SONY BDP-BX58 3D Blu-Ray player $160

[Mash]

I bought one of these BDP-BX58 units for the kitchen. I checked on the OPPO 95 but its quoted price had risen from $650 to $999. And the BDP-BX58 has Wi-Fi built in for Netflix, huluplus, vudu, PANDORA, etc. I wanted to stream internet FM to the kitchen, and the previous kitchen CD player had died. We have an 802.11 dual band high speed N router and high speed internet.

One problem (for me, in our kitchen) is that a TV screen is required for programming the BDP-BX58, so I will have to place a (retired) 30-in HD-Ready monitor in the kitchen. Good thing I kept it.

Meanwhile, I am presently using the BDP-BX58 only for playing CD's. I am used to the "sit in the dark and listen for the nuanced improvements" drill, but that was NOT required here. The first CD was CSN Greatest Hits intended as a casual test disc, and the increase in detailing immediately caught my attention. I easily heard additional "material" that simply was never presented before. The frequency extension was improved, but the increase in fine detailing was the standout improvement. This very significant improvement in detailing really did catch me unaware, as I never expected it.

[I had first tried a Musical Fidelity A2 CD player in the kitchen. This unit had seen very light use but it suddenly had a distorted channel. THAT was disappointing for an expensive CD player! But any way, the BDP-BX58 was a lot better.]

One odd thing is that often I can hear a soft click as the recorded material begins.

I use Mackie HR824 Mk2 with a Mackie HRS120 servosub in the kitchen because these speakers accept XLR Balanced and my interconnect run from the sources to the sub is 50 feet. 50 feet is far too long for unbalanced interconnects. More XLR's connect the sub to the HR824's. The BDP-BX58 proved that the Mackies are far more capable than I had ever previously thought.

The player seems a bit slow to read a disc, and the remote is very good but a little too sensitive. I can easily get a double request which, if you hit "open", promptly opens and then closes the tray.

So maybe you want to check out 3D Blu-Ray players for your CD's.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

One odd thing is that often I can hear a soft click as the recorded material begins.

Don't sweat that, it is just the player locking on to the bitstreamed data.



So maybe you want to check out 3D Blu-Ray players for your CD's.

:yikes: Are you insane? The audiophiles around here will lynch you if even nod to the fact that a Blu-ray player can playback CD's with good sound quality. You actually wrote it down on this forum, so you better run for your life!

If you think the Sony is good with music, you should hear the Pioneer players. Pioneers pays attention to its CD playback by including high end DAC's, and anti jitter processing.

[Mash]

Well, Sam's didn't have advanced Pioneer product that day, and I really wanted to check out the latest Blu-Ray 3D units. I am also enrolled in the Witless Protection Program.

[Poultrygeist]

I hope your wi-fi streams ok. I too have high speed internet and a router with extended range yet I couldn't stream wirelessly to my dongle equiped tv in the next room. I ended up hard wiring it.

[bfalls]

The BDP-BX58 is the equivalent to Sony's BDP-S580 player. I have the previous version the BDP-S570. I liked the player very well and it played CD/DVD/SACD without any issues.
The only problem I've had with it is it doesn't take voltage fluctuations very well. I had the unit plugged into a Monster HTS-2000 surge protector. A couple of months ago the power bounced up and down a few times during a storm. None of my other gear in the same protector had a problem, but the BDP-S570 blew a non-user serviceable fuse in the power supply. I could have replaced it, but it was still under warranty. Sony replaced the unit within a couple of weeks. My cost was $13 for return shipping.
Had it happened only once I wouldn't have mentioned it, but no more than five or six weeks later it happened again. Same situation, storms, power bounce, no player power-up. I suppose I can say I was lucky, because my warranty would have ended two days later. In an attempt to avoid this later, I've connected its power through a receiver to give it another level of detachment from the house power. With the heat wave going on there hasn't been any recent storms. I'll have to see how it does.
This was my only issue with it. While it was being repaired, I purchased an Oppo BDP-93 and now have it in my main system. To me the units are about the same on picture quality, nothing appears dramatically better. However the sound was much, much better. I played several Blu-ray movies, Captain and Commander, Ironman, Inception. All sounded much more dynamic, more realistic. Cannons sounded like real cannons, jet flyovers had you ducking your heads. One of the beginning scenes in Ironman where Robert Downey Jr was demonstrating the Stark Superweapon was incredible. You heard the multiple explosions off in the distance and could hear the wave coming toward then passing you to the rear. The detail from all the debris landing all around you was uncanny.
I'm still a fan of the Sony. It has many more net-based applications and does a very good job overall. I paid $160 for it last June thru Sony's Family Store. A great price at the time. Since it did fail on me twice I now have concerns about reliability. Anyone have a similar experience?

[Mash]

The SONY is susceptable to power fluctuation problems?

The SONY BX58 is "normally" powered at standby all the time, but I have this BX58 plugged into a switched power strip / surge which is also where everything else is plugged including the ART Tube MP Studio control units. {I see no reason that I should want to have tube equipment powered up all the time.} The Mackies are at the other end of the room.

I wondered about powering down the SONY at its wall plug, but maybe it is a good idea assuming the unit is not adversely affected by the power supply being powered up & down daily.

Not sure about the sound quality differences you mention. Maybe you could do some A-B tests & tell us about them.

[pixelthis]

Don't sweat that, it is just the player locking on to the bitstreamed data.




:yikes: Are you insane? The audiophiles around here will lynch you if even nod to the fact that a Blu-ray player can playback CD's with good sound quality. You actually wrote it down on this forum, so you better run for your life!

If you think the Sony is good with music, you should hear the Pioneer players. Pioneers pays attention to its CD playback by including high end DAC's, and anti jitter processing.

IF YOU can get away with the nonsense you type, then the
absolute idiotic startement that a videodisc player can
play CD will get by easily.
AFTER years of listening to cd on laser and DVD players I SPLURGED and bought a dedicated player. THIS actually kickstarted my love of music, the difference was amazing.
CD playback on a video machine is secondary, probably uses a single chip, if that much.
A 87 DOLLAR CD FIVE DISC CHANGER that I BOUGHT FOR A PARTY, beat the performance of my laserdisc quite handily.
FOR CD you need a dedicated player, even a cheap one will be better.
Add another to the massive list of facts that TALKY doesnt know.:1:

[bfalls]

IF YOU can get away with the nonsense you type, then the
absolute idiotic startement that a videodisc player can
play CD will get by easily.
AFTER years of listening to cd on laser and DVD players I SPLURGED and bought a dedicated player. THIS actually kickstarted my love of music, the difference was amazing.
CD playback on a video machine is secondary, probably uses a single chip, if that much.
A 87 DOLLAR CD FIVE DISC CHANGER that I BOUGHT FOR A PARTY, beat the performance of my laserdisc quite handily.
FOR CD you need a dedicated player, even a cheap one will be better.
Add another to the massive list of facts that TALKY doesnt know.:1:

How do you manage all the responsibility of always being right. It has to be such a burden for you. Until just now, I wasn't aware that any dedicated CD player, at any price, plays CDs better than any Laserdisc, DVD, or Blu-ray player ever made.

They must all play SACDs and HDCDs better as well. After all an SACD and HDCD are CDs. So by your statement every CD player can also play SACD and HDCD. Another PixieFact I wasn't aware of. I'm now inclined to read all your past postings for true enlightenment.

Can you support your statement with facts? Explain how even any entry level 8bit CD player without oversampling and limited instruction set can outplay today's high-bit and even multi-processor players?

Any other generalities you want to throw out there? Such as How all Asians look alike, or How it never rains in California, or How all aspirin is alike (sorry reference form an old aspirin commercial)? Is the world really that black and white for you? No gray areas? Or only when it comes to CDs?

Are you the Simon Cowell of AR who will say anything just to go against the flow. You're obviously just trying to get a rise out of Sir T. Can't you just state your experiences and impressions without being antagonistic? Before we know it you'll be pulling FA pigtails. Right now I bet you've got your fingers in your ears and yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA" so you can't hear what you don't want to. Try to be an asset to the Forum. Right now you're off by a couple of letters.

[Mash]

Oppo Digital lists this:

BDP-95 Universal Audiophile 3D Blu-ray Disc Player

Since the term " Universal Audiophile " is used in the naming of the BDP-95,
I presume P-T's complaint has been fully addressed...... for a mere $999.

Of course, I have never met a " Non-universal Audiophile " so I cannot be sure.

Then there is the detail of the " ES9018 SABRE 32-bit Reference DAC "

This is the first time ANY CD player has ever listed the "ES9018 SABRE 32-bit Reference DAC"

This gets murkier by the ...................

[BadAssJazz]

... you should hear the Pioneer players. Pioneers pays attention to its CD playback by including high end DAC's, and anti jitter processing.

I can confirm, having previously owned the Pioneer Elite SC-07 a/v receiver and BDP-23FD blu ray player combination. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the two performed with CD playback. If complete immersion is the goal, you won't land wide of the mark with some of PE's gear.

[pixelthis]

How do you manage all the responsibility of always being right. It has to be such a burden for you. Until just now, I wasn't aware that any dedicated CD player, at any price, plays CDs better than any Laserdisc, DVD, or Blu-ray player ever made.

They must all play SACDs and HDCDs better as well. After all an SACD and HDCD are CDs. So by your statement every CD player can also play SACD and HDCD. Another PixieFact I wasn't aware of. I'm now inclined to read all your past postings for true enlightenment.

Can you support your statement with facts? Explain how even any entry level 8bit CD player without oversampling and limited instruction set can outplay today's high-bit and even multi-processor players?

Any other generalities you want to throw out there? Such as How all Asians look alike, or How it never rains in California, or How all aspirin is alike (sorry reference form an old aspirin commercial)? Is the world really that black and white for you? No gray areas? Or only when it comes to CDs?

Are you the Simon Cowell of AR who will say anything just to go against the flow. You're obviously just trying to get a rise out of Sir T. Can't you just state your experiences and impressions without being antagonistic? Before we know it you'll be pulling FA pigtails. Right now I bet you've got your fingers in your ears and yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA" so you can't hear what you don't want to. Try to be an asset to the Forum. Right now you're off by a couple of letters.

SORRY, but saying that any sort of dedicated videodisc player
can manage CD playback without it sounding like little more
than an AM radio is common knowledge.
THE FACT that you do not know this is perhaps a sign of
a complete lack of any kind of knowledge on your part.
I EXPECT such nonsense from TALKY , but have always
thought a little better of you. I WILL REVISE my opinion
forthrightly.
AND IN AN EFFORT TO educate the ignorant, who acts like
a civil rights lawyer over a simple statement of fact, yes,
fool, there is NO SANTA CLAUSE. You want quality you have to pay for it.
THE FACT that videodisc players even play CD at all is only because of marketing, and its a cheap add on. AND SINCE
Joe Six usually listens through his TV and rarely uses the feature,
who cares?
Oppo and others that care have decent quality, and of course SACD and DVDA players have excellent sound of all types
of media, and the eight hundred dollar DVDA player I bought
eight years ago, still foolish enough to think the high res formats had a chance, is about the best player of any type I HAVE EVER LISTENED TO.
But a DVD player you pick up at the dollar store? Or WALMART?
Did you know(of course not) that when started, most BLU players
did not even play CD? My 300$ SHARP AQUOS plays CD,
and it sounds like a cat being slung up against the wall.
MY SYSTEM is rather modest, but the difference is obvious,
should be even on your junk. EVER hear the saying that when your mouth is open you are not learning anything? TRY
listening for a change, maybe you will learn something(but I DOUBT IT).:1:

[pixelthis]

How do you manage all the responsibility of always being right. It has to be such a burden for you. Until just now, I wasn't aware that any dedicated CD player, at any price, plays CDs better than any Laserdisc, DVD, or Blu-ray player ever made.


yes, its a HUGE responsibility, but considering how DEMOCRATS and Republicans behave, the bar is rather low.
AND the are called "dedicated" CD players because they
ARE BUILT TO PLAY cd'S...FYI.




They must all play SACDs and HDCDs better as well. After all an SACD and HDCD are CDs. So by your statement every CD player can also play SACD and HDCD. Another PixieFact I wasn't aware of. I'm now inclined to read all your past postings for true enlightenment.


HARDY any player plays SACD anymore, in case you haven't noticed its pretty much, as the English say..T*TS UP.
As for HDCD, that is often an undocumented feature.
A friend bought a copy of Joyce Cooling's "keeping cool" for
a dollar once(became one of my favorites) and imagine our surprize when an HDCD light came on his 200 dollar YAMAHA
five disc changer!




Can you support your statement with facts? Explain how even any entry level 8bit CD player without oversampling and limited instruction set can outplay today's high-bit and even multi-processor players?


SIMPLE, videodisc players are not designed to play CD, they are designed to play VIDEO. They have a shorter wavelength laser,
and all of the horsepower of which you speak is for videodiscs
To play a CD requires dedicated circuitry, and is usually an afterthought added on to the audio chip.
NOT to mention that the average DVD player is cheap,
doing good to play DVD.


Any other generalities you want to throw out there? Such as How all Asians look alike, or How it never rains in California, or How all aspirin is alike (sorry reference form an old aspirin commercial)? Is the world really that black and white for you? No gray areas? Or only when it comes to CDs?

all aspirin is alike, differences are minor, usually. ASPIRIN
is a chemical compound and if it doesnt meet certain specs
can't be called "aspirin" .
AND CONSIDERING all of the racist comments (which had to come from somewhere, well, I have not felt so honored since
a certain poster called me a NAZI, you see, when you start
using language like that it has to come from somewhere.
MY HONOR TO EXPOSE YOU, and just how do you
know my ethnic group, BTW. EVEN if I AM WHITE, I must be
the dumbest racist ever to live in a state that is over fifty percent black
AND "grey" areas? a FEW ON TOP of my head.




Are you the Simon Cowell of AR who will say anything just to go against the flow. You're obviously just trying to get a rise out of Sir T. Can't you just state your experiences and impressions without being antagonistic? Before we know it you'll be pulling FA pigtails. Right now I bet you've got your fingers in your ears and yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA" so you can't hear what you don't want to. Try to be an asset to the Forum. Right now you're off by a couple of letters.
[/QUOTE]

A "RISE" out of sir TALKY? Havent you noticed? every time
I POST anything TALKY jumps in with some of his ignorance,
spewing venom.
WE just had a big back and forth on VIDEO specs, and TALKY
was so intent on "proving" me "wrong" that he was completely
oblivious to the fact that he was saying the exact thing
I WAS SAYING.
Basically, TALKY is a corporate shill who says what his masters tell him to, and I remain convinced that he is an expert program
running on an old 286 in someones closet under some dirty
clothes.
LALALALA...hmmm, sounds like the theme from CHUCK,
wondered whatever happened to that one?:1:

[pixelthis]

AND that picture on my last post was supposed to be an "asian",
hope I GOT IT RIGHT.:1:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

IF YOU can get away with the nonsense you type, then the
absolute idiotic startement that a videodisc player can
play CD will get by easily.
AFTER years of listening to cd on laser and DVD players I SPLURGED and bought a dedicated player. THIS actually kickstarted my love of music, the difference was amazing.
CD playback on a video machine is secondary, probably uses a single chip, if that much.
A 87 DOLLAR CD FIVE DISC CHANGER that I BOUGHT FOR A PARTY, beat the performance of my laserdisc quite handily.
FOR CD you need a dedicated player, even a cheap one will be better.
Add another to the massive list of facts that TALKY doesnt know.:1:

Are you soooooo stupid that the only association you have with Pioneer is the Laserdisc player???? Did you not know that Pioneer makes Bluray players as well? Maybe not.....but we are talking Bluray PLAYERS idiot.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

yes, its a HUGE responsibility, but considering how DEMOCRATS and Republicans behave, the bar is rather low.
AND the are called "dedicated" CD players because they
ARE BUILT TO PLAY cd'S...FYI.





HARDY any player plays SACD anymore, in case you haven't noticed its pretty much, as the English say..T*TS UP.
As for HDCD, that is often an undocumented feature.
A friend bought a copy of Joyce Cooling's "keeping cool" for
a dollar once(became one of my favorites) and imagine our surprize when an HDCD light came on his 200 dollar YAMAHA
five disc changer!





SIMPLE, videodisc players are not designed to play CD, they are designed to play VIDEO. They have a shorter wavelength laser,
and all of the horsepower of which you speak is for videodiscs
To play a CD requires dedicated circuitry, and is usually an afterthought added on to the audio chip.
NOT to mention that the average DVD player is cheap,
doing good to play DVD.


all aspirin is alike, differences are minor, usually. ASPIRIN
is a chemical compound and if it doesnt meet certain specs
can't be called "aspirin" .
AND CONSIDERING all of the racist comments (which had to come from somewhere, well, I have not felt so honored since
a certain poster called me a NAZI, you see, when you start
using language like that it has to come from somewhere.
MY HONOR TO EXPOSE YOU, and just how do you
know my ethnic group, BTW. EVEN if I AM WHITE, I must be
the dumbest racist ever to live in a state that is over fifty percent black
AND "grey" areas? a FEW ON TOP of my head.






A "RISE" out of sir TALKY? Havent you noticed? every time
I POST anything TALKY jumps in with some of his ignorance,
spewing venom.
WE just had a big back and forth on VIDEO specs, and TALKY
was so intent on "proving" me "wrong" that he was completely
oblivious to the fact that he was saying the exact thing
I WAS SAYING.
Basically, TALKY is a corporate shill who says what his masters tell him to, and I remain convinced that he is an expert program
running on an old 286 in someones closet under some dirty
clothes.
LALALALA...hmmm, sounds like the theme from CHUCK,
wondered whatever happened to that one?:1:[/QUOTE]

If you walked away from the discussion thinking that we were saying the same thing, then your comprehension skills are non-existent. You really are the ignorant backwoods hick I thought you were.

[pixelthis]

Are you soooooo stupid that the only association you have with Pioneer is the Laserdisc player???? Did you not know that Pioneer makes Bluray players as well? Maybe not.....but we are talking Bluray PLAYERS idiot.

AND you call me an idiot.
BEING a shill for both PIONEER and PANASONIC
you have both on the so called "brain" of yours that you did not
even notice I never mentioned PIONEER.
My first player was PIONEER, but then I LISTENED TO CD
on my 400 dollar yamaha.
GETTING more into HT and less into audio I bought a Sony
LASER when my PIONEER walked off with the rest of my stuff
during a burglary. BEING of limited funds and not being able to buy both, I just bought the SONY, figuring that a 690 dollar
player should play CD as well as LASER. Well, it didn't, but I DID
NOT realize just how bad it was until I listened to a 87 dollar
five disc player I bought for a party. AS FAR as sound it embarrassed the Sony laser, and reignited my love of audio.
ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE that videodisc players, save a
few like the OPPO, play music like ARNOLD must play
music. BUT ITS something I DISCOVERED ON MY OWN.
And I can quote reasons people cite for this, but the
only reason I CARE a hoot about is this...
THEY SOUND LIKE CRAP TO ME, they sound great playing dvd,
BLU sounds amazing with its dedicated formats.
BUT to play music, you need a MUSIC PLAYER, something designed to play music. NOT SURPRISED Talky is
ignorant of this, that's par for the course, but BFALLS
i THOUGHT better of, besides which he called me a bunch of names. SO FOOEY on him.:1:

[Mash]

What is wrong with slinging a cat up against the wall?

[bfalls]

AND that picture on my last post was supposed to be an "asian",
hope I GOT IT RIGHT.:1:

Ahhhh! But which one? I didn't say you couldn't recognize an Asian when you see one, just can't tell one from another. I have no problem. For example, your picture is an Asian and not my wife, who is, so I know I can tell the difference.

I didn't say anything about you being racist. It was only an example of your cognitive skills. I have no bias against different aspirins either. I think you have a problem telling the differences between words. We've discussed your reading skills before. I never brought up race.

I could tell from your poking at SirT you were ready for a rant. You're soooo easy. Just like winding up a pair of chattering teeth and letting them go. A lot of chatter and no substance.

I think you like the abuse. I can picture you on your keyboard, ball gag in mouth, all rubber clothing except for a T-shirt which reads "Beat Me! Beat Me! Make me write bad checks."

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

AND you call me an idiot.
BEING a shill for both PIONEER and PANASONIC
you have both on the so called "brain" of yours that you did not
even notice I never mentioned PIONEER.
My first player was PIONEER, but then I LISTENED TO CD
on my 400 dollar yamaha.
GETTING more into HT and less into audio I bought a Sony
LASER when my PIONEER walked off with the rest of my stuff
during a burglary. BEING of limited funds and not being able to buy both, I just bought the SONY, figuring that a 690 dollar
player should play CD as well as LASER. Well, it didn't, but I DID
NOT realize just how bad it was until I listened to a 87 dollar
five disc player I bought for a party. AS FAR as sound it embarrassed the Sony laser, and reignited my love of audio.
ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE that videodisc players, save a
few like the OPPO, play music like ARNOLD must play
music. BUT ITS something I DISCOVERED ON MY OWN.
And I can quote reasons people cite for this, but the
only reason I CARE a hoot about is this...
THEY SOUND LIKE CRAP TO ME, they sound great playing dvd,
BLU sounds amazing with its dedicated formats.
BUT to play music, you need a MUSIC PLAYER, something designed to play music. NOT SURPRISED Talky is
ignorant of this, that's par for the course, but BFALLS
i THOUGHT better of, besides which he called me a bunch of names. SO FOOEY on him.:1:


So now I am a shill for Pioneer now? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. So if I pay a complement to the quality of a component, I am not a shill for that company.

Well I will say this pixelidiot. I would rather be a high end shill for Panasonic and Pioneer, than a low budget shill for Vizio.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I think you like the abuse. I can picture you on your keyboard, ball gag in mouth, all rubber clothing except for a T-shirt which reads "Beat Me! Beat Me! Make me write bad checks."

This is just wrong..:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

What is wrong with slinging a cat up against the wall?

Maybe its the sound they make when they hit the wall.....

[Mash]

I was out tonight with a bag, looking for cats. No luck!

Anyway, I took the BX58 back today. Yesterday morning I tried to open the drawer to remove a CD that had finished by gently pressing the open/close switch on the front and.... I got 3 'opening' displays with some sounds followed by 3 'closing' displays with more sounds but the tray never budged. I used the remote and the tray opened so I changed CD's. When that CD finished I used the remote to open the tray and.... nothing. Except for 3 'opening' displays with some sounds followed by 3 'closing' displays with more sounds. After 8 attempts the tray opened, I retrieved my CD, and then I debated what to do until this afternoon.

Best Buy / Magnolia has the Pioneer 3D BlyRay for $500 [I think this is a USA unit made by little yellow Pioneers out west].

Anyway, a Pioneer unit for $500 means I will have to (re)think about the OPPO95 unit. Meanwhile I will pull an OPPO unit out of the MBR system for use in the Kitchen. The MBR system has two DVD/CD units right now because this is really two parallel systems: one for music (tubie/Magnepan/VD 15"sub) and one for HDTV (Mackie/15" VD sub). I will Rob Peter to pay Paul.

[pixelthis]

Ahhhh! But which one? I didn't say you couldn't recognize an Asian when you see one, just can't tell one from another. I have no problem. For example, your picture is an Asian and not my wife, who is, so I know I can tell the difference.

I didn't say anything about you being racist. It was only an example of your cognitive skills. I have no bias against different aspirins either. I think you have a problem telling the differences between words. We've discussed your reading skills before. I never brought up race.

I could tell from your poking at SirT you were ready for a rant. You're soooo easy. Just like winding up a pair of chattering teeth and letting them go. A lot of chatter and no substance.

I think you like the abuse. I can picture you on your keyboard, ball gag in mouth, all rubber clothing except for a T-shirt which reads "Beat Me! Beat Me! Make me write bad checks."


SO NOT only are you a fool who overreacts but a coward who
won't stand up for what he said.
You know good and well what you said, at least have the courage
to stand up for it, or apologize.
YOU need a vacation(ban) and I HAVE COMPLAINED about you.
OF ALL OF YOUR FAULTS I WILL ADD COWARD TO THE LIST.:1:

[pixelthis]

What is wrong with slinging a cat up against the wall?

torture of animals is a first sign of a serial killer. Its what they do
for practice. And it sounds like a videodisc player trying to play a CD.:1:

[pixelthis]

So now I am a shill for Pioneer now? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. So if I pay a complement to the quality of a component, I am not a shill for that company.

Well I will say this pixelidiot. I would rather be a high end shill for Panasonic and Pioneer, than a low budget shill for Vizio.

And you are a low budget excuse for a human being, ignoring the fact that I never mentioned PIONEER, which you get into every thread,
along with PANNY, whenever possible.
I guess music sounds just as good from an inadequate player
because in order to enjoy music requires a soul.:1:

[pixelthis]

I was out tonight with a bag, looking for cats. No luck!

Anyway, I took the BX58 back today. Yesterday morning I tried to open the drawer to remove a CD that had finished by gently pressing the open/close switch on the front and.... I got 3 'opening' displays with some sounds followed by 3 'closing' displays with more sounds but the tray never budged. I used the remote and the tray opened so I changed CD's. When that CD finished I used the remote to open the tray and.... nothing. Except for 3 'opening' displays with some sounds followed by 3 'closing' displays with more sounds. After 8 attempts the tray opened, I retrieved my CD, and then I debated what to do until this afternoon.

Best Buy / Magnolia has the Pioneer 3D BlyRay for $500 [I think this is a USA unit made by little yellow Pioneers out west].

Anyway, a Pioneer unit for $500 means I will have to (re)think about the OPPO95 unit. Meanwhile I will pull an OPPO unit out of the MBR system for use in the Kitchen. The MBR system has two DVD/CD units right now because this is really two parallel systems: one for music (tubie/Magnepan/VD 15"sub) and one for HDTV (Mackie/15" VD sub). I will Rob Peter to pay Paul.


500 bucks for a PIONEER anything is about 450 bucks too much.
Hate what happened to that brand.
Its like NASA making paper airplanes, saying they make the
best paper airplanes in the world!
YEAH, BUT YOU USED TO MAKE SPACE SHUTTLES.
Sad.:1:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

And you are a low budget excuse for a human being, ignoring the fact that I never mentioned PIONEER, which you get into every thread,
along with PANNY, whenever possible.
I guess music sounds just as good from an inadequate player
because in order to enjoy music requires a soul.:1:

And you think your cheap low quality set up has a soul? Well, I guess you would if your were a bum living on skid row your entire life...a boom box would as well.

[pixelthis]

And you think your cheap low quality set up has a soul? Well, I guess you would if your were a bum living on skid row your entire life...a boom box would as well.

WOULD sound better than your stuff.
BUYING gear with a limited budget takes more skill than getting
factory samples, BTW, maybe I should try being a corporate shill.:1:

[Hyfi]

So Pix,

When was the last time you auditioned an OPPO 93 or 95 in a quality playback system?

Never is what I am guessing. If it sounds like an AM radio to you, it may be your gear.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

WOULD sound better than your stuff.
BUYING gear with a limited budget takes more skill than getting
factory samples, BTW, maybe I should try being a corporate shill.:1:

I don't think "your stuff" has the quality, but I guess you can believe what you want in your own head. By the way, that center speaker has early reflections and boundary reinforcement pasted all over it.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

And you are a low budget excuse for a human being, ignoring the fact that I never mentioned PIONEER, which you get into every thread,
along with PANNY, whenever possible.
I guess music sounds just as good from an inadequate player
because in order to enjoy music requires a soul.:1:

So are you saying that you never said this in post #16 on this thread

AND you call me an idiot.
BEING a shill for both PIONEER and PANASONIC

Oh no, you never mentioned Pioneer at all, it must have been the other high pixelthis.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Pozycjonowanie strony internetowej to zabieg majacy na celu wypromowanie witryny na jak najwyzsze miejsce w wynikach wyszukiwania pozycjonowan-ie pl/]pozycjonowanie Oferujemy Panstwu skuteczne pozycjonowanie stron internetowych w wyszukiwarce Google

Interpreter to the front of the house, we have a person speaking in tongues here!!!

[SlumpBuster]

I'm not really excited to get into this fracas, but when ya'll start baggin' on a B&W/Emotiva/Integra system it kinda is unseemly. Kinda "ivory towerish" if you will. Such a system has got to be in the top 5% of HT systems. Is it as advanced as some of the others around? No. Is it deserving of scorn? No. Does Pix deserve to be put in his place? Yes. Did he strike first? Probably. But, baggin' on something that at the end of the day is limited by what we can each afford is, like I said, unseemly. Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.

[bfalls]

I'm not really excited to get into this fracas, but when ya'll start baggin' on a B&W/Emotiva/Integra system it kinda is unseemly. Kinda "ivory towerish" if you will. Such a system has got to be in the top 5% of HT systems. Is it as advanced as some of the others around? No. Is it deserving of scorn? No. Does Pix deserve to be put in his place? Yes. Did he strike first? Probably. But, baggin' on something that at the end of the day is limited by what we can each afford is, like I said, unseemly. Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.

Agreed. I have two very different systems in the same room. One would retail for about $20K+, the other less than $3K. Both are very good sounding systems with their own distinct qualities.

To me it's all about the speakers. As long as you have adequate source and amplification, speakers provide the most substantial change in a system.

But then again, a good source like the Oppo 93 and supporting hardware like the Emotiva UMC-1 and XPA-5 can make even the smallest of speakers sound good. I've tried many budget bookshelf speakers in the Oppo/Emotiva system from Klipsch Kg4, and Synergy B2s, to B&W LM1s, to Scandyna Minipods. The UMC-1s EmoQ does a great job of blending the speakers and their particular signatures together.

Good sound can be had on a budget. The question is can a CD sound good on a budget system that doesn't include a dedicated CD player. This is where we disagree.

[Hyfi]

The question is can a CD sound good on a budget system that doesn't include a dedicated CD player. This is where we disagree.

JM Labs Tantal 509s via 50' of rat shack thin wire

driven by a Rotel RX1050

Using an OPPO 93 and $40 Tara Labs Prism ICs

$1800 total price if all purchased new

Not the same as my main system but better than most people's main gear I know.

[bobsticks]

Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.

I agree with your specific thought but my point is, though I mentioned some boutique brands earlier, you don't have to pay top dollar to get some good results. Markw mentioned a Denon model that has benefited from trickledown technology, HyFi the much lauded OPPO, and I have a Cambridge Audio DVD89 which is respectable.

A point worth considering is that it is possible to find reasonable solutions within the genre of multi-disc players if effort is put forth...a concept clearly eschewed by some in favor of blanket generalizations.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I'm not really excited to get into this fracas, but when ya'll start baggin' on a B&W/Emotiva/Integra system it kinda is unseemly. Kinda "ivory towerish" if you will. Such a system has got to be in the top 5% of HT systems. Is it as advanced as some of the others around? No. Is it deserving of scorn? No. Does Pix deserve to be put in his place? Yes. Did he strike first? Probably. But, baggin' on something that at the end of the day is limited by what we can each afford is, like I said, unseemly. Call each other serial killers and Nazis all you like, but leave eachother's systems out of it.

It is not about the equipment, its about how poorly it is set up. Pix uses no measuring devices to set up his system. He says he uses Audyssey, but Audyssey cannot correct a center speaker sitting on a flat surface with a strong first reflection. Audyssey is good, but it ain't that good.

Also Pix seems to think his system is state of the art. Get real..you cannot make a pigs ear a gold nugget. Pix sets himself up for this, so SB, I cannot buy what you are selling here. It's great that you have some sympathy for him, but I don't. He is the single reason why this website has gotten less and less fun to post on. Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1

[bfalls]

Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1

10:1 your feeling generous today. Does it count if he believes the lies? It's still wrong info no matter how deluded, but....

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

10:1 your feeling generous today. Does it count if he believes the lies? It's still wrong info no matter how deluded, but....

Yes, I am feeling just a bit generous. No it does count if he believes the lies. But I will give him a cookie for teaching us how to post foolishness while under the influence of Vicodin and Percocet

[pixelthis]

So are you saying that you never said this in post #16 on this thread

AND you call me an idiot.
BEING a shill for both PIONEER and PANASONIC

Oh no, you never mentioned Pioneer at all, it must have been the other high pixelthis.

Right, pointing out to you that I NEVER MENTIONED pioneer,
except maybe as being my first laser player that got ripped off.
AND BTW it sounded like crap playing CD.:1:

[pixelthis]

It is not about the equipment, its about how poorly it is set up. Pix uses no measuring devices to set up his system. He says he uses Audyssey, but Audyssey cannot correct a center speaker sitting on a flat surface with a strong first reflection. Audyssey is good, but it ain't that good.

Also Pix seems to think his system is state of the art. Get real..you cannot make a pigs ear a gold nugget. Pix sets himself up for this, so SB, I cannot buy what you are selling here. It's great that you have some sympathy for him, but I don't. He is the single reason why this website has gotten less and less fun to post on. Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1


I have a 1,000 receiver that is state of the art, as is my EMOTIVA,
which is not saying much as amp tech has not changed much except for digital amps.
My tuner has HD radio and RDS, so it is "state of the art".
My SAMSUNG plays DVDA and SACD so it is "state of the art",
although four years old.
AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
And don't worry about "boundry layer problems with my center, no problem, only "boundry" problems are getting within a boundry
of you.
And a ratshak meter is all you need to set up a HT, and if
you have AUDDESSEY YOU DON'T NEED THAT,
Oh, my Sharp AQUOS AND LG 42" (july 2010) are both "state of the art" also.
Only thing not "state of the art" around here is your thinking processes.:1:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I have a 1,000 receiver that is state of the art, as is my EMOTIVA,
which is not saying much as amp tech has not changed much except for digital amps.
My tuner has HD radio and RDS, so it is "state of the art".
My SAMSUNG plays DVDA and SACD so it is "state of the art",
although four years old.
AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
And don't worry about "boundry layer problems with my center, no problem, only "boundry" problems are getting within a boundry
of you.
And a ratshak meter is all you need to set up a HT, and if
you have AUDDESSEY YOU DON'T NEED THAT,
Oh, my Sharp AQUOS AND LG 42" (july 2010) are both "state of the art" also.
Only thing not "state of the art" around here is your thinking processes.:1:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: woooooooooo..... real state of the art here!!!

[Woochifer]

AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.

Sampling rate of CD = 44.1 kHz
Sampling rate that pixelthis claims "doubles the sampling rate of CD" = 192 kHz

:out:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Sampling rate of CD = 44.1 kHz
Sampling rate that pixelthis claims "doubles the sampling rate of CD" = 192 kHz

:out:

Add that to the refresh rate being the same thing as the frame rate and what you have is Pixie verbalrectumbule. Oh and by the way, its no secret that Panasonic never made a dedicated DVD-A player. What the numbskull has is an eight year old DVD player that can play DVD-A discs. Totally state of the art here!

[SlumpBuster]

It is not about the equipment, its about how poorly it is set up. Pix uses no measuring devices to set up his system. He says he uses Audyssey, but Audyssey cannot correct a center speaker sitting on a flat surface with a strong first reflection. Audyssey is good, but it ain't that good.

That is a much fairer criticism.


Also Pix seems to think his system is state of the art. Get real..you cannot make a pigs ear a gold nugget. Pix sets himself up for this, so SB, I cannot buy what you are selling here. It's great that you have some sympathy for him, but I don't. He is the single reason why this website has gotten less and less fun to post on. Too much wrong information, crazy ranting, and a lie to truth factor of about 10:1

I actually don't have much sympathy. He's a grown up. What I have sympathy for is the newbie that wanders on here with his new Integra/B&W system thinking it is the bees knees, only to see it ridiculed.

You're system is clearly some next level sh!t, but you can't lose perspective that even a humble Integra/B&W or Yamaha/Paradigm system (like mine) is deserving of respect in these forums. Bag on his set up and application, not the system.

Pix's set up is less than ideal (and his vacuum cleaner is apparently busted), but he is very up front and posts pictures. You used to have great pics too. Get those back up so people can see where you are coming from. Don't just bag on Pix, show everyone what it should look like. Give newbies and lurkers something to aspire too, rather than potentially cutting them off at the knees and making them think their Best Buy system has no place here.

[Hyfi]

I have a 1,000 receiver that is state of the art, as is my EMOTIVA,
which is not saying much as amp tech has not changed much except for digital amps.
My tuner has HD radio and RDS, so it is "state of the art".
My SAMSUNG plays DVDA and SACD so it is "state of the art",
although four years old.
AND MY EIGHT YEAR OLD PANNY DVDA player is "state of the art" although eight years old, what you get for being born ahead of your time, with 192khz dacs and remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
And don't worry about "boundry layer problems with my center, no problem, only "boundry" problems are getting within a boundry
of you.
And a ratshak meter is all you need to set up a HT, and if
you have AUDDESSEY YOU DON'T NEED THAT,
Oh, my Sharp AQUOS AND LG 42" (july 2010) are both "state of the art" also.
Only thing not "state of the art" around here is your thinking processes.:1:

That is the loosest use of the definition of State of the Art I have seen to date.
<<
state of the art
n.
The highest level of development, as of a device, technique, or scientific field, achieved at a particular time

state of the art
n
the level of knowledge and development achieved in a technique, science, etc., esp at present
adj (prenominal) state-of-the-art
the most recent and therefore considered the best; up-to-the-minute>>

Your Emotiva may have been manufactured recently but is far from State of the Art.
Does it use the best Caps available?
Does it use all point to point silver wiring?
Does it use the best available Power Supply?

Your stuff, like most others here is Modern, but far form State of the Art.

Audessy and a Rat Shack meter do not fix room reflection issues.
Glass equipment racks are about the worst thing you can place your gear on.

You can re-post the same pics of your gear as many times as you want, but is is just an entry level modern system no matter how you wish to twist the definition of State of the Art.

[BadAssJazz]

Intended to no one specifically -- and yet to everyone in the most general sense -- thanks so much for this thread. I needed a good laugh today. Rough day at the office.

[pixelthis]

Sampling rate of CD = 44.1 kHz
Sampling rate that pixelthis claims "doubles the sampling rate of CD" = 192 kHz

:out:

GOD, you really don't understand anything, do you?
It has 192khz dacs, and a special feature, called "remaster",
which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
DON'T know what inflation is so I shouldn't be surprized.
TAKE a look below, the remaster button is to the left of the display, and the 192khz is in the upper right corner.
Better not talk about TALKYS employers like that, he might have a hissy fit.:1:

[Woochifer]

GOD, you really don't understand anything, do you?

Yeah, I don't understand bad math -- I prefer to state correct information the first time rather than repeating errors over and over like you do.


It has 192khz dacs, and a special feature, called "remaster",
which doubles the sampling rate of CD.
DON'T know what inflation is so I shouldn't be surprized.
TAKE a look below, the remaster button is to the left of the display, and the 192khz is in the upper right corner.
Better not talk about TALKYS employers like that, he might have a hissy fit.:1:

Again, 192 kHz does not equal 44.1 x 2. Your math fails you, and you keep deluding yourself that you're right.

Are you now claiming that the DVD-A format itself doubles CD sampling rates, or that this is all connected to "inflation"?

Or is this just more deflection and changing the subject, because you got caught in yet another nonsensical claim? These feeble efforts of yours are always good for a laugh.

[pixelthis]

Yeah, I don't understand bad math -- I prefer to state correct information the first time rather than repeating errors over and over like you do.



Again, 192 kHz does not equal 44.1 x 2. Your math fails you, and you keep deluding yourself that you're right.

Are you now claiming that the DVD-A format itself doubles CD sampling rates, or that this is all connected to "inflation"?

Or is this just more deflection and changing the subject, because you got caught in yet another nonsensical claim? These feeble efforts of yours are always good for a laugh.

THE THING I absolutely hate about you govt wonks is your
total lack of integrity WHATSOEVER.
When you feel too lazy to lie you just make stuff UP.
YOU know good and well you are talking about apples and
oranges, the 192khz dacs have nothing to do with
remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of any CD played.
Or have you been telling stories so long that you really have forgotten what the truth is???:1:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

THE THING I absolutely hate about you govt wonks is your
total lack of integrity WHATSOEVER.
When you feel too lazy to lie you just make stuff UP.
YOU know good and well you are talking about apples and
oranges, the 192khz dacs have nothing to do with
remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of any CD played.
Or have you been telling stories so long that you really have forgotten what the truth is???:1:

Yo dummy, the 192khz DAC's have everything to do with the remaster feature. What would be the point in using a 192khz DAC in a DVD player if the two weren't tied together. CD's sample rate is only 44.1khz, and DVD's is 48khz. It would be a waste to install 192khz DAC's to support these two sample rates. Remaster upsamples CD's to 176.4khz, and DVD's to 192khz. So Wooch is right, 44.1khz has no multiples that end up at 192khz, and mentioning a 192khz DAC in the same sentence as remaster and doubling the sample rates ties them together in a very confusing way. :1:

[pixelthis]

Yo dummy, the 192khz DAC's have everything to do with the remaster feature. What would be the point in using a 192khz DAC in a DVD player if the two weren't tied together. CD's sample rate is only 44.1khz, and DVD's is 48khz. It would be a waste to install 192khz DAC's to support these two sample rates. Remaster upsamples CD's to 176.4khz, and DVD's to 192khz. So Wooch is right, 44.1khz has no multiples that end up at 192khz, and mentioning a 192khz DAC in the same sentence as remaster and doubling the sample rates ties them together in a very confusing way. :1:

Sorry if I confused the "simple" minded.
I used to have a YAMAHA , a rxv750
and it had a great DAC, and whenever I used remaster 88.2 showed up on the display.
And the 192khz dacs were used for DVDA, and several DVDA
players had them.:1:

[Mash]

Well.... anyway.... I pulled an OPPO from the BR system and connected it up in the kitchen. Now the kitchen system sounds very good. The Fanfair tuner is still working....

[pixelthis]

Well.... anyway.... I pulled an OPPO from the BR system and connected it up in the kitchen. Now the kitchen system sounds very good. The Fanfair tuner is still working....

HAVE to try an Oppo sometime, heard they sound quite good.:1:

[Mash]

Yea- they sound very good, but pricey. I think OPPO should give me a discount on a 95 because I was an early adopter.... yea, right. But they do age very well........................

[Woochifer]

THE THING I absolutely hate about you govt wonks is your
total lack of integrity WHATSOEVER.
When you feel too lazy to lie you just make stuff UP.
YOU know good and well you are talking about apples and
oranges, the 192khz dacs have nothing to do with
remaster, which doubles the sampling rate of any CD played.
Or have you been telling stories so long that you really have forgotten what the truth is???:1:

Ah yes, just more personal insults and slander to cover for your idiotic misstatements. I was wondering when you were going to break out your old lie about me being a "govt wonk." It might be wishful thinking on your part, since it obvious gives you convenient ranting material. But, repeating over and over doesn't magically turn a lie into truth. Try again. :lol: