If it ain't broke don't fix it...

Yeasayer

- has heard audible cable differences
- does not allow for the possibility that they are imagined
- claims science has not yet caught up
- feels that ears are better instruments that electronic ones
- dislikes and distrusts DBT testing
- states non-believers have either deficient hearing or deficient equipment
- in general, has a strong desire for the ultimate sound system


Naysayer/Maysayer

- has not heard audible cable differences or has heard differences that can be explained
- has a science or engineering background
- still allows for the possibility of cable differences
- asserts that DBT testing is only real bias-free control test for differences
- believes room acoustics, speakers and speaker placement are the main factors in audio sound
- enjoys good music and good sound


I believe I have represented both sides accurately here. So print this out, take it to a reasonable person who has no interest in audio reproduction whatsoever and ask him/her what they think of these two camps.

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Originally Posted by rb122

E-Stat,

My fear is that this kind of interaction will cease with the segregationist policies of our new moderator. You see, you're sort of a model for the subjectivist camp. You're one of the very few that doesn't tremble and falter when presented with the scientific arguments. You don't wallow in the same old "I know what I heard" quicksand. You don't attack with the tired "you can't hear" drivel. You present intelligent, coherent arguments from the observationalist side. It makes for a much more enjoyable visit to A/R that a discussion of batteries on an interconnect or the latest solid state power amp.

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If anything, I will be more present after accepting a position as moderator. I too, hope that the other camp will not pack up and leave completely.

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Originally Posted by rb122

And in case you're wondering, I'm a subjectivist at heart. Give me vinyl and a turntable, tubes and a CD player only if absolutely necessary and I'm happy with what I observe. I'm just not totally sold on the validity of those observations from an absolute standpoint and that's where the objectivists arguments are hard to ignore.

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Thanks for sharing. You may be surprised that while I may argue that RBCD is not perfect, I still listen to CDs more frequently than my vinyl. Likewise while I find my tube amps capable of beautifully coveying the emotion of music as found primarily in the midrange, they are certainly not the equal of better SS designs at the frequency extremes. Life is full of choices and compromises.

Happy listening to you as well.

rw

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Originally Posted by Monstrous Mike

Yeasayer

- has heard audible cable differences
- does not allow for the possibility that they are imagined
- claims science has not yet caught up with human perception
- feels that ears are better instruments that electronic ones
- dislikes and distrusts DBT testing
- states non-believers have either deficient hearing or deficient equipment
- in general, has a strong desire for the ultimate sound system


Naysayer/Maysayer

- has not heard audible cable differences or has heard differences that can be explained
- has a science or engineering background
- still allows for the possibility of cable differences
- asserts that DBT testing is only real bias-free control test for differences
- believes room acoustics, speakers and speaker placement are the main factors in audio sound
- enjoys good music and good sound


I believe I have represented both sides accurately here. So print this out, take it to a reasonable person who has no interest in audio reproduction whatsoever and ask him/her what they think of these two camps.

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I have a few suggested edits.

Yeasayer

- has heard audible cable differences in some systems
- believes extensive listening experience nullifies possibility for imagined outcomes
- feels that the human mind is more discerning than instruments for detecting musical differences
- distrusts the lack of scope with current DBT testing
- believes all aspects of a system contribute to the final result
- enjoys music and desires better sound systems


Naysayer/Maysayer

- has not heard audible cable differences or has heard differences that can be explained
- has a science or engineering background
- still allows for the possibility of cable differences
- asserts that DBT testing is only real bias-free control test for differences
- believes room acoustics, speakers and speaker placement are the main factors in audio sound
- enjoys good music and good sound

rw