• 03-26-2011, 06:33 AM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dual-500
    Mic's are chosen for the sound by many, many engineers. No, not every engineer - but most I know do.

    Not to mention mic preamps.

    Many prefer tube pre's over solid state, and Chandler even sells a mic pre using old germanium transistors.

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  • 03-26-2011, 06:47 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dual-500
    Cmon T. Mic choice and placement mic'ing up a drum kit are what make the sound. The engineer chooses the mics and placement most of the time - sometimes the artist will have a preference - most don't.

    Microphones capture sound, they don't make it. Mike placement is about capturing the best sound, not creating a sound signature.

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    Just the balance, is just the balance. "Just the balance"? That is the engineer. Pure and simple.
    Balancing is just making sure all of the instruments are heard equally. There is no sound signature in balancing an ensemble. There is no personalization in balancing an ensemble...plain and simple.

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    Mic's are chosen for the sound by many, many engineers. No, not every engineer - but most I know do.
    Only in the pop and rock world are mikes chosen for their sound signature. For more acoustical situations, mikes are chosen for their neutrality, not their sound signature. You know audio engineers, I am one and have been for 25 years.

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    What are you suggesting here? Take each individual instrument into an anechoic chamber and record them there?
    I don't believe I said that anywhere, where did you read that? How could you even interpret what I wrote into this?

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    There are too many variables to list in the making of a music recording.
    The amount of variables depends on the complexity of the what you are recording. Some recordings are a simple as two microphones going through a pre-amp and straight to hard drive, no board, no processing. Others can involve 85 microphones mixed to 5.1 or 7.1 with a wide variety of processing.
  • 03-26-2011, 07:02 AM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Only in the pop and rock world are mikes chosen for their sound signature. For more acoustical situations, mikes are chosen for their neutrality, not their sound signature.

    You know, I can't say I can recall ever seeing any classical music recordings made using laboratory grade Bruel & Kjaer microphones.

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  • 03-26-2011, 07:08 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    You know, I can't say I can recall ever seeing any classical music recordings made using laboratory grade Bruel & Kjaer microphones.

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    Ever heard of DPA microphones? How about the Pearl’s CC 22. I could name more....;)
  • 03-26-2011, 07:28 AM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Ever heard of DPA microphones? How about the Pearl’s CC 22. I could name more....;)

    Yes.

    So tell me, how exactly are they gauged for their "neutrality"?

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  • 03-26-2011, 07:31 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    Yes.

    So tell me, how exactly are they gauged for their "neutrality"?

    se

    They don't color what they are picking up. They have no sound signature in and of themselves.
  • 03-26-2011, 07:40 AM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    They don't color what they are picking up. They have no sound signature in and of themselves.

    And how exactly is that ascertained?

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  • 03-26-2011, 09:29 AM
    Mr Peabody
    Steve, dare you say recording engineers use tube gear, seems I remember a strong stance to the contrary made by some one involved in this thread on another thread.
  • 03-26-2011, 10:36 AM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
    Steve, dare you say recording engineers use tube gear, seems I remember a strong stance to the contrary made by some one involved in this thread on another thread.

    It's twoo! It's twoo!

    http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazin...eline_kahn.jpg

    :D

    se
  • 03-29-2011, 07:54 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    And how exactly is that ascertained?

    se

    By using those two wonderful things just outside our brains.
  • 03-29-2011, 08:13 AM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    By using those two wonderful things just outside our brains.

    Really?

    How exactly do you go about plugging a microphone into those?

    se
  • 04-01-2011, 07:09 AM
    E-Stat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Smokey
    Transparency is the main goal and you can't have that without cable having good numbers :)

    So what are "good numbers" from your point of view?

    rw
  • 04-01-2011, 07:14 AM
    E-Stat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    Really?

    How exactly do you go about plugging a microphone into those?

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    Looky who just joined our community here! Welcome, Steve. It was this very topic that brought me here years ago. I was simply amazed how much ink was spilled by those who believe cabling makes no audible difference.

    BTW, I gave Atomic Adam the SE-1 Attenuator a while back so he could experiment with it. The SE-2 soldiers on just great in the main system. :)

    rw
  • 04-01-2011, 08:14 AM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by E-Stat
    Looky who just joined our community here! Welcome, Steve.

    Hey Ralph!

    Just joined? Take a look at my join date. Guess that makes you the young whipper snapper here. :D

    Actually, I think I joined here before that, but used a moniker (Koyaan I think). Because I'm pretty sure I was registered here before I registered at the Asylum in 2000.

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    It was this very topic that brought me here years ago. I was simply amazed how much ink was spilled by those who believe cabling makes no audible difference.
    Plenty of ink spilled by both sides when you get right down to it. And given that in all these years, no one has yet established actual audible differences, you can't really blame them, can you?

    Though that's no excuse for the militancy, mockery and deriding used by people like mtrycrafts and the like. That sort of thing I don't approve of.

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    BTW, I gave Atomic Adam the SE-1 Attenuator a while back so he could experiment with it.
    That was nice of you!

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    The SE-2 soldiers on just great in the main system. :)
    But I'm not a soldier. I'm a *ahem* passivist. :D

    se
  • 04-01-2011, 11:59 AM
    E-Stat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    Just joined? Take a look at my join date. Guess that makes you the young whipper snapper here. :D

    Yabbut, when was the last time you joined the fray?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    Plenty of ink spilled by both sides when you get right down to it.

    While that's true, I often wonder why folks who don't care expend so much energy to inform the rest of us out here why it is they don't care. I don't find enough hours in any day. Call me crazy but if I expended the effort to comment on all the topics in which I don't give a crap, I wouldn't be gainfully employed or enjoy much sleep.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    And given that in all these years, no one has yet established actual audible differences, you can't really blame them, can you?

    As a fellow hedonist in that regard, I would reserve judgement until I have some direct exposure to the question at hand.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    Though that's no excuse for the militancy, mockery and deriding used by people like mtrycrafts and the like.

    You know, I really miss him along with guys like Woodman, Zapped by Coffee,and Soundmind. I enjoyed many a dialog with those guys.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    But I'm not a soldier. I'm a *ahem* passivist.

    LOL!

    rw
  • 04-01-2011, 12:43 PM
    Steve Eddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by E-Stat
    Yabbut, when was the last time you joined the fray?

    Yes, well, THAT'S been quite a while. :)

    Quote:

    While that's true, I often wonder why folks who don't care expend so much energy to inform the rest of us out here why it is they don't care.
    Savior complex I suppose.

    Of course there's plenty of that on both sides.

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    I don't find enough hours in any day. Call me crazy but if I expended the effort to comment on all the topics in which I don't give a crap, I wouldn't be gainfully employed or enjoy much sleep.
    Employment and sleep are highly overrated. :D

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    As a fellow hedonist in that regard, I would reserve judgement until I has some direct exposure to the question at hand.
    Yup. Works for me.

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    You know, I really miss him along with guys like Woodman, Zapped by Coffee,and Soundmind. I enjoyed many a dialog with those guys.
    Mtrycrafts is now over at Audioholics.

    And wasn't Zapped by Coffee jneutron?

    And there's a SoundmindED over at diyAudio. Wonder if they're the same person.

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  • 04-01-2011, 06:31 PM
    E-Stat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    And wasn't Zapped by Coffee jneutron?

    No, no. First of all, that's my combination of his two monikers: FL Zapped and Jitter By Coffee. It's just easier to cross dress the two.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve Eddy
    And there's a SoundmindED over at diyAudio. Wonder if they're the same person.

    Yep. Same guy. He worships at the alter of Acoustic Research.

    rw