HFT Silver/Gold Fuses

[JohnMichael]

Well it seems we now have something new to debate. I received an e-mail from The Cable Company and they are selling Silver/Gold fuses to replace the standard fuses in our equipment. The claim is that the fuses are a weak link and these new fuses will further improve the sound of our systems. The fuses are $24.95 or $29.95 depending on size. Just curious if anyone has tried this tweak.

[Resident Loser]

Well it seems we now have something new to debate. I received an e-mail from The Cable Company and they are selling Silver/Gold fuses to replace the standard fuses in our equipment. The claim is that the fuses are a weak link and these new fuses will further improve the sound of our systems. The fuses are $24.95 or $29.95 depending on size. Just curious if anyone has tried this tweak.

...glass cartridge fuse made by Bussman have nickel-plated brass endcaps...some sizes(dimension-wise, not rating-wise) are currently available with gold-plating in lieu of the nickel as an option...I'm not sure what the material for the fusible link or element is made of...lead perhaps may be one. Although as per pending RoHS guidelines of the EU, certain substances including lead will not be allowed in items included in non-industrial, i.e. consumer products...But, then again any gauge wire smaller than the gauge of the wire being protected can be a fuse as long as the appropriate time/current characteristic for it's given rating is observed...

Any indication as to what part(s) are made of precious metals?

jimHJJ(...what's next Swarovski to replace the glass tube?...)

[Resident Loser]

...took a look at their website...ceramic tube eh? to eliminate resonances...well, there are reasons some fuses have ceramic bodies...some are renewable...their fuse material can be replaced via screw-off endcaps...however...as per Wikipedia:

"Smaller fuses often have a glass body with nothing but air inside so that the fuse wire can be inspected. Unfortunately under extremely high current or voltage, such fuses can arc over and therefore continue to supply a current. So fuses used in such situations (for example building wiring installations) have a stronger ceramic body which better prevents arc over, and are filled with sand to quench any arcs..."

"Fuses with ceramic cases have higher voltage ratings. Fuses carrying a 250 V rating can be safely used in a 125 V circuit, but the reverse is not true as the fuse may not be capable of safely interrupting the arc in a circuit of a higher voltage."

Once again, like IEC connectors, eutectic solders and the phrase "burn-in", the audio-magi seem to have taken common, everyday items and imbued them with myth beyond their purpose.

jimHJJ(...I know this probably wasn't the response you wanted, but hey it's Friday...)

[robo02]

There is a feedback page on these fuses located here:
http://www.ultrasystem.com/usfeature...stimonial.html

[Resident Loser]

There is a feedback page on these fuses located here:
http://www.ultrasystem.com/usfeature...stimonial.html

...nothing like unsolicited, anonymous, anecdotal accolades from the manufacturers website to substantiate the performnace of their product...

jimHJJ(...it's always the first thing I look for...yeah, right!...)

[HiFi-Tuning]

...nothing like unsolicited, anonymous, anecdotal accolades from the manufacturers website to substantiate the performnace of their product...

jimHJJ(...it's always the first thing I look for...yeah, right!...)

Hi all,

I'm Bernd Ahne from HiFi-Tuning Germany, and I know that many many peoples are very happy with my fuses.

What's the problem? 14 days money back guarantee!
I think the problem from the looser is the money that he don't have for the fuses, or not?

So not thinking, just listen and you'll see guys!

BTW: Cello use already our fuses in his complete equipment.

Regards,

Berny
(www.HiFi-Tuning.com)

[Resident Loser]

Hi all,

I'm Bernd Ahne from HiFi-Tuning Germany, and I know that many many peoples are very happy with my fuses.

What's the problem? 14 days money back guarantee!
I think the problem from the looser is the money that he don't have for the fuses, or not?

So not thinking, just listen and you'll see guys!

BTW: Cello use already our fuses in his complete equipment.

Regards,

Berny
(www.HiFi-Tuning.com)

...I am much less of a sheep than many of the rank-and-file tweak-o-philes who buy into this sort of claptrap...I can purchase around 100 or so Buss Littelfuses for the price of ONE of your objets d'art...or a coupla' CDs...for two of 'em an SPL meter which will provide significant information of the only tweak that counts: improving the listening environment.

Explain to me, no make it us how an extremely thin bit of user accessible, encapsulated metal, far removed from the signal path, can have one iota of an effect on said signal...Do the electrons simply fall into place more readily at the mere idea of passing through a precious metal as opposed to material common to the ordinary, everyday fusible link?

I'm sure you must have some valid test results to substantiate your anecdotal claims...pseudo-science doesn't count...What resonates in a glass-bodied fuse as compared to a ceramic one? At what frequency does this resonance occur? Exactly how are they hand tested? What sort of non-destructive flaw detection is used? Magnetic flux imaging? Pulse thermography? Are they X-rayed? MRI-ed? Ultrasonics? Kirlian photography? A simple continuity test with a VOM? Battery and a lightbulb? Are they UL listed and approved?

jimHJJ(...the price is meaningless...the gullibility is priceless...)

[Geoffcin]

My old PS Audio 200c Signature came with them. A pair of gold plated rail fuses to be exact. I believe the argument was that the contacts were less likely to corrode and need to be cleaned. This makes good sense to me.

[HiFi-Tuning]

Sorry Loser,

but my english is not so good to answer the many questions....
Please write a Mail to Robert Stein, he is my Distributor for USA/Canada:
UltraSystems, Inc.
Visit us at http://www.ultrasystem.com
Contact information:
Telephone: 215-862-6570, or toll-free 800-724-3305
FAX: 215-862-4871. Email: ultra@ultrasystem.com
Shipping address: Ultra Systems, Inc.,127 Union Square, New Hope, PA 18938 USA
Hours of operation: Mon.-Fri. 10am - 6pm Eastern time. Sat. 11am -5pm

And take a look at: http://www.vde.com/vde_en/

GreetZ

Berny

[Resident Loser]

My old PS Audio 200c Signature came with them. A pair of gold plated rail fuses to be exact. I believe the argument was that the contacts were less likely to corrode and need to be cleaned. This makes good sense to me.

...I would tend to agree...that's a reasonable argument...despite the fact that there are umpteen gazillion (give or take a google or two) electronic devices that chug along quite contentedly with the nickel-plated, brass-endcap variety of fuse. In fact, I pointed out their existence in my first post to this thread... Unfortunately, that's not really what is at issue.

Since being the recipient of an ad hominem inference, I think turn-about is fair play. Is there any supportive evidence for the claims made for the product at the linked website?

Surely he can put his money (are they all that condescending?) where his mouth is...

jimHJJ(...sorta' reminds me of a certain mod's pecuniary attitude...)

[HiFi-Tuning]

Unfortunately you are a Theorethiker and no listener. It is proved the tension refuse slighter our fuses up to 90% and loss achievements as the standards purport possess. Why do so many listeners get themselves expensive power cables? All loosers?
Again once, it would listen to you and you are more slyly, but you apparently have fear of the truth?

Sorry again for my rusty english....

Berny

[Resident Loser]

Sorry Loser, but my english is not so good to answer the many questions....
Please write a Mail to Robert Stein, he is my Distributor for USA/Canada:

Berny

...let's make it easier for you:

Was schwingt in einer Glas-bodied Sicherung verglichen mit einem keramischen mit? Bei welcher Frequenz tritt diese Resonanz auf? Genau wie sind sie die geprüfte Hand? Welche Art der zerstörungsfreien Fehlerabfragung wird verwendet? Magnetische Flußbelichtung? Impulsthermographie? Werden sie geröntgt? MRI-ED? Ultraschallehre? Kirlian Fotographie? Ein einfacher Durchgang Test mit einem VOM? Batterie und ein lightbulb? Sind sie verzeichnetes und genehmigtes UL?

To those who might wonder: just the questions asked previously in English...

Ihr Verteiler kann Fragen beantworten, die Sie, der Hersteller, nicht können?

Translation: Your distributor can answer questions that you, the manufacturer, can't?

jimHJJ(...that's the second thing I look for...)

[HiFi-Tuning]

"Fuses with ceramic cases have higher voltage ratings."<---You are wrong!
Fuses carrying a 250 V rating can be safely used in a 125 V circuit, but the reverse is not true as the fuse may not be capable of safely interrupting the arc in a circuit of a higher voltage."<---You are wrong! Fact is you can use our fuses till 250 Volt (small) or 500 Volt (large)
"Was schwingt in einer Glas-bodied Sicherung verglichen mit einem keramischen mit?"<---Die Vorteile belaufen sich nicht nur auf Schwingungen oder Resonanzen sondern dient auch der besseren Kuehlung in Verbindung mit einer Sandfuellung
"Genau wie sind sie die geprüfte Hand?"<---Unsere Sicherungen werden in Handarbeit hergestellt, nicht von mir Persoenlich.
"Welche Art der zerstörungsfreien Fehlerabfragung wird verwendet? Magnetische Flußbelichtung? Impulsthermographie? Werden sie geröntgt? MRI-ED? Ultraschallehre? Kirlian Fotographie? Ein einfacher Durchgang Test mit einem VOM? Batterie und ein lightbulb?"<---Selbstverstaendlich werden wir hier nicht auf alle Einzelheiten eingehen, (Feind liest mit ;-) )
"Sind sie verzeichnetes und genehmigtes UL?"<---Unsere Sicherungen werden nach gültigen Normen gefertigt die in Europa + Deutschland Standard sind, Selbstverstaendlich brauchen wir die UL Tests nicht zu Scheuen, jedoch sind sie mit enormen Kosten verbunden die wir nicht auf unsere Sicherungen aufschlagen wollen. Zum Wohle der Kunden!
Ich will Sie nicht Ueberreden unsere Sicherungen zu Testen, denn wenn Sie wuessten was Ihnen entgeht, wuerden Sie sich laengst Entschuldigt haben!

Sie sind ein unbelehrbarer Kritiker den wir nicht "behandeln" koennen....

Für wirkliche Interessenten geben wir gerne per Mail weitere Antworten: order@hifi-tuning.com

Berny Ahne

[HiFi-Tuning]

My old PS Audio 200c Signature came with them. A pair of gold plated rail fuses to be exact. I believe the argument was that the contacts were less likely to corrode and need to be cleaned. This makes good sense to me.

This fuses are not from HiFi-Tuning, the quality is like standard fuse (Bussmann, Wickmann or Siba) and then gold plated, but under gold just standard!

Berny

[Geoffcin]

This fuses are not from HiFi-Tuning, the quality is like standard fuse (Bussmann, Wickmann or Siba) and then gold plated, but under gold just standard!

Berny

Please keep all further posts in English.

[Resident Loser]

Please keep all further posts in English.

...nothing...according to him my quotes from Wikipedia are wrong...Well, that's what you get for believing things you read on the interweb, I'd say...

Yada-yada-yada about sand and resonances...won't discuss "proprietary" info due to potential industrial espionage(for fuses???)...his products (not made by him BTW as so he states) meets European and German standards and it would be prohibitively expensive to go for UL approval...

Cloak and dagger...smoke and mirrors...pure unadulterated...

jimHJJ(...twaddle...)

[Geoffcin]

...nothing...according to him my quotes from Wikipedia are wrong...Well, that's what you get for believing things you read on the interweb, I'd say...

Yada-yada-yada about sand and resonances...won't discuss "proprietary" info due to potential industrial espionage(for fuses???)...his products (not made by him BTW as so he states) meets European and German standards and it would be prohibitively expensive to go for UL approval...

Cloak and dagger...smoke and mirrors...pure unadulterated...

jimHJJ(...twaddle...)

If you used non-UL approved fuses in your audio gear. I certainly woudn't

[FLZapped]

...nothing...according to him my quotes from Wikipedia are wrong...Well, that's what you get for believing things you read on the interweb, I'd say...

Yada-yada-yada about sand and resonances...won't discuss "proprietary" info due to potential industrial espionage(for fuses???)...his products (not made by him BTW as so he states) meets European and German standards and it would be prohibitively expensive to go for UL approval...

Cloak and dagger...smoke and mirrors...pure unadulterated...

jimHJJ(...twaddle...)

Maybe these are better links:

http://www.lnl.com/howto/fuse.htm

http://www.littelfuse.com/cgi-bin/r....ION=kRemM2RGIS


-Bruce

[Resident Loser]

Maybe these are better links:

http://www.lnl.com/howto/fuse.htm

http://www.littelfuse.com/cgi-bin/r....ION=kRemM2RGIS


-Bruce

...always confuse the issue with facts?

jimHJJ(...I thought that was my job...)

[kexodusc]

ROFLMAO!!!
RL's into the jagermeister again!

Seriously though - what is with certain people and the use of insulting one's ability to afford certain pieces of equipment as a straw man argument to evade the issues? Is this a cultural thing?

[Resident Loser]

ROFLMAO!!!
RL's into the jagermeister again!

Seriously though - what is with certain people and the use of insulting one's ability to afford certain pieces of equipment as a straw man argument to evade the issues? Is this a cultural thing?

...I don't know how anyone can drink that stuff on a regular basis...it's only 70proof but those herbs, etc. are just too much...and this from someone who used to drink straight JD black label (until they dumbed it down to 86proof) and then switched to Wild Turkey 101...

It was supposed to be a digestive aid after meals, had at room temp, much like anisette and the like...then sombody got the idea to make it attractive to the a, er...youth market.

You can not afford zuch product, you icht inferior, you haff no ears...

jimHJJ(...cultural?...judging by some of the examples, maybe...)

[FLZapped]

...always confuse the issue with facts?

jimHJJ(...I thought that was my job...)

Yeah bad habit I got into in school.

So much for our educational system, huh.


-Bruce
(and let's not forget a hardy HAR HAR...)

[hermanv]

Posting in german is not permitted. Please keep all further posts in English.

Wow, get over yourself. Look at a globe, lots of countries. The internet is an international device not your private USA only dogpatch.

Besides, on line translators are easy to find, it turns our Bernie doesn't call RL any names all the rest of us haven't.

If RL could reproduce music with a rope and pulley he would, since there have been exactly zero improvemnts to the art in the last 75 years.

Ignorance is indeed the highest form of bliss.

[Geoffcin]

Wow, get over yourself. Look at a globe, lots of countries. The internet is an international device not your private USA only dogpatch.

Besides, on line translators are easy to find, it turns our Bernie doesn't call RL any names all the rest of us haven't.

If RL could reproduce music with a rope and pulley he would, since there have been exactly zero improvemnts to the art in the last 75 years.

Ignorance is indeed the highest form of bliss.

Or any other language but English is not permitted.

[Resident Loser]

If RL could reproduce music with a rope and pulley he would, since there have been exactly zero improvemnts to the art in the last 75 years.

Ignorance is indeed the highest form of bliss.

...you wanna' start with me?


If you have any more clever remarks, I'd suggest you present them in the Steel Cage...I don't do PMs...

jimHJJ(..as per P.T. Barnum: "...this way to the egress..."...)