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Troy
11-10-2004, 08:11 AM
Most entertaining movie of the year by a mile.

Best Pixar film yet. The artistry in this movie will absolutely knock your block off. These guys have come SO far, SO fast!

Best ironic superhero movie ever. Absolutely brilliant script about a world that has legislated away the need for superheroes and implemented a "superhero protection agency" that lets them blend into society. It's similar to the X-men story, but with a sense of humor. One of the messages of the film is a personal favorite, and one I've ascribed to for years: "If everyone is special, then no one really is".

I was really surprised at how this movie scratched my James Bond itch rather than my superhero itch. The comparisons are unmistakable.

It's the most staggeringly beautiful homage to 1960s modern design and architectural ethos ever made. The leotard designer, Edna Mode's (Edith Head?) home was a masterpiece of mid century modernism. The cars, buildings and especially the bad guy's secret island fortress are the perfect tribute to production designer Ken Adam (all the 60s James bond movies, Dr. Strangelove). This movie deserves the Production Design oscar.

Best ersatz James Bond Soundtrack ever. So many have tried to knock off the John Barry vibe, but no one has done it so well, and with such a sly wink. Brilliant.

There is no way that this movie is for little kids. The ones in the theater watched it, but I don't think they were nearly as enthralled as the adults.

Spectacular film.

Worf101
11-10-2004, 08:45 AM
Been waitin' for a review from one of "da faithful" before spending my hard earned. Thanks for giving us the word. Glad you liked it. If it's' superior to Pixar's earlier efforts then it must truly be "special". I will use my Vets day and take my old Vetrans ass down to see it.

Da Worfster :cool:

Mike
11-10-2004, 09:34 AM
I spotted it a while ago on a trailer web site and have been looking forward to it, now you've really wet my appetite. I don't think it's been released in the UK yet but it's just starting to be talked about on TV and radio.

I've got a seven year old (as if I needed an excuse to go see it!) but that's the great appeal of these films on two levels, most of the dialogue goes over the kids heads but they enjoy the visuals so much.

Cheers
Mike

audiobill
11-10-2004, 12:10 PM
I posted this on the movie board, but only about 3 people bother to read that.

Most entertaining movie of the year by a mile.

Best Pixar film yet. The artistry in this movie will absolutely knock your block off. These guys have come SO far, SO fast!

Best ironic superhero movie ever. Absolutely brilliant script about a world that has legislated away the need for superheroes and implemented a "superhero protection agency" that lets them blend into society. It's similar to the X-men story, but with a sense of humor. One of the messages of the film is a personal favorite, and one I've ascribed to for years: "If everyone is special, then no one really is".

I was really surprised at how this movie scratched my James Bond itch rather than my superhero itch. The comparisons are unmistakable.

It's the most staggeringly beautiful homage to 1960s modern design and architectural ethos ever made. The leotard designer, Edna Mode's (Edith Head?) home was a masterpiece of mid century modernism. The cars, buildings and especially the bad guy's secret island fortress are the perfect tribute to production designer Ken Adam (all the 60s James bond movies, Dr. Strangelove). This movie deserves the Production Design oscar.

Best ersatz James Bond Soundtrack ever. So many have tried to knock off the John Barry vibe, but no one has done it so well, and with such a sly wink. Brilliant.

There is no way that this movie is for little kids. The ones in the theater watched it, but I don't think they were nearly as enthralled as the adults.

Spectacular film.

Troy: Thanks for the review. I'm a BIG movie fan & was wondering whether Pixar will continue its streak. I'm sold, just by your review. I'll be taking my family to see it, this weekend.
Cheers, Bill

mad rhetorik
11-10-2004, 12:30 PM
I don't think Pixar has released a bad film yet. <b>Toy Story</b> (both of 'em), <b>Monsters Inc.</b>, <b>Finding Nemo</b>.... that's one hell of a resume. Even their weakest film, <b>A Bug's Life</b> (basically a <b>Three Amigos</b> rewrite) is consistently watchable.

They have perfected the family movie--no overly flashy short attention span B.S., merchandise-peddling, cheesy musical numbers, or plot/humor that would insult a post-pubescent intelligence. An adult can watch this and not as a "guilty pleasure," either. A message that Disney (and all the other animation firms out there) ought to heed.

Anyway, I will definitely have to see <b>The Incredibles</b> soon. Good review Troy.

Stone
11-10-2004, 12:58 PM
There is no way that this movie is for little kids. The ones in the theater watched it, but I don't think they were nearly as enthralled as the adults.

Nice review. I'm planning on taking my 5-year-old to it this coming weekend. Do you suggest I pass on it (with him)? I have a feeling he'll like it just because it's animated, even if he doesn't "get it" (like Shrek).

Troy
11-10-2004, 01:21 PM
Nice review. I'm planning on taking my 5-year-old to it this coming weekend. Do you suggest I pass on it (with him)? I have a feeling he'll like it just because it's animated, even if he doesn't "get it" (like Shrek).

Sure, little kids will enjoy it because it's got kid characters doing heroic things, but the gyst of the story and the underlying themes will appeal to adults first.

It is the most grown up Pixar flick by quite a margin.

Dusty Chalk
11-10-2004, 07:54 PM
Thanks for the review. Will go see. Was going to wait for vid, but I have a few friends who still owe me a night out at the theater.

Chip_B
11-10-2004, 08:14 PM
Most entertaining movie of the year by a mile.

I completely agree. I took the family to see it last weekend and we absolutely loved it. Great story, brilliant animation, and exhilarating action sequences. It was the most fun I've had at the movies in a very long time.

I'm particularly amazed at how well PIXAR captures nuanced emotion in the characters' facial expressions. In many respects it was like watching live actors...no small feat considering you're actually watching a computer animated cartoon.

-Chip

Worf101
11-11-2004, 07:53 PM
It's all there, the secret lair, the plot to dominate the world, the evil genius. It's great... add superheroes and Pixar animation and you're one great movie. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Go see it and you don't even have to take the kids...

Da Worfster :cool:

markw
11-12-2004, 08:04 AM
Gotta jump in with the praise for this movie. Great James Bond villian/hideout/music thing goin' on. Great "cast" in that you stop looking at them as amimated pixels and start seeing them in an almost anthrophorphic light. Particularly loved the costume designer. Loved the settings and the vehicles, too. Didja check out the entertainment centers in the Incredible's home?

...and just loved Jack Jack at the end. Gotta have more... This is NOT just for kids.

Also, saw a teaser for the new Star Wars flick. Finally gonna tie the two series together. Let's hope there's more than just glitzy SFX this time around.

jeskibuff
11-13-2004, 05:11 AM
Sounds like a great movie!

I saw this cartoon yesterday.

Hopefully, people will get a laugh out of it and won't get all bent out of shape

eisforelectronic
11-15-2004, 06:01 AM
I gotta agree, this was one of the best movies I've seen lately. Completely genius! I wanted to leave after the Star Wars EP III teaser, but no one else got up...just kidding.

Is Axiom really as good as all these reviews say?

MasterCylinder
11-16-2004, 05:37 AM
My 14-year old daughter and a pack of her friends went to see this movie and came home raving about it...........she told me that I would love it too.

-Jar-
11-16-2004, 09:08 AM
definately enjoyed it.. took 5 yo daughter. It was a bit overwhelming for her, she's very sensitive to the loud parts and this one is LOUD. Plus, of course, there was quite a bit of violence.. but yea, I know it was "cartoony" - still, I'd probably prefer that she not see that much, but she was dying to see it.

Best animation I've seen in a movie period. It's just amazing. It blew "Shark Tail" totally out of the water.. plus, it was just not that good of a movie, regardless of animation.

Did ya'll see the preview for "Cars" coming out next year? Looks like a new benchmark for animation from what I saw of it. Amazing.

-jar

Stone
11-16-2004, 01:12 PM
definately enjoyed it.. took 5 yo daughter. It was a bit overwhelming for her, she's very sensitive to the loud parts and this one is LOUD. Plus, of course, there was quite a bit of violence.. but yea, I know it was "cartoony" - still, I'd probably prefer that she not see that much, but she was dying to see it.

Best animation I've seen in a movie period. It's just amazing. It blew "Shark Tail" totally out of the water.. plus, it was just not that good of a movie, regardless of animation.

Did ya'll see the preview for "Cars" coming out next year? Looks like a new benchmark for animation from what I saw of it. Amazing.

-jar

That was my reaction too, basically. I really liked it (probably more than my son) and I didn't have as much of an issue with the violence (especially since there was no blood), but maybe I should. Oh, and I agree; the animation was fantastic.

Yeah, Shark Tale was a POS, if you ask me. Pretty boring. Cars looks really cool. I'm sure we'll see that one when it comes out.

Dusty Chalk
11-16-2004, 01:33 PM
Actually, I just saw Shark Tale and quite enjoyed it (wanted to see it before it vamoosed [?sp] from the theaters).

Robots looks good, too. As does The Wild. I didn't see any preview for Cars, though.

Good time to be a computer animation geek.

Troy
11-16-2004, 02:43 PM
Saw Incredibles again. I'd go again too. Violence? As violent as any episode of Jonny Quest. What a cool movie for 60s Googie geeks like me.

Saw the Cars preview. Looks clean, I just hope it's not primarily about NASCAR.

Saw Shrek 2 last night. Now THAT'S a turd of a movie. The first one was so clever, this one covers allt he same ground without the surprises or action. It relied too much on Hollywood jokes and topical humor. It was really boring. Shocking that some reviewers liked it more than Incredibles.

Whooptee
11-17-2004, 08:41 AM
Saw Shrek 2 last night. Now THAT'S a turd of a movie.
I'd agree with you 100%, but that Puss'n'Boots character put the movie over the top for me. That cat really cracked me up.

John

jack70
11-19-2004, 08:15 AM
I don't see any "first-run" movies anymore (cash priorities), but I find the new technologies in the animated/computer arts interesting. Now, whether it will change "the art" in some "meaningfull" way (down the road) , that's hard to say. Time will tell I guess.

It's still the writer who's at the heart of any (good) story/film IMO... and good writing has gotten watered down with the myriad of indie films and TV channels all barking for writers for their "cool" "product". In the old days, if you were truly talented, you might get hired by Disney or another similar company, surrounded by other talented people. Today, many second & third rate wanna-be's write slop for network primetime. (I'm not slamin' the film here,I didn't see it )

But I did see this neat film-short animation recently:

http://www.gethappy.com/watchmore.html

It's a pseudo/(clay)mation by Mark Osborne... won several awards back in 1999. About 5 minutes in length (20 secs to download). And oh yeah, it's 16 MB, so unless you have cable, ferget it! (sorry). It's Quicktime as well, so PC users will need to take QT outta yer startup tab after viewing it (I hate how Apple has that aggravating habit of "thinking" for us). Very well done, just the same.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
11-19-2004, 12:18 PM
Troy,
I moved and merged the post with your other one on rave recordings. Just trying to keep the movies in the movie section, and the recording in the recording section. Sorry for the inconvience.

BarryL
11-19-2004, 12:34 PM
Troy,
I moved and merged the post with your other one on rave recordings. Just trying to keep the movies in the movie section, and the recording in the recording section. Sorry for the inconvience.


..that our little community of music posters, many of which have been posting here for more than five or six years, should want to talk about something else, and even have the courtesy of noting in the post that it is OT.

I might be interested in what Troy has to say about a movie he liked without having to search the entire AR site to see whether Troy posted anything of interest today. Why does everything have to be sorted into little boxes according to the wishes of the moderator rather than the desires of the customers and users? Why can't you let Troy decide where he wants to post. Maybe what he had to say he wanted to say to community of people who post on the Rave Reviews board.

Sheesh.

dean_martin
11-19-2004, 01:41 PM
..that our little community of music posters, many of which have been posting here for more than five or six years, should want to talk about something else, and even have the courtesy of noting in the post that it is OT.

I might be interested in what Troy has to say about a movie he liked without having to search the entire AR site to see whether Troy posted anything of interest today. Why does everything have to be sorted into little boxes according to the wishes of the moderator rather than the desires of the customers and users? Why can't you let Troy decide where he wants to post. Maybe what he had to say he wanted to say to community of people who post on the Rave Reviews board.

Sheesh.

Hmmmmmm...how to respond without appearing confrontational? When Troy reposted on the rave recs board, he noted that only about 3 people bothered to look at his post in favorite films. This was not true. In fact, he had about 90 views and 6 reponses. Some of the frequent visitors were actually waiting for a review of The Incredibles and showed their appreciation. I'm glad he didn't post soley on the rave recs board.

The favorite films board from October through the first week of November was getting more viewers, almost 30 at a time, than I've noticed in the past. I thought it might be time for a regular weekly post similar to the Tunesday thread in rave recs - something like a Monday thread on the movies seen in theaters or rented over the weekend. But, the number of viewers and participants dropped off.

I really have no opinion on what the moderator did. Troy did post in favorite films and maybe that should have been satisfactory. My concern is that the Favorite Films board doesn't dry up. Most of us who post on this board can also be found in other sections discussing audio/video gear and even recorded music. We welcome you guys at Rave Recs to get out a little more and join us occasionally in discussing movies.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
11-19-2004, 02:30 PM
Hmmmmmm...how to respond without appearing confrontational?

I think you did quite well, thank you.

Barry,
When you are running a site this large, it is important that there be some organization. Placing posts in the proper place is what makes it organized. The rest of my comments Dean covered quite well.

BarryL
11-19-2004, 02:47 PM
I think you did quite well, thank you.

Barry,
When you are running a site this large, it is important that there be some organization. Placing posts in the proper place is what makes it organized. The rest of my comments Dean covered quite well.


It was easy to find Troy's link because you noted that it was moved. That was a good thing. A considerate thing. The site programmer was planning ahead.

My conjecture may be wrong here, but I suspect this is more than trying to keep things organized. I suspect you are trying to let Troy and 3lockbox know that they should not be posting movie reviews on the Rave Recordings board, but should be posting them here. I'm sure you are going to get tired of moving their movie posts over to this board, as you are currently doing. And that will lead to some kind of effort to stop people from posting in places that are "inappropriate" by the standard of AR categories, not the intended audience of the communication. For example, I'm sure Troy and 3lockbox wanted the Rave Recordings community to hear what they had to say about the movie. I certainly was. But I wouldn't have seen their posts if they posted on the movie board.

So, make me feel better. Tell me that you won't start deleting posts and threatening to remove those who make OT posts from participating.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
11-19-2004, 03:31 PM
It was easy to find Troy's link because you noted that it was moved. That was a good thing. A considerate thing. The site programmer was planning ahead.

[quote]My conjecture may be wrong here, but I suspect this is more than trying to keep things organized. I suspect you are trying to let Troy and 3lockbox know that they should not be posting movie reviews on the Rave Recordings board, but should be posting them here.

It's wrong LOL I had no other intention than to move OT posts from the wrong area, to the right area. If any other thoughts and conclusions to the move are developed, then they are reading well past my intentions.



I'm sure you are going to get tired of moving their movie posts over to this board, as you are currently doing. And that will lead to some kind of effort to stop people from posting in places that are "inappropriate" by the standard of AR categories, not the intended audience of the communication.

Since there are other moderators working along with myself, this is not a very big job. I know of no effort to discourage people from posting in "inappropriate" places. I just hope that people would just post to the appropriate place. It does keep us from working so hard, and does keep things organized.



For example, I'm sure Troy and 3lockbox wanted the Rave Recordings community to hear what they had to say about the movie. I certainly was. But I wouldn't have seen their posts if they posted on the movie board.

My suggestion to the rave recording community is to not isolate themselves within that community. If you want to hear what anyone has to say about any movie, just come to the favorite film section and read the review. Make audioreview as a whole your community as opposed to just a small segment of it. I am sure you understand that if people just posted any topic anywhere(just because they always visit that one place), this place would be a disorganized mess and everyone would be howling like wolves. This will eliminate that kind of confusion, as you just post what you want to say in the appropriate place, and everyone is happy


So, make me feel better. Tell me that you won't start deleting posts and threatening to remove those who make OT posts from participating.

Not going to happen, that is not my style of moderating. Make me feel better, come visit the favorite film section every once in a while (:>)

tentoze
11-19-2004, 04:04 PM
" I am sure you understand that if people just posted any topic anywhere(just because they always visit that one place), this place would be a disorganized mess and everyone would be howling like wolves. This will eliminate that kind of confusion, as you just post what you want to say in the appropriate place, and everyone is happy."

Please identify the everyone who were howling in this specific instance. Also, the only person I can discern who was made happy by this tin-star power-trip is you. Thus far, Rave Recs has been relatively immune from the self-destruction that has beeen going on at AR for the last couple of years. Is there a new mission to drag Rave Recs into the petty snarkiness that has plagued so much of the rest of AR for so long?

In case I haven't made my position clear, this action was nothing more than meddling by a hall monitor.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
11-19-2004, 04:31 PM
" I am sure you understand that if people just posted any topic anywhere(just because they always visit that one place), this place would be a disorganized mess and everyone would be howling like wolves. This will eliminate that kind of confusion, as you just post what you want to say in the appropriate place, and everyone is happy."

Please identify the everyone who were howling in this specific instance.

First, I was setting up a scenario, not saying that it actually happened. Please read it again, that might be helpful.


Also, the only person I can discern who was made happy by this tin-star power-trip is you.

This is a personal assult, and is not allow on this board. This is the very attitude that previously killed the other forums, and exactly what the site administrators do not want to see. It was also very uncool as I have not attack you in this fashion


Thus far, Rave Recs has been relatively immune from the self-destruction that has beeen going on at AR for the last couple of years.

Perhaps this is true, but this is not a website on its own. It is a forum within a website. All website rules apply to this forum, like it does to all of the other forums. You are not running yourself, but are part of a larger picture, so you do not set your own rules.


Is there a new mission to drag Rave Recs into the petty snarkiness that has plagued so much of the rest of AR for so long?

Not if you don't make it one. However attacking someone that hasn't personally attacked you does constitute petty snarkiness, so don't do the very thing that you don't like.


In case I haven't made my position clear, this action was nothing more than meddling by a hall monitor.

If you were in my position(moderator and participant) and someone said this to you, you would be highly insulted. I am not however, as I am never insulted by people on any forum I visit. However this constitutes a personal attack, and that cannot continue. What ever happened to rule "don't attack someone who hasn't attacked you"? This comment is very unnecessary, as doesn't help the situation one bit.

BarryL
11-19-2004, 04:39 PM
It's wrong LOL I had no other intention than to move OT posts from the wrong area, to the right area. If any other thoughts and conclusions to the move are developed, then they are reading well past my intentions.

Make me feel better, come visit the favorite film section every once in a while (:>)


I guess I just have problems with authority figures. I've once again over-reacted. Thanks for humouring me (I am Canadian, after all -- you can tell by the spelling).

At least I know one highly recommended movie to go see to forget about this whole thing!

And given that I only live in one tiny corner of your community, I'll refrain from posting movie reviews there and creating other kinds of clutter.

Enjoy your weekend, and keep those fingers nimble.

(Any good movies you'd recommend?)

tentoze
11-19-2004, 04:45 PM
Somehow, I don't think it is mere coincidence that I've seen these same statements used in the (recent) past when forum users reacted unfavorably to heavy-handed tactics by a moderator. No matter. Take it personally if you feel that righteous indignation provides any substance to your argument. I've said all that I intend to on the subject, and am going back to Rave Recs.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
11-19-2004, 04:59 PM
Somehow, I don't think it is mere coincidence that I've seen these same statements used in the (recent) past when forum users reacted unfavorably to heavy-handed tactics by a moderator. No matter. Take it personally if you feel that righteous indignation provides any substance to your argument. I've said all that I intend to on the subject, and am going back to Rave Recs.

It doesn't serve you well to think that all moderators are the same, and you have to treat them all poorly. Nothing personal here at all, but off topic posts will be moved. There is nothing heavy handed about following the rules and I am sorry you are taking this so negatively. That is not my intent.

Dusty Chalk
11-19-2004, 07:02 PM
It's kind of liked forced bussing.

Did you even notice that the thread in Rave Recs was twice as long as the one in Fave Films? That's because there's more of a community over there.

I know I, for one, do not visit all the forums, and I was just about to give up on Fave Films as well.

I think I will, now. I hate being forced to use it, and my response will be to boycott fave films.

See ya.

dean_martin
11-20-2004, 09:52 AM
It's kind of liked forced bussing.

Did you even notice that the thread in Rave Recs was twice as long as the one in Fave Films? That's because there's more of a community over there.

I know I, for one, do not visit all the forums, and I was just about to give up on Fave Films as well.

I think I will, now. I hate being forced to use it, and my response will be to boycott fave films.

See ya.

Dusty,

I noticed in October and the first part of November the number of viewers in fave films increased to almost 30 at any given time. Favorite Films was probably running second with speakers both of which were behind rave recs which usually has the most viewers at any given time. Participation was up as well.

When Troy started the thread on The Incredibles, he had about 90 views and 3 to 6 responses on fave films before he reposted in Rave Recs. He still got a couple of more responses in fave films after he reposted as people went to see the film based at least in small part on his review. Many, including myself, were appreciative of his review in fave films. And, I appreciated the fact that he chose to post here even if he wanted to share it with the community at rave recs, which he did. This didn't bother me at all. What does concern me, however, is the possibility of substantial film talk migrating to rave recs. The film afficiandos here at AR are small in number compared to the music lovers. I for one would like to see more participation in filmland by the community at rave recs even if it's only on an occasional basis.

Don't abandon US because you disagreed with the moderator. Really, you would hurt the ones who regularly participate at fave films much more than the moderator.

The thing I like about AR is that I can view and participate in discussions on music, gear and film at one place. It won't take much of a boycott to shut down fave films.

eisforelectronic
11-20-2004, 03:55 PM
Maybe I'm still just a newbie here but really....what's a couple of mouse clicks to check or post on another forum? I myself check all the forums on AR pretty much everyday.

JSE
11-22-2004, 07:21 AM
Wow!

Saw it this weekend. Very good film. Very clever and very funny. Probably my favorite this year.

Does anyone remenber who the sister's voice was? I missed it in the credits. Sounded very familiar.

JSE

Worf101
11-22-2004, 07:38 AM
Wow!

Saw it this weekend. Very good film. Very clever and very funny. Probably my favorite this year.

Does anyone remenber who the sister's voice was? I missed it in the credits. Sounded very familiar.

JSE

For "unhijacking" the thread and getting it back to the topic at hand. How you doin you ole horse thief? The daughter was listed as vocalized by one Sarah Vowell, never heard of her.

Da Worfster

JSE
11-22-2004, 08:58 AM
For "unhijacking" the thread and getting it back to the topic at hand. How you doin you ole horse thief? The daughter was listed as vocalized by one Sarah Vowell, never heard of her.

Da Worfster


Huh? Sarh Vowell. Yep, never heard of her. She might have a bright future if Vanna White ever kicks the bucket on Wheel of Fortune. :D Hah, I'm killin myself. ;)

The only nit-pick I had with the movie, and it was a minor minor one, was Holly Hunter as the wife's voice. Just kindof annoying. Other than that, this movie was awesome. I can't wait to see the sequel, if one is planned. Actually, I wish they would come out with a true animated James Bond movie similiar to this one. Funny and all. How cool would that be? Purists would never allow it though.

BTW, keep the Horse theiven on the down-low. Technically, you can still be hanged here in Texas for it. :D

JSE

Worf101
11-23-2004, 08:28 AM
Huh? Sarh Vowell. Yep, never heard of her. She might have a bright future if Vanna White ever kicks the bucket on Wheel of Fortune. :D Hah, I'm killin myself. ;)

The only nit-pick I had with the movie, and it was a minor minor one, was Holly Hunter as the wife's voice. Just kindof annoying. Other than that, this movie was awesome. I can't wait to see the sequel, if one is planned. Actually, I wish they would come out with a true animated James Bond movie similiar to this one. Funny and all. How cool would that be? Purists would never allow it though.

BTW, keep the Horse theiven on the down-low. Technically, you can still be hanged here in Texas for it. :D

JSE

Agree with you on the Bond suggestion. But I think only Pixar or Trey and Parker, could give it the nasty spin it would need for it to work. Been a load of "Bond" type rip-off's as of late. It'd really have to distinguish itself with either more humor or spectacular graphics.

Da Worfster :cool: