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Originally Posted by Worf101
Philistine!!!!!! LOL touche.....
Well, its the best theory I could come up with. I don't have a clue who Jacob is unless..
The Toe guys have evolved beyond the physical or can't act in our physical plane of existence anymore and require "intermediaries" to talk to us and explain their bidding, give us warnings etc.. When a dead or distant friend or relative appears (Ecko's brother, Walt etc, Jacks Dad, perhaps Jacob) that's the toe guys trying to communicate in this dimension or physical plane. (Man I'm just full ove it today).
Da Worfster
Seems as good as any other theory I've read so far.
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Some "other" thoughts...
As to why most folks can't "see" Jacob or the others. I believe you have to be "receptive" to them. Kinda like Dreyfuess in CE3K. Not eveyone can receive the signals. Walt could, Jack can (sometimes) Locke can, when he's not seething, Desmond... I'm not sure about that "brother".
Benry and "da boys" are doing the TG's bidding, keeping our grubby hands off their stash till they can return or finish up what they want. The folks behind the original DI want the Island in the worst way for either immortality or time travel. Either of which would change the world as we know it. The grubber's planted the fake plane so that they could safely kill off all the inhabitants of the Island and take what they want without "prying eyes" looking for them.
God I've GOT to stop drinking my lunch.
Da Worfster
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Maybe we are a type of decedents from these 3 toed island dwellers. Maybe they sliced their genes with a few ape genes and there you have it. Man (and woman) kind. And only the decedents with the recessive genes can see him. Kinda like on Stargate Atlantis.
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Originally Posted by Worf101
As to why most folks can't "see" Jacob or the others. I believe you have to be "receptive" to them. Kinda like Dreyfuess in CE3K. Not eveyone can receive the signals. Walt could, Jack can (sometimes) Locke can, when he's not seething, Desmond... I'm not sure about that "brother".
Benry and "da boys" are doing the TG's bidding, keeping our grubby hands off their stash till they can return or finish up what they want. The folks behind the original DI want the Island in the worst way for either immortality or time travel. Either of which would change the world as we know it. The grubber's planted the fake plane so that they could safely kill off all the inhabitants of the Island and take what they want without "prying eyes" looking for them.
God I've GOT to stop drinking my lunch.
Da Worfster
Sorry, who exactly are "the grubbers"?
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worfster! lovin' this theory... and to supplement on it...
The 4-Toed dudes (4 being the first number in the sequence as well) have evolved beyond this world to the Whispering Voices we've heard throughout the Island.
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You should all read this. No spoilers just a very interesting interview with Cuse and Lindelof.
"Sometimes, a bracelet is just a bracelet".
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Sorry, who exactly are "the grubbers"?
Da Grubbers are what I've named the outfit that sent Naomi, Ghostbuster, Geekboy and Sky King to the Island to hunt for Ben. They're represented by the skinny Black dude who visited Hugo in the looney bin and put together the team in the first place. Bad men with much power.
Da Worfster
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Originally Posted by Worf101
Da Grubbers are what I've named the outfit that sent Naomi, Ghostbuster, Geekboy and Sky King to the Island to hunt for Ben. They're represented by the skinny Black dude who visited Hugo in the looney bin and put together the team in the first place. Bad men with much power.
Da Worfster
Thanks. Okay, so I think the opposite of your theory. I think that Ben and whoever he's working with (also a very powerful group) planted the plane to keep the grubbers and rest of the world from looking for the real plane and, thus, stumbling upon the island.
How would the grubbers know to plant the plane? How did they know that there were survivors on the island? They went to the island to look for Ben, but I don't think that they knew that they would find the survivors of 815 on the island. I think that was a surprise.
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So Aaron is being raised by Kate? WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO CLAIRE? WHERE'S CLAIRE?
Were y'all surprised when Kate said Aaron's name at the end? By that time I knew it was coming. When she told Sawyer that she wasn't pregnant I knew something was up. Then when she said to Jack that she understood why he didn't want to see the baby...it clicked in. I knew at that moment that Kate's "son" was Aaron. Either this show is getting predictable or I'm just in tune by now with what the writers are thinking.
So, Aaron looked to be about two years old. We now have a reference to what time frame we're working in with the flash forward. It's gotta be about 2006 in yesterday's flash forward. Jack is still in pretty good shape. So how far forward, exactly, is the bearded suicidal Jack from the last episode of S3? Or, is this all-together Jack a recovered Jack and the beard is in his past. At least, we now know (or think we know) who Kate was referring to in that last S3 episode when she says, "I've got to go, he'll start wondering where I am".
And what was with Jack's testimony? Only eight of us survived the plane crash. Two died. Why is everyone lying? Purgering themselves in court no less.
I need a coffee...
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So Aaron is being raised by Kate? WHAT
I wasn't expecting that either. Figured it was Sawyer's.
Oh, and only 8 people lived?
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I wasn't expecting that either. Figured it was Sawyer's.
Oh, and only 8 people lived?
Sorry, I somehow posted before I was finished typing and then had to go back and finish as an edit.
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So Aaron is being raised by Kate? WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO CLAIRE? WHERE'S CLAIRE?
Were y'all surprised when Kate said Aaron's name at the end? By that time I knew it was coming. When she told Sawyer that she wasn't pregnant I knew something was up. Then when she said to Jack that she understood why he didn't want to see the baby...it clicked in. I knew at that moment that Kate's "son" was Aaron. Either this show is getting predictable or I'm just in tune by now with what the writers are thinking.
So, Aaron looked to be about two years old. We now have a reference to what time frame we're working in with the flash forward. It's gotta be about 2006 in yesterday's flash forward. Jack is still in pretty good shape. So how far forward, exactly, is the bearded suicidal Jack from the last episode of S3? Or, is this all-together Jack a recovered Jack and the beard is in his past. At least, we now know (or think we know) who Kate was referring to in that last S3 episode when she says, "I've got to go, he'll start wondering where I am".
And what was with Jack's testimony? Only eight of us survived the plane crash. Two died. Why is everyone lying? Purgering themselves in court no less.
I need a coffee...
I didn't put the name, and the baby (Claires) together, but thats a possiblity. I think however, that it's more likely Sawyers baby. Why would Jack be hesitiant to see the baby if it wasn't Kate's? I think somehow its Kates and Sawyers, and Jack doesn't want to see the association.
I love Hurley. "You just Scooby-Doo'ed me didn't you?".
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I didn't put the name, and the baby (Claires) together, but thats a possiblity. I think however, that it's more likely Sawyers baby. Why would Jack be hesitiant to see the baby if it wasn't Kate's? I think somehow its Kates and Sawyers, and Jack doesn't want to see the association.
I love Hurley. "You just Scooby-Doo'ed me didn't you?".
Maybe a decission he made caused Claire to end up dead.
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Why would Jack be hesitiant to see the baby if it wasn't Kate's? I think somehow its Kates and Sawyers, and Jack doesn't want to see the association.
Here's my theory. First the facts...
1. Only six people from 815 make it off the island.
2. There have been several references made by or to the Oceanic 6 about whether the people who didn't get off the island are still alive.
3. A mother who loves her child doesn't give up her child unless she's in danger or thinks that her child is in danger.
I think that as the last group of the Oceanic 6 were being helicoptered off the island, something bad was going down on the island. Claire thought that she and Aaron were in danger so she shoved Aaron into Kate's arms while Kate was on the helicopter and made Kate promise to take care of him.
Jack doesn't want to see the baby because it's a painful reminder of the people that they left behind and what might have happened to them.
To me, it just doesn't make sense that Kate would have Sawyer's baby and give him the same name as Claire's baby. I think that it has to be Claire's kid.
Of course, what do I really know? Not a damn thing. Aaron could be Kate and Ben's love child for all I know. After all, they did share an intimate breakfast together once. :ihih:
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Here's my theory. First the facts...
1. Only six people from 815 make it off the island.
2. There have been several references made by or to the Oceanic 6 about whether the people who didn't get off the island are still alive.
3. A mother her loves her child doesn't give up her child unless she's in danger or thinks that her child is in danger.
I think that as the last group of the Oceanic 6 were being helicoptered off the island, something bad was going down on the island. Claire thought that she and Aaron were in danger so she shoved Aaron into Kate's arms while Kate was on the helicopter and made Kate promise to take care of him.
Jack doesn't want to see the baby because it's a painful reminded of the people that they left behind and what might have happened to them.
To me, it just doesn't make sense that Kate would have Sawyer's baby and give him the same name as Claire's baby. I think that it has to be Claire's kid.
Of course, what do I really know? Not a damn thing. Aaron could be Kate and Ben's love child for all I know. After all, they did share an intimate breakfast together once. :ihih:
Pretty sure that's the same baby we've been watching for 3 + years now (which begs the question, how many actual babies has the show had to cast to play the role of Aaron?)
If Kate & Sawyer had a kid and named it Aaron too, well, that's just not very creative.
I wonder how old the kid is and how fast he's aging though? I may have misinterpreted Kate's mom, but I think she said she's been given 6 months to live for 4+ years now. If we assume she was diagnosed with 6 months to live in the same year Kate crashed on the island, there could be a bit of a time lag thingy going on here? Aaron didn't look 4, maybe not even 2 years old? Maybe that's what's freaking Jack out?
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Here's my theory. First the facts...
1. Only six people from 815 make it off the island.
2. There have been several references made by or to the Oceanic 6 about whether the people who didn't get off the island are still alive.
3. A mother who loves her child doesn't give up her child unless she's in danger or thinks that her child is in danger.
I think that as the last group of the Oceanic 6 were being helicoptered off the island, something bad was going down on the island. Claire thought that she and Aaron were in danger so she shoved Aaron into Kate's arms while Kate was on the helicopter and made Kate promise to take care of him.
Jack doesn't want to see the baby because it's a painful reminder of the people that they left behind and what might have happened to them.
To me, it just doesn't make sense that Kate would have Sawyer's baby and give him the same name as Claire's baby. I think that it has to be Claire's kid.
Of course, what do I really know? Not a damn thing. Aaron could be Kate and Ben's love child for all I know. After all, they did share an intimate breakfast together once. :ihih:
Don't you realize they are reading this? Every time someone guesses too close they re-write next week's script. They have 1700 alternate endings depending on how the guessing goes. Then, the week before the final episode, and we all think we have it figured out they will change it up again and leave us all just as LOST as we are now.:confused5:
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Okay, just to fuel some more speculation on the whole baby Aaron in the future angle - I just finished watching "Greatest Hits" (2nd last episode of Season3) where Desmond tells Charlie about his vision of him drowning in The Looking Glass station. Desmond also tells Charlie that both Aaron AND Claire get rescued and fly off the island in a helicopter in his vision.
So I'm assuming something happens to Claire on the freighter, or later on?
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Do we know who all the Oceanic 6 are yet? I thought we did but I can't remember the 6th.
Jack, Kate, Aaron, Said, Hurley...............?
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Do we know who all the Oceanic 6 are yet? I thought we did but I can't remember the 6th.
Jack, Kate, Aaron, Said, Hurley...............?
Ben? :incazzato:
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Ben? :incazzato:
Nope, Ben was not on the flight so there is no way he could be a survivor.
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Okay, just to fuel some more speculation on the whole baby Aaron in the future angle - I just finished watching "Greatest Hits" (2nd last episode of Season3) where Desmond tells Charlie about his vision of him drowning in The Looking Glass station. Desmond also tells Charlie that both Aaron AND Claire get rescued and fly off the island in a helicopter in his vision.
So I'm assuming something happens to Claire on the freighter, or later on?
Didn't Desmond tell Charlie that, in his vision, he sees Claire and Aaron GET ON the helicopter? Or does he just say that he sees them on a helicopter?
Because if he said that he sees them "get on"...he's already off the island and, presumably, on his way to the freighter. So how could he see them get on the helicopter?
JSE, we don't know who the sixth is yet. I don't think it can be Ben. If there are people out to get Ben then I suspect that Ben would find another, less conspicuous, way to get back to the real world without all the commotion that would have surrounded the return of the Oceanic survivors. He's obviously able to have contact with the world outside of the island, regardless of what he's been telling the Losties.
My guess is that the sixth person is Locke...I also think that's who's in the coffin.
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Didn't Desmond tell Charlie that, in his vision, he sees Claire and Aaron GET ON the helicopter? Or does he just say that he sees them on a helicopter?
Because if he said that he sees them "get on"...he's already off the island and, presumably, on his way to the freighter. So how could he see them get on the helicopter?
JSE, we don't know who the sixth is yet. I don't think it can be Ben. If there are people out to get Ben then I suspect that Ben would find another, less conspicuous, way to get back to the real world without all the commotion that would have surrounded the return of the Oceanic survivors. He's obviously able to have contact with the world outside of the island, regardless of what he's been telling the Losties.
My guess is that the sixth person is Locke...I also think that's who's in the coffin.
Cool, I thought maybe I missed someone being the 6th. I'm also guessing the 6th person is in coffin. It will be interesting to see how many "others" are now back in the real world. Did Juliet make it off?
And BTW, where are all the others?
I think the guy who originally recruited Ben is still out there. You know the guy who does not age and used to be the cameraman on Suddenly Susan. I'm thinking he is much more important than has been let on so far.
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Didn't Desmond tell Charlie that, in his vision, he sees Claire and Aaron GET ON the helicopter? Or does he just say that he sees them on a helicopter?
Because if he said that he sees them "get on"...he's already off the island and, presumably, on his way to the freighter. So how could he see them get on the helicopter?
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He says he sees them "get on" a helicopter and sees that they are "rescued".
FA, I'm not sure I follow your distinction above...Desmond could see them get on the helicopter without necessarily being on the helicopter himself. Or he could be with them? Are his flashes limited to things he's actually there to experience? Maybe Des comes back in the same helicopter to let them know it's safe?
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Maybe the 6th is one of the two newbie's that were buried alive.
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Maybe the 6th is one of the two newbie's that were buried alive.
Yeah, and they use their zombie powers to track down and eat Claire's brains. Kate saves the day by killing the zombies, and "adopting" kate.
Then, Jack feels so guilty that he couldn't "save" Claire, he wants nothing to do with the baby.
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Yeah, and they use their zombie powers to track down and eat Claire's brains. Kate saves the day by killing the zombies, and "adopting" kate.
Then, Jack feels so guilty that he couldn't "save" Claire, he wants nothing to do with the baby.
Well, the island does have heeling powers.
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He says he sees them "get on" a helicopter and sees that they are "rescued".
FA, I'm not sure I follow your distinction above...Desmond could see them get on the helicopter without necessarily being on the helicopter himself. Or he could be with them? Are his flashes limited to things he's actually there to experience? Maybe Des comes back in the same helicopter to let them know it's safe?
Desmond left the island in the helicopter with Sayid and Naomi's body. He's no longer on the island. Claire is. So, unless Desmond comes back to the island how can he see her get on the helicopter?
Versus...Desmond just sees them on the helicopter. In which case he could be on the freighter already, and see them arrive in the helicopter without actually seeing them get on it.
It's a small point. But it could be important...what does Desmond see and where does he see it from?
Does that make more sense? I don't know why it should...since nothing else does!
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Hi.
Just thought I'd pop in to say...
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Desmond left the island in the helicopter with Sayid and Naomi's body. He's no longer on the island. Claire is. So, unless Desmond comes back to the island how can he see her get on the helicopter?
Versus...Desmond just sees them on the helicopter. In which case he could be on the freighter already, and see them arrive in the helicopter without actually seeing them get on it.
It's a small point. But it could be important...what does Desmond see and where does he see it from?
Does that make more sense? I don't know why it should...since nothing else does!
Yep, gotcha...You're thinking from the perspective that Desmond already got on the helicopter and wouldn't be on the island to see Claire get on now too...Could very well be.
If the show's consistent, Desmond is present during all his visions so he'll make his way back and see Claire get on the helicopter as he said to Charlie. Which makes sense, the chopper will have to get back to the island, so I guess he's going to be on board when it does.
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Is Aaron among the "Oceanic Six?"
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Is Aaron among the "Oceanic Six?"
You know, that's a good question. We are not certain how he was "presented" to the rest of the world. Did kate say he was born on the island? Did they say he was he born after they got off? Did Ben bring him back unknown to the rest of the world?
Would be technically be a "Oceanic 6" since he was not born at the time of the crash? Just thinking......
Maybe there are still 2 of the 6 left to be revealed?
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Yep, gotcha...You're thinking from the perspective that Desmond already got on the helicopter and wouldn't be on the island to see Claire get on now too...Could very well be.
If the show's consistent, Desmond is present during all his visions so he'll make his way back and see Claire get on the helicopter as he said to Charlie. Which makes sense, the chopper will have to get back to the island, so I guess he's going to be on board when it does.
Because nothing on Lost is ever easy, here's another scenario...Claire and Aaron get to the boat. But then there's another helicopter to take them back to the real world. Des sees them get on the second one.
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Well, if it were easy, Des would see them both get on a helicopter, but one of the freighter folk throws Claire into the ocean...or she gets all Charlie-sick and throws herself in...
I figure if I throw enough guesses at the wall, one's bound to stick.
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You know, that's a good question. We are not certain how he was "presented" to the rest of the world. Did kate say he was born on the island? Did they say he was he born after they got off? Did Ben bring him back unknown to the rest of the world?
Would be technically be a "Oceanic 6" since he was not born at the time of the crash? Just thinking......
Maybe there are still 2 of the 6 left to be revealed?
One of my collegues and I were discussing this situation and the timeline at work.
Fact: Kate was on the plane with a federal marshal and was not preggers.
Fact: It would be known that Kate was not preggers and that if she was, it would have to be very early in the pregnancy as there was no evidence of it. So, she could not have given birth while on the island.
Fact: Kate would not be able to convince anyone that Aaron was her biological child.
So, here's what I'm thinking...at Kate's court case Jack said that there were eight people who survived the crash but two of them later died. My guess is that they told the world that Claire survived the crash and Aaron was born on the island but that Claire died giving birth to him and Kate took over as his mother. So far, Kate is the only female in the Oceanic 6. If Claire, Rose or Sun isn't one of the 6, then the rest of the world would believe that Kate was the only female survivor and, therefore, the logical choice to replace Claire as a mother figure.
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...or she gets all Charlie-sick and throws herself in...
LMAO!
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
One of my collegues and I were discussing this situation and the timeline at work.
Fact: Kate was on the plane with a federal marshal and was not preggers.
Fact: It would be known that Kate was not preggers and that if she was, it would have to be very early in the pregnancy as there was no evidence of it. So, she could not have given birth while on the island.
Fact: Kate would not be able to convince anyone that Aaron was her biological child.
Ah, but we don't really know how long they really were on the island. The only real evidence we have is Aaron. He looks about 2-ish. Plenty of time for Kate to get preggers and have a child if they were not rescued for maybe a year or so. That still leaves about a year back in the real world before trial. We are just assuming they got off via the ship that is currently out there. If so, that does not leave much of a story left. I'm guessing the ship will leave and the researchers get stuck on the Island. What if the person in the coffin is little asian guy who tried to blackmale Ben?
And what about the whole time difference thing displayed by the scientists experiment with the missle being launched from the ship. It lost 30 or so minutes. Convert that for the time they have been on the island and it might be much longer in "real world" time. The world might have thought they were gone for 4 or 5 years when it's really only been a few months on the island.
Dang it, there goes my head again.
Must rest,
JSE
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Remember this?
I think 3LB summed up this TV show best when he said this (and I hope he doesn't mind me taking this quote from the other thread FA started):
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Finally, a TV show that rivals Irwin Allen's TV shows for plot-as-you-go writing, implausible scenarios, and wild-assed tangents.
All that's missing are shiny aliens with mysterious powers (repleat with capes, silver make-up and those goofy helmets).
This post had me rolling in the aisle, even though there probably weren't too many other fans of the show that appreciated the humor in it. :lol:
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Awww, come on guys, I was only kidding. :ihih:
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Lol....
I remember Irwin Allen quite fondly... "Land of the Giants", "The Time Tunnel" (my fave), "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" etc... good stuff there.
I had an inkling that Arron was there with Kate. Jack did something that either got Claire killed or she's still on the Island. In thinking of it all I doubt that the guy in the coffin was part of the Oceanic 6, there would've been a hell of a lot more press coverage if he were.
Da Worfster
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Jack did something that either got Claire killed or she's still on the Island. In thinking of it all I doubt that the guy in the coffin was part of the Oceanic 6, there would've been a hell of a lot more press coverage if he were.
Da Worfster
Fine display of deductive reasoning, my Klingon friend...I have to agree with you.
Maybe Jack's all messed up over Aaron/Claire because he somehow finds out Claire is his step-sister? Which makes Aaron his step-nephew?
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