said... are they falling on deaf ears?
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
When you come out of the blue and start spouting off that tubes are relegated to the 30's and a dead technology, you have to expect to lose some credibility fast. The same with turntables. Because you may not have heard a good set up yet doesn't mean there aren't any.
I had a similar disagreement way back with poster Woodman regarding power cords. He said resolutely there could be no possible way different cords could influence the sound. While he had been a TV technician for fifty? years, he had zero exposure to the systems I was referring. When I pointed out the RF filtering aspects, he responded that such cords were no longer power cords. Right.
I think It is important to know what you don't know. I value direct exposure and experience over speculation, however well reasoned it may seem.
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One other thing a post remined me of, we have to be careful how much a manufacturer or their reps get involved here. I remember an incident where a review was requested to be removed because it wasn't glowing, I can't remember who it was now, either Odyssey or Bel Canto. I could see maybe a comment or rebutle place for manufactures if they wanted to respond. I have also had a review of a pair of Klipsch speakers mysteriously disappear. It was not a favorable review but I honestly had them in my home and hooked to my Krell and then some Adcom gear, the speakers were poor in every aspect from sound to build. So, if our review section is not going to be honest or only be one sided, why have it.
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What?
After my last post I got to wondering how many reviews I did have, to my surprise I only have 5. I have written more than that. None of my reviews of my Krell, Arcam or other gear I may have reviewed are here, I reviewed my Denon 1600. Where are these? Do they delete after so much time, did we lose reviews when the website switched to the new format? Are these around somewhere but a profile only counts back so far? Anyone know?
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How about if we would introduce a Dealer only board. Dealers could respond to queris from members, or give their opinion what would go well with what, or/and inform this forum about new releases. As-long as there is no blatant advertising and it is very clear what brands each dealer is involved with.
Just a thought.
I also think that we should stop hankering after the past and who has gone. Those members that have left are totaly unimportant to new members and I am sure that can be off putting and could be misunderstood by some newbie. This is the only forum that I know of without a charmed circle. And long may it continue.
Peace
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I first came to this site for reviews, and I still enjoy reading them everytime I visit this site. But I have yet to find an easy way to search for gears. Why does anyone have to choose a category then click a beginning letter of manufacturer's brand name? Then go thru 500 SONY DVD players before I get to 777 or 999ES.
Why do I have to search:
"A-R.com + product name" on google?
There gotta be an easier way....
But as for AR forums, I like it just fine.
I used to start a thread with basic questions, and used to receive a nice welcome with great info. If it wasnt for them, I woulda ended up with a HTIB. I think we just gotta be nicer and stop being ELITIST JERKS!!
So what is your budget, DA!!!
JRA
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Homogenization...
Sounds to me like the same reasons why those of us who have stayed around are the same reasons (to some degree) why we can here in the first place, which indicates to me that this site needs some versatility in order to attract new people in and have different reasons for keeping them here. For the most part, us regulars, all have similar interests and while we might have a slightly wide range of equipment and styles/tastes, we represent a very small demographic as a whole.
These are all great discussion points, let's keep the buzz going and most of all try and put some things into action once we establish some things.
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pizzaz and function
I'm pretty new here and respect my elders but maybe I have an insight or two. First, the names of threads should be compelling, offering somethin different and interesting. Think about that. Like maybe their should be a brief description of what's inside- a teaser so the speak- to further draw the interest of the browser. A suggestion . . "Diamonds in the Ruff" followed by "lesser known movies to share" or, maybe "your favorite smaller or lessor known films" or "fire away, you got the floor". Whatever begets action. Keep that in mind.
When we title a column "Tweaks, etc." give it a sub title (cause I'm thinking what tweaks?). There is buzz startin about silver fuses and silver paste contact cleaner. Somehow we should make Tweaks less esoteric in meaning, more interesting, now and real world. Always ask, does anyone really want to check this out?
Separate amps from pre amps, tubes from solid state. Where can I listen to samples of new and, perhaps, not easily obtained recordings? Young people are always lookin for tunes. What can we do differently? What would make a new person sign in? Think about what is go to and catchy
And, of course, the colors and graphics need updating. This is a biggy. Everybody in marketing knows that the package is everything. Hamburgers, everything. Look no further that Shandling for an audio example. A rudimentary CD player but with a center piece design. They got out of the gate strong based on looks alone. I built my own wedsite for nothing. If I can do it, etc. If we are talking advertising dollars, you've got to have potential for a larger market. They will take appreciation of our efforts.
You main guys, you know who you are, add color to your commentary. I don't mean humor or sarcasm, tho I love it, the intelligence and wit of smart men and women gases me, use it, but in your description of whatever it is that you're talking about. Review stuff. Somebody step up here. Write articles but don't put readers to sleep. I'm doing one on the heyday of West Coast jazz (I don't promise that it won't put you to sleep) that I'll stick on this bad boy. Management should solicit this sort of thing. HiFi News in the UK, I think it's them, are having a contest to bring on new contributors. A column like this should get a headline. Come on ladies, pick a subject. There is a cat in the galleries that's from Korea (my best guess). Ask him to tell everyone about his audio experience in his native tongue. Let's go after the Far East. Can we translate to incoming? If so, tell em.
Most of you are capable of adding pictures. Do more of that. It's attractive. I don't mean in the galleries, but that's cool, rather with your comments every time it's appropriate. Scan cartoons out of the New Yorker and elsewhere when it's relevant. What . . you don't subscibe to the New Yorker? Start a thread. Visits to the audio store with quotes from the resident experts. Call up designers. What's happening in New York or Seattle? Wanna be the magazine? Start thinking that way. Contribute.
Jaymo, sorry, mate, I know I'm spelling your name wrong, has the most dynamite portrait of a woman on his signature, if that's the right nomenclature. Appearance is everything! Just ask the fashion or cosmetics industries. Worry about substance later. You got that already and it will be appreciated. I know that this statement may be offensive to your intelligence, and if you look like me day to day it's a bitter pill, but it's true.
My favorite example of rebirth is Arm&Hammer baking soda. Once upon a time, ladies baked at home. When they stopped, whadda think their execs were thinking about about? They came up (with the help of some marketing experts, I expect) with the job it does on odor in the fridge. How many households own fridges? And that's sorta kinda of what we're talking about. In their case, they struck with the original packaging. You can't do that.
You have to be unique to do that. We have to get new. They had been a house hold name. Wanna be a house hold (listening room) name? Start thinking that way. But we're gonna have to turn this place upside down first. Yo, it's dooable.
Think cosmetics, points of interest, and in your substance, think that you want he or she to come back.
Now, I'm on my third glass of red, my limit. I've spent more time editing this damn thing than I did writing it. Maybe we're not that ambitious. That's cool, but we can be better. We can be the best.
PS- Much of this has been said already, I mean to confirm that and add some energy if I can.
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Originally Posted by jim goulding
I'm pretty new here and respect my elders but maybe I have an insight or two. First, the names of threads should be compelling, offering somethin different and interesting. Think about that. Like maybe their should be a brief description of what's inside- a teaser so the speak- to further draw the interest of the browser. A suggestion . . "Diamonds in the Ruff" followed by "lesser known movies to share" or, maybe "your favorite smaller or lessor known films" or "fire away, you got the floor". Whatever begets action. Keep that in mind.
When we title a column "Tweaks, etc." give it a sub title (cause I'm thinking what tweaks?). There is buzz startin about silver fuses and silver paste contact cleaner. Somehow we should make Tweaks less esoteric in meaning, more interesting, now and real world. Always ask, does anyone really want to check this out?
Separate amps from pre amps, tubes from solid state. Where can I listen to samples of new and, perhaps, not easily obtained recordings? Young people are always lookin for tunes. What can we do differently? What would make a new person sign in? Think about what is go to and catchy
And, of course, the colors and graphics need updating. This is a biggy. Everybody in marketing knows that the package is everything. Hamburgers, everything. Look no further that Shandling for an audio example. A rudimentary CD player but with a center piece design. They got out of the gate strong based on looks alone. I built my own wedsite for nothing. If I can do it, etc. If we are talking advertising dollars, you've got to have potential for a larger market. They will take appreciation of our efforts.
You main guys, you know who you are, add color to your commentary. I don't mean humor or sarcasm, tho I love it, the intelligence and wit of smart men and women gases me, use it, but in your description of whatever it is that you're talking about. Review stuff. Somebody step up here. Write articles but don't put readers to sleep. I'm doing one on the heyday of West Coast jazz (I don't promise that it won't put you to sleep) that I'll stick on this bad boy. Management should solicit this sort of thing. HiFi News in the UK, I think it's them, are having a contest to bring on new contributors. A column like this should get a headline. Come on ladies, pick a subject. There is a cat in the galleries that's from Korea (my best guess). Ask him to tell everyone about his audio experience in his native tongue. Let's go after the Far East. Can we translate to incoming? If so, tell em.
Most of you are capable of adding pictures. Do more of that. It's attractive. I don't mean in the galleries, but that's cool, rather with your comments every time it's appropriate. Scan cartoons out of the New Yorker and elsewhere when it's relevant. Start a thread. Visits to the audio store with quotes from the resident experts. Call up designers. What's happening in New York or Seattle? Wanna be the magazine? Start thinking that way.
Jaymo, sorry, mate, I know I'm spelling your name wrong, has the most dynamite portrait of a woman on his signature, if that's the right nomenclature. Appearance is everything! Just ask the fashion or cosmetics industries. Worry about substance later. You got that already and it will be appreciated. I know that this statement may be offensive to your intelligence, and if you look like me day to day it's a bitter pill, but it's true.
My favorite example of rebirth is Arm&Hammer baking soda. Once upon a time, ladies baked at home. When they stopped, whadda think their execs were thinking about about? They came up (with the help of some marketing experts, I expect) with the job it does on odor in the fridge. How many households own fridges? And that's sorta kinda of what we're talking about. In their case, they struck with the original packaging. You can't do that.
You have to be unique to do that. We have to get new. They had been a household name. Wanna be a househouse (listening room) name? Start thinking that way. But we're gonna have to turn this place upside down first. Yo, it's dooable.
Think cosmetics, points of interest, and in your substance, think that you want he or she to come back.
Now, I'm on my third glass of red, my limit. I've spent more time editing this damn thing than I did writing it. Cheers.
Those are great ideas. When I take over this website I'll appoint you as the director of web operations.
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Being a newbie here, I thought I would give you all a perspective from one who doesnt know the site or the people here very well at all. Firstly, I found most of the responses helpful and useful. More responses from a greater number of people would have been better, but one can only expect so much. Secondly, for whats its worth, I posted the same threads here on 2 other sites, and got more from folks here, than at the other two.
I didnt read every post here, but read several, and feel like you are all being too hard on your selves. High end audio, or even audio in general, is not something the common person is going to get online and want to discuss. The majority of people, when posed with audio needs or questions just rush down to Bestbuy and get something the salesperson recommends. Research and discussion in audio is mostly for audiophiles and people with too much time on their hands looking for a social outlet. And like already pointed out, many discussions inevitably degrade to similar resolutions. I dont see how this can be avoided. But I would agree that the strength here, as for any online site, is its people and their friendliness, keep that up, and you all stand a chance.
Take care all,
Jim
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I could use a spell checker myself.
So could a few others. Many of the newer sites have this simple addition.
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> I could use a spell checker myself.
Actually, if you use Firefox as your web browser, the spell checker is built-in. That way it is available to you independent of the web site.
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Originally Posted by jim goulding
Most of you are capable of adding pictures. Do more of that. It's attractive. I don't mean in the galleries, but that's cool, rather with your comments every time it's appropriate. Scan cartoons out of the New Yorker and elsewhere when it's relevant. What . . you don't subscibe to the New Yorker? Start a thread. Visits to the audio store with quotes from the resident experts. Call up designers. What's happening in New York or Seattle? Wanna be the magazine? Start thinking that way. Contribute.
Jaymo, sorry, mate, I know I'm spelling your name wrong, has the most dynamite portrait of a woman on his signature, if that's the right nomenclature. Appearance is everything! Just ask the fashion or cosmetics industries. Worry about substance later. You got that already and it will be appreciated. I know that this statement may be offensive to your intelligence, and if you look like me day to day it's a bitter pill, but it's true.
You have to be unique to do that. We have to get new. They had been a house hold name. Wanna be a house hold (listening room) name? Start thinking that way. But we're gonna have to turn this place upside down first. Yo, it's dooable.
Think cosmetics, points of interest, and in your substance, think that you want he or she to come back.
Well, I'm playing the "catch-up" game today and that in itself may be telling. A lot of folks don't have a lot of time.Anyway, the above is but one quote out of several with which I agree.
It must be said that I don't completely consider the situation "dire" so I don't agree with the very premise of this thread, but jim's on to something for those that would increase the traffic around here. 'Course for every action there's an equal and oppposite reaction, so be careful what you wish for. The biggest trend in music is P2P and DLing, so any significant increase in new contribution would necessarily bring about deadend conversations about the new Plies or Breaking Benjamin or Akon or Children of Bodom or whatever. It occurs to me that many of you will not be open to such things.
But, yeah, there are some things that we could do around here to market the place to be more inviting and for that we probably need to look at the things that we have done that are successful. "What's Spinning" picks up 50 to 100 views a day might be extremely newbie friendly if we ever responded to them. GSwishy's "Top 50" thread was great until it started running the gamut between ridiculous and obvious. The "YouTube" posts were always good for some visits.
We have lost some characters (the most recent to come to mind are Dusty and RL;where be you jim and Peter?) many of whom were the most frequent to contest or battle something with which they disagreed. Some have held that this is due to the mods but really this may be due to us. I mean, when was the last time something got transfered over to the Steel Cage? Does the Steel Cage even exist anymore? When was the last time a thread even bordered on being so uncivil as to lock it? I'm not really one for meaningless internet battles but I already pick on jayrhymedaddy enough...I could step it up if y'all think some conflict will help (and realistically, to an extent, it probably would if current television programming is an indicator)
At the end of the day, like others, I come here for the people. I can't imagine anyone being able to say that they've benifited more from this place than I have as far as gear and music selection goes. Still I come here for the personalities.
Peace
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Research and discussion in audio is mostly for audiophiles and people with too much time on their hands looking for a social outlet.
Jim
Is there a difference between these two types of people? lol.
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We Gotta Get This Guy...
Here is a person who would be great to have some discussion with around here....
http://gallery.audioreview.com/showp...o=1463&cat=503
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Here's an idea for discussion . .
Here’s an idea for discussion regards PSky’s recent post about Mutiny and the state of AR.
I’m thinking a new format would help. I’m thinking a newspaper format. A front page with a headline (this would change frequently). Some pictures varying in size. Articles could include industry news and articles by members (this should be encouraged) and industry guests. Readers could be directed to another part of the paper depending on the article. Include a letters section. A box for contents at the bottom left like most papers. That’s how readers would enter. Regards any articles on this page, they could continue if need be by clicking on "con't".
Contents should include something like:
“Enlightened repartee by members of all things audio and video”. This would be the forum which I think is the reason most people are likely to join and stick around. New readers should be directed to a Join Now page to appear at the end of this section to include rules. At the top of every page there should be a banner, no, a bar, of where to go for this and that. Consolidate.
"Audio and Film reviews and commentary by members". The section should have separate sections for each. Encourage repeat entries by staying topical with what’s happening.in the here and now. During Oscar time, for example, encourage readers to nominate.
A "Supporting Industry Advertisers" section and MRSP when available to include dealers in addition to manufacturers to include a page of how to advertise in AR.
"Q and A". This would be for people opening with a question. Sections should be split out like CD players / DVD players / Amplifiers / Pre amplifiers / Hi Def Flat Screens / and so forth.
"Classifieds". Give Audiogon some competition. This is how they get paid.
"Letters and suggestions".
Each section should have its own sub-sections similar to what AR has now.
I don’t much care about systems myself but many do and so there should be a place for that. On the other hand, this could be done by just beefing up a profile section with more detailed information and photos when members want to submit.
The paper should be three color, of course, like USA Today.
Here’s a bad idea . . drop down advertisements. They’re annoying and bolster the impression that AR is about sales rather than news and information and discussion. The home page as it is begs for a change. The newspaper format would give AR a totally different look and the conditioned response is to turn to the section you want, as you do the paper, or browse em all.
Advertisers would see that AR is taking a big step to expand its market and esteem and that should translate to more advertising dollars.
(later) Failed to say anything about the review section. That's a keeper. And the layout is good. Just that the opening page needs some artwork or something.
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:yikes: Are they speakers or china cabinets?
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Hey Rich
"Free Money" oughta get you dancin in your seat on the way home, too. It's got that
tour-de-force thing going as well what with that slow intro, gradual build, and balls to the wall finish.
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Jim, it's the third song on my Patti Smith Essentials comp, right after Gloria and Redondo Beach.
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Don't despair, there are lots of things to discuss.
When I first joined the site was a little more instructive. Lots of excellent advice being doled out by Wooch, Kex, etc.
Two areas interest me now,
1) a discussion of equipment symetry and
matching components and .....
2) frank discussions of the value( or lack thereof) of Pacific Rim high end. Its not going away, and we are all bargain hunters so just how close can we get to the flame?
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It seems like there are quite a lot of people who had a hard time changing over when this Forum changed it's format a few years ago, I am curious from those that were here back then why this shift was hard to make and would that happen again if we made changes again? Would we lose people in the shift and would it be worth it in order to attract more people in the long run?
I know that some people have a hard time adjusting to change, but if it is for the better than it shouldn't be as much of an issue. One comment that quite a few people seem to say is that the site is so slow and hard to really do anything like post pictures and such because it takes so long. I can agree with that.
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I was thinking of leaving during the change because the forums were totally different then and I was used to them. I wasn't very good on the computer, and still not. Once I got used to doing it this way, I couldn't go back. Now I've been here a long time and unless the site was so screwed up I couldn't use it or it took too much time, they are stuck with me.
As much as I like talking to everyone, I really don't like the PM, the way it's set up. It seems to me like I have to go through a lot just to get to what was written.
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I don't find the site slow on my comp'. It does take longer to load than other forums, Once loaded it's fast.
I was around on the old format, I didn't mind it but knew it had to be updated to handle increased traffic. Basically alot of knowledgeable members left and haven't returned. Sure there was flame wars, but half the time I didn't get the arguments anyway.
And my post count should be at least double what it is now.
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Does anyone else think that topical chatrooms would be helpful here? The reason I ask is because we were talking about ways to get new people connected and perhaps if they are able to ask quick questions in an open chat we can provide quicker responses. Most of the time newbie questions are about certain setup and/or 'what should I buy" and most of the time does not require a thread to get that accomplished, usually just one or two of us responding gets the job done. Also, a chat room about music would also be cool, especially if we were able to upload files so that people could listen, even if it was only samples.
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Does anyone else think that topical chatrooms would be helpful here? The reason I ask is because we were talking about ways to get new people connected and perhaps if they are able to ask quick questions in an open chat we can provide quicker responses. Most of the time newbie questions are about certain setup and/or 'what should I buy" and most of the time does not require a thread to get that accomplished, usually just one or two of us responding gets the job done. Also, a chat room about music would also be cool, especially if we were able to upload files so that people could listen, even if it was only samples.
Sure, but who we gonna tell?
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Sure, but who we gonna tell?
Well, who are the powers that be? We need to find out more about the nuts and bolts of this site. The function of a mutiny doesn't work unless all of us are working together to make changes.
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Well, who are the powers that be? We need to find out more about the nuts and bolts of this site. The function of a mutiny doesn't work unless all of us are working together to make changes.
Dude, did you know that you were in the PR department?
http://forums.audioreview.com/showgroups.php
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That's news to me. Weird. Ok, so now we see a list of the people, but how many of them are still active and active with the site? Do these people get paid?
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Not that chats would be bad, but it's a good idea to post a thread because not everyone is here at the same time and a thread will allow more of a variety of input oppose to some one being stuck in the chat..... well, let's say with Pix, and they wanted to know what the best DLP is. Or, to be fair, with me, and they wanted to know if Klipsch was any good. Of course, on the other hand, a one sided biased opinion would alleviate confusion from the poster getting opposing opinions :)
Chats could get people to hang around more though. I've seen some chats that moved so fast and so many posts, it was nearly impossible to keep up with conversation with some one. It may be something at some point to try and if it works great, and, if not, shut it down.
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Hey I'm also in the PR department. How did that happen? I don't remember signing up for this. What is the PR department, anyhow? Do I need to do something? Will I get paid?
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Not that chats would be bad, but it's a good idea to post a thread because not everyone is here at the same time and a thread will allow more of a variety of input oppose to some one being stuck in the chat..... well, let's say with Pix, and they wanted to know what the best DLP is. Or, to be fair, with me, and they wanted to know if Klipsch was any good. Of course, on the other hand, a one sided biased opinion would alleviate confusion from the poster getting opposing opinions :)
Chats could get people to hang around more though. I've seen some chats that moved so fast and so many posts, it was nearly impossible to keep up with conversation with some one. It may be something at some point to try and if it works great, and, if not, shut it down.
Ok, how about still keep the threads, but you have the ability to IM whoever is currently online.
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That only works if everybody has IM. I don't, and don't really see the need to set up an account.
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well, let's say with Pix, and they wanted to know what the best DLP is.
Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Now that's a chat I'd want to evesdrop on!
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Dude, did you know that you were in the PR department?
He didn't show up on the list when I looked at it. Sometimes this place gives me the creeps.
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He didn't show up on the list when I looked at it. Sometimes this place gives me the creeps.
PS is his second name on this site. I remember him from his older ID.
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