It's like nothing we've ever done before

[atomicAdam]

I just got this in my inbox - should we be scared, frightened, delighted or apprehensive?

Anyone care to speculate?

http://gallery.audioreview.com/data/audio//500/medium/bose-like-nothing-ever-befo.jpg

[dakatabg]

Maybe Bose is going to show us something amazing they made!!!

[ForeverAutumn]

Maybe they're going to introduce speakers that are actually worth the money!

[GMichael]

Speakers that fit on the head of a pin and sound like giant ugly $200,000 speakers!

[atomicAdam]

Speakers that fit on the head of a pin and sound like giant ugly $200,000 speakers!

Hey now - don't insult giant ugly 200,000 speakers. they have sensitive feelings... why do you think they are so big?

[pixelthis]

How about a wave radio with an ipod dock?
A HTib suckfiesta, excepr with a sucky BLU player?
3D?(brain damage for sure).
DONT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!:1:

[atomicAdam]

Pix - would that make it an iWave?

I can see that being likely, personally.

[3LB]

They're going to show us:

a) the latest 80 year old patent they've just bought out and tout as their own research.

b) a list of publications they're suing for liable for posting actual measurements of review gear

c) a list of small speaker companies they're mailing cease and desist letters to for using the terms 'folded horn', 'transmittion line' or 'bass module'.

d) a list of audio-related publications they've pulled advertising from because a reviewer gave their product a bad review.

...prolly just a)

[pixelthis]

Pix - would that make it an iWave?

I can see that being likely, personally.

GOOD ONE.
No, "iwave", more like a piece of crap. You know the ROMANS (or anyone with a
megaphone) has used the principles behind the wave P.O.S, right?:1:

[GMichael]

Hey now - don't insult giant ugly 200,000 speakers. they have sensitive feelings... why do you think they are so big?
Because they are horny?:devil:

[ForeverAutumn]

Well it's Tuesday. I'm waiting for Adam to enlighten us. :)

[GMichael]

Well it's Tuesday. I'm waiting for Adam to enlighten us. :)
Didn't you get his PM?

[Ajani]

Sounds like the Bose VideoWave:

http://whathifi.com/News/Bose-puts-the-home-cinema-into-the-TV-with-the-6000-VideoWave/

Essentially an all-in-one TV/HT....

[ForeverAutumn]

Wow. Here's the link to Bose's web site. (http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/controller?url=/shop_online/videowave/index.jsp)

$5,349?! Are they serious? I guess Bose didn't get the memo that there's a recession going on.

[TheHills44060]

Omg this is hilarious.

I have a friend who used to work for Bose in the online support department in Boston. Some of the stories he had were classic...

[ForeverAutumn]

Well it's Tuesday. I'm waiting for Adam to enlighten us. :)

Somebody's screwing with me. There was picture of a dog in my above post. But then when I commented on it, it was gone. I think the zombie-dogs are coming for me. :eek6:

[kevlarus]

Somebody's screwing with me. There was picture of a dog in my above post. But then when I commented on it, it was gone. I think the zombie-dogs are coming for me. :eek6:


Naaaa... it's the Bose Zombie-Wave

[budgetaudio76]

good god! Thats probably a 600dollar type screen. .50 cents per woofer and .25 on the mids and tweets combined. Maybe 35 dollar(i know on the high side.) amp...For over five grand they could have at least used a 85 or so inch screen. and Kevlar drivers. and Be tweeters. At least.

[ForeverAutumn]

It's an even sweeter deal (NOT!) if you live in Canada. Bose.ca shows the price as $6,349. That's $1,000 more than the US price. But based on today's currency exchange, the equivalent of the US price should be $5,683. So where are they getting the extra $665 from???

I guess when you're only going to sell a half dozen of something a year, you have to build in a big profit margin. :rolleyes:

[JohnMichael]

It's an even sweeter deal (NOT!) if you live in Canada. Bose.ca shows the price as $6,349. That's $1,000 more than the US price. But based on today's currency exchange, the equivalent of the US price should be $5,683. So where are they getting the extra $665 from???

I guess when you're only going to sell a half dozen of something a year, you have to build in a big profit margin. :rolleyes:




The shipping charges on all that fabulousnes.

[audio amateur]

Sounds like the Bose VideoWave:

http://whathifi.com/News/Bose-puts-the-home-cinema-into-the-TV-with-the-6000-VideoWave/

Essentially an all-in-one TV/HT....
LOL one of the guys who commented gently laid out what he thinks of Bose:D

[Feanor]

It's an even sweeter deal (NOT!) if you live in Canada. Bose.ca shows the price as $6,349. That's $1,000 more than the US price. But based on today's currency exchange, the equivalent of the US price should be $5,683. So where are they getting the extra $665 from???

I guess when you're only going to sell a half dozen of something a year, you have to build in a big profit margin. :rolleyes:
That's standard. Canadians are ripped off every day in every way based on exchange rates; (books and magazines are a notorious example: typically 20% above US$). The main rational is volitility: the Canadian $ bobs up & down with the price of oil.

The Bose price for this POS is consistent with the Bose practice of over-priced product. But still you continually hear the average Joe tell you that "Bose is the best sound I've heard" or words to that effect.

[Ajani]

Are we honesty talking about Canadians being ripped off by BOSE when the Brits are paying 6000GBP...


6000GBP = 9,473USD

WTF??? Seriously... 9.5K for a Bose TV???

[ForeverAutumn]

Are we honesty talking about Canadians being ripped off by BOSE when the Brits are paying 6000GBP...


6000GBP = 9,473USD

WTF??? Seriously... 9.5K for a Bose TV???

OMG! That's just insanity. I would love to see the pricing proposal for this product. I wonder how many of these they expect to sell?

[GMichael]

OMG! That's just insanity. I would love to see the pricing proposal for this product. I wonder how many of these they expect to sell?
I bet they end up selling more than any of us would expect. "There's a sucka born every minute."

[L.J.]

Hmmm...thinking about selling half my gear to get one of these. Wonder how much i can get for my truck :idea:

[GMichael]

Hmmm...thinking about selling half my gear to get one of these. Wonder how much i can get for my truck :idea:
Just don't sell your sub.:eek6:

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=ForeverAutumn]Somebody's screwing with me. There was picture of a dog in my above post. But then when I commented on it, it was gone. I think the zombie-dogs are coming for me. :eek6:

[pixelthis]

Another "doze" paperweight, these guys keep it up and old DARTH is gonna be outta a job..
Mitsubishi has a 47 in with a built in audio system for half the price.
I guess there arent any more IDIOTS to sell five hundred clock radios to, Iran is the only country left.:1:

[ForeverAutumn]

Cute photo Pix. :lol: (the dog, not the guy with no teeth)

Can I have a cookie?

[GMichael]

Cute photo Pix. :lol: (the dog, not the guy with no teeth)

Can I have a cookie?


Choco-chip?
Oatmeal?
Sugar?
Peanutbutter?

[Invader3k]

Knock it all you want, but I wouldn't be shocked to see these sell like hot cakes.

[pixelthis]

Cute photo Pix. :lol: (the dog, not the guy with no teeth)

Can I have a cookie?

all out...SORRY.
Drink the koolaid instead.:1:

[pixelthis]

Just don't sell your sub.:eek6:

You can have mine!:1:

[E-Stat]

I just got this in my inbox - should we be scared, frightened, delighted or apprehensive?
Now that you see the details, the application is pretty interesting. For those with limited space or more haute-couture sensibilities over having large speakers, subs and wiring, it will likely be a success. It employs a couple of previous Bose concepts: six small woofers firing into a transmission line along with multiple tweeters arrayed on the back edge of the screen for invisibility and indirect radiation for enhanced "spaciousness". Here (http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/videowave/index.jsp#cmd=04&arg=1) are some videos including one on the sound system.

rw

[Ajani]

Now that you see the details, the application is pretty interesting. For those with limited space or more haute-couture sensibilities over having large speakers, subs and wiring, it will likely be a success. It employs a couple of previous Bose concepts: six small woofers firing into a transmission line along with multiple tweeters arrayed on the back edge of the screen for invisibility and indirect radiation for enhanced "spaciousness". Here (http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/videowave/index.jsp#cmd=04&arg=1) are some videos including one on the sound system.

rw

Bose usually has interesting concepts.... They've specialized in addressing a market that most HiFi brands ignore; People who really hate the look of electronics...

This TV is a good idea, but as always the question is really whether the aesthetics, sound and image quality will in anyway justify the heavy price tag....

[E-Stat]

This TV is a good idea, but as always the question is really whether the aesthetics, sound and image quality will in anyway justify the heavy price tag....
For those in the "know", no. Nevertheless, I still suspect it will be a runaway success because of the convenience and cosmetics. More importantly, other makers may decide that they should do more than putting two wimpy little speakers on a mid-sized TV that most likely will run standalone. Let the competition begin!

rw

[Ajani]

For those in the "know", no. Nevertheless, I still suspect it will be a runaway success because of the convenience and cosmetics. More importantly, other makers may decide that they should do more than putting two wimpy little speakers on a mid-sized TV that most likely will run standalone. Let the competition begin!

rw

Agreed... I hope it encourages other manufacturers to upgrade the speakers they include on TVs....

[pixelthis]

Now that you see the details, the application is pretty interesting. For those with limited space or more haute-couture sensibilities over having large speakers, subs and wiring, it will likely be a success. It employs a couple of previous Bose concepts: six small woofers firing into a transmission line along with multiple tweeters arrayed on the back edge of the screen for invisibility and indirect radiation for enhanced "spaciousness". Here (http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/videowave/index.jsp#cmd=04&arg=1) are some videos including one on the sound system.

rw

It is still not worth six freakin grand.
Mitshubishi has a set at half the price that probably sounds at least as good(or better)!!:1:

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/unisen.html

[E-Stat]

It is still not worth six freakin grand.
I've already acknowledged that you can buy more for your $5349. They are shrewd in that they offer monthly payments for most of their products that tends to gloss over the high package cost. Much like the question asked of car buyers, "So what monthly payment can your afford?" For them, it has always been a matter of marketing the value of convenience and simplicity over low cost.


Mitshubishi has a set at half the price that probably sounds at least as good(or better)
I seriously doubt that twelve or eighteen one inch drivers can provide the kind of low end than six woofers in a transmission line can provide. Unlike, the Mitsu, all of the speakers are completely hidden (hint: woo women buyers with nice purses) and the unit provides an iPod dock. In any event, Bose has proven they understand a particular market segment and I think this unit will sell quite well. Say what you will, but Amar has been laughing all the way to the bank for a long time. :)

rw

[3LB]

I've already acknowledged that you can buy more for your $5349... For them, it has always been a matter of marketing the value of convenience and simplicity over low cost...Unlike, the Mitsu, all of the speakers are completely hidden (hint: woo women buyers with nice purses) and the unit provides an iPod dock. In any event, Bose has proven they understand a particular market segment and I think this unit will sell quite well. Say what you will, but Amar has been laughing all the way to the bank for a long time. :)

+1

My wife has been after me forever to buy "those cute little Bose thingies" because she'd rather never see the gear.

I think this TV's sound system would be a great center channel, as long as it wasn't a stand alone monitor.

I would love to have enough money to buy this TV... then I would buy three times the set-up, elsewhere.

[pixelthis]

I've already acknowledged that you can buy more for your $5349. They are shrewd in that they offer monthly payments for most of their products that tends to gloss over the high package cost. Much like the question asked of car buyers, "So what monthly payment can your afford?" For them, it has always been a matter of marketing the value of convenience and simplicity over low cost.


I seriously doubt that twelve or eighteen one inch drivers can provide the kind of low end than six woofers in a transmission line can provide. Unlike, the Mitsu, all of the speakers are completely hidden (hint: woo women buyers with nice purses) and the unit provides an iPod dock. In any event, Bose has proven they understand a particular market segment and I think this unit will sell quite well. Say what you will, but Amar has been laughing all the way to the bank for a long time. :)

rw

Hes' certainly a student of P.T Barnum.:1:

[E-Stat]

Hes' certainly a student of P.T Barnum.:1:
Amar has been made a wealthy man by delivering what a lot of folks want.

rw

[pixelthis]

Amar has been made a wealthy man by delivering what a lot of folks want.

rw

What his slick marketing tells them they want. His entire enterprise is evidence that
those who dismiss Americans as a bunch of morons are not far off the mark.:1:

[Invader3k]

Of note is that the price tag includes delivery and installation. Still probably doesn't justify the price tag for most on this forum, but I imagine it's appealing to a lot of people.

I wonder if it has a subwoofer out? Probably not.

[Ajani]

What his slick marketing tells them they want. His entire enterprise is evidence that
those who dismiss Americans as a bunch of morons are not far off the mark.:1:

All countries have loads of morons... It's just that American stupidity is different from Jamaican stupidity, which is different from Japanese stupidity...

As for marketing... I don't think it's just that Bose tells them what they should want... More that he designs products to exploit those wants... We always talk about WAF in HiFi.. Bose didn't invent WAF, but he sure as heck milks it for all it's worth...

[Ajani]

Of note is that the price tag includes delivery and installation. Still probably doesn't justify the price tag for most on this forum, but I imagine it's appealing to a lot of people.

I wonder if it has a subwoofer out? Probably not.

I think E-Stat put it best:


For those in the "know", no.

Those of us with experience in this hobby will not be swayed by the BoseTV, but many consumers with very deep pockets and a desire for simple, high WAF, products will opt for the Bose...

[E-Stat]

What his slick marketing tells them they want.
Most importantly, Bose products *look* like what they want.

rw

[pixelthis]

All countries have loads of morons... It's just that American stupidity is different from Jamaican stupidity, which is different from Japanese stupidity...

As for marketing... I don't think it's just that Bose tells them what they should want... More that he designs products to exploit those wants... We always talk about WAF in HiFi.. Bose didn't invent WAF, but he sure as heck milks it for all it's worth...

a DECENT marketing dept has two main tasks, put lipstick on a pig to try to sell
the latest lemon. The second is twofold, to come up with new products, and try to sell those.
Since decent audio products last decades(with crappy stuff lasting on a decade or so)
being a marketing person in an audio-visual company has been a challenge to say the least.
LUCKY for them there is a segment of the audio market that goes by what they "think"
rather than facts. THESE PEOPLE are easily convinced to part with their money, just
come up with enough BS to slather on and you have a sale. Try to tell them that a product
is little more than snakeoil, and not only will they ignore you, they will actually get incensed that you would dare question their expertise.
So they pay hundreds (or even thousands) on fancy cables, "power cords", and
come out with a SET tube set with a circuit from a 1934 Sears catalog and they come running. All you need to do is slather on enough BS about the "special" qualities
of what you are selling, and you don't have to convince them about anything, they will convince themselves. HISTORIANS will be puzzled as to why people paid thousands
on gear run by Tubes to play scratchy analog records.
SO WE CAN'T denigrate the typical "doze" customer, if someone with years of experience can be conned into paying hundreds for something you can get all day long
for one tenth the price, then can we fault the average joe who falls for the "direct reflecting"
nonsense, the spacial imaging circuitry that can be found on any 20 buck sound card,
the "wave" radio which uses the "special" "waveguides"(a megaphone, basically, in use since Roman times, or even earlier), all executed with the cheapest , most mediocre
parts you can find. "BASS MODULES" that can't be called subwoofers because their
performance is not up to the standards of even the cheapest sub.
THE STUFF looks "cool" and the wifey loves the tiny speakers, thats all that matters.
SAD, REALLY.But hey, look at who IS PRESIDENT.:1:

[budgetaudio76]

i totally agree.
no confidence to begin with. Even less now.