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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Because you "need to go back"? Because we all need to go back?
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pffft... and *I* get ripped on for my Numbers running.... :p
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great gem: "Weirdest damn funeral I've ever been to."
ok, so i got serious chills with: "No James, that's why you're here... that's why you're all here."
The NUMBERS!!! :D
4 - locke
8 - hugo
15 - sawyer
16 - jarrah
23 - shepard
42 - kwon
And crossed out:
(175 - costa?)
(119-?)
(272 - kali?)
(313 - little...?)
(20- rolle?)
(316 - grant)
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Originally Posted by Kam
The NUMBERS!!! :D
4 - locke
8 - hugo
15 - sawyer
16 - jarrah
23 - shepard
42 - kwon
Where's Austin??? What about Kate?
My favourite line was when Locke was talking to the kid and said, "Don't tell me what I can't do". LOL.
It was an interesting episode.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Where's Austin??? What about Kate?
My favourite line was when Locke was talking to the kid and said, "Don't tell me what I can't do". LOL.
It was an interesting episode.
yep, didn't jacob go visit kate as well when she was a little girl?
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He did. She stole a lunchbox and he paid for it on the condition that she wouldn't steal anymore.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
He did. She stole a lunchbox and he paid for it on the condition that she wouldn't steal anymore.
such a sweet guy. wonder if he's really the good guy....
edit: and wonder if the kid is now jacob reborn....
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If last week's episode was a bit sub-par, this one was sure made up for it.
Loved the bit about the rocks on the scale - very reminiscent of Locke with the backgammon pieces early in season 1.
Wonder what the significance of the kid telling evil Locke that he couldn't kill Jacob was? Maybe loophole's violate the spirit of the island rules and evil Locke is in trouble?
With the fair hair I think we're meant to think the kid is lil' Jacob.
"Jacob had a thing for numbers" lol.
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Originally Posted by Kam
such a sweet guy. wonder if he's really the good guy....
edit: and wonder if the kid is now jacob reborn....
I thought it was interesting that it appeared that Richard couldn't see the kid. Although IIRC he had his back to him and the kid was gone when Rich turned around. So maybe he could have seen him if he stuck around, but it left me with the impression that only UnLocke could see him.
But then Sawyer saw the kid. And UnLocke seemed very surprised by that. :shocked:
I loved the scene in the cave where UnLocke tosses the white rock into the ocean and says simply, "inside joke". LOL.
After all the years we've spent trying to figure out the numbers wouldn't it be funny if they mean nothing more than "Jacob had a thing for numbers"? The joke is on us my friends.
So is the serial number on the hatch door the number for that particular go around? If the numbers were 3 - Autumn, 7 - Kam, 12 - Kex, and WE were on the island then would the numbers on the hatch door have been 3 7 12 etc? Does this just happen over and over and over again with different people until the MIB finds his loophole.
As I typed that last paragraph it occured to me that would make sense. If you think about how many times Desmond saved Charlie's life only to realized that he can't, it makes total sense that they are in a loop...and looking for the loophole. Following that same train of thought...Faraday's mommy told Desmond that the Island isn't done with him. So maybe UnLocke hasn't found the loophole after all.
OMFG! Sometimes I blow my own mind!
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
I thought it was interesting that it appeared that Richard couldn't see the kid. Although IIRC he had his back to him and the kid was gone when Rich turned around. So maybe he could have seen him if he stuck around, but it left me with the impression that only UnLocke could see him.
But then Sawyer saw the kid. And UnLocke seemed very surprised by that. :shocked:
I loved the scene in the cave where UnLocke tosses the white rock into the ocean and says simply, "inside joke". LOL.
After all the years we've spent trying to figure out the numbers wouldn't it be funny if they mean nothing more than "Jacob had a thing for numbers"? The joke is on us my friends.
So is the serial number on the hatch door the number for that particular go around? If the numbers were 3 - Autumn, 7 - Kam, 12 - Kex, and WE were on the island then would the numbers on the hatch door have been 3 7 12 etc? Does this just happen over and over and over again with different people until the MIB finds his loophole.
As I typed that last paragraph it occured to me that would make sense. If you think about how many times Desmond saved Charlie's life only to realized that he can't, it makes total sense that they are in a loop...and looking for the loophole. Following that same train of thought...Faraday's mommy told Desmond that the Island isn't done with him. So maybe UnLocke hasn't found the loophole after all.
OMFG! Sometimes I blow my own mind!
i thought that too about the Kid vs. Richard/Sawyer. Either it is that the Kid just ran away before Richard saw him OR... Sawyer could see him because he's one of the "Candidates" so could see what others couldn't.
And remember when they went to the Watching Hatch and saw those long pages of numbers which were another set of numbers. That could fit in with your idea of the Island/Jacob resetting after bringing a different set of people to the Island to find that right 'Candidate.'
I wonder if Eko's name is crossed out on that ceiling, or if Ben's name is even on there, or Desmond, if Desmond is one of those 'Other Numbers'...
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found this one the e! lost reviews....
What if #23 shephard isn't Jack, but Aaron. Since he is technically a shephard, not "littleton" which was claires last name, and which was already crossed out as 313! :D
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Originally Posted by Kam
found this one the e! lost reviews....
What if #23 shephard isn't Jack, but Aaron. Since he is technically a shephard, not "littleton" which was claires last name, and which was already crossed out as 313! :D
No. Aaron wouldn't go by Sheppard. Assuming that Clair kept him, she would give him her name. She didn't want anything to do with Christian, so why would she give Aaron his name?
Nope. I ain't buying that one.
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No. Aaron wouldn't go by Sheppard. Assuming that Clair kept him, she would give him her name. She didn't want anything to do with Christian, so why would she give Aaron his name?
Nope. I ain't buying that one.
oh i know, definately claire would be very anti-christian/sheppard, but maybe the Island could think of the 'sheppard line' that isn't up to claire?
i still think it's jack too, though, when Smokey showed Sawyer that name, i didn't think he indicated any that it was another sheppard (kinda like the obi wan-yoda exchange of 'there is another' in empire).
i think that episode back in season 1 where that psychic said horrible things would happen if her baby is raised by anyone other than claire. hopefully that won't just be a red herring among many red herrings, but a key to it all.
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Originally Posted by Kam
oh i know, definately claire would be very anti-christian/sheppard, but maybe the Island could think of the 'sheppard line' that isn't up to claire?
i still think it's jack too, though, when Smokey showed Sawyer that name, i didn't think he indicated any that it was another sheppard (kinda like the obi wan-yoda exchange of 'there is another' in empire).
By that logic, Claire is a Shephard too.
UnLocke made a point of saying that he did't know whether Kwan referred to Sun or Jin. By not commenting about Shephard, I think that even UnLocke thinks that Shephard is Jack.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
By that logic, Claire is a Shephard too.
UnLocke made a point of saying that he did't know whether Kwan referred to Sun or Jin. By not commenting about Shephard, I think that even UnLocke thinks that Shephard is Jack.
yeah true, but littleton was crossed off the list.
and oooo! just had a thought, didn't un-christian take aaron from claire? could the little kid we saw be aaron grown up and not a jacob re-incarnation?
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yeah true, but littleton was crossed off the list.
Exactly. If Claire's not a Shephard then I don't buy Aaron being a Shephard. Maybe I'll have to eat my words...but I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by Kam
and oooo! just had a thought, didn't un-christian take aaron from claire? could the little kid we saw be aaron grown up and not a jacob re-incarnation?
That's a good thought. I like it.
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"Is leaving an option?"
"Turns up wherever he wants, like Obi Wan Kenobi."
I liked the episode, but it feels like they are still taking their time getting to the end. Feels like there a LOT of stuff to get through and each episode that goes even a little slow almost is a waste. maybe it's just because of a buildup of a ridiculous amount of questions that any answers can't come fast enough.
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"Is leaving an option?"
"Turns up wherever he wants, like Obi Wan Kenobi."
I liked the episode, but it feels like they are still taking their time getting to the end. Feels like there a LOT of stuff to get through and each episode that goes even a little slow almost is a waste. maybe it's just because of a buildup of a ridiculous amount of questions that any answers can't come fast enough.
I agree that it was another slow episode. But not a bad one. Its just a slower burn to the end than I was expecting. The Lighthouse (the building, not the episode) was a total disappointment to me. My first thought was, "how could they have never seen that before?" So when Jack actually asked the question, it felt forced. Like the writers thought "let's put in a lighthouse, but we'll have to explain why it's never been seen before". :rolleyes: Then the lighthouse itself was a disappointment. I wanted to learn something from it. But it was all just to get Jack to stare at the ocean and be introspective. Booooooooring. I want to know whose name was at 108 degrees dammit!
BTW...108, LOL. :thumbsup:
An inconsistency that bothered me was that it appeared that the directions that Jacob gave Hurley had to do with the Temple and finding heiroglyphics and hidden doors and he had to do it with Jack. But then when he got Jack to join him, they went off in a totally different direction, off into the jungle. That didn't make sense to me.
I liked Jin's realization that Claire is not the sweet little girl that he once knew. I see a nice big cage fight between Claire and Kate coming our way. Which one will survive? My guess is Kate.
Oh, and Jack's reason for returning to the island..."I was broken and I thought it could fix me". Blech! I am really getting sick of his sappy character. For some reason, he did look unusually hot last night though. :)
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An inconsistency that bothered me was that it appeared that the directions that Jacob gave Hurley had to do with the Temple and finding heiroglyphics and hidden doors and he had to do it with Jack. But then when he got Jack to join him, they went off in a totally different direction, off into the jungle. That didn't make sense to me.
I think Hurley was finding the hidden passage out of the temple they referred to a few times times...Hurley and Jack just left the temple that way.
At first I wasn't interested in the alternate timeline Losties..but now that Jack's got a kid, I'm really curious to see where it all goes now.
As for the lighthouse..the Island is pretty huge and the lighthouse wasn't that big...I can't see a water tower that's just a few minutes away from me, so I had no problem with that.
Except it hasn't turned out to be anything except maybe a way for Jacob to watch/travel places.
Still waiting for Desmond to pop-up...And that Whidmore dude...
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read on cnn that a freeze frame shows 108 as "Wallace"
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Originally Posted by Kam
read on cnn that a freeze frame shows 108 as "Wallace"
Kam, I think that you'll find this link interesting, http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2010/...thous.php#more.
You can clearly see that Sheppard and Jarrah are written in darker pen than the rest, including Ford (#15) and Austen! Austen is #51 and is not crossed out. 51?
108 is Wallace...and is also crossed out.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Kam, I think that you'll find this link interesting, http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2010/...thous.php#more.
You can clearly see that Sheppard and Jarrah are written in darker pen than the rest, including Ford (#15) and Austen! Austen is #51 and is not crossed out. 51?
108 is Wallace...and is also crossed out.
so does that mean there are only 360 "candidates" in the world? looks like everyone has pretty much been crossed out as a candidate and these are the last of the last.
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
Kam, I think that you'll find this link interesting, http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2010/...thous.php#more.
You can clearly see that Sheppard and Jarrah are written in darker pen than the rest, including Ford (#15) and Austen! Austen is #51 and is not crossed out. 51?
108 is Wallace...and is also crossed out.
Ooh...neat find! :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Kam
so does that mean there are only 360 "candidates" in the world? looks like everyone has pretty much been crossed out as a candidate and these are the last of the last.
I thought that it looked like Sheppard might have been written over something else. That would explain why it was darker than the others. Maybe Jack and Sayid's numbers are being reused.
It would be pretty unfortunate if Jacob had to go through every single possible combination of numbers before finding his candidate in the last combination. How frustrating. :)
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
I thought that it looked like Sheppard might have been written over something else.
that'd be a pretty funny scene. with jacob up in the lighthouse scribbling over peoples' names once he found out the names of the people on the island.
"yeah... sheppard, that's what i meant to write..."
I wonder if the lighthouse is where the "list" came from in the first season of the people/kids the Others took away, they were all 'candidates' that had to be checked and crossed off?
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My boyfriend Sayid is coming to Toronto!!!
I'll need a new dress to wear when I pick him up from the airport. :D
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
My boyfriend Sayid is coming to Toronto!!!
I'll need a new dress to wear when I pick him up from the airport. :D
Did you dump Sawyer again?
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
My boyfriend Sayid is coming to Toronto!!!
I'll need a new dress to wear when I pick him up from the airport. :D
i think he might be side tracked by that whole 'trying-to-prove-he's-a-good-person-by-killing-people' thing he's got going on.
so it's shaping up to be an us vs. them, good vs. evil, light vs. dark showdown... just... who's on which side of what?
(edit: Almost seems too easy that Un-Locke is the bad/evil/dark one.)
i wonder if ben is gonna make it out of the whole thing being the good guy.
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Did you dump Sawyer again?
No. Shhhhhh. Don't tell.
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so it's shaping up to be an us vs. them, good vs. evil, light vs. dark showdown... just... who's on which side of what?
(edit: Almost seems too easy that Un-Locke is the bad/evil/dark one.)
i wonder if ben is gonna make it out of the whole thing being the good guy.
I agree with all of that. This is Lost, so there has to be a twist. Nothing is obvious. Assume that whatever you think is correct is actually dead wrong. Then assume that whatever you think is dead wrong is also dead wrong. :shocked:
Questions:
1. Where is Sawyer while UnLocke is out and about smokin' out the temple people? I don't see Sawyer just chillin' in the cave and doing nothing while UnLocke is out galavanting.
2. If it was Dogan who was protecting the temple and keeping Smokey out, what was the point of surrounding the temple with ash when they found out that Jacob was dead?
3. Why didn't the magic pool save Dogan?
4. Is Sayid really evil, or was he just killing Dogan before Dogan had a chance to try and kill Sayid again? (my money is on the latter...self preservation).
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No. Shhhhhh. Don't tell.
I agree with all of that. This is Lost, so there has to be a twist. Nothing is obvious. Assume that whatever you think is correct is actually dead wrong. Then assume that whatever you think is dead wrong is also dead wrong. :shocked:
Questions:
1. Where is Sawyer while UnLocke is out and about smokin' out the temple people? I don't see Sawyer just chillin' in the cave and doing nothing while UnLocke is out galavanting.
2. If it was Dogan who was protecting the temple and keeping Smokey out, what was the point of surrounding the temple with ash when they found out that Jacob was dead?
3. Why didn't the magic pool save Dogan?
4. Is Sayid really evil, or was he just killing Dogan before Dogan had a chance to try and kill Sayid again? (my money is on the latter...self preservation).
it's really well crafted that in every instance (that i can think of) where Sayid kills someone, there is a morally arguable/justifiable reason for it. It seems that his character is doomed to find himself constantly being chased by the history he created by being an interrogator. Where before he did horrible acts for the wrong reasons, and wishes to escpae from that past, now he must do horrible acts for the 'right' reasons. That's just a great character arc, imo.
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Cheese Curds!
lmao! :biggrin5:
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Cheese Curds!
lmao! :biggrin5:
that cracked me up too.
i liked the episode, not a lot of answers, which was irritating, but great story to "Dr. Linus."
and interesting how things are being reflected back in LA.
the one tidbit that did come out is there still is the dharma initiative and they did go there, just came back. so then when did that explosion happen? weren't they back in the 1970s when they detonated the bomb? wasn't ben still on the island? and his father shot and all that?
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Great episode filled with lots of little subleties. I loved Ben teaching his class about Napolean and losing his power. No parallel there. No siree. :)
According to Richard, the people that Jacob touches can't kill themselves.
So when Locke tried to hang himself...it wouldn't have worked anyhow. The only way that he could die is to be killed. Which Ben took care of. So, my question is...did Ben know that Locke couldn't kill himself? Ben gained Locke's trust by talking him down from the rafter. But was it all a ploy by Ben because he knew that Locke couldn't die that way? So Ben talks him down, gains his trust, gets information, and then kills him anyway?
Hmmmmmmm.
Interesting that Ben chose to follow Ilana rather than UnLocke. He looked like a little puppy following her back to the beach.
It's been interesting to watch Ben's character over the years. Starting as Henry Gale/Benry, observing the Losties and manipulating Locke. Then as the leader of the Others, full of confidence and self-rightousness (we're the good guys). To the fallen man that he is today. Just a lost puppy looking for acceptance wherever he can get it.
My money is on him shaking himself off and regaining his former power to become our hero in the finale. I don't think that Lost is about Charles Widmore, or the Island, or the Losties, or a monster made of smoke. I think that Lost is about Ben Linus.
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So we are led to believe now that Richard came from the Black Rock. That's why he had a rope belt and clam-diggers when Ben met him as a kid!!!
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
I think that Lost is about Ben Linus.
wouldn't it just be a kicker if the whole thing ended up being about paolo and nicky?
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So we are led to believe now that Richard came from the Black Rock. That's why he had a rope belt and clam-diggers when Ben met him as a kid!!!
I thought that a few weeks ago. When UnLocke meets up with Richard right after Ben killed Jacob, he said to Richard "it's good to see you out of your chains". To which Richard replied a very surprised and frightened, "You...".
The reference to chains made me think that Richard had come from the Black Rock.
As I'm now typing this another thought has entered my head (run away, run away). In last night's episode Richard told Jack and Hurley that he had devoted his life to Jacob and that it was now all for nothing. Maybe the "chains" that UnLocke was referring to was actually the tie that Richard had to Jacob. Now that Jacob is dead, Richard is free.
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wouldn't it just be a kicker if the whole thing ended up being about paolo and nicky?
LMAO! I don't know if I'd laugh or toss my TV out the window. :shocked:
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
I thought that a few weeks ago. When UnLocke meets up with Richard right after Ben killed Jacob, he said to Richard "it's good to see you out of your chains". To which Richard replied a very surprised and frightened, "You...".
The reference to chains made me think that Richard had come from the Black Rock.
As I'm now typing this another thought has entered my head (run away, run away). In last night's episode Richard told Jack and Hurley that he had devoted his life to Jacob and that it was now all for nothing. Maybe the "chains" that UnLocke was referring to was actually the tie that Richard had to Jacob. Now that Jacob is dead, Richard is free.
could be both, symbolic and literal. when richard was in the black rock, he did go over to the spot against the wall that had chains. maybe richard was a criminal being carted off somewhere, and jacob/the island gave him his second chance to redeem himself for whatever crimes he committed.
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oooo FA musta been happy!
you're badboy conman is now a badboy cop on the 'real world'!
i liked it!
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Yeah. I liked it too! Sawyer is the hottest cop EVER!
And Charlotte cleans up real nice! I didn't think that she was so pretty on the island, but what a knockout she was in tonight episode!
Here's my first question of the night...I had it about three minutes into the show. If Sawyer is a cop, why didn't he turn Kate in when they were at the airport, in the elevator, and he saw her handcuffs?
Not to jump ahead...but next week's show is about Richard. I've been waiting years for his story. I think it's the most anticipated episode ever for me!
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Not to jump ahead...but next week's show is about Richard. I've been waiting years for his story. I think it's the most anticipated episode ever for me!
Me too...that's a weird side-story begging to be told...
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