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nick4433
06-30-2004, 01:19 PM
A posse has been formed and will chase you down in 24 hours as you are now on the "WANTED" list. Your crime? You keep bringing up why receivers cannot serve the purpose of prepros!
You keep insisting how money is wasted on the "amp" section when being used solely as prepro. Let me give you a shining example of a receiver used as a prepro, the Yamaha RX-V1400. This receiver has all the latest decoding and supports auto room calibration feature called "YPAO" and offers excellent audio and video switching capabilities. I have absolutely come to a conclusion that for it's price of $699, it is unbeatable when used as a prepro alone. It came away better than the few Rotels and Outlaws I have tested this receiver against. To find a comparable prepro you will have to shell out at least 1-3K more to find everything that the 1400 as a prepro.
Now, is the sound on the dedicated prepro that much more better than say the 1400? Not IMHO but I also know that sound is a very relative subject and to someone's ear, there might be a vast difference but to my ears, the difference was not worth the cost of a dedicated prepro.
So back to the 1400. If someone pays $699 and uses half the receiver only as a prepro then they are wasting $350 on the amp section. Now unless they make prepros of the calibre of the 1400 and sell them for $350 I can assure you that many of us here can afford to take that hit because on the flip side of things, we would still be saving money on the prepro we did not buy to begin with.
I recently did a comparison of the 1400 and the Denon 3805 with a well respected prepro and the 1400 and the 3805 did exceptionally well as prepros. I thought the dedicated prepro did better on music but the 1400/3805 were not shabby at all. To get good music performance, one can always go the 2 channel preamp route and still save money and get the best of both worlds.
Smoke, you have twenty four (24) hours to leave town or agree with me (sheriff) or face the posse. (LOLOLOLOL)

Sir Terrence the Terrible
06-30-2004, 04:21 PM
This is a flashback, and I am out of here!!!

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Worf101
06-30-2004, 05:27 PM
Smoke... sounds like a challenge to me. Either run, like a low down scrufolous toad with your tail twixt your legs... Or, be a man, honor the "code of the west". Come out firin' with both guns blazing. Fire every shot you got then throw the pistol at em!!!! We on the sidelines will be chucklin' and passin' the bottle and popcorn.

Da Worfster :D

Smokey
06-30-2004, 07:42 PM
This is a flashback, and I am out of here!!!

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How far do you think you can away with legs alone TT?

As you can see, I have pedal to the metal :D


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We on the sidelines will be chucklin' and passin' the bottle and popcorn.

You Philistine :D

Nick, I agree with you that the Yamaha unit have a killer pre/pro, and I don't have problem with you recommending it as whole (given that buyer doesn't add an amp). So for $699, that is a terrific buy.

It is the added amp section of advice that we get into murky water.

You have to realize that if we add an amp to 1400, the price will not be $699 any more, but rather much more (probably more like $1200 total). You already have said yourself that dedicated pre/pro sounded better on the music than Yamaha 1400 and the Denon 3805 :)

So the question now becomes could buyer buy a separate pre/pro and an amp for $1200 that can outperform the combinations of 1400 and an amp system as a whole?

And what ever your answer is, I am still running away....ahem...driving away LOLO

nick4433
06-30-2004, 10:11 PM
"This is a flashback, and I am out of here!!!"
(Sir TT, the human sprinkler system) LOLOLOL!

Smokey, yes you have to add the cost of an amp to that but my solution was primarily designed for those looking to buy a prepro at a good cost and not for those that would be intent on a receiver alone. So if you were in the market for reasonably priced seperates you could get the 1400 and add a decent amp such as the Outlaw or Sherbourn and experience Nirvana.

Smokey
07-01-2004, 09:02 PM
Hey Nick

I checked on power capability of Yamaha 1400 (170W x 7 DIN; 110W x 7 RMS), and that is nothing to sneeze at. The buyer will probably won't need to add an amp since Yamaha's power amp is pretty capable.....unless they want to blow down the house :D

nick4433
07-02-2004, 07:42 AM
"I checked on power capability of Yamaha 1400 (170W x 7 DIN; 110W x 7 RMS), and that is nothing to sneeze at. The buyer will probably won't need to add an amp since Yamaha's power amp is pretty capable.....unless they want to blow down the house "

And you believe in those ratings? How about those amps really performing at 35-40 watts with all channels driven? Now don't be such a hard nut to crack but then again, you can't change some things! (LOLOLOL)