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Originally Posted by kexodusc
Okay, just to fuel some more speculation on the whole baby Aaron in the future angle - I just finished watching "Greatest Hits" (2nd last episode of Season3) where Desmond tells Charlie about his vision of him drowning in The Looking Glass station. Desmond also tells Charlie that both Aaron AND Claire get rescued and fly off the island in a helicopter in his vision.
So I'm assuming something happens to Claire on the freighter, or later on?
Didn't Desmond tell Charlie that, in his vision, he sees Claire and Aaron GET ON the helicopter? Or does he just say that he sees them on a helicopter?
Because if he said that he sees them "get on"...he's already off the island and, presumably, on his way to the freighter. So how could he see them get on the helicopter?
JSE, we don't know who the sixth is yet. I don't think it can be Ben. If there are people out to get Ben then I suspect that Ben would find another, less conspicuous, way to get back to the real world without all the commotion that would have surrounded the return of the Oceanic survivors. He's obviously able to have contact with the world outside of the island, regardless of what he's been telling the Losties.
My guess is that the sixth person is Locke...I also think that's who's in the coffin.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Didn't Desmond tell Charlie that, in his vision, he sees Claire and Aaron GET ON the helicopter? Or does he just say that he sees them on a helicopter?
Because if he said that he sees them "get on"...he's already off the island and, presumably, on his way to the freighter. So how could he see them get on the helicopter?
JSE, we don't know who the sixth is yet. I don't think it can be Ben. If there are people out to get Ben then I suspect that Ben would find another, less conspicuous, way to get back to the real world without all the commotion that would have surrounded the return of the Oceanic survivors. He's obviously able to have contact with the world outside of the island, regardless of what he's been telling the Losties.
My guess is that the sixth person is Locke...I also think that's who's in the coffin.
Cool, I thought maybe I missed someone being the 6th. I'm also guessing the 6th person is in coffin. It will be interesting to see how many "others" are now back in the real world. Did Juliet make it off?
And BTW, where are all the others?
I think the guy who originally recruited Ben is still out there. You know the guy who does not age and used to be the cameraman on Suddenly Susan. I'm thinking he is much more important than has been let on so far.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Didn't Desmond tell Charlie that, in his vision, he sees Claire and Aaron GET ON the helicopter? Or does he just say that he sees them on a helicopter?
Because if he said that he sees them "get on"...he's already off the island and, presumably, on his way to the freighter. So how could he see them get on the helicopter?
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He says he sees them "get on" a helicopter and sees that they are "rescued".
FA, I'm not sure I follow your distinction above...Desmond could see them get on the helicopter without necessarily being on the helicopter himself. Or he could be with them? Are his flashes limited to things he's actually there to experience? Maybe Des comes back in the same helicopter to let them know it's safe?
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Maybe the 6th is one of the two newbie's that were buried alive.
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Maybe the 6th is one of the two newbie's that were buried alive.
Yeah, and they use their zombie powers to track down and eat Claire's brains. Kate saves the day by killing the zombies, and "adopting" kate.
Then, Jack feels so guilty that he couldn't "save" Claire, he wants nothing to do with the baby.
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Originally Posted by Groundbeef
Yeah, and they use their zombie powers to track down and eat Claire's brains. Kate saves the day by killing the zombies, and "adopting" kate.
Then, Jack feels so guilty that he couldn't "save" Claire, he wants nothing to do with the baby.
Well, the island does have heeling powers.
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
He says he sees them "get on" a helicopter and sees that they are "rescued".
FA, I'm not sure I follow your distinction above...Desmond could see them get on the helicopter without necessarily being on the helicopter himself. Or he could be with them? Are his flashes limited to things he's actually there to experience? Maybe Des comes back in the same helicopter to let them know it's safe?
Desmond left the island in the helicopter with Sayid and Naomi's body. He's no longer on the island. Claire is. So, unless Desmond comes back to the island how can he see her get on the helicopter?
Versus...Desmond just sees them on the helicopter. In which case he could be on the freighter already, and see them arrive in the helicopter without actually seeing them get on it.
It's a small point. But it could be important...what does Desmond see and where does he see it from?
Does that make more sense? I don't know why it should...since nothing else does!
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Desmond left the island in the helicopter with Sayid and Naomi's body. He's no longer on the island. Claire is. So, unless Desmond comes back to the island how can he see her get on the helicopter?
Versus...Desmond just sees them on the helicopter. In which case he could be on the freighter already, and see them arrive in the helicopter without actually seeing them get on it.
It's a small point. But it could be important...what does Desmond see and where does he see it from?
Does that make more sense? I don't know why it should...since nothing else does!
Yep, gotcha...You're thinking from the perspective that Desmond already got on the helicopter and wouldn't be on the island to see Claire get on now too...Could very well be.
If the show's consistent, Desmond is present during all his visions so he'll make his way back and see Claire get on the helicopter as he said to Charlie. Which makes sense, the chopper will have to get back to the island, so I guess he's going to be on board when it does.
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Is Aaron among the "Oceanic Six?"
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Is Aaron among the "Oceanic Six?"
You know, that's a good question. We are not certain how he was "presented" to the rest of the world. Did kate say he was born on the island? Did they say he was he born after they got off? Did Ben bring him back unknown to the rest of the world?
Would be technically be a "Oceanic 6" since he was not born at the time of the crash? Just thinking......
Maybe there are still 2 of the 6 left to be revealed?
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
Yep, gotcha...You're thinking from the perspective that Desmond already got on the helicopter and wouldn't be on the island to see Claire get on now too...Could very well be.
If the show's consistent, Desmond is present during all his visions so he'll make his way back and see Claire get on the helicopter as he said to Charlie. Which makes sense, the chopper will have to get back to the island, so I guess he's going to be on board when it does.
Because nothing on Lost is ever easy, here's another scenario...Claire and Aaron get to the boat. But then there's another helicopter to take them back to the real world. Des sees them get on the second one.
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Well, if it were easy, Des would see them both get on a helicopter, but one of the freighter folk throws Claire into the ocean...or she gets all Charlie-sick and throws herself in...
I figure if I throw enough guesses at the wall, one's bound to stick.
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Originally Posted by JSE
You know, that's a good question. We are not certain how he was "presented" to the rest of the world. Did kate say he was born on the island? Did they say he was he born after they got off? Did Ben bring him back unknown to the rest of the world?
Would be technically be a "Oceanic 6" since he was not born at the time of the crash? Just thinking......
Maybe there are still 2 of the 6 left to be revealed?
One of my collegues and I were discussing this situation and the timeline at work.
Fact: Kate was on the plane with a federal marshal and was not preggers.
Fact: It would be known that Kate was not preggers and that if she was, it would have to be very early in the pregnancy as there was no evidence of it. So, she could not have given birth while on the island.
Fact: Kate would not be able to convince anyone that Aaron was her biological child.
So, here's what I'm thinking...at Kate's court case Jack said that there were eight people who survived the crash but two of them later died. My guess is that they told the world that Claire survived the crash and Aaron was born on the island but that Claire died giving birth to him and Kate took over as his mother. So far, Kate is the only female in the Oceanic 6. If Claire, Rose or Sun isn't one of the 6, then the rest of the world would believe that Kate was the only female survivor and, therefore, the logical choice to replace Claire as a mother figure.
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
...or she gets all Charlie-sick and throws herself in...
LMAO!
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
One of my collegues and I were discussing this situation and the timeline at work.
Fact: Kate was on the plane with a federal marshal and was not preggers.
Fact: It would be known that Kate was not preggers and that if she was, it would have to be very early in the pregnancy as there was no evidence of it. So, she could not have given birth while on the island.
Fact: Kate would not be able to convince anyone that Aaron was her biological child.
Ah, but we don't really know how long they really were on the island. The only real evidence we have is Aaron. He looks about 2-ish. Plenty of time for Kate to get preggers and have a child if they were not rescued for maybe a year or so. That still leaves about a year back in the real world before trial. We are just assuming they got off via the ship that is currently out there. If so, that does not leave much of a story left. I'm guessing the ship will leave and the researchers get stuck on the Island. What if the person in the coffin is little asian guy who tried to blackmale Ben?
And what about the whole time difference thing displayed by the scientists experiment with the missle being launched from the ship. It lost 30 or so minutes. Convert that for the time they have been on the island and it might be much longer in "real world" time. The world might have thought they were gone for 4 or 5 years when it's really only been a few months on the island.
Dang it, there goes my head again.
Must rest,
JSE
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Remember this?
I think 3LB summed up this TV show best when he said this (and I hope he doesn't mind me taking this quote from the other thread FA started):
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Originally Posted by 3-LockBox
Finally, a TV show that rivals Irwin Allen's TV shows for plot-as-you-go writing, implausible scenarios, and wild-assed tangents.
All that's missing are shiny aliens with mysterious powers (repleat with capes, silver make-up and those goofy helmets).
This post had me rolling in the aisle, even though there probably weren't too many other fans of the show that appreciated the humor in it. :lol:
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Awww, come on guys, I was only kidding. :ihih:
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Lol....
I remember Irwin Allen quite fondly... "Land of the Giants", "The Time Tunnel" (my fave), "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" etc... good stuff there.
I had an inkling that Arron was there with Kate. Jack did something that either got Claire killed or she's still on the Island. In thinking of it all I doubt that the guy in the coffin was part of the Oceanic 6, there would've been a hell of a lot more press coverage if he were.
Da Worfster
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Jack did something that either got Claire killed or she's still on the Island. In thinking of it all I doubt that the guy in the coffin was part of the Oceanic 6, there would've been a hell of a lot more press coverage if he were.
Da Worfster
Fine display of deductive reasoning, my Klingon friend...I have to agree with you.
Maybe Jack's all messed up over Aaron/Claire because he somehow finds out Claire is his step-sister? Which makes Aaron his step-nephew?
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Originally Posted by Worf101
I had an inkling that Arron was there with Kate. Jack did something that either got Claire killed or she's still on the Island.
Remember, Jack and Claire are half siblings! They just don't know it yet in island time. That would make Aaron his half nephew! Maybe Aaron is a reminder of his father?
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Originally Posted by Worf101
In thinking of it all I doubt that the guy in the coffin was part of the Oceanic 6, there would've been a hell of a lot more press coverage if he were.
That's a great point! I'm still thinking it's Miles/Niles or whatever his name is.
Question, do the rest of the O6 know that Ben is alive and back in the real world? I mean, other than Said. Maybe Ben "is" in the coffin as far as the rest of the world in concerned. I just can't remember if Kate, Jack or Hurley have mentioned Ben's existence since they got off the island.
Edit: Ben told Said they are protecting the O6 the the presumed survivors who stayed behind. Ben is probably really only concerned with protecting himself and the island.
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
Fine display of deductive reasoning, my Klingon friend...I have to agree with you.
Maybe Jack's all messed up over Aaron/Claire because he somehow finds out Claire is his step-sister? Which makes Aaron his step-nephew?
Dang it, Kex! You beat me to it! :dita:
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Originally Posted by JSE
Remember, Jack and Claire are half siblings! They just don't know it yet in island time. That would make Aaron his half nephew! Maybe Aaron is a reminder of his father?
That's a great point! I'm still thinking it's Miles/Niles or whatever his name is.
Question, do the rest of O6 know that Ben is alive and back in the real world? I mean, other than Said. Maybe Ben "is" in the coffin as far as the rest of the world in concerned. I just can't remember if Kate, Jack or Hurley have mentioned Ben's existence since they got off the island.
And Jack never did view whoever it was. It might be that Ben is supposed to be in there but not. No one showed up to say, "Hey, that's not Ben." Everyone may THINK it's Ben but it's really some guy in a red t-shirt.
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some guy in a red t-shirt.
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They are always the first to die on Star Trek.
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