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  • 08-16-2010, 01:54 PM

    Originally Posted by TypeA
    Can everyone take a look at this latest comparison and give me some feedback (post above). the s8 is looking better and better in terms of freqs and price and form factor. Last post was updated with the numbers for the subs in the running. Thanks again for all the help guys, its been great.

    One last entry, if you care more about HT than music(although they play music well also)
    is the line of Deftech (DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY).
    They make some highly engineered sat-sub systems that work great in a smaller room, also some full size towers that rock pretty good, some with built in subs.:1:
  • 08-16-2010, 02:35 PM

    Originally Posted by TypeA
    If this system will be 90% movies, 10% music can I really get away with an 8"? Music performance is very important to me, but ultimately not at the cost of movies.

    Mirage 8" $200 each
    Energy 10" $300 each 32Hz-140Hz 400 Watts dynamic, 150 Watts continuous
    HSU 8" $300 each Bass extension 32 Hz 150 Watts

    That being the case, my vote would be:
    1) Energy 10" It'll still be good for music, but would give you a little more umph for HT.
    2) HSU 8- Good musical sub, known mainly for subs although their satellites have gained some praise recently.Plus their service is good too, some folks have actually talked to the big boss, Dr. Hsu.(made in Califronia).
    3) Mirage 8, don't know much about this sub, but just my opinion, seems like Mirage has slipped a bit, stuff is okay, average I'd say. Why would you want 4 subs anyway?

    I think the Energy is a front firing sub, the HSU is down firing, don't think it matters so much sonically, just a matter of preference I believe. Myself I prefer down firing, just easier (for me anyway) to set up,I can have facing any direction without any change in sound, less chance of a stray foot or cat modifying it.
  • 08-16-2010, 04:15 PM
    I use an old 8" Velodyne sub with 180watts rms in a 17x17x10' room with plenty of room shaking, chest pounding tight bass. Most HT guys get carried away with the size of a sub. Give me a good 8" sub any day over a cheaper 10".

    How big is your room Type A?

    Given your budget, I would strongly consider the Emotiva 10". I like the fact that its a sealed sub with no ports. Bass should be nice and tight and probably more musical. Cheaper subs with ports tend to have sloppier bass.
  • 08-16-2010, 04:22 PM

    Originally Posted by luvtolisten
    Why would you want 4 subs anyway?.

    Thanks for the recommendations. Wanted multiple just for what Ive been reading at these sources:


    Originally Posted by audioholics
    We are always preaching the more subs the better in a home theater system (particularly two to four) for a variety of reasons such as; smoother bass response across a wider listening area and increased dynamic range.

    This is accomplished via proper placement and set-up of multiple subwoofers resulting in standing wave reduction through destructive interference.



    Originally Posted by wiki
    Multiple subwoofers can manage a flatter general response since they can often be arranged to excite room modes more evenly than a single subwoofer, allowing equalisation to be more effective.



    Originally Posted by about.com
    Typically I use two subwoofers in my listening room positioned in opposite corners of the room, which is a significant improvement over one. I recently reviewed a subwoofer system with four separate subwoofers powered by the same amp and experienced even better bass reproduction almost everywhere in the room. While four subs may seem like overkill, even two subwoofers provide much better bass than a single sub.

  • 08-16-2010, 04:23 PM

    Originally Posted by blackraven

    How give is your room Type A?

    Thanks for the recommendation. I dont understand this question, sorry, very rookie.
  • 08-16-2010, 04:25 PM
    OOPs, type error.

    How big is your room, what are the dimensions?
  • 08-16-2010, 04:38 PM
    Im moving middle of next year, so its likely this will be the smallest room this system sees (its the smallest living room Ive ever had). I also probably wont upgrade the audio in my theater for a decade. Existing room is 10' wide by 20' long but Im building this system based on a medium room.
  • 08-16-2010, 05:07 PM
    Thanks for the links Type A, I've been enlightened. I thought 2 subs was a no no, but apparently not, as long as they are both the same.
  • 08-16-2010, 08:20 PM
    JoeE SP9
    When I decided to build my TL subs I listened to the Pass Labs DIY people. I built two subs as they recommended.

    They were right!!!!! Two subs are much better. They are more than the sum of their parts. I use 4 subs for movies. The sub that came with my Spectra's is actually 2 subs in a common box. It's connected to my rear speakers.
  • 08-17-2010, 08:16 AM
    Speaker trigger pull begins on thursday...any final thoughts on my prices or selections?

    All prices include shipping and tax.

    Everything new and from factory authorized.

    P362--------------------$204.99 each (2) (order sunday)
    PC350------------------$199.99 each (1) (order thursday)
    P162----------------------$99.99 each (2) (order thrusday)

    ESW-C10---------------$230.00 each (2) (order sunday)
    Total 5.2 speakers------$1269.95

    DMP-BD55-----------------$299.99 (received)

    SR7002---------------------$599.99 (received)
    RC3001---------------------$ 0 (received)
    Total hardware----------$899.98

    Grand Total August 2010 upgrade-------$2169.93
  • 08-17-2010, 08:22 AM
    The price for the speakers look very reasonable. I can think of other brands, but nothing as good with those prices. Enjoy!
  • 08-17-2010, 08:55 AM
    Since I will be starting out with a minimum of two subs would twin 8" be better for me than twin 10"? Will an 8" blend (sound? work?) better with my Infinity primus selection (P362, PC350, P162)?

    A few quick reminders:
    Im building this system for a medium-sized room not the 10x20 Im in now.

    Though it will be used primarily for home theater I do not want theater performance to compromise musical performance, if possible.

    Form factor is a biggie, so much so that it ruled out many fine subs in my price bracket. Part of this expectation is because this system will never see less than two subs operational.

    Music tastes include rock. Guess I better include the gf, country and hip-hop.
  • 08-17-2010, 03:41 PM
    I can get a Velodyne VDR10 for the same price as a Energy ESW- c10...which is better?
  • 08-17-2010, 04:18 PM
    If you are going to buy 2 subs for close to $600, I would consider buying a good sub for $600 or a used very good sub for that price.

  • 08-17-2010, 04:23 PM
    Id pay 460 (shipped) for the pair, velodyn or energy
  • 08-17-2010, 06:21 PM

    Originally Posted by blackraven
    If you are going to buy 2 subs for close to $600, I would consider buying a good sub for $600 or a used very good sub for that price.


    Disregard. I learned my lesson, Ill go with a single HSU VTF-2 MK 3...sorry for being such a bone-head on this matter.