Worst Sequel of all Time

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  • 08-04-2005, 06:20 AM
    Worf101
    Worst Sequel of all Time
    Some real stinkeroo's here. Talk about the sophmore slumps but this isn't just limited to Part II's it can include later iterations of multi movie franchises that somehow lose their way. Be good and have fun.
  • 08-04-2005, 06:36 AM
    Worf101
    I voted for the Howling II
    "The Howling" is one of if not my fave Werewolf movie with "Dog Soldiers" right behind. It was bright, funny, scary and witty and has the greatest werewolf transformation sequence ever filmed and that includes the awful dog thing from "An American Werewolf in London". I really lloved that film. The sequel with Christopher Lee is as absolute nightmarish mish mash of softcore porn and rank stupidity. Never has a more promising franchise been so thoroughly and completely destroyed by hacks. All that is bad with Hollywood, wrapped in one big stinkin' pile o' dung.

    Da Worfster :mad:
  • 08-04-2005, 07:13 AM
    daigoro
    Ooooh, good topic!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Worf101
    Some real stinkeroo's here. Talk about the sophmore slumps but this isn't just limited to Part II's it can include later iterations of multi movie franchises that somehow lose their way. Be good and have fun.

    The award for biggest drop in quality from original to sequel goes to:

    Caddyshack II
    Jaws II
    Jaws III
    Jaws IV
    Star Wars Episode I
    Excorcist II
    European Vacation

    On the positive side, best sequels ever includes:

    Godfather II
    Aliens
    The Empire Strikes Back
    Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan

    Movies that i HOPE are never re-made or sequeled:

    The Graduate
    Animal House
    Blade Runner
  • 08-04-2005, 07:25 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Holy pig crap Batman, we are stinko!!!! If I was Robin, this is what I would have said in this movie. Brown drivel this crap is....
  • 08-04-2005, 09:00 AM
    Kam
    There's a whooooooooole lot of remakes in the works.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Holy pig crap Batman, we are stinko!!!! If I was Robin, this is what I would have said in this movie. Brown drivel this crap is....

    agreed with sirttt on this one, schumacker destroyed the franchise. (thankfully nolan has revived it). but wow, were these batcrap's just some of the worst movies ever. but only because you didnt include Jaws IV... that movie is anathema to me.

    and while animal house is still safe from hollywood, a number of classic remakes (and tv show remakes) are currently in development:

    Porky's
    Revenge of the Nerds
    The 39 Steps (one of my favorite hitchcock movies, WHY are they doing this?)
    The Evil Dead
    I Dream of Jeannie (with kate hudson)
    The Incredible Shrinking Man
    and if you're a fan of japanese cinema, especially japanese horror, nearly EVERYTHING of the last 5 years over there is being remade over here. (even scorcese's new movie, The Departed, is based on the japanese movie, "The Informer")

    so... dont expect anything "new" coming out of hollywood for quite some time.

    peace
    k2
  • 08-04-2005, 09:16 AM
    kexodusc
    I had to Vote for the odd numbered Star Trek's. Say what you want about any of the others. Star Trek is a franchise with creative resources that dwarf the Lucasfilm empire. I'm not talking money.
    I'm talking the 400 different writers they've had over the years, the corporation of alien makers.

    A Star Trek video game should NEVER have a more compelling story than a Star Trek movie.

    Hands up, how many of us have ever seen a bad Start Trek episode that was better than those 2 movies?

    You mean to tell me that you can produce a 1 hour episode on a $1,000,000 budget better than you can produce a 2 hour movie on a $50 million budget?

    Unacceptable...there's some bad sequels out there (The Next Karate Kid, Karate Kid Pt. II, Karate Kid Pt. III) but they didn't fall as far or as hard as Star Trek did.

    From now on, the tv writers write Star Trek movies.
  • 08-04-2005, 09:51 AM
    eisforelectronic
    Now this was a hard decision! I went with the Star Treks mainly because I hated #5 and generations soo much. But, really, will any Star Trek sequel ever equal "Wrath of Khan"?
  • 08-04-2005, 10:57 AM
    Lexmark3200
    Alright, let me give you my take on this.....

    STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN is probably the BEST example of one of the BEST sequels ever made, hands down, and not just primarily because it simply wiped the ass of THE MOTION PICTURE which was a massive bore. Its just one of the finest science fiction films ever made what with its battles between the Enterprise and Reliant, and the whole tension and revenge plot between Kirk and Khan from the original series.

    Now, that said, heres my votes for WORST SEQUELS because these always stand out in my mind:

    EXORCIST II: THE HERETIC
    2FAST2FURIOUS
    GREASE 2
  • 08-04-2005, 11:11 AM
    Worf101
    Some real stinkers there D....
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daigoro
    The award for biggest drop in quality from original to sequel goes to:

    Caddyshack II
    Jaws II
    Jaws III
    Jaws IV
    Star Wars Episode I
    Excorcist II
    European Vacation

    On the positive side, best sequels ever includes:

    Godfather II
    Aliens
    The Empire Strikes Back
    Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan

    Movies that i HOPE are never re-made or sequeled:

    The Graduate
    Animal House
    Blade Runner

    One, two and four could've easily been on this list and probably should be. Before the next poll I may have to consult with ya and a few of the other heads round here to round out the top 10.

    Da Worfster
    :cool:
  • 08-04-2005, 11:50 AM
    Woochifer
    I voted for Batman and Robin, my gawd what a horrible all-around abortion of a movie that was.

    And the nipples on the batsuit, WTF was that all about?! Maybe this was one of the deleted scenes:

    Robin: Holy refugee camp! I'm starving Batman!
    Batman: Hang in there boy wonder, I've got just the thing. I'm wearing my new Batlactator suit! Here, suck on one of these...
    Robin: IIIIIIIIIIII ddddon't knnnnow, those don't look very safe to me.
    Batman: Oh man, did you catch me in the batcave nursing myself? You weren't supposed to see that!
    Robin: Yeah, talk about disturbing sights! You know I'm not down with double dipping, so why you offering me those sagging flesh sacks? You wash those skanky pointers before you go about offering them to someone, okay?
    Batman: Sorry 'bout that! Next time, I'll remember to bring an extra energy bar.

    I thought the series was buried and gone after the Batman and Robin debaucle. Thankfully, the studio allowed some time for that stench to air out, and totally reboot the series with Christopher Nolan's almost miraculously good Batman Begins.

    Some other stinker sequels that come to mind:

    Speed II
    Under Seige II
    Beverly Hills Cop III
    Another 48 Hours
    Superman III & IV
    Matrix Reloaded & Revolutions
    Jurassic Park II
    Robocop II & III
    Rambo II & III
    (First Blood was actually a good movie)
  • 08-04-2005, 01:29 PM
    steamboy 2
    batman & robin
    jaws 4
    excorcist 2
    superman 3 & 4
    speed 2
    robocop 3

    here's one of many problems that sequels have is the screenplay. you would think that the studio's would say no to bad ideas & screenplays to good & great movies & also the director's to agree too, because they are the ones who gets most of the blame for making that bad sequel.
  • 08-04-2005, 03:27 PM
    Lexmark3200
    Yeah guys, I'll agree that after BATMAN RETURNS, the franchise went down the toilet, most notably because Joel Shumacker got his paws on them; Batman and Robin was horrid, especially with George Clooney as Bruce Wayne/Batman (HORRIBLE choice; only Michael Keaton got this role right even with the spot-on Batman "sneer" from under the mask) and the God-awful Mr Freeze played by Schwazzanegger.....

    BUT, I am still going to pick up the FRANCHISE BOX SET Warner is releasing this October of all the Batman films digitally remastered and with DTS audio, to boot, because I think as a whole, Im a fan of the franchise.....yet nothing will approach Burton's first dark film with Nicholson as the Joker and Keaton as the caped crusader.
  • 08-04-2005, 03:28 PM
    Lexmark3200
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by steamboy 2
    batman & robin
    jaws 4
    excorcist 2
    superman 3 & 4
    speed 2
    robocop 3

    here's one of many problems that sequels have is the screenplay. you would think that the studio's would say no to bad ideas & screenplays to good & great movies & also the director's to agree too, because they are the ones who gets most of the blame for making that bad sequel.

    Yes! Thats right! How can I forget??? JAWS: THE REVENGE is one of the worst films ever made; and yet I have it on DVD just to complete the JAWS collection I have. I dont so much mind Superman III and IV but they WERE utter crap compared to the almost-perfect SUPERMAN II.....

    And speaking of that, does anyone have any information regarding the Special Edition of Superman II that was supposed to be released? Its the franchise's most popular and best entry, and yet we havent yet seen the SE treatment on this. I havent bought the SUPERMAN COLLECTION box set yet because I just dont enjoy them all as much as II......

    KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!!
  • 08-04-2005, 10:25 PM
    paul_pci
    I voted for Godfather III for two reasons. Number 1: Godfather was perfect until 3 came along, which made 3 worse than it really is; it's insult and injury at the same time. Number 2: it represents a problem for sequels that are shared by others on the poll list, namely that it's just beating a dead horse (pun intended). Let's put the story to bed already: Terminator, Rocky, Aliens, Jaws, Jurrasic Park, etc.
  • 08-04-2005, 11:26 PM
    RGA
    The idea for worst sequels is good and at first I would have chosen the batman and Robin film BUT it depends how you view the worst sequal. Worst FILM I agree with Woochifer as a wholesale dung heep of a film. The problem is the film isn;t much of a come down from the first three which were all mediocre (except Batman Begins which they finally got right).

    To my way of thinking a bad sequal has to fall very far from the original. Or if the first two were good then third falls greatly. My pick would probably go to Star Trek 5 as falling so far from the very good Star Trek IV. And I'd even be tempted on Terminator 3 and Aliens 3.

    My Big Come down sequals are as follows:
    Out of 5 stars

    Rocky ***1/2
    Rocky 2 **1/2
    Rocky 3 **
    Rocky 4 *1/2
    Rocky 5 *

    Terminator ****1/2
    Terminator 2 ****
    Terminator 3 *1/2 (major dissapointment)

    Alien ***
    Aliens ****1/2
    Alien 3 *1/2 (man what dreck)
    Alien: Resurection **

    Poltergeist ****
    Poltergeist 2 * (Ugh)

    Exorcist *****
    Exorcist 2: The Heretic *1/2 (man why bother)

    Star Trek **
    Star Trek II ****
    Star Trek III ***
    Star Trek IV ****
    Star Trek V *
    Star Trek 6 ***
    Star Trek: Generations **1/2
    Star Trek: First Contact ***1/2
    Star Trek: Insurection ***
    Star Trek: Nemesis ***

    Superman ***1/2
    Superman II ****
    Superman III *1/2 (Stupid film)
    Superman IV *
    Supergirl * (if it counts)

    Speed ***
    Speed II *

    2001: A Space Odyssey *****
    2010: ** (Why?)

    Jaws *****
    Jaws II ***
    Jaws 3D *1/2
    Jaws: The Revenge -- No Stars (Michael Caine needed a new beach house apparently)

    Halloween ****1/2
    Halloween II *1/2 (what a mess)

    Batman **1/2
    Batman Returns **
    Batman Forever **
    Batman and Robin 1/2*
    Batman Begins ****

    There are many more but it's too late.
  • 08-05-2005, 03:21 AM
    kexodusc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RGA

    To my way of thinking a bad sequal has to fall very far from the original. Or if the first two were good then third falls greatly. My pick would probably go to Star Trek 5 as falling so far from the very good Star Trek IV. And I'd even be tempted on Terminator 3 and Aliens 3.

    I think this is why Blade 3 didn't make the list.
  • 08-05-2005, 06:30 AM
    Worf101
    I think D and RGA might have hit on something...
    The biggest drop-off in quality is a good criteria for rating worst sequels. And using that criteria, my choice of Howling II still stands. It was awful. Good responses folks...

    Da Worfster :cool:
  • 08-05-2005, 07:53 AM
    GMichael
    Nice list RGA. I think you hit it on the head.
  • 08-05-2005, 11:40 AM
    Lexmark3200
    .....and being a die hard Trek fan, I'll second that vote for STAR TREK V....the WORST entry in the ENTIRE franchise.....
  • 08-05-2005, 11:55 AM
    Lexmark3200
    Here's how I feel about RGA's professional and thought-out list.....

    "Rocky ***1/2
    Rocky 2 **1/2
    Rocky 3 **
    Rocky 4 *1/2
    Rocky 5"

    Liked all of them and thought in terms of sequeling, this was the best box set I purchased.

    "Terminator ****1/2
    Terminator 2 ****
    Terminator 3 *1/2 (major dissapointment)"

    Liked T3 the best believe it or not; the first one put me to sleep.

    "Alien ***
    Aliens ****1/2
    Alien 3 *1/2 (man what dreck)
    Alien: Resurection **"

    The only one REALLY worth watching is the first,

    "Poltergeist ****
    Poltergeist 2 * (Ugh)"

    I actually liked one two and three in this series......

    "Exorcist *****
    Exorcist 2: The Heretic *1/2 (man why bother)"

    The first film is anabsolute gem, the second one of the WORST FILMS OF ALL TIME, the third a good sequel to the first and the fourth prequel just unnecessary.

    "Star Trek **
    Star Trek II ****
    Star Trek III ***
    Star Trek IV ****
    Star Trek V *
    Star Trek 6 ***
    Star Trek: Generations **1/2
    Star Trek: First Contact ***1/2
    Star Trek: Insurection ***
    Star Trek: Nemesis ***"

    Liked them all except V......

    "Superman ***1/2
    Superman II ****
    Superman III *1/2 (Stupid film)
    Superman IV *
    Supergirl * (if it counts)"

    Oh God....SUPERGIRL? Give me a break....a waste of celluloid and any film student will even tell you that; at any rate, I enjoyed Superman II the best and cant wait for that Special Edition to be released if it ever will be......

    "Speed ***
    Speed II *"

    The second one sucked and was totally unnecessary.

    "2001: A Space Odyssey *****
    2010: ** (Why?)"

    Right.

    "Jaws *****
    Jaws II ***
    Jaws 3D *1/2
    Jaws: The Revenge -- No Stars (Michael Caine needed a new beach house apparently)"

    Absolutely agreed; I think Jaws 2 worked for the most part but the series went dowhill from there----BUT I do own all of them on DVD and watching part 3 in Sea World with Louis Gossett Jr is always a hoot......THE REVENGE is a smoldering piece of dog vomit.....

    "Halloween ****1/2
    Halloween II *1/2 (what a mess)"

    Oh I disagree here; HALLOWEEN is a FANTASTIC film and the sequel does a good job in keeping Carpenter's pacing a bit more, but you cant go by me because I liked Halloween III and 4: The Return of Michael Myers, too; after that, the franchise went into the toilet....BUSTA RHYMES starring in a Halloween film? John Carpenter should shoot someone for this....

    But as a SEQUEL, picking up EXACTLY WHERE Halloween left off, I think HALLOWEEN II worked very well.....even updating Carpenter's classic score in a more modern, synthesized fashion.

    "Batman **1/2
    Batman Returns **
    Batman Forever **
    Batman and Robin 1/2*
    Batman Begins ****"

    I liked them all and plan on picking up the remastered box set when its out this Fall----BUT, there is NO DOUBT that the first two are MUCH better than the last two, ESPECIALLY the awful BATMAN AND ROBIN with Schwazzanger and Clooney (HORRIBLE choices here; no one played the Bruce Wayne role or looked better as Batman behind the suit than Michael Keaton, and no one played the villian better than Nicholson's Joker). This is all discounting BATMAN BEGINS because I havent seen it...
  • 08-05-2005, 05:49 PM
    RGA
    *** or better I recommend.

    Rocky I liked more when I was a kid - I don't think they hold-up well except for the original whihc had a plausible story. Part three was pretty lame and 4 was another America propaganda piece and 5 was downright terrible.

    Halloween II was awful -- let's get away from the scares and go for the gore. One kinows it's a bad horror film when they have to resort to killing characters off by having them slip on blood. Parts three on were bad as well - part 6 being one of the worst films of the horror genre.

    Terminator 3 was non-stop action and non-stop boredom. Give me a story please - create a character someone cares about please. The original Terminator I consider to be a classic Romance film supplanted in the Science Fiction/Thriller genre. It propelled Arnold, James Cameron and Linda Hamilton to greater things by escaping the usual by the numbers formula. The film had a strong story, intelligent people and smart unstoppable(almost) adversary. Part 2 held up well adding impressive special effects and retained the elements of the original along the same story arc. Patrt 3 was tacked on rubbish solely to make some bucks. The villain was a complete bore they did nothing with and the internal battle of Arnold was howlingly laughable.

    Alien versus Aliens is debateable because I feel the two films are of different genres. Alien is a slasher film in space and an alien instead of a guy in a hiockey mask. In other words it's a straight up horror flick with the killer/alien picking off the crew. Aliens is more ambitious getting into the sci-fi/thriller/action mold with some politics of the future of mankind. But it's less scary perhaps than the original - but they go for more special effects and more story all around. It's in my opinion more watchable on multiple viewings. Alien 3 was caca.

    Batman almost got *** on the sheer strength of Jack Nicholson's over-the-top Joker. The problem is that every second he was NOT on the screen Batman was a total crapfest. The Dialogue was just so bad.

    Part 2 and 3 were plain boring and Batman and Robin was unexplainably horrid.

    The Exorcist was somewhat redeemed by part 3 which was mildly watchable tahnks to George C Scott.
  • 08-05-2005, 08:17 PM
    eisforelectronic
    I consider Aliens to be one of the Best movies ever made.
  • 08-05-2005, 08:49 PM
    Lexmark3200
    "Rocky I liked more when I was a kid - I don't think they hold-up well except for the original whihc had a plausible story. Part three was pretty lame and 4 was another America propaganda piece and 5 was downright terrible."

    They all tie together as a great series in the end. Five was pretty bad, but not as bad as the press it received.

    "Halloween II was awful -- let's get away from the scares and go for the gore."

    This is what the film has ALWAYS been accused of but it is NEVER UNDERSTOOD BY ANYONE is the fact that RICK ROSENTHAL is no John Carpenter, as everyone "thought" he should have been.....the film absolutely works as a sequel to me.

    "One kinows it's a bad horror film when they have to resort to killing characters off by having them slip on blood. Parts three on were bad as well - part 6 being one of the worst films of the horror genre."

    After 4: The Return of Michael Myers (which, if you are a Halloween fan, you would understand was the last of the films in the franchise to bring back the "classic" feel of these pictures) the series indeed went downhill.....like I said, as soon as I saw BUSTA RHYMES in the last entry, I knew it was over.......

    "Terminator 3 was non-stop action and non-stop boredom. Give me a story please - create a character someone cares about please. The original Terminator I consider to be a classic Romance film supplanted in the Science Fiction/Thriller genre. It propelled Arnold, James Cameron and Linda Hamilton to greater things by escaping the usual by the numbers formula. The film had a strong story, intelligent people and smart unstoppable(almost) adversary. Part 2 held up well adding impressive special effects and retained the elements of the original along the same story arc. Patrt 3 was tacked on rubbish solely to make some bucks. The villain was a complete bore they did nothing with and the internal battle of Arnold was howlingly laughable."

    Thats an opinion, and you are entitled to it, but 3 was my favorite and the first one simply put me to sleep in comparison to it; no matter what "film scholars" say. I can think of 100 science fiction films I enjoy better than the original Terminator.

    "Batman almost got *** on the sheer strength of Jack Nicholson's over-the-top Joker. The problem is that every second he was NOT on the screen Batman was a total crapfest. The Dialogue was just so bad."

    I disagree. NOBODY but Keaton got the Batman "sneer" behind the mask down nor the "gestures" of the caped crusader; just watch that scene when Keaton is holding up Nicholson and Nicholson says "nice outfit....." before he gets dropped into the vat of acid......Keaton's sneer beneath the mask was SPOT ON.

    "Part 2 and 3 were plain boring and Batman and Robin was unexplainably horrid."

    Batman returns was not that bad; I'll give you the rest.

    "The Exorcist was somewhat redeemed by part 3 which was mildly watchable tahnks to George C Scott."

    Oh man.....if you think George C Scott's performance was the only saving grace of that story, you better think again or read the novel its based on, LEGION......I read the book twice and have seen Exorcist III COUNTLESS times and there is much much more to that story that makes it a GENUINE sequel to the original than what you mention.
  • 08-07-2005, 11:05 AM
    RGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eisforelectronic
    I consider Aliens to be one of the Best movies ever made.

    It's in my top 100 all time
  • 08-07-2005, 11:07 AM
    RGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lexmark3200
    They all tie together as a great series in the end. Five was pretty bad, but not as bad as the press it received.

    Yes it was as bad as the press it received -- it is one of the worst pieces of crap ever filmed and deserved it's all around lambasting. Most critics hated part 3 and 4 as well - and a great many didn't even like part 2. Part 5 had the visual look of a made for tv epiosode and Sly was especially poor.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lexmark3200
    This is what the film has ALWAYS been accused of but it is NEVER UNDERSTOOD BY ANYONE is the fact that RICK ROSENTHAL is no John Carpenter, as everyone "thought" he should have been.....the film absolutely works as a sequel to me.

    That's fine most people think it's crap and I'm in the most people camp on this one. You're right that he is no Carpenter who did not want another one made - and John was right. The original Halloween ended perfectly with a menacing open ending -- There was no need to make another film except to make a profit.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lexmark3200
    Thats an opinion, and you are entitled to it, but 3 was my favorite and the first one simply put me to sleep in comparison to it; no matter what "film scholars" say. I can think of 100 science fiction films I enjoy better than the original Terminator.

    Well it's always opinion but I'm sorry IMO part 3 was written for ten year old boys - it is moronically juvenile and I can't see anyone liking this piece of crap over the orriginal -- for some it must all be about the quality of the special effects - and most serious film scholars probably would not be talking about any of the Terminator films other than the first one which is by far the smartest as science fiction and most RAW of the three. It's special effects don't hold up well - I believe it was stop motion animation and filmed on 1.5 million budget. I know some people like part 2(the extended edition) better and I can grant them that because it has more of an epic scope than the first but part 3??? Man.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lexmark3200
    I disagree. NOBODY but Keaton got the Batman "sneer" behind the mask down nor the "gestures" of the caped crusader; just watch that scene when Keaton is holding up Nicholson and Nicholson says "nice outfit....." before he gets dropped into the vat of acid......Keaton's sneer beneath the mask was SPOT ON.

    Nothing wrong with Keaton until he had to utter the atrocious lines the writers gave him. The Dialogue with Vicky Vale and Keaton in the Bat Cave is some of the most atrocious dialiogue I have had the misfortune of listening to. Her character and performance was atrocious. I was not overly thrilled with the visual style of any of the first 4 of these films -- especially compared to Batman Begins which is so vastly superior to the lot it's not even a contest. And to be honest I'd rather watch the Cult classic hilariously silly Original 1966 Batman Movie starring the pot-bellied Adam West as Batman. At least the dialogue was Intentionally inane.