NBC Leaves Out "Under God" In Pledge

[Robert-The-Rambler]

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/NBC-sorry-for-omitting-under-God-from-the-Pledge-of-Allegiance-during-Sundays-US-Open-coverage-061911?gt1=39002

I spotted the story at foxsports.com and I can't help but think that Under God has no business being in the Pledge of Allegiance anyway. Can we say Freudian slip?

The emphasis as it was created was to have one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. That was how it was originally written. Under God has no bearing on the original message and I would not describe the 50s as a good time to make amendments like the one to the Pledge. Although I was not around in the 1950s I get the idea that in the Mccarthy era politics were really just more Fed up than usual.

Not that it matters but I vote that we get rid of the oxymoron in the Pledge of Allegiance and morons in public office. One nation "Under God" (Religion is the most divisive subject in human history) indivisible with liberty and justice for all. That makes no Fn sense.

[ForeverAutumn]

I give this thread six posts before ending up in the Steel Cage. :)

If I were American I wouldn't be reciting "under God" anyhow. I don't sing "God keep our land" when I sing the Canadian National Anthem. I sing it as we did in grade school, replacing "God keep our land glorious and free" with "Oh Canada, glorious and free". But that's just me.

As for the uproar regarding this error, that's just another example of the power in numbers that Christianity has in imposing beliefs on those who don't share them.

[JohnMichael]

Regardless of my on again, off again (mostly off) beliefs I do not like the how christians try to force their ideology on others. I see no reason for god to be mentioned in the Pledge or on our money.

If I want to hear about god I know where to go. I spent many years going to church and attending 12 years of catholic schools. I have to mention that many christians and their messages have helped kill any need or desire for faith.

[RGA]

"God keep our land glorious and free"

You could also sing it as "We keep our land glorious and free" since it's the WE who do it not some fictitious entity created by depressed individuals to hope that a fictitious afterlife will be better than this one.

With the pledge - it is interesting that their big founding fathers were not religious and were highly educated intelligent people. Something happened along the way for the worse...much worse and religious (Christian) groups have tried to rewrite history. Fox News is a giant propaganda machine (err it lies constantly) and this is likely where 99% of Republicans get all their "facts" from since it's certainly not from thinking or reading books from real academics.

The right wing in the United States is trying to take ownership of a lot of things. Have for years. Although it's all the wrong things. The Republican party in the United States has moved the country closer to a Nazi regime perhaps more that they even realize - the education system is so poor in most of the States that while many scoff at a comparison between Dictatorship and Nazism, scoffing at it doesn't change the very real things that are actually happening. The country is slowly becoming a police state with hired mercenary moving into various states (similar to a private guard like the SS) and while some people are fighting it - it is moving in.

A nice little documentary (which will be ignored as Left wing propaganda but nevertheless it is happening). Takes about 5 minutes to get going http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RcbpYR5Joc

[Hyfi]

So this makes 5....

I stopped saying the pledge in 4th grade because of this.

God Bless America should also be changed to God Bless the Whole World since God does not single out specific Nations for Favoritism.

[bobsticks]

I give this thread six posts before ending up in the Steel Cage. :)

Right on schedule...it only took four posts for someone to start bandying about Nazi palimpsēstos.

Anyone who was looking to make a rational argument against these types of encroachments would be better served to arm themselves with facts rather than polemics.

[Robert-The-Rambler]

"God keep our land glorious and free"

You could also sing it as "We keep our land glorious and free" since it's the WE who do it not some fictitious entity created by depressed individuals to hope that a fictitious afterlife will be better than this one.

With the pledge - it is interesting that their big founding fathers were not religious and were highly educated intelligent people. Something happened along the way for the worse...much worse and religious (Christian) groups have tried to rewrite history. Fox News is a giant propaganda machine (err it lies constantly) and this is likely where 99% of Republicans get all their "facts" from since it's certainly not from thinking or reading books from real academics.

The right wing in the United States is trying to take ownership of a lot of things. Have for years. Although it's all the wrong things. The Republican party in the United States has moved the country closer to a Nazi regime perhaps more that they even realize - the education system is so poor in most of the States that while many scoff at a comparison between Dictatorship and Nazism, scoffing at it doesn't change the very real things that are actually happening. The country is slowly becoming a police state with hired mercenary moving into various states (similar to a private guard like the SS) and while some people are fighting it - it is moving in.

A nice little documentary (which will be ignored as Left wing propaganda but nevertheless it is happening). Takes about 5 minutes to get going http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RcbpYR5Joc

As excuses to further limit the freedoms of citizens and move away from what was originally founded. Just food for thought. If we became something other than what we originally intended in 1776 and the change was so gradual would we even realize we strayed to a path of evil. Would we even understand what the foundation even was? How much horror is paved with good intentions?

I choose to have faith in people because having faith in God can be testament to having faith in almost nothing. Worry about God when you are ready for the gates of heaven or hell. If we don't believe in each other we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Feanor]

Right on schedule...it only took four posts for someone to start bandying about Nazi palimpsēstos.

Anyone who was looking to make a rational argument against these types of encroachments would be better served to arm themselves with facts rather than polemics.
Don't be so hasty condemning comparisons to the Nazis. They might be more relevant than you seem to think, 'Sticks.

Read this book:

Chris Hedges: American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on American

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51XzRFBvsqL._SS500_.jpg

[markw]

I find it interesting that when it comes to a discussion about religion in America, the first and most vocal complainers are canadians who don't even have a dog in this fight. Why can't they just go to Vamcouver and celebrate the Bruin's victory like other good canadians.

[Hyfi]

I find it interesting that when it comes to a discussion about religion in America, the first and most vocal complainers are canadians who don't even have a dog in this fight. Why can't they just go to Vamcouver and celebrate the Bruin's victory like other good canadians.

I'm all American, but the complaint is no different. Besides, it's all North America.

[Feanor]

I find it interesting that when it comes to a discussion about religion in America, the first and most vocal complainers are canadians who don't even have a dog in this fight. Why can't they just go to Vamcouver and celebrate the Bruin's victory like other good canadians.
CANUCKOPHOBE !! :dita:

[ForeverAutumn]

canuckophobe !! :dita:

:lol:

Oooh! A hockey dig! I guess no one told Mark that there were more Canadian players on the Bruins than there were on the Canucks.

That would be the Vancouver Canucks, not the Vamcouver Canucks.

[RGA]

I find it interesting that when it comes to a discussion about religion in America, the first and most vocal complainers are canadians who don't even have a dog in this fight. Why can't they just go to Vamcouver and celebrate the Bruin's victory like other good canadians.

Poland, France, and Britain didn't have a dog in the fight either. Sometimes it takes foreigners to look at things from an objective outside perspective to see things less passionately and "patriotically" to see that "the Land of the Free" is a lot less free than a lot of countries scoffed at as being "socialist" and yet we have more freedoms in a lot more ways. The concerns of what happens there could happen here also follows - and Canada has its own issues to deal with with our own right wing nutter in charge who 2 weeks after taking over has done exactly the opposite things he promised he would never do. But that's a different story.

My major focus in my history degree was the Nazi era so we all have a dog in the fight when the dog is the most powerfully armed nation on the planet. It's one thing not to follow international law since it may go against the interest of the country - so I kind of get some of those actions - but when the government goes against its own constitutions, charters, rules, and humanity then there is a problem. Germany in the 1930s was arguably one of if not THE most secular, progressive and free societies on the planet. Arguably, the "U.S.A" of their time in some respects with freedom of press and speech. A depression, loud voices creating fear of the "other," and several other issues, was enough to elect an otherwise fringe party to power. The evidence is overwhelming that the U.S.A is following the same pattern - What happened in Germany didn't happen overnight. A slow series of events to get public opinion on their side - mixed with fear - allowed people to look the other way. In the U.S where a much greater percent of the population is less educated and apathetic then it's easy.

[markw]

Poland, France, and Britain didn't have a dog in the fight either.Perhaps, but I don't see a constant block of their citizenry here whining about things that don't concern them here. I guess that when a country can't even entice it's best hockey players to stay there they really do have issues and biitching about some other countries issues makes them feel better, doesn't it?

Is it really that borng there that you must live vicariously on a BB? I guess y'all can't even afford one of your own, can you? ...or is it that y'all don't have kids to keep you occupied and give you a worthwhile focus in life?

Remember, RGA, that "dog" you seem so concerned with has kept your country free at virtually no cost to you since the middle of the last century, and even longer. Had it not been for this "dog" entering the war, you would be speaking German now.

[ForeverAutumn]

Perhaps, but I don't see a constant block of their citizenry here whining about things that don't concern them here. I guess that when a country can't even entice it's best hockey players to stay there they really do have issues and biitching about some other countries issues makes them feel better, doesn't it?

Is it really that borng there that you must live vicariously on a BB? I guess y'all can't even afford one of your own, can you? ...or is it that y'all don't have kids to keep you occupied and give you a worthwhile focus in life?

LMAO! You used to just piss me off, but now I've reached the point where you amuse me. :smile5:

[markw]

LMAO! You used to just piss me off, but now I've reached the point where you amuse me. :smile5:No. If you think about it, what I said fits many of the whiners here, not just you.

Maybe it was talking to the three boys and six grandkids yesterday that made me think of this...

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I am stunned by the diversity of opinions on this issue :yesnod:

[ForeverAutumn]

No. If you think about it, what I said fits many of the whiners here, not just you.

Maybe it was talking to the three boys and six grandkids yesterday that made me think of this...

I'd rather not think too hard about anything that comes from you. I wasn't implying that I thought you were speaking directly to me, but I can only speak back for myself since I don't know whether you amuse the others or not.

I'm glad to hear that your family is well.

[markw]

I'd rather not think too hard about anything that comes from you.I've never seen too much evidence that you do. ;)


I wasn't implying that I thought you were speaking directly to me, but I can only speak back for myself since I don't know whether you amuse the others or not.Well now, there's a contradictary statement if ever I've heard one. Then why your response in the first place? Actually, IIRC, I'd say it's most likely pith off more people than I amuse, at least as far as the usual responders go. ...but who knows about the lurkers.


I'm glad to hear that your family is well.Thank you. We appreciate that. Newest addition just turned four months and he's growing like a weed. Wishing the same to you.

[GMichael]

It sure is hot in here. Anyone for a cold drink?

[ForeverAutumn]

I've never seen too much evidence that you do. ;)

True dat. It's not really worth the effort. :)


Well now, there's a contradictary statement if ever I've heard one. Then why your response in the first place?
Not contradictory at all. Are you saying that you only respond to posts that are directed to you and only you?


Thank you. We appreciate that. Newest addition just turned four months and he's growing like a weed. Wishing the same to you.

Thank you. The family is great. I spent the evening with my two nieces last night. They are great kids and just a treat to spend time with. The 15-yr-old has inherited the family music-lovers gene and we can talk about music and share YouTube video's all night. :)

[Hyfi]

...or is it that y'all don't have kids to keep you occupied and give you a worthwhile focus in life?



I sure hope the above statement was a joke, otherwise it is real F'd up statement.

Everyone that does not have kids is not lacking a worthwhile focus in life. In fact, those of us without children are offsetting the cost of many things those with children get.

Then you have all these people pumping out their "worthwhile focus" in the form of too many kids they do not want or care to raise properly, then they get divorced because they cannot follow through on commitments and mistakes they have made, and end up getting all kinds of freebies and handouts at the cost of those without children who pay higher insurance premiums for just that issue.

[markw]

I sure hope the above statement was a joke, otherwise it is real F'd up statement.Well, among those in this thread there does to be somewhat of a commonality.


Everyone that does not have kids is not lacking a worthwhile focus in life. In fact, those of us without children are offsetting the cost of many things those with children get.No, but it does give them a "real" goal in life. For many without they tend become involved with selfish pleasures and less involved with the "real"issues in life. See above comment.

Generally, "with "good" parents, having kids forces upon them another level of maturity whereby they come to the realization that there exists a greater purpose in life than merely satisfying their own pleasures and someone else is more important then they are. It's not like a clap of thunder, but it's real nonetheless.

Of course, those that are physicallty incapable are a different issue.

But, there are also those you describe below as well.


Then you have all these people pumping out their "worthwhile focus" in the form of too many kids they do not want or care to raise properly, then they get divorced because they cannot follow through on commitments and mistakes they have made, and end up getting all kinds of freebies and handouts at the cost of those without children who pay higher insurance premiums for just that issue.I certainly hope you're not describing the people with children you associate with. If so, I'd suggest a new circle of friends.

And then again, you have those that take on the responsibility to make sacrifices to provide for them as needed and raise them properly to be successful adults with the same values. I spoke about them above. I would hope you know some of those, don't you?

I doubt there are too many of those families you describe here. The system doesn't pay enough for a decent stereo. Is Pennsylvania different than Jersey?

[Feanor]

...

Generally, "with "good" parents, having kids forces upon them another level of maturity whereby they come to the realization that there exists a greater purpose in life than merely satisfying their own pleasures and someone else is more important then they are. It's not like a clap of thunder, but it's real nonetheless.

...
I rather hope that people who conceive children start with a level of maturity before the children arrive. It seems to me that plenty of irresponsible people who have children, (often it's the reason they conceive the children in the first place), but having the children does not significantly raise their level of maturity. In fact creates misery for the children and adds to that of these parents.

It's irresponsible in a world with 7 billion people, to recommend children to irresponsible people.

Something thing I wish we could get past is the notion that becoming parents is an unselfish act. In fact people plan to become parents for selfish reasons in response to biological urges and cultural pressure. Of course often this selfishness often backfires: people not particularly suitable for parenthood diminish the their own lives and engender children who fail to achieve their full potential. Statistically children without children are happier than those who do.

Let me say that I have two grown children whom I love and who are doing very well. This despite, not because, of their parents' suitability for parenthood.

[Hyfi]

Well, among those in this thread there does to be somewhat of a commonality.

I think FA and myself may be the only ones in the thread withought children so you are making an uneducated assumption.


No, but it does give them a "real" goal in life. For many without they tend become involved with selfish pleasures and less involved with the "real"issues in life. See above comment.

So people without children have No Real Goals in Life? What an A-hole statement. You have no clue what other people's goals are here or who any of us really are. Maybe all your friends without children have no goals in life but again, for those of us here, just another uneducated assumption.


Generally, "with "good" parents, having kids forces upon them another level of maturity whereby they come to the realization that there exists a greater purpose in life than merely satisfying their own pleasures and someone else is more important then they are. It's not like a clap of thunder, but it's real nonetheless.

As Feanor already said, the maturity level of the majority of parents is at child status. Most people have children as a selfish choice, just because they want them and no other reasons since with today's overpopulation, we don't NEED more people. Sounds like maybe you follow the Catholic belief of no birth control and sex is ONLY for procreation. That selfish choice is actually satisfying their own pleasure. Ask any child if they asked to be here. I got many a backhand for that one as a child.

And if having the child is not a selfish choice, it's usually because of being irresponsible on a drunken friday night.

I'm not sure what you mean by Good Parents. I know many good parents with bad kids as well as lousy parents with good kids.



I certainly hope you're not describing the people with children you associate with. If so, I'd suggest a new circle of friends.

I associate with many people and I don't choose my friends depending on if they have children or if those children are perfect.

So you seem to be saying that you only associate with people that have children and consider that to be the only worthwhile focus in their lives. Good for you as an elitist and exclusionist.


And then again, you have those that take on the responsibility to make sacrifices to provide for them as needed and raise them properly to be successful adults with the same values. I spoke about them above. I would hope you know some of those, don't you?

I know plenty of those types but watch the news someday or look at some surveys and you will see that that is the minority. There are just as many single parent families today as those who stuck it out.


I doubt there are too many of those families you describe here. The system doesn't pay enough for a decent stereo. Is Pennsylvania different than Jersey?

Not sure what system you are referring to, but there are many parents that will buy themselves toys or alcohol or a nice car and let their children go hungry. You must not watch much news.

You seem to be in an isolated dream world thinking that all parents have children for non selfish reasons and that people without children have no worthwhile focus in life. You should crawl back into your hole or wake up to reality.

Just for the record, I have several worthwhile focuses in my life. My wife and I are dealing with aging sick parents, one dead, 2 in nursing homes and a 3rd crippled with arthritis.

We both volunteer at or local Senior Center although we are not old enough to belong to it.

My wife teaches Meditation, most of the time for free.

Plenty more that I don't need to list to rebut your off base thoughts about people without children.

The main reson we decided not to have children was exactly because we did not want to be selfish and bring more children into a world of overpopulation and knowing how bad their future would be. That was the most unselfish thing we have ever chosen to do, not that any of this is your business.

[JohnMichael]

I would like to go on record as a member without children.




I think FA and myself may be the only ones in the thread withought children so you are making an uneducated assumption.



So people without children have No Real Goals in Life? What an A-hole statement. You have no clue what other people's goals are here or who any of us really are. Maybe all your friends without children have no goals in life but again, for those of us here, just another uneducated assumption.



As Feanor already said, the maturity level of the majority of parents is at child status. Most people have children as a selfish choice, just because they want them and no other reasons since with today's overpopulation, we don't NEED more people. Sounds like maybe you follow the Catholic belief of no birth control and sex is ONLY for procreation. That selfish choice is actually satisfying their own pleasure. Ask any child if they asked to be here. I got many a backhand for that one as a child.

And if having the child is not a selfish choice, it's usually because of being irresponsible on a drunken friday night.

I'm not sure what you mean by Good Parents. I know many good parents with bad kids as well as lousy parents with good kids.




I associate with many people and I don't choose my friends depending on if they have children or if those children are perfect.

So you seem to be saying that you only associate with people that have children and consider that to be the only worthwhile focus in their lives. Good for you as an elitist and exclusionist.



I know plenty of those types but watch the news someday or look at some surveys and you will see that that is the minority. There are just as many single parent families today as those who stuck it out.



Not sure what system you are referring to, but there are many parents that will buy themselves toys or alcohol or a nice car and let their children go hungry. You must not watch much news.

You seem to be in an isolated dream world thinking that all parents have children for non selfish reasons and that people without children have no worthwhile focus in life. You should crawl back into your hole or wake up to reality.

Just for the record, I have several worthwhile focuses in my life. My wife and I are dealing with aging sick parents, one dead, 2 in nursing homes and a 3rd crippled with arthritis.

We both volunteer at or local Senior Center although we are not old enough to belong to it.

My wife teaches Meditation, most of the time for free.

Plenty more that I don't need to list to rebut your off base thoughts about people without children.

The main reson we decided not to have children was exactly because we did not want to be selfish and bring more children into a world of overpopulation and knowing how bad their future would be. That was the most unselfish thing we have ever chosen to do, not that any of this is your business.

[Hyfi]

I would like to go on record as a member without children.

Ok, then I guess that makes it Most People then. And I guess you also have no worthwhile purpose in life.

Congrats!

[JohnMichael]

Ok, then I guess that makes it Most People then. And I guess you also have no worthwhile purpose in life.

Congrats!




Just look under my name. A christian called me that in a post. Other than deleting spam I must not be worthwhile.

[markw]

...when you're gone, Poof!. ...you're gone.

It's as if you never existed.

so far, I've directly touched at least two future generatons that will pass on my genes and, so far, my beliefs. And, believe they will mourn my passing.

And, believe it or not, the possibilities for socialization and giving that raising children offers will surprise you, what between school and church functions. They can keep you very, very busy, if done properly.

As for JM, doing his part for terminal eldercare is a wonderful thing and I'm sure many will appreciate what he's done, particularly the families of those he cared for.

And,yes, monkeys can reproduce too. It's a curse of biology there that those least fit tend to have the most but by those that ARE better than that to choose to not reproduce, they abicate their role in making a better future for the planet. And, as such, should have little or no say in it's future. Idiocracy, anyone?



I think FA and myself may be the only ones in the thread withought children so you are making an uneducated assumption.



So people without children have No Real Goals in Life? What an A-hole statement. You have no clue what other people's goals are here or who any of us really are. Maybe all your friends without children have no goals in life but again, for those of us here, just another uneducated assumption.



As Feanor already said, the maturity level of the majority of parents is at child status. Most people have children as a selfish choice, just because they want them and no other reasons since with today's overpopulation, we don't NEED more people. Sounds like maybe you follow the Catholic belief of no birth control and sex is ONLY for procreation. That selfish choice is actually satisfying their own pleasure. Ask any child if they asked to be here. I got many a backhand for that one as a child.

And if having the child is not a selfish choice, it's usually because of being irresponsible on a drunken friday night.

I'm not sure what you mean by Good Parents. I know many good parents with bad kids as well as lousy parents with good kids.




I associate with many people and I don't choose my friends depending on if they have children or if those children are perfect.

So you seem to be saying that you only associate with people that have children and consider that to be the only worthwhile focus in their lives. Good for you as an elitist and exclusionist.



I know plenty of those types but watch the news someday or look at some surveys and you will see that that is the minority. There are just as many single parent families today as those who stuck it out.



Not sure what system you are referring to, but there are many parents that will buy themselves toys or alcohol or a nice car and let their children go hungry. You must not watch much news.

You seem to be in an isolated dream world thinking that all parents have children for non selfish reasons and that people without children have no worthwhile focus in life. You should crawl back into your hole or wake up to reality.

Just for the record, I have several worthwhile focuses in my life. My wife and I are dealing with aging sick parents, one dead, 2 in nursing homes and a 3rd crippled with arthritis.

We both volunteer at or local Senior Center although we are not old enough to belong to it.

My wife teaches Meditation, most of the time for free.

Plenty more that I don't need to list to rebut your off base thoughts about people without children.

The main reson we decided not to have children was exactly because we did not want to be selfish and bring more children into a world of overpopulation and knowing how bad their future would be. That was the most unselfish thing we have ever chosen to do, not that any of this is your business.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Just look under my name. A christian called me that in a post. Other than deleting spam I must not be worthwhile.

I think you are worthwhile, and I also think you should remove that disturbing little message from under your name. :yesnod:

In the future...I request that you not repeat negative messages that pathetic judgmental idiots direct your way.
Some that profess their Christian faith forgot the love when directing comments to people who's lives are different from their own.

[Hyfi]

And,yes, monkeys can reproduce too. It's a curse of biology there that those least fit tend to have the most but by those that ARE better than that to choose to not reproduce, they abicate their role in making a better future for the planet. And, as such, should have little or no say in it's future. Idiocracy, anyone?

You have some odd views.

If I got what you said correct, you are claiming that ONLY people with children should have a say in their OWN future and it should be left up to only those who do have children.

I'm scared to death at getting older as I look at today's teens and young adults around me, not all so don't even go there, that will be running the world, working in hospitals and nursing homes and everywhere else. If these people and the parents who brought them into the world are the only people who should have a say in the future, you're in as much trouble as I am.

Good luck with your way of thinking and I can't wait to here back from you when you get a little older and end up in a Nursing Home full of all these people whose parents where the only ones with a worthwhile or real goal in their life.

[JohnMichael]

I think you are worthwhile, and I also think you should remove that disturbing little message from under your name. :yesnod:

In the future...I request that you not repeat negative messages that pathetic judgmental idiots direct your way.
Some that profess their Christian faith, forgot the love when directing comments to people who's lives are different from their own.



Thank you. You are correct and I changed it.

[markw]

You have some odd views.

If I got what you said correct, you are claiming that ONLY people with children should have a say in their OWN future and it should be left up to only those who do have children.

I'm scared to death at getting older as I look at today's teens and young adults around me, not all so don't even go there, that will be running the world, working in hospitals and nursing homes and everywhere else. If these people and the parents who brought them into the world are the only people who should have a say in the future, you're in as much trouble as I am.

Good luck with your way of thinking and I can't wait to here back from you when you get a little older and end up in a Nursing Home full of all these people whose parents where the only ones with a worthwhile or real goal in their life.Well, by not trying to add to the solution, you are simply let the others win.

What I find amusing is that the young people that were raised as contemporaries with our kids (my youngest is 33) were raised in basically a church oriented environment and, so far, are doing quite well and treat those around them the way they would be treated. Two of my kids (and their wives) are actually involved in church administration so they can pass on the good works. You would be in good hands if you were lucky enough to be in their care and some of their friends actually went into nursing and other service professions. Now, perhaps it's possible you're seeing the results of monkeys making babies and "raising" them without values?

In the future I'll most likely be living with one of the kids, or grandkids, assuming no major health issues. What are your plans?

[ForeverAutumn]

Well, this thread has taken quite an interesting turn.

[ForeverAutumn]

I would like to go on record as a member without children.

You would make an awesome Dad! Corky is a very lucky boy. :biggrin5:

[Hyfi]

In the future I'll most likely be living with one of the kids, or grandkids, assuming no major health issues. What are your plans?

I hope that also works out for you.

Now you got me. I'm looking to adopt a 33 year old at the moment.
Did you have the kids with the thought in mind that they would always be there to take care of you when you got old? Never even gave it a thought? Everybody does, we brought it up when discussing it many years ago.

So now I am dealing with my finances in a way that I can set myself up in a good place before I fall completely apart.

Cheers, time for a nice batch of Kamakazies!

[markw]

I hope that also works out for you.

Now you got me. I'm looking to adopt a 33 year old at the moment.
Did you have the kids with the thought in mind that they would always be there to take care of you when you got old? Never even gave it a thought? Everybody does, we brought it up when discussing it many years ago.

So now I am dealing with my finances in a way that I can set myself up in a good place before I fall completely apart.

Cheers, time for a nice batch of Kamakazies!Not really. It's just something you hope for since you can't really force it on them. They learn from the way we treat our parents. My wife's parents both died in Brasil where they retired and my Dad died suddenly but Mom wound up with Alzheimers and Osteoporosis and living with us was impossible, but we gave it a good go until it became unworkable.

Two have made the offer, several times, but we're not quite ready to take them up on it yet. We're not that old yet that we don't appreciate some privacy. ;)

[MartinJones]

I am stunned by the diversity of opinions on this issue

[ForeverAutumn]

Welcome to AR Martin. Yes, we are a very diverse group. :)

Edit: Ooops. I see that Martin has already been suspended. Should I take back my Welcome?

[bobsticks]

Welcome to AR Martin. Yes, we are a very diverse group. :)

Lol, don't get too chummy Fall Girl...we're having a bit of a spam attack. Martin didn't want to play fair.

[GMichael]

Welcome to the door Martin. Careful as you leave.

[JohnMichael]

People come and go so quickly around here.

[ForeverAutumn]

Spammers are just part of our diversity, I guess. :D

It seems like the spam level around this place has gone up hugely lately. Is it at all related to the new software?

[3LB]

I only have two kids...

as far as I know :ihih:

[GMichael]

I only have two kids...

as far as I know :ihih:

What's this, more spam?
:ciappa:

[nobody]

Just want to say, you don't have to have kids to leave a legacy in this world. I know many childless people that touch many other lives deeply and regularly. It's rather sad if you think all your time in this world only boils down to some biology you left behind.

[ForeverAutumn]

Just want to say, you don't have to have kids to leave a legacy in this world. I know many childless people that touch many other lives deeply and regularly. It's rather sad if you think all your time in this world only boils down to some biology you left behind.

Well said. :thumbsup:

[markw]

Just want to say, you don't have to have kids to leave a legacy in this world. I know many childless people that touch many other lives deeply and regularly. It's rather sad if you think all your time in this world only boils down to some biology you left behind.Don't even think it stops at having kids. They add to everything else one adds, only in a more personal manner.

[JohnMichael]

Don't even think it stops at having kids. They add to everything else one adds, only in a more personal manner.



I am sure the Anthony family agrees.

[markw]

I am sure the Anthony family agrees.One out of how many? It seems your parents didn't kill you, nor did any of ours. Which would you say is a more valid example?

Now, in nature, some animals kill their young as SOP. It's part of nature. Any comments you want to make on that?

[JohnMichael]

One out of how many? It seems your parents didn't kill you, nor did any of ours. Which would you say is a more valid example?

Now, in nature, some animals kill their young as SOP. It's part of nature. Any comments you want to make on that?



I have reached the same point another member has, you are funny.

[markw]

I have reached the same point another member has, you are funny.Well, I truly believe (hope) that your Casey Anthony crack was a failed attempt at humor but, in actually, it was simply stupid. But, kudos for trying anyway.

[JohnMichael]

:21:
Well, I truly believe (hope) that your Casey Anthony crack was a failed attempt at humor but, in actually, it was simply stupid. But, kudos for trying anyway.

Not an attempt at humor but making a point.

[markw]

:21:

Not an attempt at humor but making a point.And what point might that be?