What would it take to get this board moving again?

[musicoverall]

What does anyone think? No fair saying we go back to the other various forums. Technical and scientific issues are here for good, it seems.

Obviously, everyone has lost interest in the Audio Lab. Can it ever be revived and, if so, how?

[Geoffcin]

What does anyone think? No fair saying we go back to the other various forums. Technical and scientific issues are here for good, it seems.

Obviously, everyone has lost interest in the Audio Lab. Can it ever be revived and, if so, how?

Just get Jneutron to put as much time into this forum as he spends complaining about how bad the moderators/moderating is.

[jneutron]

Just get Jneutron to put as much time into this forum as he spends complaining about how bad the moderators/moderating is.

Now THAT was funny..


Warn me next time...my keyboard's a mess.....coffee all over it..

John

[Resident Loser]

What does anyone think? No fair saying we go back to the other various forums. Technical and scientific issues are here for good, it seems.

Obviously, everyone has lost interest in the Audio Lab. Can it ever be revived and, if so, how?

...may be interested, can read through the first few threads spawned in this Brave New World of the dread "Audio Lab" shortly after it's inception...

And Geoffcin should pay attention to this part, in light of his recent remarks re: jneutron in the Site Feedback forum.

The short form: It's a ghetto that no noob will voluntarily come to...The following is a generalization: (a)they're too lazy to do simple legwork to become even remotely acquainted with the hobby or it's jargon, (b) too lazy or too stoooopid to read an owners manual (c) expect easy answers (d) simply want validation for their choices and sometimes argue against contrary opinions.

This results in unfettered, unsubstantiated, anecdotal, opinionating in the responses...to which there can be no reasonable alternative objective POV posted without running the risk of some sort of censure...

If someone posts: you need a $400 bubinga-wood volume control knob or hospital-grade 20amp outlets, how many (noobs or otherwise) will make the trek to the "Lab" for the requisite rebuttal to such fol-de-rol?

Forty-eight threads since Aug. 2004...it's a joke...but it's just what the powers-that-be wanted, a warm and fuzzy, advert-friendly place where BS runs rampant with little or no opposing voices...

jimHJJ(...and try as I might...)

[shokhead]

Some on this forum just cant be wrong,even when they are.

[mlsstl]

> Why are DBTs considered unimportant as selling tools by the entire industry?

Probably because they've never been very effective at producing sales results.

Good DBT's are very hard to set up when you start trying to address all potential parameters. However, at its most basic, a goal of a valid DBT is at odds with sales marketing. In an ideal scientific test, no result is "bad." It is just as valid to disprove something as it is to prove it. Either way you've gained useful knowledge - you know you've got something solid that is worth pursuing further or you know you need to start working in a different direction.

Also, among the high-end segment of the audio market, the ones an outsider might think would be interested in DBT results, there is actually the opposite reaction. In following various hi-fi forums for sometime now, there is an anti-DBT sentiment that actually gets stronger as the equipment gets pricier and more esoteric. A companion to that is the increased tendency to buy into novel or pseudo-scientific marketing pitches as the price goes up. I guess on one level we should all be grateful that some of these companies are making audio equipment and not aircraft parts.

[hermanv]

Why bother? Only controversial subjects belong here and one will be instantly attacked by "the earth is the center of the solar system" types (It is, just look up). If I wanted to research a full white paper to defend a position why would I bother to publish here?

Vitrol and psuedo science but mainly mean spirited crap have permanently destroyed this thread and much of this forum as a place for thoughtful discussion.

[westcott]

I have to admit, this is the first time I have gotten this far down on the Forum list to respond to questions.

I would suggest that some permanent reference material be posted here like white papers from different manufacturers and credible acoustic consultants. Topics like room modes, mode calculators, speaker setup, acoustic theory, mode overlap, bass solutions, acoustic treatments, proper speaker placement, determining optimal viewing and listening distances, a myth buster section (snake oil vendors), speaker sensitivity, different driver technologies and the pros and cons of each, DIY projects pros and cons, video calibration, audio calibration, bass management, etc.

I could keep on going but if all of this was in one place, this thread would get more hits than all of the other forums put together.

A page with topics like this would be a good start IMO.

AV tech tips and data

[Resident Loser]

I have to admit, this is the first time I have gotten this far down on the Forum list to respond to questions...

...understand why the LAB exists...

Prior to it's inception, issues were addressed on a case-by-case, thread-by-thread basis in situ...Some debates became heated. Some challenges to what can only be described as anecdotal comments were viewed as harrassment and to be perfectly honest there was certainly more than a grain of truth to that claim...The mere mention of DBTs in the main forum was, shall we say, frowned upon...This site is a subsidiary of a marketing firm and too many firefights disputing untenable and downright fallacious claims by potential advertisers does not make for good business. Poof! and we are banished to Bogey-land...Consequently, many of the knowledgable, longtime users left the site rather than be relegated to second-class citizenry of life in the LAB.

The few of us remaining have done what we can, but it's really a no-mans land...I mean how many folks have actually read the thread showing the contents of a hi-zoot wireworks mfr. terminating network? Not many...nobody comes to the LAB, because like the lab in school you might actually have to think.

But, that's OK...The site is what it is, and we can pass around the pablum to the noobs and poke fun at the rest of it, each in our own way...

jimHJJ(...besides, some of the questions cause me to ask myself questions and off I go a-surfin' for some real answers...)

[westcott]

So my suggestion to change how the lab is used and how content is presented is not an option?

[Resident Loser]

So my suggestion to change how the lab is used and how content is presented is not an option?

...that's not the case, just providing some historical perspective...

With regard to some of your suggestions, there is already the DIY forum and the other mentioned facets of the hobby are low-key enough to be included in the main, more trafficked forums.

Re: mfr. "whitepapers"...most of what I've read are jam packed with factoids and psuedo-science, simply in support of the respective mfrs. particular brand of snake-oil...

Even turning it into a place where stickies or FAQs reside probably won't work, as nearly every poster thinks of their problem/question as unique...Yeah, that's never happened before...

jimHJJ(...just my .02...)

[E-Stat]

So my suggestion to change how the lab is used and how content is presented is not an option?

It is an option. The Lab was created for those who wish to discuss / debate scientific data. For some reason, such matters were not discussed in a civil way previously in the other forums.

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