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frenchmon
06-26-2012, 05:03 AM
If one was to go to Grant Fidelity's home page they have the slogan

"High End, Not High Priced".:biggrin5:

They have some speaker that carry their own name

"Grant Fidelity RBS-1 Reference Morel Bookshelf Speakers".


Here is Grant Fidelity's price. $2,200.00

http://grantfidelity.com/site/files/RBS-1%20FRONT.jpg

Grant Fidelity RBS-1 Reference Morel Bookshelf Speakers (http://shop.grantfidelity.com/Grant-Fidelity-RBS-1-Reference-Morel-Bookshelf-Speakers.html)


I found the same speakers which is really made by Jungson Audio in China,using Morel woofers and tweeters, and being offered up by a company called "New York Sound" which charges you a price for the gear, gives you a shipping price for the product, and then has Jungson ship direct from China to your door.

They do not try to sell you the BS like Grant Fidelity, who has marketing spin and a huge mark up in price.

Here is New York Sound's price..$848.00 a pair and shipping from China to your door $289.78 for a total of $1137.78

http://images.nysound.com/products/classified/jus/jus-2424-01001-p.jpg

New York Sound Online HiFi Store (http://www.nysound.com/exec/servlet/CategoryServlet?action=productdetail&itemID=jus-2424-01001&formID=0)

Thats a difference of $1106.32 for the same speaker.

So much for Grant Fidelity and his slogan of "High End, Not High Priced".

bobsticks
06-26-2012, 06:22 AM
Well, clearly there's unseen administrative costs and a wage disparity to be accounted for. :frown2:

It is a nice looking speaker though.

Feanor
06-26-2012, 08:38 AM
If one was to go to Grant Fidelity's home page they have the slogan

"High End, Not High Priced".:biggrin5:

They have some speaker that carry their own name

"Grant Fidelity RBS-1 Reference Morel Bookshelf Speakers".

Here is Grant Fidelity's price. $2,200.00

[... great picture here ...]
...

I found the same speakers which is really made by Jungson Audio in China,using Morel woofers and tweeters, and being offered up by a company called "New York Sound" which charges you a price for the gear, gives you a shipping price for the product, and then has Jungson ship direct from China to your door.

They do not try to sell you the BS like Grant Fidelity, who has marketing spin and a huge mark up in price.

Here is New York Sound's price..$848.00 a pair and shipping from China to your door $289.78 for a total of $1137.78
...

New York Sound Online HiFi Store (http://www.nysound.com/exec/servlet/CategoryServlet?action=productdetail&itemID=jus-2424-01001&formID=0)

Thats a difference of $1106.32 for the same speaker.
]So much for Grant Fidelity and his slogan of "High End, Not High Priced".
Another lesson in the advantages of eliminating the middleman.

Then again, does GF offer a better warranty or service?

Are those prices each or per pair? Great looking speaker.

frenchmon
06-26-2012, 10:13 AM
It per pair. There is a guy over at audiokarma that has a set he purchased from GF and loves them.

Feanor
06-26-2012, 02:10 PM
It per pair. There is a guy over at audiokarma that has a set he purchased from GF and loves them.
From China, the price is a steal. I've priced building a pair DIY using Morel drives and half-decent components and the cost would have exceeded $1200, shipped.

Morel drivers in general have a great reputation.

RGA
06-26-2012, 06:59 PM
I'm not a big fan of the sound of their 2-way speakers regardless of the price. It was either this one or the MBS that I heard.

Grant Fidelity does have this problem from time to time with their products because virtually everything they sell is made in China (err it's all made in China) but the designs are NOT original or exclusive to GF Some of them are like their W30 integrated and the Rita - although there are similar looking amps to the Rita they are not the same.

But you need to be careful with the looks. To be fair consider the LS3/5a. I am reviewing an $1800 Audio Space model but you can buy a $600 model from Gini Systems which also makes Audio Space. They look the same - they both follow the original design but there is a big quality difference in the cabinet and drivers and there is a big result in sonic differences too. The GF version uses very different drivers and clearly are not remotely like the original designs.

So with the above GF versus non GF version it would be important to get the details on the specifics if possible and a look inside at the actual drivers wiring cabinet materials.

That said the DAC-09 I reviewed had various cheaper alternatives that were identical - but no warranty or support.

I also notice that Grant Fidelity does a lot more importing and keeping the Chinese names in place. I suspect they used the GF name when they started due to the anti-Chinese sentiment. Now that China has proven to make better sounding products and better built products than most of the American brands and for less money they can bring in the Chinese makes more easily.

I can't fault them - they're up front about their products being made in China - not everyone is - they put a "Made in America" sticker on the front and it's made in China. My Chinese built Rotel has a little British sticker on it. Really?

iGrant
06-27-2012, 02:51 PM
If one was to go to Grant Fidelity's home page they have the slogan

"High End, Not High Priced".:biggrin5:

They have some speaker that carry their own name

"Grant Fidelity RBS-1 Reference Morel Bookshelf Speakers".


Here is Grant Fidelity's price. $2,200.00

http://grantfidelity.com/site/files/RBS-1%20FRONT.jpg

Grant Fidelity RBS-1 Reference Morel Bookshelf Speakers (http://shop.grantfidelity.com/Grant-Fidelity-RBS-1-Reference-Morel-Bookshelf-Speakers.html)


I found the same speakers which is really made by Jungson Audio in China,using Morel woofers and tweeters, and being offered up by a company called "New York Sound" which charges you a price for the gear, gives you a shipping price for the product, and then has Jungson ship direct from China to your door.

They do not try to sell you the BS like Grant Fidelity, who has marketing spin and a huge mark up in price.

Here is New York Sound's price..$848.00 a pair and shipping from China to your door $289.78 for a total of $1137.78

http://images.nysound.com/products/classified/jus/jus-2424-01001-p.jpg

New York Sound Online HiFi Store (http://www.nysound.com/exec/servlet/CategoryServlet?action=productdetail&itemID=jus-2424-01001&formID=0)

Thats a difference of $1106.32 for the same speaker.

So much for Grant Fidelity and his slogan of "High End, Not High Priced".

Our RBS-1 costs more than that landed in NA. The Jungson version of the speaker sounds dramatically different. Those into mid-fi might like the Jungson version. We spent over 2 years reworking the voicing of the crossover and the cabinet to get what we feel is something you would need to spend $5k to $10k to get similar performance for both audiophile home and studio use. That is 'High-End, not High-Priced.

Jungson also build our MBS-1 and LS3/5A speakers, they have their own versions of those as well, again the GF sound dramatically different and cater to the High-End listener and studio owner.

Jungson is an excellent company that is second none for Solid State amplification, no one on this side of the pond is going to improve on their SS amps.

Ian Grant

bobsticks
06-27-2012, 06:25 PM
Thanks for the explanation Ian. That puts some things into perspective.

frenchmon
06-28-2012, 01:03 AM
Thanks for the clarification... $5k to $10k to get similar performance? Can you send RGA a pair for review in his magazine over at Dagogo - A Unique Audiophile Experience (http://www.dagogo.com?)

frenchmon
06-28-2012, 01:16 AM
Hi Ian.....this is what you said

" Those into mid-fi might like the Jungson version. We spent over 2 years reworking the voicing of the crossover and the cabinet to get what we feel is something you would need to spend $5k to $10k to get similar performance "

Now I've heard many hi-fi-ish sounding speakers as well as amps in my life time. So I know what that sounds like. But when one goes beyond hi-fi-ish or mid-fi-ish audio you really have something special in a product and you know its not just hi-fi-ish but reference quality. You've stated that your RBS-1's are beyond mid-fi- by your tweeking of the crossovers and boxes. So due to the tweeking, can you tell us what that is and discribe for us whats special about the RBS-1 thats Reference above the original Chinese design ?