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Season Finale
WTF?!
I'm gonna need some time to digest all of that. So many questions... I don't even know where to begin. :confused5:
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
WTF?!
I'm gonna need some time to digest all of that. So many questions... I don't even know where to begin. :confused5:
so it wasn't a flashback but a flashforward? we know three of them got off the island, jack, kate, and whoever was in the coffin?
woh.
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Dayum!!!!
Well guess we didn't see THAT comin. Lost Horizon all over again. He's now tryin' to get back to Shangri La. Snort. I think they just lost a boat load of people with that one.
Da Worfster
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Warning: The following post is stream of consciousness...(too confused to form coherent paragraphs)
My money is on Sawyer being in the coffin. That would be the only reason Jack would think Kate would be there. The whole "love triangle" thingie.
That flashforward bit was a serious curve ball! As far as pulling the string, that ranks right of there with Kaiser Soze and I See Dead People. "Whoa" is an understatement! Kate is married(?), drives a Volvo, and looks hotter than ever...while Jack is an alcoholic junkie hooked on pain killers with serious suicidal tendencies. Did anyone else pick up the "Leaving Las Vegas" vibe? Drink yourself to death and all that. At least we know why all the charts and maps were strewn out all over his apartment floor.
Very nice touch how Charlie told Des that Naomi isn't who she said she was. I never really cared for his character, but the last couple of episodes actually make me sad to see him go.
Locke sees Walt. Ummm, oooookaaay. He has "work to do" (nice little smile after Walt says that btw). What the hell is that? First, he has a gunshot wound...then he's paralyzed again...and now his boo-boo is fixed and he's fine?!? How'd he find that tower in the first freakin' place?!? Granted, if an island magically fixed my gunshot wound and paralysis, I'd be hesitant to leave as well, but why keep everyone else there and what's with the "Jack, you weren't supposed to do that." (something that proves very prophetic by Jack's condition at the end of the show).
I gotta admit, this episode had me pretty pumped! Numerous times I'm yelling at the tube "Yes!" such as when Hurley came flying in on the Vdub or Des speared Cyclops (who apparently is immortal).
Man, I'm thoroughly confused now...and completely pissed we have to wait 7 months to get this show started again! :D
What a show! I'm with Kam, this show could go down as one of the best in history!
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Hurley and the VW van was classic!
Yeah, the flashforward thing totally threw us off at home too, though my wife was asking me before the end of the show about Jack's pregnant ex-wife, that she sure blimped up fast, etc...so I think she clued in a bit. Did Jack not also discuss his Dad with that other doctor in the future? What's up with that?
Well, Worfsters lust for blood should have been satisfied with the unfortunate death of one of my favorite characters. Charlie was great, he wasn't a bad guy, wasn't a good guy, but he was very real - he played the whole troubled young annoying dude to perfection! You hated him because it worked. Gonna miss him...
Nice to see the Rousseau family reunited - tell me that wasn't an "aaawwwww" moment.
For not being in the tower in 16 years, Rousseau sure knew her way around the electronics in there...hmmm.
Also, anyone else find it just a bit weird that Locke was so anti-killing a few shows ago, but now has no problems chucking a knife to the back of an unknown woman?
I love the banter between Sawyer and Juliet - "what were the rocks from the chain gain for"
"we were building a runway"
"for what"
"the aliens"...ROFLMAO.
As if that totally wasn't a playful shot at some of the fans. I heard a collective scream of "I knew it" and then a "Ooohhh" right after in my hotel.
Best show ever.
So, whaddya wanna be this "temple" is somewhere near those giant 4 toed statues?
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Originally Posted by topspeed
Locke sees Walt. Ummm, oooookaaay. He has "work to do" (nice little smile after Walt says that btw). What the hell is that? First, he has a gunshot wound...then he's paralyzed again...and now his boo-boo is fixed and he's fine?!? How'd he find that tower in the first freakin' place?!? Granted, if an island magically fixed my gunshot wound and paralysis, I'd be hesitant to leave as well, but why keep everyone else there and what's with the "Jack, you weren't supposed to do that." (something that proves very prophetic by Jack's condition at the end of the show).
quick thought before i forget it:
Locke has "flashed" like desmond has. So he's seen another version of those events where Jack did NOT answer the call and did back down and they stayed on the island. Just like Desmond DID do what he was supposed to in finally breaking Penny's heart. Isn't that the exact same line the lady in the jewelry shop said "You weren't supposed to do that." when desmond decided he would buy the ring.
Except in this case, Locke didn't "correct" the timeline, but let it play out.
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Originally Posted by Kam
quick thought before i forget it:
Locke has "flashed" like desmond has. So he's seen another version of those events where Jack did NOT answer the call and did back down and they stayed on the island. Just like Desmond DID do what he was supposed to in finally breaking Penny's heart. Isn't that the exact same line the lady in the jewelry shop said "You weren't supposed to do that." when desmond decided he would buy the ring.
Except in this case, Locke didn't "correct" the timeline, but let it play out.
This is the exact same theory my wife came up with....modified a bit to throw in Walt's involvement. Lots of people on this island getting visions of the future it seems.
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It was a GREAT episode.
The flash forward threw me for a loop as well.
Some theories:
1. Didn't anyone else catch Jack say to the Chief Resident "Go upstairs and get my DAD, if I am drunker than him, then fire me!". How the hell is dear ol' DAD alive? Jack went to Sydney to collect the body. So either the time spent on the island was in the past, or there are some weird timing issues going on.
2. Dead body, I bet it's Ben. He comes back, cancer returns, dies. It's not Sawyer, as he was popular enough to at least get someone to see him. Ben- Not so much. At this point he is hated by his tribe, and the Losties hate him as well.
3. Not sure how Desomond is going to work with the info that Charlie provided. No doubt however, that Penny is going to re-double efforts to find the island now that she knows that Desomond is alive and well.
Also, remember that Ben said that the electronics are sealed, and water won't hurt them. So I guess it would be feasible that they could start up jamming if needed.
4. I think that Locke is having premonitions like Desomond. Same as stated as above. However, I don't think that he will let things play out the way that would result in Jack living a misreable life.
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Has anyone...
...considered the possibility that the projection of keeping the show running 'til 20-whatever was a red herring, in the style of the show itself...
I understand it's ratings have been down and maybe the show ended last night, leaving us with as many questions as we have ever had while at the same time wrapping up a few loose ends...However...
The cavalry, in the form of a Hurley-driven Micro-bus, was a Saturday-afternoon-movie "Hurray!!!" moment...and yes, I'm old enough to remember those...Sayid (sic) snapping the guys' neck with his ankles was another...as was Sawyers dispatch of Tom (?) with the almost Bond-ian retort of "I didn't believe him" to Hurley's protestations...And of course Jack's bodywork on Ben was satisfying and a long time coming...Bu-u-u-t-t-t-t...
Meanwhile, back at however...the flash forward was certainly a cool device, unexpected...Now for some questions...Kate? Roaming free after being captured, taken into custody and returning to face the music on the downed flight...I don't think so...Fly-in-the-ointment time...Surely the "authorities" and the press would expose her and I don't think she would be free to have a late night rendezvous with Dr. Demento aka Jack...Whom did she have to go back to? Sawyer is the most likely? Or was Sawyer in the casket? Who was in the casket?
Nobody showed up at the funeral...which seems to have been in a predominantly black neighborhood...Hurley had people (besides it wasn't a double-wide)...Locke? After all, he pretty much murdered parachute woman and I'm sure that would have to come out somewhere along the line... Did his spate of good health end upon leaving the island? Did he leave the island? He was pretty much alone and may have been thought as a pariah by some of the losties...Desmond? well, he still seemed to have ties to Penny...Walt?
And what's with the polar bears and the black fog? What became of the stolen kids? The others? Just inconvenient artifacts? And if Charlie had the time to write a message on his hand, he certainly had the opportunity to take a big gulp of air, escape through the blasted porthole and swim to the surface, doncha' think? Or at least gotten on the other side of the water-tight hatch, donned some scuba gear and left the station with Desmond...All a bit sloppy IMO...
If it ain't over, will we find out it was someones dream? Or were we guests at one of Desmond's precognitive visions?
jimHJJ(...and if it is actually over, I guess it was as good a way as any to have done so...)
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... And if Charlie had the time to write a message on his hand, he certainly had the opportunity to take a big gulp of air, escape through the blasted porthole and swim to the surface, doncha' think? Or at least gotten on the other side of the water-tight hatch, donned some scuba gear and left the station with Desmond...All a bit sloppy IMO...
I had the exact same thoughts as I was watching last night. I just didn't buy the Charlie had to drown bit.
I have so many theories running through my head. I need to sort them out. But one of my collegues asked a very good question this morning that got me thinking (even more). She asked...
What happened on the island that Jack feels such a deep desire to go back to it? What went wrong that he needs to fix?
I need to chew on that for a while...
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I think the Charlie not escaping bit is simply explained by the fact that Desmonds (unclear) vision just planted it into Charlie's head that he had to sacrifice himself for Claire and all the Losties to escape. He probably just thought in a second of panic that he had to do it, forget that he could have possibly got out.
Groundbeef: That's EXACTLY what I was referring to in post 580 - I thought maybe I remembered wrong - but maybe Jack's just losing his mind and forgot his Dad was dead? Or maybe bearded Jack in the Hospital was pre-Island, and the end scene w/ Kate was post-island?
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
I had the exact same thoughts as I was watching last night. I just didn't buy the Charlie had to drown bit.
Charlie's not dead! It was too easy. The last time we saw him he was meeting his end floating next to that open porthole. I think Desmond will somehow, swim around and get him. He's got scuba gear. He'll pull him up to the boat, do the CPR thing and whamo.............Worf has another season of aggravation.
My wife and I both picked up on the Flashforward thing right away. For some reason, the beard gave it away. Like you guys, the talking about his dad being upstairs did not make sense to me. The only explanation is the whole "Time Warp" issue. Did Jack and Kate reverse time somehow? Is that what they did wrong? Did going back in time or reversing time "correct" some things in the past? That would explain why Jack's dad is alive. He had to bring him back to "fix" him. That would explain why Kate is free. I bet it's either Lock or Sawyer in the pine box. They are the two people no one would show up for. Either way, Jack and Kate are the only ones who remember the Island in the flashforward. Jack "fixed" it for everyone some how. It (the island/crash) never happened for everyone else once Jack and Kate changed the past somehow? Remember when the funeral home director asked if Jack was Family or Friend? He said neither. In the new present Jack and Kate created, Locke or Sawyer never new Jack. Now that things have spiraled out of control for Jack, he wants to go back to the Island to "fix" everything again. He's a wreck, Somebody is dead and he lost Kate. He needs to go back. I can see the show maybe taking two tracks/storylines now. One of Jack and maybe Kate going back to the Island in the future and the original story line. Two dimensions of stories being told at the same time. You think we are confused now?
Wow, this stuff is making my head hurt. I actually lost sleep last night thinking about the show. Granted all of the above is a result of lack of sleep, infomation overload and large amounts of morning caffeine but I bet some of it's true.
One thing I would bet the farm on, Charlie is not dead or at least not for long. Desmond will save him again.
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jse - woh! now there's a theory and a half!
i've been trying to figure out the "go get my father from upstairs and if i'm more drunk than he is..." exchange into the time. so... in my ramblings of lists...
1. we are post-crash and jack is just out of it and doesn't remember his dad is dead, its just a slip in his own memory/ series of events.
2. we are post-crash, they have been rescued, and jack's dad was found alive on the island and brought back, and they both jump back into the hospital biz again.
3. we are pre-crash and jack/kate have 'flash jumped' into themselves in the past, but with the knowledge of the island and have prevented it all from happening. or at least Jack stopped his dad from going to australia.
4. we saw both flash backs and flash forwards in all of the 'jack-has-a-beard' sequence of events.
eh... i don't really like any of those... gotta be a better one out there....
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3. we are pre-crash and jack/kate have 'flash jumped' into themselves in the past, but with the knowledge of the island and have prevented it all from happening. or at least Jack stopped his dad from going to australia.
I thought about that one as well around 3am last night but....
Remember when Jack and Kate were talking at the Airport? Jack mentioned their "Gold Passes". Sounds like the airline gave them lifetime free passes on travel. So, it appears the crash did happen and they were rescued or at least got off the island somehow.
Edit: Of course that kindof blows a hole in my theory as well. Maybe.
Re Edit: Not if Jack and Kate were the only survivors? Doh! My head is hurting again.
Now that I think about it, I doubt it's Locke in the coffin. I doubt he would ever leave the Island for any reason. When this thing is all over and done with, I'm betting Locke will be dead or he stays on the island. He's "the man" on is the island in his mind.
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I thought about that one as well around 3am last night but....
Remember when Jack and Kate were talking at the Airport? Jack mentioned their "Gold Passes". Sounds like the airline gave them lifetime free passes on travel. So, it appears the crash did happen and they were rescued or at least got off the island somehow.
Edit: Of course that kindof blows a hole in my theory as well. Maybe.
Re Edit: Not if Jack and Kate were the only survivors? Doh! My head is hurting again.
Now that I think about it, I doubt it's Locke in the coffin. I doubt he would ever leave the Island for any reason. When this thing is all over and done with, I'm betting Locke will be dead or he stays on the island. He's "the man" on is the island in his mind.
ahhhhh that's right. so it has to be post-crash.....
so then the reconciliation has to be how is it post-crash, yet jack's dad is alive?
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This has to be some kind of space/time continuum thing. I don't think Des', Locke's, or anyone else's visions are flashes of the future. Rather, they are repressed memories of the past. These guys have been here before, were rescued (or whatever), and are now living it out all over again. It's like deja vu all over again!
Where's my flux capacitor?!?
As for Christian being alive, I've got nothing.
It has to be Sawyer in the casket. Locke would never leave the island. Hell, on the island he's immortal like Mikhial! Shoot him, drop him from a skyscraper...the Lockester just keeps on comin'! Besides, Locke's girlfriend (Peggy from Married with Children) would have shown up at his funeral. No, only Sawyer was enough of a loner to die alone.
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Interesting thread and thoughts...
Yeah I got some theories...
1. Walt's in the Casket, or Locke, certainly NOT Hurley (not wide enough). But my money's on Sawyer. When he lost his reason for living, his Daddy he became the "baddass" he always pretended to be. Naw, it's Sawyer in the casket, buried on the wrong side of town.
2. They changed the time line with their getting off the Island. The rich and the powerful have been searching for that Island because it's "soul" or whatever it is represented by Cerebus or what's his name has the power to heal and prolong life.. the veritable "fountain of youth" which Dharma and other's would pay anything to get their hands on and exploit. This is what Ben had given his life to protect the Island from explotation, ruination and death of it's special proerties.
3. Charlie's not dead, they'll bring him back in some sick way. God I hate this show, God I love this show. Who the hell is stupid enough to marry Freckles? Someone with a death wish.
Da Worfster
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Originally Posted by topspeed
This has to be some kind of space/time continuum thing. I don't think Des', Locke's, or anyone else's visions are flashes of the future. Rather, they are repressed memories of the past. These guys have been here before, were rescued (or whatever), and are now living it out all over again. It's like deja vu all over again!
Where's my flux capacitor?!?
As for Christian being alive, I've got nothing.
It has to be Sawyer in the casket. Locke would never leave the island. Hell, on the island he's immortal like Mikhial! Shoot him, drop him from a skyscraper...the Lockester just keeps on comin'! Besides, Locke's girlfriend (Peggy from Married with Children) would have shown up at his funeral. No, only Sawyer was enough of a loner to die alone.
but i think the flashes are more than that, if they are similar to how they showed it in the desmond-centric episode. desmond 'jumped' into his body pre-crash, but with the same knowledge he had about everything that had transpired... (who won the soccer game, the guy coming in to hit the bartender, etc). so with that knowledge, he could have changed the future and stayed with Penny. But he knew if he did, then he wouldnt be there to push the button and 'save the world'. so he HAD to keep on the same course that he originally went on, even though he had a choice to do so or not.
the dharma (or whoever) plants that are out in the world, are there to make sure these "jumpers" stay the course in the real world. i don't think those people are ever aware of the multiple timelines, they are just told, Desmond will come into your shop many times, and each time he will put the ring down and walk away. IF he does not, this is what you tell him. and if you don't convince him, the world would end.
but it gets tricky when desmond starts 'jumping' while on the island (ala all the charlie death sequences he's been preventing).
now i think locke is also 'jumping' because he too was a part of the hatch when it imploded/exploded/deploded/whateverploded.
SIDE NOTE: who's eye will be focussed on opening in season 4?
season 1 - jack's eye
season 2 - desmond's eye
season 3 - locke's eye (right?)
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SIDE NOTE: who's eye will be focussed on opening in season 4?
season 1 - jack's eye
season 2 - desmond's eye
season 3 - locke's eye (right?)
I'm putting my money on Ben, Desmond, and possibly Charlie for the eye thing.
Ben because he's all beat up and could conceivably be lying down staring at the sky...Desmond and Charlie likewise, if Charlie's still alive. I don't think he is though, but who knows with this show.
Still wanna know where Michael and Walt are. At this pace Walt will have a beard next time we see him.
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Wouldn't it be a hoot if Mikhail was the eye opener? Hehehe.
Why do we think that Kate is married? She mentioned that "he" will wonder where I am. But do we know for sure that she's married? Did I miss something or are you guys just making an assumption?
I think that it was Jacob, in Walt's form, who saved Locke. After Ben shot Locke and Locke told him that Jacob said "help me", Ben made a comment along the lines of, "let's see if Jacob helps you".
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AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
I couldn't resist this week! I never get to see Lost until Thursday nights, so I normally avoid this thread. But I couldn't help myself today. It sounds like this was the episode to end all episodes. Can't wait to see it tonight.
Kam,
Very sorry to read about your loses. Please accept my best wishes for you and you loved ones.
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it could be, like season 2, a character that we havent even met yet.
or... maybe Michael's eye opening while he's adrift at sea? and walt isn't on the boat with him. so he tries to go back to the island to find his son.
GM, FA, Worfster, and others - thank you very much for the kind wishes. it does help immensely to have support from all over.
another side note: it's wonderfully strange and beautiful to me, how a bunch of strangers can really create a 'community' environment on an internet message board. :)
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another side note: it's wonderfully strange and beautiful to me, how a bunch of strangers can really create a 'community' environment on an internet message board. :)
I agree. I think that at some point someone needs to organize an AudioReview convention. Worf can wear his Klingon suit.
BTW, I also caught that Jack's cell phone looked too new to be 2004 but put it down to a production error and forgot about it. Looking back, it should have been a clue.
What's the deal with the Golden Passes for the airline. According to Oceanic's web site, they're still out of business. Did Lost give up on the multi-media frenzy of S1 and S2?
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BTW, I also caught that Jack's cell phone looked too new to be 2004 but put it down to a production error and forgot about it. Looking back, it should have been a clue.
speaking of phones, what about Naomi's high tech ginormous monstrosity. is that typical of a sattelite phone to look like that, or is that another clue that not everyone is even from the same timeline? could naomi's ship be from 2020?
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BW, I also caught that Jack's cell phone looked too new to be 2004 but put it down to a production error and forgot about it. Looking back, it should have been a clue.
Yep, it looked to be a MOTO Krazar, and that is SO 2006. Well after they went down. That was the one thing that nagged me everytime they had a "flashback". After I realized it was a "flashforward" it made much more sense.
And why does everyone assume that no one would come see Sawyer if he died? Say what you will about him, but he DID have some interest in the Losties. He did more than his share to carry the load of protection for the Losties, and did return to camp to see if he could help out Jin, Sayied and the old dude.
I stand by that it was Ben. Just because I can see Jack keeping him alive after the rescue because he didn't actually kill Jin, Sayied,and the old dude. What better revenge than to have him die from cancer off the island.
It sorta makes sense as the others have grown increasingly weary of his iron fist rule, and probably wouldn't make a fuss if he left.
As far as Charlie, I think he is dead-dead. We may see him later, aka Walt, Jacks Dad, or Ben's Mom style, but he is dead. Its too bad, I thought he was pretty good.
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