• 08-11-2010, 08:02 AM
    Geoffcin
    The topic is "First impressions at California audio Show'

    One more off topic post and ALL of your off topic posts will be deleted.
  • 08-11-2010, 08:06 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brian K
    I hate to contribute to the pirating of a thread but ....

    I'll briefly say that if you compare CD sound quality vs vinyl sound it's a pretty easy choice in favor of the vinyl. Fortunately, we're not stuck in the 80's and there are alot of alternative digital recording mediums being used now. Some of the super high res (172khz PCM, 24bit 192khz) digital stuff sounds absolutely fantastic and you don't have to have a reel to reel tape machine with master tapes. The problem is that finding your favorite music in a high res format you can playback. There's just clearcut choice like there was when 'redbook' CD came out. Fortunately, I use my computer as my main source at home and can playback virutally anything. The super high res recordings I've been able to get my hands one really do stand apart from their redbook counterparts and I believe beat out vinyl recordings in sound quality.

    Unfortunately, new formats in audio really have a hard time finding consensus and not many producers and product developers want to waste money on a 'fad'. Hopefully in another 5-10years redbook will be history and will be replaced by a single super high res digital format. When that happens it is going to be alot harder to see a clear winner in the vinyl vs digital argument. Until then, I'm stuck listening to a few choice cuts over and over :(

    I don't think the new formats really have a hard time finding a consensus as much as most engineers(and record companies) are very slow to adopt new tools. DVD-A and SACD were really just protection measure to the format, and really were not taken all that seriously by the record companies. Because of that lack of seriousness, they didn't promote either format, and largely the audio engineers that adopted them got burned by the cost of the equipment upgrade without the ROI.

    There is a breed of emerging audio engineers coming from Europe that are setting the bar for high resolution recording in both stereo and multichannel. 2L and Surround Records are releasing most of the high resolution stuff now, and they are adopting DXD as the capture format, and delivering their work losslessly via SACD and 24/192khz PCM, Dts-HD Master Audio or Dolby Digital TruHD on the Blu ray disc format. I have about 40 recordings of high resolution music on Blu ray disc, and quite frankly I have never heard anything close to the quality i am hearing from it on any format.

    Audiophiles also need to adopt more sources of music on other formats. Downloading is just beginning to take off, but the Blu ray disc isn't even being considered. That is a shame since a download cannot replaced when you have computer issues, but a disc is always there.

    You do have one important point - that is there is not a lot of offerings out there if you are not into classical music. We do have to start somewhere though, and for classical music lovers there is more to life than just vinyl or CD. Audiophiles should embrace the opportunity to hear classical music at a resolution that in the past was unheard of.
  • 08-11-2010, 08:10 AM
    Geoffcin
    Please start another thread if you want to pursue this dialog.
  • 08-11-2010, 01:36 PM
    Jack in Wilmington
    Back at the California Audio Show. Sounds like an excellent show BTW. For the antendees, was there talk of a second annual show? My friends were just at the Star Trek Convention in Las Vegas and you could make your reservations for next years convention at this years show. What's the next big show Rocky Mountain Audiofest? Like to start planning some vacations around a show or two.
  • 08-12-2010, 07:19 AM
    Brian K
    I didn't overhear any discussion of a show next year but judging by the turnout I'd be surprised if they didn't do it again. Even on Friday while most people should be at work it was hard to find a seat in alot of the rooms. I believe RMAF is about 8 weeks from now. If I wasn't so broke from buying audio equipment I would probably be going!

    Since this is AudioREVIEW.com.... maybe a few people who attended the show could put a vote in for their favorite systems from the show?

    I'll kick it off with my top 5 (in no particular order) -

    - Salk Signature Sound
    - JBL Everests
    - Evolution Acoustics
    - Magico V3
    - Audio Note

    There were definitely other systems that impressed me, but these were the rooms where my butt spent the most time.
  • 08-12-2010, 08:24 AM
    tube fan
    My favorites in order:

    Evolution Acoustics (only when playing tapes)
    Teresonic (playing vinyl)
    Audio Note (here they only had CDs, but the sound was great; I think it would have been my favorite if they were using tapes or vinyl)
    Magico V3 (playing vinyl)
    Lotus (vinyl)
  • 08-12-2010, 07:41 PM
    blackraven
    Was there any Outlaw gear at the show?
  • 08-12-2010, 07:53 PM
    Mr Peabody
    Is Outlaw even still in business? The roar from that area has been really quiet for a long time.
  • 08-12-2010, 10:15 PM
    blackraven
    Outlaw is now selling a Marantz AVR instead of the Onkyo!
  • 08-13-2010, 12:29 PM
    frenchmon
    Does not surprise me that they are selling Marantz. The Onkyo MRP and I listened to was just down right awful.
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