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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
Good job LDB. Finally getting your feet wet I see. :)
Hey Rich, my tongue was starting to bleed from biting it for so long. :16:
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Go ahead Emaidel keep it coming, we'll still get the message through the interference.
Basite did you ever switch cable brands?
Marantz is trying hard to be everything to everyone, it will take some doing for them to gain respect again as a "true" high end company. If something is going to cost $24k, it had better sound like $24k. In that ultra high end arena there are some pretty tough contenders. Since Marantz and Mac are under the same umbrella I also have to wonder if any sharing is going on there. Neither line is very well represented in my area, especially in the separates and more expensive gear, so I can't say how well Marantz is doing with a come back to the higher end. One of our high end shops carries the Marantz HT receivers as a entry level, I'd think if any of their other gear would compete they would bring it in. Arcam has been a staple there. They tried Cambridge for a while but dropped it in favor of NAD. We'll see what happens there.
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Originally Posted by emaidel
I can't answer the second part of your question, but as to "Who in the blue hell is Melvin?" I suspect many of us here might wish to ask the same question. He seemed to come out of the blue and does little other than post nostalgic posts about how wonderful the industry was up until the end of the 1960's. Then, all went to hell in a handbasket, and the Japanese (who make only "junk" according to him) put all the American companies out of business and ruined an otherwise fine industry. Absolutely nothing of any worth seems to have been made since then, at least according to Melvin.
He also constantly makes comparisons between German and Japanese or American cars, placing the German cars on platforms as if they never had any peers, and thoroughly trashes Lexus and Corvette automobiles.
Just look back on this thread and elsewhere on AR. You'll find lots of stuff from this guy.
Do you know anything about cars ? How many Japanese car has won a Formula one World Championship , are a World Sports Car Manufactures Championship ?
There was one American car company that did win the sports car championship.
I don't expect most of you so called audio hobbyist to know.
Dont think many of you can read very well judging by this post.
As for as audio it appears most of you is as ignorant of audio as you are cars.
That is why I am here to , educate ? not all but most !
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
Basite did you ever switch cable brands?
yes, I'm using the Sonic link now, but I'm waiting for the Siltech to arrive (0.75m...), I have the sonic link on loan now, until the siltech arrives...
I do hope the siltech arrives soon though, and when it does, the cable thread will be there...
Keep them spinning,
Bert.
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
Do you know anything about cars ? How many Japanese car has won a Formula one World Championship , are a World Sports Car Manufactures Championship ?
There was one American car company that did win the sports car championship.
I don't expect most of you so called audio hobbyist to know.
Dont think many of you can read very well judging by this post.
As for as audio it appears most of you is as ignorant of audio as you are cars.
That is why I am here to , educate ? not all but most !
I don't see any reason to attack the good members of this forum with this kind of loose language. Please don't insult us. You don't really know any of us.
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Melvin, please don't use Consumer Report as an example. If you believe them all CD players are the same. I'm here to say by experience, they are not and that has been an up hill battle on this board for the most part. Also audio rags make for good reading and the test reports may, or may not be accurate, but most of the reviews have to be biased as to not offend a paying advertising customer. Stereo Review, now Sound & Vision, I have yet to read a bad review of anything. I dropped my subscription long ago, so let me know if things have changed. Stereophile, these guys are only men, with an opinion. they have given gear a "class A" rating that I totally disagreed with. These things can be a guide or source if used with a grain of salt but the bottom line is a person has to check for themselves, with their own ears.
I agree with your point on history. Actually, that is exactly what this post originally was about, Emaidel letting us in on some history that isn't so well known or publicized.
I think it rubs people the wrong way with your continual comparisons of the 50's to today. Marantz was good then, and yes the old gear sells for more than it's original retail but you have to realize that compared to today's high end gear, Krell, ARC, Boulder, etc. it would have a difficult time holding its own. I realize that this statement is subjective, BUT, you have to realize that too.
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Originally Posted by pixelthis
TAPE ISNT USED anymore except where absolutely nessesary.
Its a digital world, and a lot of content is on hard drive, optical disc, etc.
Just because a product started out on "tape" doesnt mean it stays there.
I doubt if you ever watch anything on television that comes from a "tape"
As a matter of fact most TV shows were FILMED .
This is why they can offer a HD version of the original Star Ttek, the original episodes were filmed, and film is essentially HD in quality.
And the primary reason german cars cost so much is marketing and labor costs.
In germany a BMW is akin to a pontiac , they charge so much for one because they know they can.
Toyota doesnt "cut corners", I have a friend who put 450,000 miles on a toyota pickup truck without opening the motor once, this truck didnt cost ten grand.
It doesnt matter what a product costs, that is totally irrelevant.
What matters is what people are willing to pay, if it costs more to make than people will pay, you're out of business.
Desani and AQUAFINA were TAP water, probably not as good as tap water, coca-cola has finally admitted, and it is STILL selling for a bucck fifty and up a bottle:1:
Pontiac is a division of General Motors , what is BMW a division of. To compare Pontiac to BMW bothers me ,
BMW competes with Mercedes in Germany , who does Pontiac compete with in America ?
Toyota cannot build a car with the performance of a high end BMW , no one would pay the extra money for it. It's a Toyota ! A truck is not a high performance car.
Comparing a Toyota truck to a BMW car is the same as comparing a F-15 to a
passenger plan.
It gets harder and harder , our schools have failed !
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Originally Posted by GMichael
I don't see any reason to attack the good members of this forum with this kind of loose language. Please don't insult us. You don't really know any of us.
I only read the post !
What is your definition of loose language ?
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
Why do they teach history in schools. Reading your post I now understand why most Europeans are more aware of American history than Americans.
Small wonder that in a New York Times article , most young Americans thought that Japan was one of our allies in World War Two !
I happen to like history, but it's good as being history. You can't use the history to argument the current times. now is the time, use history to learn about the past, don't use it to say how things should or shouldn't be now.
and the reason most europeans are more aware of the american history (or any other history) than the Americans themselves is because our school system is better. I get the feeling that the american system more concentrates on making people work together, and experience the social pressure, but not the actual prestations. Here in Belgium, we also learn to work and live in groups, educational standards are very high, thus we learn alot. Our system is more focused on knowledge. Social life something we have to experience ourselves, the school only 'helps' on that part because at school we are together with other teenagers.
I don't watch any of the channels you listed, simply because we don't have them here (well, maybe discovery channel, with digital TV, not on the regular cable...)
I do watch the BBC, our very own Canvas (a culture channel), and I read the internet, the holy grail of all information channels :)
As I said I take alot of interest in 'older' things, political systems, economy,... but also in the current version of the afromentioned.
Keep them spinning,
Bert.
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My brain is going haywire!!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :out: :out: :out: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
Toyota cannot build a car with the performance of a high end BMW , no one would pay the extra money for it. It's a Toyota ! A truck is not a high performance car.
That's why Toyota created that other brand Lexus.
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
Melvin, please don't use Consumer Report as an example. If you believe them all CD players are the same. I'm here to say by experience, they are not and that has been an up hill battle on this board for the most part. Also audio rags make for good reading and the test reports may, or may not be accurate, but most of the reviews have to be biased as to not offend a paying advertising customer. Stereo Review, now Sound & Vision, I have yet to read a bad review of anything. I dropped my subscription long ago, so let me know if things have changed. Stereophile, these guys are only men, with an opinion. they have given gear a "class A" rating that I totally disagreed with. These things can be a guide or source if used with a grain of salt but the bottom line is a person has to check for themselves, with their own ears.
I agree with your point on history. Actually, that is exactly what this post originally was about, Emaidel letting us in on some history that isn't so well known or publicized.
As for as Consumers Reports is concerned , what publication or source offers better informed test than Consumers Reports ? It has no advertising.
There were many test reports of a singe audio component , the consumer compared the reports , this helped the consumer in making an informed decision. There was test reports made by over a dozen magazines , some European.
I agree it is better to check with one's ears. But very seldom can one check most of the audio gear that is sold. Where would you go ? How long will it last ? Magazines while not perfect is a great help.
I remember seeing your website several years ago , but it has changed. There are some members yourself included who try very hard to inform others of the history of audio.
There are others ,it appears many who couldn't care less.
Keep trying , Rome wasn't built in one day.
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
Do you know anything about cars ? How many Japanese car has won a Formula one World Championship , are a World Sports Car Manufactures Championship ?
There was one American car company that did win the sports car championship.
I don't expect most of you so called audio hobbyist to know.
Dont think many of you can read very well judging by this post.
As for as audio it appears most of you is as ignorant of audio as you are cars.
That is why I am here to , educate ? not all but most !
It took a couple of seconds to look up, and it appears since 2002, Toyota has not won an event, but has placed 2nd. That means that it beat German, Italian, and American autos.
Here:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/01/27/3232683.htm
I'm no car enthusiest, but your 1 drumbeat has grown tiresome.
Honda makes some fine engines, and I've no doubt Toyota has some killer engineers as well. Your average, off the showroom floor BMW has NO better chance of winning a Formula 1 race either. So your doubious ablitily to equate F1 performance with day to day operations of an auto are funny at best. Delusional at best.
I'd like to see your F1 Ferarri, McLaren, rub a little paint on the Nascar Circuit. Now that would be funny!
BTW in 1990 this article stated that Honda has been so successful with its engines in F1 that "most of the excitement has been taken out of the races". That's in 1990!!!!
Heres the article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...rssnyt&emc=rss
I know it may take some time for you to digest it, but Japanese automakers are doing plenty in F1.
Also you bloviating windbag, it appears that HONDA won a F1 race in 1967. Thats 1967! Heres the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Italian_Grand_Prix
Then in 1968 Honda (Japanese) WON EVERY RACE in Formula 1!!!! Every RACE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Racing_F1
I'm gonna let loose with some loose language. You, Mr. Walker, are a fool. Do some research before you come spouting "facts" without even knowing them yourself. It appears you know even less about autos than you do A/V. And I thought that would be impossible!!
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Originally Posted by basite
That's why Toyota created that other brand Lexus.
Honda , Accura , and Nissan , Infiniti. Excellent cars but pretty much all the same.
Little are no character. Performance good.
Compared to Jaguar , Mercedes , BMW , Audi , not including Lamborghini , Ferrari , Maserati , Bentley , Aston Martin , and Rolls Royce .
The Japanses cars are built mostly for the masses. Much like Pioneer , Sony , Teac , Onkyo , Technic , Sayo etc.
Are American cars any different ?
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Originally Posted by Rich-n-Texas
My brain is going haywire!!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :out: :out: :out: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
It does seem like a big waste of time doesn't it? No matter how logical we are, how many facts we present, or quotes given our, he just ignores anything that doesn't agree with his ideas. Just like any other politician.
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
Are American cars any different ?
I'd say american cars are often worse.
of course, some good models came out, but the 'good ones' were mostly based on old cars, like the mustang. most american cars, comparable in price to the japanese ones are crap.
while looking like sh!t, they also don't handle well and are as envorniment friendly as friggin china.
Japanese cars, on the other hand, are innovative, look about the same, just smaller (ideal for in big towns), and actually care about the envorniment.
Keep them spinning,
Bert.
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
Go ahead Emaidel keep it coming, we'll still get the message through the interference.
Agreed... Emaidel, don't lose heart we're still listening even as we engage in totally unrelated banter with Melvin and each other...
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
Marantz is trying hard to be everything to everyone, it will take some doing for them to gain respect again as a "true" high end company. If something is going to cost $24k, it had better sound like $24k. In that ultra high end arena there are some pretty tough contenders.
From what I've read... they are doing a really good job at launching a full range of products.... Nothing wrong with having everything from entry level to high end... It's fairly common in the speaker world... B&W have had great success doing it... and Marantz seems to be respected again as a high end company, by the reviewers anyway, even if not much of the American population are willing to give them a try...
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
Since Marantz and Mac are under the same umbrella I also have to wonder if any sharing is going on there. Neither line is very well represented in my area, especially in the separates and more expensive gear, so I can't say how well Marantz is doing with a come back to the higher end. One of our high end shops carries the Marantz HT receivers as a entry level, I'd think if any of their other gear would compete they would bring it in. Arcam has been a staple there. They tried Cambridge for a while but dropped it in favor of NAD. We'll see what happens there.
Maybe, maybe not... Sometimes dealers bring in gear that are popular or that they get better mark-ups on... doesn't mean what they don't stock isn't good... also, your dealer may just never have listened to any of the high end Marantz gear... like most, he may just assume that it's crap and stick to the Receivers....
Anyway, I don't want to come off as some die-hard Marantz fan... I've just read great reviews for their highend gear, including the 24k setup... but I haven't listened to it or compared it to Mcintosh or Krell etc... So I can't honestly say how it stacks up in my opinion... but if I was in the market for high end gear, I wouldn't rule them out without first listening....
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Originally Posted by GMichael
It does seem like a big waste of time doesn't it? No matter how logical we are, how many facts we present, or quotes given our, he just ignores anything that doesn't agree with his ideas. Just like any other politician.
Yes, but instead of kissing babies, he eats them.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
It does seem like a big waste of time doesn't it? No matter how logical we are, how many facts we present, or quotes given our, he just ignores anything that doesn't agree with his ideas. Just like any other politician.
Who we talkin' bout here? Pix or Melvin?
Methinks he's using some speech-recognition software - he's making a lot of the same grammatical mistakes - too many for coincidence. The "or"/"are" thing makes it hard to follow at times. Good on him for bashing our schools though.
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Originally Posted by Groundbeef
Yes, but instead of kissing babies, he eats them.
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes:
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
As for as audio it appears most of you is as ignorant of audio as you are cars.
That is why I am here to , educate ? not all but most !
How the hell are we supposed to learn from someone who can't write?
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Originally Posted by Groundbeef
It took a couple of seconds to look up, and it appears since 2002, Toyota has not won an event, but has placed 2nd. That means that it beat German, Italian, and American autos.
Here:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/01/27/3232683.htm
I'm no car enthusiest, but your 1 drumbeat has grown tiresome.
Honda makes some fine engines, and I've no doubt Toyota has some killer engineers as well. Your average, off the showroom floor BMW has NO better chance of winning a Formula 1 race either. So your doubious ablitily to equate F1 performance with day to day operations of an auto are funny at best. Delusional at best.
I'd like to see your F1 Ferarri, McLaren, rub a little paint on the Nascar Circuit. Now that would be funny!
BTW in 1990 this article stated that Honda has been so successful with its engines in F1 that "most of the excitement has been taken out of the races". That's in 1990!!!!
Heres the article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...rssnyt&emc=rss
I know it may take some time for you to digest it, but Japanese automakers are doing plenty in F1.
Also you bloviating windbag, it appears that HONDA won a F1 race in 1967. Thats 1967! Heres the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Italian_Grand_Prix
I'm gonna let loose with some loose language. You, Mr. Walker, are a fool. Do some research before you come spouting "facts" without even knowing them yourself. It appears you know even less about autos than you do A/V. And I thought that would be impossible!!
Ferrari won the Formula One Championship followed by BMW , Renault , Williams Toyota.
McLaren Mercedes would have been the winner but because of rules violation lost it's points and Ferrari was awarded the winner. Mercedes lost all it's points as a result.
You don't even know where to find a source on a computer.
Nascar cars are to big and can't turn corners , friends of mine call them rounders ! on a road circuit they would not be a factor, the FI cars would run of and hide form the cheaper
not as well built Nascar iron.
Showroom comparison , the best Honda , Toyota , Accura , and Lexus vs the BMW 760i,
M6 , M5 , Mercedes S600 , S65AMG , SLK55AMG , just to name a few. I forgot Porsche !
How many FI Championships has Honda won ?
I may be a fool but you can't read ! It is true you know little about cars , what do you know anything about ?
The European cars control international racing ! FI and sports cars ! The Japanese are still trying "READ" . The Italians , Germans and British has no peers when it comes to building great motor cars. Only Ford Motor Company has won an international championship as a non European . The Fords were developed in Great Britain . The first successful Ford GT'40s were driven by European drivers.
I don't blame you I blame the computer , we must read "BOOKS"
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
I only read the post !
What is your definition of loose language ?
Re-read the post from you that I quoted. If we had said the same things to you, you would have gotten very upset and posted more unhappy faces.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Re-read the post from you that I quoted. If we had said the same things to you, you would have gotten very upset and posted more unhappy faces.
I don't get upset .I enjoy the give and take. Believe it or not I respect many of the opinions posted here. The unhappy faces are fun.
I agree to disagree. it likes driving on the autobahn , at first it's tough but you get better.
At first I was surprised at the response , not now.
I rather enjoy debating with all of you. We all learn something. You might call it the clashing with the generations.
Isn't America a wonderful. Keep it coming.
What about this face ?
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Originally Posted by melvin walker
I don't get upset .I enjoy the give and take. Believe it or not I respect many of the opinions posted here. The unhappy faces are fun.
I agree to disagree. it likes driving on the autobahn , at first it's tough but you get better.
At first I was surprised at the response , not now.
I rather enjoy debating with all of you. We all learn something. You might call it the clashing with the generations.
Isn't America a wonderful. Keep it coming.
What about this face ?
It seems that debating is what a lot of members here (or on other boards) come for. It's a good way to blow off steam.
I would have loved to give the autobahn a drive back when I was younger. Although I have no trouble at over 100mph, 150+ is more than I would go now. My reflexes are not what they once were.
That face is much nicer. Thank you.
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