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RGA
02-24-2012, 04:30 AM
I get a kick out of the guy

My favorite Bill Mahar monologue - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4mUf3izkUY&feature=related)

TheHills44060
02-24-2012, 05:07 AM
Absolutely. I watch Real Time every weekend. The first time I remember seeing him was in some B movies on the USA channel during their Up All Night series hosted by Gilbert Gottfried and Rhonda Shear. Maher was hilarious even back then.

Feanor
02-24-2012, 12:10 PM
I get a kick out of the guy

My favorite Bill Mahar monologue - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4mUf3izkUY&feature=related)
I kinda like him. But then you've got to ask yourself, really! how hard is it to lampoon religious people and Republicans? (Just too damned easy.)

RGA
02-28-2012, 02:47 AM
This is only meant as a joke and is not an attack on religious people in any way - but not worth a new thread.

Colbert and Carrell Why Atheists laugh at christians and muslims - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGhv58OhrE)

And this one from Rowan Atkinson I've always loved. Please don't be offended Atheists

Rowan Atkinson Live - The devil Toby welcomes you to hell - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DSNL1BEeY)

Ajani
02-28-2012, 04:39 AM
I generally find bill amusing, though I do find he focuses on attacking religion far too much. He's basically the Jehovah's witness of atheism - always knocking on the door seeking converts.

Also, despite his claims that atheism is all about science, it is not. Being certain that there is no god is faith. Science shows that there is no proof of either the existence or non-existence of god. Therefore the only scientific stance is that we have no fraking idea whether there is a god.

Feanor
02-28-2012, 05:54 AM
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Also, despite his claims that atheism is all about science, it is not. Being certain that there is no god is faith. Science shows that there is no proof of either the existence or non-existence of god. Therefore the only scientific stance is that we have no fraking idea whether there is a god.
Yes, atheism isn't a matter of science; science doesn't really address the existence of god(s) since he/she/it/they aren't amenable to quantification.

I refer to myself as an atheist, but I agreed from an epistemological perspective that the existence of god(s) cannot be disproved. But there have never been any compelling proofs of the existence of god(s) either, nor any objective evidence, so I, (like Richard Dawkins for example), consider the non-existence of god(s) to be far more probable.

And all that is even without considering the real discord & harm that religion causes.

bobsticks
02-28-2012, 08:14 AM
I generally find bill amusing, though I do find he focuses on attacking religion far too much. He's basically the Jehovah's witness of atheism - always knocking on the door seeking converts.

Also, despite his claims that atheism is all about science, it is not. Being certain that there is no god is faith. Science shows that there is no proof of either the existence or non-existence of god. Therefore the only scientific stance is that we have no fraking idea whether there is a god.

I like Maher in the same way...I reconcile my appreciation of his ironic comedic bent with the fact that very little of his material, atheistic or not, is based on facts.

Feanor
02-29-2012, 06:21 AM
This is only meant as a joke and is not an attack on religious people in any way - but not worth a new thread.

Colbert and Carrell Why Atheists laugh at christians and muslims - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGhv58OhrE)

And this one from Rowan Atkinson I've always loved. Please don't be offended Atheists

Rowan Atkinson Live - The devil Toby welcomes you to hell - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DSNL1BEeY)
I don't have a problem ridiculing religious people; (some might have noticed). They are, after all, people snared by superstition and irrationality in at least part of their lives: this can good for society or contribute to solving the world's problems. Then again some atheists can be quite irrational at times too

RGA
03-09-2012, 03:19 AM
This one is just wow - wow. :sosp: Bill Maher New Rule From Elites to Jesus - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=783fvkxckKo&feature=related)

Zephyr!
03-16-2012, 03:47 AM
He just had a great standup special on Yahoo - you can still catch it on there.

bobsticks
03-16-2012, 06:37 AM
I've had a good time watching Maher squirm during this latest Rush limbaugh scandal. Kind of difficult to call Rush's mysogeny to task after having called Sarah Palin a c*** and a t***. It must be killing him... :D

RGA
03-16-2012, 07:05 AM
The difference is "Sarah Palin a c*** and a t***"

Truth is Bill's defense.:devil:

As I am not in the States - is Rush's show a cable show - (ie - you pay for his show?)

bobsticks
03-16-2012, 07:37 AM
The difference is "Sarah Palin a c*** and a t***"

Truth is Bill's defense.:devil:

As I am not in the States - is Rush's show a cable show - (ie - you pay for his show?)

I have no idea what Rush's dealio is like...you couldn't pay me enough, y'know. It's been a bit of sticky wicket down here though because of the perceived hypocrisy.

People tend to forget that Maher is a comedian. Jon Stewart and Dennis Miller have also fallen victim to this as folks tend to stray from concepts like hyperbole and shock value.

Maher's problem is that he was non-specific. Had he included words like "fascist" or "lying" or a phrase like "hates poor/brown people" everyone would have just shrugged and moved on about their day. Limbaugh's major malfunction lies in that he had a meltdown on a defenseless target

Auricauricle
03-16-2012, 10:49 PM
(Handing out Ouzo, bread and olive oil) Great discussion here, folks....Dang, I fergot my friggin' toga again!

RGA
03-17-2012, 03:43 AM
Bill was on about Palin fore the day one - so why only now with Rush are they mentioning Maher? LOL

Bill Maher Rips Palin On Hardball! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k5DRdImbrE&feature=related)

RGA
03-17-2012, 04:03 AM
Bill Maher Thanks Teabaggers and Sarah Palin(TOO FUNNY) - 3/26/10 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsMFN9P8AU&feature=related)

RGA
03-20-2012, 01:34 AM
Maybe I should just pretend to be religious - much safer

Soldier Allegedly Murdered For Being An Atheist | Addicting Info (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/16/soldier-allegedly-murdered-for-being-an-atheist/)

bobsticks
03-20-2012, 04:58 AM
That's an interesting, if not hyperbolic, article RGA. I was more interested in this (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/19/another-cheap-shot-at-sandra-fluke/) piece which while correctly identifying a fallacious argument still managed to miss the point. Kind of amateurish, don't you think?

Feanor
03-20-2012, 05:12 AM
Maybe I should just pretend to be religious - much safer

Soldier Allegedly Murdered For Being An Atheist | Addicting Info (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/16/soldier-allegedly-murdered-for-being-an-atheist/)
I do have the feeling that most religious (in North America) would favour a person of any other religion over an atheist or agnostic.

People "of faith" that I speak to are unable to comprehend that I don't want to believe or seek spirituality. I observe that this makes them suspect that I some way I am a deficient or even dangerous person.

RGA
04-05-2012, 11:56 PM
Feanor

This is a pretty good film about a guy who was brought up as an ultra Christian, and figured out it was total B.S. Notes the big historical problems with the religion. It's laughable.

The God Who Wasn't There on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/5861220)

Auricauricle
04-06-2012, 01:39 AM
Feanor

This is a pretty good film about a guy who was brought up as an ultra Christian, and figured out it was total B.S. Notes the big historical problems with the religion. It's laughable.

The God Who Wasn't There on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/5861220)


Gee--I thought it was The Man Without a Faith...!

Feanor
04-06-2012, 05:09 AM
Feanor

This is a pretty good film about a guy who was brought up as an ultra Christian, and figured out it was total B.S. Notes the big historical problems with the religion. It's laughable.

The God Who Wasn't There on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/5861220)
Looks like there's a lot of been there, done that for me; (I'll finish watching later).

My mother was a devout Protestant Christian all her life, and in my childhood my most influential religious instructor. (My father was agnostic.) To her credit, she was never a science denier, nor was she ever a Bible literalist. Later in life she began to doubt e.g. virgin birth, be she never ceased to believe in God.

I guess I was always a natural skeptic. I don't thing my agnostic father was much of an influence because he seldom bothered to contradict my mother. But I tell this story. When I was very young I believed in God and Santa Claus. When I reached a certain age I realized that Santa Claus didn't really exist; (my mother admitted that the fat guy in the red suit wasn't really but that Santa Claus ought to be understood as the "spirit of giving").

It just a few years after that, (maybe I was 8 or so), I wondered if Santa Claus doesn't exist, maybe God doesn't exist!?! That was in as much as there was not tangible evidence of God any more that Santa. When I talked my mother about it, she assured me that Santa and God were quite different and, of course, God existed. Despite her assurance, that's when serious doubt began for me.

RGA
04-06-2012, 06:04 AM
Feanor

I have no problems with people believing in something nebulous like God - it's the religions that scare me. If people wish to believe in some sort of Soul that lives on in some fashion after death - no big deal to me.

The film is an hour but it is when he gets to the point where he says "I was this guy I believed all those things I used to be a fundamentalist... is for me the "hope" that others will dump religion in its face. It's been so horrendously wrong for so long and they deny evidence - irrefutable evidence on a number of things that scares me. The people chosen to run the world have to believe in sheer and utter nonsense. And this is a little more important than whether someone believes they can hear the difference between SS amps or interconnect cables. Get that wrong who cares - but killing people cause my God can beat up your God is nuts.

RGA
04-06-2012, 06:26 AM
Bill Maher - The mass delusion - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95iRvZOtUWA&feature=related)

RGA
04-06-2012, 06:47 AM
Not Maher but George Carlin did it so well George Carlin on Religion and God - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo&feature=related)

Mash
04-06-2012, 10:49 AM
Methinks this discussion belongs in the "cables" section.....

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RGA
04-08-2012, 05:52 PM
And they wonder why we worry about the so-called moral C

Ban on Gideon Bible handout at public schools sparks torrent of hate mail - Yahoo! News Canada (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/ban-gideon-bible-handout-public-schools-sparks-torrent-100007435.html)

Mash
04-09-2012, 10:31 AM
Not like these gun-toting Americans... mmmm well.... threatening someone toting a gun can backfire

Feanor
04-09-2012, 12:35 PM
Not like these gun-toting Americans... mmmm well.... threatening someone toting a gun can backfire
As Trayvon discovered ... or so Mr. Zimerman would have us believe.

Mash
04-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead...

It is nice to be nice and it is nice to be right, but it is not nice to be dead right.

Don't worry about Trayvon and Zimerman .... None of us can sort that out.

RGA
04-10-2012, 07:27 PM
Conservative Politics, 'Low-Effort' Thinking Linked In New Study (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/07/conservative-politics-low-effort-thinking_n_1410448.html?ir=Politics)

RGA
06-24-2012, 04:53 AM
:)

Bill Maher Slams GOP: 'You Act Exactly Like 14-Year-Old Boys' (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/23/bill-maher-slams-gop-you-act-like-14-year-old-boys_n_1621182.html)

Robert-The-Rambler
06-24-2012, 06:01 AM
He is smart and funny and hangs out at the Playboy Mansion. I envy and respect him.

Feanor
06-24-2012, 10:25 AM
:)

Bill Maher Slams GOP: 'You Act Exactly Like 14-Year-Old Boys' (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/23/bill-maher-slams-gop-you-act-like-14-year-old-boys_n_1621182.html)
"Be a giant dick; there is not step 2". Sounds about right.

Ideology of conservatism? Self-righteousness & greed will solve all our problems.

RGA
06-24-2012, 08:18 PM
You forget they have absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever. Stephen Colbert on The O'Reilly Factor - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QquTUR9nbC4)

Then again O'Reilly is making millions on generating fear, paranoia and hate - but boy is he just stupid or what?

Jon Stewart Exposes Bill O'Reilly's Stupidity on Bill-O's Own Show.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iniX9rmpE2s&feature=related)

Feanor
06-25-2012, 09:32 AM
You forget they have absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever. Stephen Colbert on The O'Reilly Factor - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QquTUR9nbC4)

Then again O'Reilly is making millions on generating fear, paranoia and hate - but boy is he just stupid or what?

Jon Stewart Exposes Bill O'Reilly's Stupidity on Bill-O's Own Show.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iniX9rmpE2s&feature=related)
It's not complicated.

Fox News is operated by and for moneyed interests, (in the first instance, Australian, Rupert Murdoch), who don't give a crap about the USA or any place else.

OTOH, most Americans aren't rich people who don't give a pooh about their country. BUT a great many Americans believe in the American Myth, (even though they sense it is crumbling), are religiously bigoted, and fear any and every sort of change. How is the minute minority of cynical rich people going to co-opt a majority of fearful bigots to support them politically???

By flogging fear, paranoia, and hatred. Dah!!!

It eludes a lot of people that there is no inherent affiliation between, "economic conservatism", (more specifically the narrow interests of the ultra-rich), and social conservatism. The great skill of the Republican Party has been to forge an alliance between the two -- which might ultimately prove tenuous.

bobsticks
06-26-2012, 06:54 AM
I tend to gravitate more toward Stewart over Maher if only because he tends to be a bit more balanced and certainly more accurate with facts. i loved the confrontation with O'Reilly and his flogging of CNN is the stuff legends are made of.

RGA
07-01-2012, 04:05 PM
:smilewinkgrin:

LeoFenderBender
07-01-2012, 08:58 PM
He is an idiot.

Feanor
07-02-2012, 06:08 AM
He is an idiot.
Compared to who? Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? Sean Hannity? Sarah Palin -- at least Maher didn't run for VP

E-Stat
07-02-2012, 09:39 AM
:smilewinkgrin:
Apparently, Realtime is unaware of the many tax increases levied by Obamacare. He really needs to do his homework better!

Hidden taxes under Obamacare (http://www.taxabletalk.com/2012/07/01/its-a-tax-what-obamacare-means-for-you/)

Feanor
07-02-2012, 11:44 AM
Apparently, Realtime is unaware of the many tax increases levied by Obamacare. He really needs to do his homework better!

Hidden taxes under Obamacare (http://www.taxabletalk.com/2012/07/01/its-a-tax-what-obamacare-means-for-you/)
Tax on indoor tanning? Really? How is this sensible measure grounds to criticize the ACA? Then again, who cares.

What the USA really needs isn't just another layer of complexity on top of its already grotesque for-profit health care system. This approach is virtually bound tomake things more expensive result in inequities.

The USA needs is a universal, single payer system like, say, Canada's -- or like Medicare. Probably Medicare should be extended to the whole population. Would it be more expensive than the current system? Certainly not, though the incidence of cost might be a little different.

E-Stat, you're great, (really great), at finding criticisms and objections, but rarely have any positive suggestions. You come across as a begrudgin' curmudgeon.

E-Stat
07-02-2012, 12:56 PM
really[/I] great), at finding criticisms and objections, but rarely have any positive suggestions.
There has never been popular approval for this elephantine legislation. While I don't have any magic bullets for this problem or for World Peace, the ACA is not the answer.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather begin by attacking those factors which increase cost already - not pile more on top of them.

The greatest financial impact of the many regressive taxes included will be upon the working class guy.

LeoFenderBender
07-03-2012, 07:33 PM
Compared to who? Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? Sean Hannity? Sarah Palin -- at least Maher didn't run for VP

You are a classic troll. Looks like you want to be an idiot too.

Feanor
07-04-2012, 04:13 AM
You are a classic troll. Looks like you want to be an idiot too.
Well as you point out, you're "nobody special". :ciappa:

RGA
07-26-2012, 09:12 AM
What they do not what they say...

RGA
07-28-2012, 04:37 PM
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RGA
08-17-2012, 05:42 PM
HBO - Real Time with Bill Maher Blog - Paul Maul * (http://www.real-time-with-bill-maher-blog.com/real-time-with-bill-maher-blog/2012/8/17/paul-maul.html)

TheHills44060
08-18-2012, 05:17 AM
Bill's real time is back on after summer break. Got rid of my HBO so i'll have to download last night's episode.

RGA
08-18-2012, 10:17 AM
Whaaaaat?

So why is adding 1-2% tax tot he top 1% a problem - it would still be a lot less % than the middle class pay?

RGA
08-18-2012, 04:42 PM
And the right wingers are worried about Obamacare - at least with lefty spending 99% of the public GET SERVICES they can actually use.

The alternative is lack of service and rich people getting rich and young poor, usually African American, Americans get placed in body bags.

RGA
08-19-2012, 05:12 PM
Republicans are tools

RGA
08-19-2012, 11:35 PM
Oh lordy lordy lordy lordy...

bobsticks
08-20-2012, 08:59 AM
I've noticed you haven't attached anything having to do with Maher's claim that Voter ID Laws will disenfranchise 25% of African Americans...a dubious number if ever I've heard one.

RGA
08-21-2012, 01:21 PM
As requested

Bill Maher Hits Republicans for Voter ID Laws in New Rules Segment | Video Cafe (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-maher-hits-republicans-voter-id-laws-in)

bobsticks
08-22-2012, 07:03 PM
Yeah, see that's where I run into a problem...because, well, it's not true. There's nothing prohibitive about the Pennsylvania law over and above reaching in one's pocket...they've included the option of receiving a Voter's Card at the time of registration for free.

Now, it's my understanding that there may well be some scurrilous things going on in Ohio but, see, those potentially real issues aren't addressed when people make stuff up to bolster in ideological position.

RGA
08-24-2012, 01:25 AM
hmmmmm

RGA
08-24-2012, 02:57 PM
Bill's new rule

New Rule: If your entire party tries to get rid of you, and you stay in, you can't talk about how easy it is for a woman to push a stupid prick out of her body.

I don't want to waste another second thinking about Todd Akin, and his theory that you can't get pregnant unless your eggs are asking for it. Here's the only thing you need to know about Todd Akin and human anatomy: he's an *******. What I want to talk about is how it's not a coincidence that the party of fundamentalism is also the party of fantasy. When I say religion is a mental illness, this is what I mean: it corrodes your mental faculties to the point where you can believe in tiny ninja warriors who hide in vaginas and lie in wait for bad people's sperm.

Evangelicals might like to pretend that the magical thinking that they indulge in at home doesn't affect what they do at the office, but it absolutely does. The brain that believes in angels and miracles and Jesus riding a dinosaur is trained to see the world not as it is, but as you want it to be.

Republicans would like to pretend like Congressman Akin's substitution of superstition for science is a lone problem but it's not: they're all magical thinkers, on nearly every issue. They don't get their answers on climate change from climatologists, they get them from the Book of Genesis. Hence Sharia Law in America is a dire threat, and global warming a hoax.

continued.... Bill Maher: My New Rule for Todd Akin and the Republican Party (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/todd-akin-republicans_b_1826617.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=909957,b=facebook)

Feanor
08-26-2012, 05:43 AM
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Republicans would like to pretend like Congressman Akin's substitution of superstition for science is a lone problem but it's not: they're all magical thinkers, on nearly every issue. They don't get their answers on climate change from climatologists, they get them from the Book of Genesis. Hence Sharia Law in America is a dire threat, and global warming a hoax.
...
Amen to all this. But I've got that there is no more "magic" anywhere than the fantasies that Republicans are fiscally responsible or that supply side economics is suddenly going to fix the economy after 30 years of failure.

bobsticks
08-27-2012, 04:28 PM
Amen to all this. But I've got that there is no more "magic" anywhere than the fantasies that Republicans are fiscally responsible or that supply side economics is suddenly going to fix the economy after 30 years of failure.

While I'll happily agree Akin should be escorted to the door for that long walk away, to imply that supply side economics has legitimately been a part of the American experience is a non sequitur.

Feanor
08-27-2012, 05:01 PM
While I'll happily agree Akin should be escorted to the door for that long walk away, to imply that supply side economics has legitimately been a part of the American experience is a non sequitur.
No, I wouldn't say "legitimate", but it has been part of the American experience since the Reagan era, and it is certainly the main plank of the Republican economic platform today.

bobsticks
08-27-2012, 05:12 PM
No, I wouldn't say "legitimate", but it has been part of the American experience since the Reagan era, and it is certainly the main plank of the Republican economic platform today.

In words but not in deed...markets are either free or they're not.

Feanor
08-28-2012, 04:14 AM
In words but not in deed...markets are either free or they're not.
That statement is so general as to be worthless.

So, what are you trying to say? That the USA didn't have Supply Side economics because there was ... what? Supply Side doesn't presume hands-off government; on the contrary, it presumes government action, e.g. tax laws, restrictions on unions, etc., that favor the rich and corporations.

The USA has never had pure laissez faire capitalism; mostly it has had government activism in favor of business interests. There have been brief episodes where the activism has leaned the other way, but you haven't seen the least bit of that in over a generation.

RGA
09-02-2012, 10:25 PM
this does seem odd

Feanor
09-03-2012, 04:32 AM
this does seem odd
Odd?!? :lol::lol::lol: Hardly. (RGA, you're so ironic. :biggrin5:)

Republican candidates won't be elected without spreading a thick layer of gross distortions and outright lies -- and they're enthusiastic to do it. Sweeping these Bush regime guys under the carpet is a key part of that strategy.

Some Americans are indignant when I say that fascism is a real danger in their country. But they need to realized that fascism works by appealing to ignorance, bigotry, and fear and suppressing truth & reason. This is what we're seeing south of the border now -- thank goodness that Romney is non-charismatic: that might have been the keystone factor.

RGA
10-29-2012, 07:22 AM
Oct 26 New rules

Bill Maher Warns Voters: If You Elect Romney, - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y0aydhFHNE&feature=share)

RGA
10-29-2012, 07:40 AM
Even W went to a real school

Romney graduated from looney tunes academy

Bill Maher: Liberty University Is Not A Real University - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPqlPMoWGw&feature=related)

Feanor
10-29-2012, 08:54 AM
Even W went to a real school

Romney graduated from looney tunes academy

Bill Maher: Liberty University Is Not A Real University - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPqlPMoWGw&feature=related)
Yeah, Maher real nails it sometimes.

RGA
10-29-2012, 03:00 PM
didn't want to put it in a different thread

E-Stat
10-29-2012, 03:22 PM
And the right wingers are worried about Obamacare - at least with lefty spending 99% of the public GET SERVICES they can actually use.
Obama has clearly done a better job with increasing debt. He's done in four years what it took Bush eight years and the worst case of terrorism on US soil to do so. Bravo!

BTW, I thought comedians like Maher were supposed to be funny. That's their job, right? He just comes across as a bitter old man.

E-Stat
10-29-2012, 03:32 PM
Even W went to a real school

Romney graduated from looney tunes academy
Hmmm. Bill Gates didn't even graduate from college.

So, how well has your education gotten you financially? Is that why you are an English teacher?

RGA
10-29-2012, 04:51 PM
Not everyone associates success with money. One can be hugely financially successful without an education(most athletes) which is proved time and again. That however wasn't the point about Liberty U masquerading as a "real" educational institution. And that was hugely funny for those of us with sardonic senses of humor.

E-Stat
10-29-2012, 05:39 PM
Not everyone associates success with money.
So, who is the villain behind the constant class warfare whining that you (and especially) Bill speak of? Since you're Canadian, it can't be the eveeel American Republicans.

Is it Snidely Whiplash? Who?

RGA
10-29-2012, 05:55 PM
Bill - do you mean Feanor or Maher? Maher is a multi-multi millionaire. Being wealthy or poor doesn't make you good or evil nor does being wealthy or poor make you "saintly."

Class warfare arguably has some roots in associating "success" with wealth, hard work, and the middle class and poor with "lesser thans" as human beings. Some rich people like Mitt Romney are like that while some rich people like Warren Buffett are not.

I am not out ripping $500k Stereo systems or people who buy Bugatti automobiles. On a "what's good for everyone level" it's probably not the best way to use the world's resources (ie; that money could save a lot of people a lot of misery) but on an individual level most people in that money bracket do a lot of good they could not do if they didn't have the money and if I were them I might do the same thing - so no stone throwing in glass houses.

Feanor
10-29-2012, 06:58 PM
So, who is the villain behind the constant class warfare whining that you (and especially) Bill speak of? Since you're Canadian, it can't be the eveeel American Republicans.

Is it Snidely Whiplash? Who?
Canadians are acutely aware and sensitive to what goes on in the USA -- it would be stupid not to be because we are deeply affected by what happens there.

Class warfare began over thirty years ago around the time Reagan came to office. Simply put, it was/is the policy of Supply-side economics, Trickle-down, or as I call it, "Bribe the rich": a tax, regulatory, legal, and political system by and for the super rich. What has changed recently is that people are becoming aware of this class warfare. Those who are promoting this awareness are accused of creating class warfare, but this is precisely untrue.

"Fairness" is an issue when there is ever income disparity between the wealthy 1% and the rest of the population -- and especially the very wealthy, the 0.1% -- an increasing portion in frank poverty, a declining median income, and the fact that ALL the economic improvement in the last 30 years has gone to < 20% of the population and most of that to < 1%. However apart from "fairness", there is compelling evidence that greater income disparities harm the economy as a whole.

Right now I'm reading a book by a Nobel Laureate that argues the case against gross inequality very effectively (to the open minded). Joseph Stiglitz: The Price of Inequality. Get past the notion that it's just ordinary folks, (presumably like RGA and me), begrudging the success of the wealthy & successful, (presumably like you).

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E-Stat
10-29-2012, 08:04 PM
Bill - do you mean Feanor or Maher?
The other one who whines here.


... or people who buy Bugatti automobiles.
Only Rollers, right? :)

RGA
10-29-2012, 10:41 PM
Ah Romney

I love how people blather about the debt as if it even matters it's to the point where it's just a white noise of impossible to ever pay numbers at this point.

It's the fact that there are two choices - the Sane (Obama) or the nutbag whackadoodle Romney.

4 Ways Mitt Romney Botched His Hurricane Sandy Response | Addicting Info (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/29/romney-botched-hurricane-sandy/?fb_action_ids=4866684261861%2C4866575499142&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=facebook)

RGA
11-03-2012, 09:21 PM
another Romney rip

Bill Maher: "Business Experience Does Not Make Someone A Good President" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEHQCGuD54s&feature=endscreen)

Bill Maher Rips Mitt Romney - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju8Ru4Gom0Q&feature=related)

The best one of the lot - Republicans being total hypocrites

Bill Maher: New Rules - Socialism - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rjYuaQ1Zho&feature=related)

RGA
11-03-2012, 09:48 PM
Bill Maher on the hypocrisy of evangelical christians. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XUebtJ_Jw&feature=related)

hmmmm :shocked: