Problem Loading Main Page [Archive]

bfalls

07-07-2010, 05:24 AM

Hi. Anyone else having trouble viewing threads. I'm able to start the main forum page, but it doesn't fully display. Going by what is being loaded displayed at the bottom of the page, it appears one of the ads isn't able to load. If I go to "Private Messages" I can perform a "New Posts" and get here to start a new thread. If I try to go anywhere else, I get hung-up by the ad trying to load.

Am I the only one having this problem?

ForeverAutumn

07-07-2010, 07:13 AM

I can't access the speaker or home theatre forums. The only thing that loads is the gray bar across the top that tells you want forum you are in and everything above it. I can access Rave Recs, Fave Films,Off-Topic, and this forum just fine. I haven't tried any others.

ForeverAutumn

07-07-2010, 07:18 AM

I just went back to the tab that I tried to load the Speaker forum on and it was there now. So I tried again and it eventually came up, it seems that its just taking a very, very long time to load.

bfalls

07-07-2010, 11:17 AM

Thanks for the response FA. I'm still having a problem, but can access via search function. Just can't get to the main page. Anytime it needs to reload it hangs up. As long as I'm not the only one. Misery love company.

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-07-2010, 11:49 AM

I am having the same problem with all of the sections. They eventually load, but it takes minutes to do so. Then when I get here, it loads in a millisecond.

What's up with that???

dakatabg

07-07-2010, 05:10 PM

Me too. Sometimes it takes a while to open and sometimes it doesn't even open the page. Last night they had something like a maintance because at night it was telling me that and the whole site was down

Smokey

07-07-2010, 06:31 PM

What make this site slow is all the advertisments trying to load into your browser via Java Script. The way around this is to disable your browser's Java and Script ActiveX. Then the AR pages will loads like a snap. Of course advertisers won't like it :)

bfalls

07-08-2010, 05:23 AM

The site is working fine for me now. Whatever was done solved my problems.

ForeverAutumn

07-08-2010, 04:20 PM

Smokey

07-08-2010, 09:26 PM

I'm still having problems.

Smokey, everything worked fine for me until yesterday morning. Now, some pages work and some don't. I'm not convinced that it's Java related. Besides I shouldn't have to start screwing around with my Java script just for this site. They should be accomodating the users, not the other way around.

I did an experiment. I abled browser's Java and script, and clicked on your above post from main forum page. It took 11 seconds to load your post after going thru a blank page.

But when I disable Java and script, it only takes 1 second to load. So any slow down can be Java related. Give it a try to see if you notice any differences.

Also turn your cookies off too :)

ForeverAutumn

07-10-2010, 11:10 AM

Hi Smokey,
Thanks for the experiment, but I'm not modifying my setting for the site. As I said before, AR should be accomodating the users and not the other way around (besides, I use a Mac at home and I'm not even sure how to change my Java settings).

It's also interesting to note that this is a site Feedback page and I haven't seen any sign of Adam or anyone else checking in and letting us know that they're aware of and working on this problem.

In the meantime, I will continue to use the forums that I can easily access, but I'm not visiting the forums that I'm having trouble with. I suspect that any new users trying to access these forums for advice will also give up. Not a good way to run a business...I'm just saying.

ForeverAutumn

07-10-2010, 11:17 AM

I just sent Adam an email with a link to this thread in case he hasn't seen it. Hopefully, he can chime in with some information and, hopefully, a solution.

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-10-2010, 04:58 PM

Smoke, does your workaround work for Chrome as well. I don't use that stinky Microsoft browser.

Smokey

07-10-2010, 08:36 PM

I am not sure Sir TT since I only use IE. I also find if you surf the net without Java and Script, there is also less chance of browser being targeted by viruses since they can not load into your browser via script.

The only problem is that alot of sites will not let you browse their web pages without the script abled. It just give you a blank page, or limited maneuverbility.

Feanor

07-11-2010, 04:33 AM

... all slow -to- stop, including with "Opera Turbo" switched on. I tried the Speakers forum minutes ago with all these browsers and all were painfully slow. Something is busted at this site -- which has always one of the slowest on the Web.

Rich-n-Texas

07-11-2010, 08:06 AM

I'm still having problems.

Smokey, everything worked fine for me until yesterday morning. Now, some pages work and some don't. I'm not convinced that it's Java related. Besides I shouldn't have to start screwing around with my Java script just for this site. They should be accomodating the users, not the other way around.
Bing-frickin'-O
There are sites out there with friendly Active-x scripts that I may not want shutoff.

I'm not even going to bother resurecting alllllllll the old threads that I and others have started in the past about this. Way too redundant. Falls on deaf ears. Again, it's all about head count here. 35 - 40 active members = little or no attention from the marketing dept and "engineers" at AR.

PeruvianSkies

07-11-2010, 07:52 PM

Bing-frickin'-O
There are sites out there with friendly Active-x scripts that I may not want shutoff.

I'm not even going to bother resurecting alllllllll the old threads that I and others have started in the past about this. Way too redundant. Falls on deaf ears. Again, it's all about head count here. 35 - 40 active members = little or no attention from the marketing dept and "engineers" at AR.

Rich, let me ask you a 2-part question....

1. What would you cite as the main reasons why this place has so few regulars?

2. What changes do you think would yield the best results in getting this place back to a thriving community?

Rich-n-Texas

07-12-2010, 06:26 AM

Rich, let me ask you a 2-part question....

1. What would you cite as the main reasons why this place has so few regulars?
Okay. It's painfully easy to understand why just by looking at all the links on this sub-forum's index page, but I'll list a few in this post since you've been away: (Not necessarily in chronological order, but some go 4 or more years back)

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=26542

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=27706

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=28912

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=27821

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=30565

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=32126

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=34262

Those threads all had to do with spammers. There were suggestions on how to resolve the problems made by people much more capable than me, but were by & large ignored by the people most able to affect change on this board.

Here are a lot of threads started by people with slow page load issues:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=28251

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=28327

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=29647

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=30845

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=31776

In that last link, you'll see Adam's answer for that thread. Join the sister site: mtbREVIEW.com's forum, see how many active members exist there, and see if you have any page load issues. $10 bucks says you won't.

2. What changes do you think would yield the best results in getting this place back to a thriving community?

Here's where I took the lead on this forum when there WAS NO admin, and thus no means for getting anything fixed here:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=27359

I tried and tried and tried, I worked diligently with Adam, but in the end, same ol' same ol' (yeah I said it again). Somebody else's turn. I now have the right to whine again, don't you think?

atomicAdam

07-12-2010, 11:09 AM

We were having issues w/ a ad script last week - it was removed - is the main forum page still slow for people?

Also if you hit control+F5 your browser will refresh everything on the page. I pulled the bad ad code the day I was informed of it, I think last Thursday the 8th. If you have issues after that it is probably a cache issue, maybe.

atomicAdam

07-12-2010, 11:15 AM

now have the right to whine again, don't you think?

Might be all you have to do in life rich, so go for it.

Feanor

07-12-2010, 12:38 PM

ForeverAutumn

07-12-2010, 02:24 PM

I can't get into the Speaker forum either.

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-12-2010, 02:27 PM

Rich, let me ask you a 2-part question....

1. What would you cite as the main reasons why this place has so few regulars?

Not enough technical information being exchanged, and the trashing of every potentially valueable thread at the hands of a single out of control person.

2. What changes do you think would yield the best results in getting this place back to a thriving community?

This site needs reviews...legit well done reviews(not the amatuerish user reviews) of all kinds. Equipment reviews done in house, DVD, CD, SACD and Blu ray reviews by knowledgeable folks with good writing skills. This site needs something that draws folks to it, something it does not have now.

The problem with mentioning any of this boils down to the perception(or fact) that the website owner are not interested in investing anything into this site that can spur growth.

ForeverAutumn

07-12-2010, 03:07 PM

If you have issues after that it is probably a cache issue, maybe.

I've cleared my cache Adam. I still can't get into the Speaker forum. And I actually have some new speakers that I wanted to talk about!

Rich-n-Texas

07-12-2010, 03:23 PM

Might be all you have to do in life rich, so go for it.
Nice insult administrator. Very professional.

Rich-n-Texas

07-12-2010, 03:27 PM

We were having issues w/ a ad script last week - it was removed....
Wash rinse repeat. Once every month.

JohnMichael

07-12-2010, 03:33 PM

Nice insult administrator. Very professional.

Adam I tried to give you rep points.

ForeverAutumn

07-12-2010, 04:04 PM

No rep points for Adam until he gets the problem fixed!!!

:p

PeruvianSkies

07-12-2010, 04:05 PM

Wash rinse repeat. Once every month.

Is anyone here savvy enough to begin a new community/website? I'd be willing to help facilitate however need be.

poppachubby

07-12-2010, 04:05 PM

Rich, let me ask you a 2-part question....

1. What would you cite as the main reasons why this place has so few regulars?

2. What changes do you think would yield the best results in getting this place back to a thriving community?

Funny, I've asked those same questions. Presently, AudioKarma is flourishing, and I mean flourishing. They just had the most users online about a week ago or so, I think it was approx 2500. You can see on their main page.

There is a difference over there. The admins and mods will not allow trolling, crapping or any flaming of any sort. In general, the population are very friendly and accepting of what each other perceive as great gear.

However, the problem I find with this is that people become disillusioned. They think their Pioneer amp from 1976 is every bit as good as anything else. There are members with top shelf gear, but they generally keep their opinions to themselves.

I recall a thread recently at AK where the OP was on about DBTs and how his old, lame gear was as good as anything else. Of course it provoked a flame war and even ol JoeESP9 was in on the action. At the end of the day there was no telling this guy that his entry level gear was at the bottom of the food chain.

I will never fault someone if something sounds good to them, but people, there IS an order to things. I know where my gear sits in that order, and when to bow accordingly. :3: That's why I love this site, everyone here understands "the way of things" and strives for that ultimate sound. AR is a small but mighty community...

ForeverAutumn

07-12-2010, 05:01 PM

AR is a small but mighty community...

Nicely said.

This place used to be a thriving site with a much, much larger community. But then they changed software and it slowed the site down to a crawl for many of the users. The attitude from management was that the users were expected to change in order to keep up with the site. Not a very customer friendly attitude. So people left, the site suffered, and its never regained its former glory.

Having said that, I like the smaller community here. When I need help, I know that there are people here who I can trust to give me good advice...and I know who's blowing wind. I do wish that the Rave Recs site was a little more active. I miss the music discussions and all the great recommendations that I used to get there. When I joined this site I was buying an average of 8-10 disks a month. Now I buy 2-3 a month and most of them are recs from Progressive Ears, not here. My wallet is happy, but my ears are often bored.

But it is what it is. And what it is, is great people.

PeruvianSkies

07-12-2010, 05:50 PM

Nice insult administrator. Very professional.

Hmmm. Maybe we should rise up against these tyrannical mods.

Rich-n-Texas

07-12-2010, 05:51 PM

Is anyone here savvy enough to begin a new community/website? I'd be willing to help facilitate however need be.
So did I give you satisfactory answers to your questions PS?

Rich-n-Texas

07-12-2010, 05:52 PM

Adam I tried to give you rep points.
Silly little girl.

PeruvianSkies

07-12-2010, 05:52 PM

So did I give you satisfactory answers to your questions PS?

Yep, same ole' B.S. as before with nothing and no-one to help make those changes to make this place thrive.

JohnMichael

07-12-2010, 06:07 PM

Silly little girl.

Meet me and call me a silly little girl and how about three days off.

JohnMichael

07-12-2010, 06:14 PM

Hmmm. Maybe we should rise up against these tyrannical mods.

Oh rise up.

Smokey

07-12-2010, 06:23 PM

We were having issues w/ a ad script last week.

I didn't :D

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-12-2010, 06:35 PM

Nicely said.

This place used to be a thriving site with a much, much larger community. But then they changed software and it slowed the site down to a crawl for many of the users. The attitude from management was that the users were expected to change in order to keep up with the site. Not a very customer friendly attitude. So people left, the site suffered, and its never regained its former glory.

Don't forget the heavy handiness by the site administrator at the time. He essentially squelched every meaningful information debate even when they were not all that nasty. Nobody could disagree or make a counterpoint without him locking the thread and warning the posters.

Having said that, I like the smaller community here. When I need help, I know that there are people here who I can trust to give me good advice...and I know who's blowing wind. I do wish that the Rave Recs site was a little more active. I miss the music discussions and all the great recommendations that I used to get there. When I joined this site I was buying an average of 8-10 disks a month. Now I buy 2-3 a month and most of them are recs from Progressive Ears, not here. My wallet is happy, but my ears are often bored.

But it is what it is. And what it is, is great people.

IMO, the problem with the Rave Recs has more to do with closed mindedness for other formats aside from CD, SACD and vinyl. When these formats are the only things discussed, the conversation easily sways off topic, or there isn't much to say. I would participate more in the Rave Rec section, but I am more interested in concert videos and classical and jazz on the Blu ray disc than any of the mature, dying, or niche formats.

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-12-2010, 06:36 PM

Oh rise up.

Is that a bloody dare????? Oh JM............

JohnMichael

07-12-2010, 06:50 PM

Is that a bloody dare????? Oh JM............

I find it interesting that they are going to rise up against the mods. All we really do is delete spam and only get involved when it gets truly ugly. Members pretty much have a free ride under this administration. Oh and the site is free. Sure there are problems but again it is free. A lot of entertainement for not much money.

Oh and no I do not back down.

bobsticks

07-12-2010, 06:57 PM

I see this thread will take a saucy turn...

ForeverAutumn

07-12-2010, 06:58 PM

This thread has been totally derailed.

I'm still having trouble with the Speaker forum in case anyone cares.

dakatabg

07-12-2010, 07:32 PM

I have the problems too but now I have another problem. Lately around this time when I got to the forum it says this "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later." and it is very annoying because I have to try few times and when I am browsing around the forum once in a while I get this message!!!

PeruvianSkies

07-12-2010, 07:42 PM

Ok, answer this question honestly....

How many of you use this site as a sidebar? What I mean by that is, you are already addicted in some way, shape, or form to other online activities such as YouTube, chatroom, Facebook, or some other online device and you essentially check on this site periodically while doing those other things just to kill time here and there, occasionally you get involved in a discussion, but for the most part, this helps consume useless minutes in your day and sometimes adds a bit of entertainment with fellow community members, who for the most part are like a second family.

I personally never go online with the only destination in mind being this place, often times I scroll over to here when I am bored, often times waiting for friend responses on Facebook or IM.

poppachubby

07-12-2010, 07:48 PM

dakatabg

07-12-2010, 07:55 PM

I have it on the bookmark bar so count 1+ here

I visit it here daily and go over every new post

PeruvianSkies

07-12-2010, 08:24 PM

On one hand you are curious how to make things better, and seem to care about the outcome here. Yet you only come here when your nose is void of boogers? Which is it?

Because on one hand, I have been around here long enough to know that nothing changes much, despite our pleas for making improvements, and yet at the same time, I don't need this site to satisfy my day, so while I would love for this site to make improvements and once again thrive, I am not interested in wasting too much time around here unless I see progress OR an opportunity to help make those changes happen.

Feanor

07-13-2010, 03:22 AM

poppachubby

07-13-2010, 03:52 AM

But management here seems uninterested in the usability of the site and instead have fixated on maximizing paid advertising content regardless of performance. Like I said above, this is one of the slowest sites I visit; surely this is counter productive even from the more enligtened perspective of management.

That's the irony Bill. Ads that none of us surely care about. I suppose some people who lurk may click on them.

poppachubby

07-13-2010, 03:58 AM

Because on one hand, I have been around here long enough to know that nothing changes much, despite our pleas for making improvements, and yet at the same time, I don't need this site to satisfy my day, so while I would love for this site to make improvements and once again thrive, I am not interested in wasting too much time around here unless I see progress OR an opportunity to help make those changes happen.

I think you have basically figured it out yourself. This site isn't getting any special injection of care from any higher ups. For those who like to crap on Adam's head, he is infact overworked just like anyone else who is employed in these trying times.

I have heard this rhetoric from other old school members who only occasionaly drop in. :frown2: The reality is that the site will only get better one member at a time. It's up to each member to contribute and make it as good as it can be. Plain and simple.

I agree with Terrence, if anything should be done it should be to raise the credibility of this site. In all honesty, we could organize some reviews, but it takes someone to initiate this. Perhaps you could get the ball rolling Peruvian Skies.

ForeverAutumn

07-13-2010, 05:17 AM

Don't forget the heavy handiness by the site administrator at the time. He essentially squelched every meaningful information debate even when they were not all that nasty. Nobody could disagree or make a counterpoint without him locking the thread and warning the posters.

I didn't really experience that. But back in those days I seldom wandered from the RR forum.

IMO, the problem with the Rave Recs has more to do with closed mindedness for other formats aside from CD, SACD and vinyl. When these formats are the only things discussed, the conversation easily sways off topic, or there isn't much to say. I would participate more in the Rave Rec section, but I am more interested in concert videos and classical and jazz on the Blu ray disc than any of the mature, dying, or niche formats.

I don't think that it is so much closed mindedness as just a small group of people who don't share that particular interest. If there were a wider range of participants, you would be more likely to find someone to have a more meaningful discussion with. But because this site seems to be dwindling, there just aren't enough people there to really have much of a long-term discussion about anything.

I have no interest in any format outside of CDs and the occasional concert DVD or Blu ray. Does it make me close-minded because I'm more interested in the music itself than the format that I hear it in? Maybe you should start a thread or two and see where it goes? Post a review of a great Blu ray concert disk. You never know what's going to hit the mark there.

ForeverAutumn

07-13-2010, 05:24 AM

Hmmm. Maybe we should rise up against these tyrannical mods.

You're kidding right? I've never seen a group of more laid-back, hands-off mods. About the only thing they do around here is delete spam and they do it for the love of the site, there is no other compensation. So get off your high horse and thank them for their time.

The mods are not the problem. An owner who doesn't want to invest in making this a better site, is the problem. But why spend money on improvements when the advertising dollars are rolling in regardless?

winston

07-13-2010, 07:17 AM

GMichael

07-13-2010, 07:49 AM

I haven't had any trouble with the sight working for me, but I just lurk here these days. Not much posting. You know me. Not much to add except the occasional comment or joke. I do miss how busy this sight used to be but don’t know how I could help. Many of the personalities who made this place what it was have moved on for a variety of reasons. We do see new members joining, but not fast enough to make up for the ones lost. And many of those who moved on were profesionals in the audio and/or video world. It will be hard to replace them.
FA,
Sorry to have strayed off topic. Can you access the speaker section yet?

bobsticks

07-13-2010, 09:03 AM

Hi all "administrator & moderators" for the pass two weeks I cant get pass the forum page "period" last night I tried for about twenty minutes trying to access (smokey Boondocks thread) with no luck, I would to get back to my one per week thingy!!

Oh by the way! I love that responsible comment "poppachubby"

I've been having problems reoccur with the Home Theater section and Speakers...I'm pretty sure that it's in the ad script which I am powerless to manipulate.

We should definitely overthrow the mods...:prrr:

GMichael

07-13-2010, 09:06 AM

I've been having problems reoccur with the Home Theater section and Speakers...I'm pretty sure that it's in the ad script which I am powerless to manipulate.

We should definitely overthrow the mods...:prrr:
You just long for ANY kind of physical contact huh?

bobsticks

07-13-2010, 09:13 AM

Guy has gotta do what he gotta do...

atomicAdam

07-13-2010, 09:30 AM

I'm having persistent problems with the 'Speakers' forum (in particular).

OK, ill check and see if there is any targeted ad code that I missed in my 1st sweep of the code.

Sorry for the trouble u guys. STtT is on to some important truths, and heck, I am the admin but I don't even work for ConsumerReview (site owner) any longer. So I'm helping out how/when I can.

atomicAdam

07-13-2010, 09:36 AM

Nice insult administrator. Very professional.

Rich, by this point, everyone knows you can be an ass, so I'm not really going to hold back.

atomicAdam

07-13-2010, 09:41 AM

So there appears to be a fundamental miss-understanding of roles that are played in the maintenance (or lack there of) of the AudioREVIEW forums.

So let me clarify.

Mod - Delete spam and ban user
Admin - A bit of code changes, mod activities.
Engineer - This would be the guy who would update the version of vB, add the correct and working ad code, and generally make the site run snappy. (pretty much the guy who would fix all the issues everyone has) - well - we don't have that guy - and when we do - he is so over loaded w/ other task that forums unfortunately come last because in the long run they are very well monetized and so there for receive less attention. Especially on a small forum like AudioREVIEW.

This is just the way it is. I can't do anything about it.

bobsticks

07-13-2010, 09:49 AM

This is just the way it is. I can't do anything about it.

Yeah but you got some damn nice Electrocompaniet gears...

atomicAdam

07-13-2010, 10:00 AM

Yeah but you got some damn nice Electrocompaniet gears...

Those are coming out on for Review for Dagogo.com, not AudioREVIEW.

After I'm finished w/ two more reviews on AudioREVIEW I'm no longer going to be writing reviews here.

Heck, I moved on. I'm now working at a property management group in SoCal.

So, you guys think you have a 100 complaints, don't even get me started on mine. I just decided to get another job with more opportunities for personal and financial growth.

Oh and bobsticks, they are damn nice. In all honesty though I love the system but it really needs some bigger drivers or a bigger box in for the bookshelves. They just don't push enough air around. The tweeter on the other hand is freaking amazing! Can't believe how detailed and clean it is. But I'll go into more on my review.

atomicAdam

07-13-2010, 10:03 AM

FA -

I went through every section of code I could that makes the forums run and removed 1 last lagging ad call. See if those forums speed up now.

If not, please let me know, there might be some code templates I'm not accessing. But I did go to the speaker forum and viewed source and searched for the ad code and saw nothing.

Also, at the bottom of your browser window it will generally tell you what URL is loading and if it is lagging it will display there for a while. LMK what that URL is if you are still having issues.

Thanks

ForeverAutumn

07-13-2010, 10:10 AM

FA -

I went through every section of code I could that makes the forums run and removed 1 last lagging ad call. See if those forums speed up now.

Thanks

Both the speaker and HT forums load in a split second now. You are the great one Adam. Thanks!

P.S. Congrats on the new job. I hope that we'll still see you around here.

ForeverAutumn

07-13-2010, 10:11 AM

Rich, by this point, everyone knows you can be an ass, so I'm not really going to hold back.

I'm sorry Rich, but this was funny! LMAO!

GMichael

07-13-2010, 10:12 AM

Remember Rich, girls always pick on the guys they like the most.

atomicAdam

07-13-2010, 10:39 AM

Both the speaker and HT forums load in a split second now. You are the great one Adam. Thanks!

P.S. Congrats on the new job. I hope that we'll still see you around here.

Thanks FA, I've actually been down here for 7 months now. It is going well.

Glad to know the forums are loading faster.

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-13-2010, 12:23 PM

I didn't really experience that. But back in those days I seldom wandered from the RR forum.

If you wandered in to the Hometheater, cable or speaker section this heavy handedness was in full effect. I learned so much about cables from the great debates that used to take place in that section. Tons of very valuable information. When the heavy hands hit the place, it cleared that place like a skunk at a picnic. It was so sad to see, and boy I complained bitterly about it.

I don't think that it is so much closed mindedness as just a small group of people who don't share that particular interest. If there were a wider range of participants, you would be more likely to find someone to have a more meaningful discussion with. But because this site seems to be dwindling, there just aren't enough people there to really have much of a long-term discussion about anything.

I have no interest in any format outside of CDs and the occasional concert DVD or Blu ray. Does it make me close-minded because I'm more interested in the music itself than the format that I hear it in? Maybe you should start a thread or two and see where it goes? Post a review of a great Blu ray concert disk. You never know what's going to hit the mark there.

The reason why there are so few people participating is because EVERYONE there seems stuck at vinyl and CD. Everyone seems perfectly happy just discussing these two legacy formats, and there is no room to discuss anything else. Mr. Peabody tried to start a thread on a Blu ray classical title, and aside from myself, the only thing that was louder was the crickets chirping. I tried to do the same thing a while back, same result. As long as it stays that way, the community will get smaller and smaller - as quite a few folks have moved on from these two formats. I remember when SACD and DVD-A was discussed there, and it seems that even that is gone.

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-13-2010, 12:36 PM

After all of this kvetshing I want to thank our mods here. I was a mod here once, and it is the most thankless job I have ever done. Adam, I also appreciate you as well. If we didn't have you, I don't know what condition this site would be in.

When can Rich come home? I know he has been temporarily barred from the house for poor behavior.

bobsticks

07-13-2010, 01:29 PM

After all of this kvetshing I want to thank our mods here. I was a mod here once, and it is the most thankless job I have ever done. Adam, I also appreciate you as well. If we didn't have you, I don't know what condition this site would be in...

Terrence I appreciate your for remembering although I doubt it's as thankless as it used to be. Simply, thank you.

When can Rich come home? I know he has been temporarily barred from the house for poor behavior.

I think Rich's words were ill-chosen...or perhaps, to craftily chosen. His well known animosity toward JM lifestyle put in a highly critical context. I can see why John would have been offended. If Rich called me those things I'd have laughed it off as we have a different relationship.

Fortunately for those of that like Rich (and haven't yet been the victims of his ire) he can return in a couple days. I think it's reasonable and I look forward to his return.

PeruvianSkies

07-14-2010, 07:57 AM

So is Rich blacklisted now too?

GMichael

07-14-2010, 08:03 AM

So is Rich blacklisted now too?

Just a few days off. I hope to see his posts soon.

PeruvianSkies

07-14-2010, 08:06 AM

Just a few days off. I hope to see his posts soon.

I guess I missed out on whatever it was that he did.

PeruvianSkies

07-14-2010, 09:49 AM

Did he forget the secret elder handshake?

bobsticks

07-14-2010, 09:55 AM

Nah...he just wore a puffy, leprechaun pirate shirt...:p

Love the new sig btw...

GMichael

07-14-2010, 10:03 AM

Nah...he just wore a puffy, leprechaun pirate shirt...:p

Love the new sig btw...

That wasn't a puffy shirt. The lumpy parts were just his... uh.... let's just call him Tripod.

bobsticks

07-14-2010, 10:52 AM

No doubt that's giving far too much credit...

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-14-2010, 11:40 AM

That wasn't a puffy shirt. The lumpy parts were just his... uh.... let's just call him Tripod.

GM this is just nasty......

3LB

07-14-2010, 11:42 AM

IMO, the problem with the Rave Recs has more to do with closed mindedness for other formats aside from CD, SACD and vinyl. When these formats are the only things discussed, the conversation easily sways off topic, or there isn't much to say. I would participate more in the Rave Rec section, but I am more interested in concert videos and classical and jazz on the Blu ray disc than any of the mature, dying, or niche formats.
So, not owning a bluray player or titles on bluray makes one closed-minded? I can't speak for all of RR, but I can't afford to leap from format to format and just how many new formats have been introduced in 10 years?

Sir-T, maybe you could map out just what it is exactly you want from a gear specific conversation on a music board. Myself, when clicking on a thread about a band/album/genre, I rarely assume one format or another. What more is there to discuss about a piece of music other than whether or not I like it? If I hated an album on CD, I won't like it any better on the newest, bestest format.

Either someone will be interested in the same music as you, or not. That's the way it is for all of us at RR. Music preference, just the music, is a subjective thing and there's scant little to argue about.

GMichael

07-14-2010, 11:43 AM

GM this is just nasty......
Thank you for noticing. I do have a quota to fill ya'know.

atomicAdam

07-14-2010, 06:43 PM

Either someone will be interested in the same music as you, or not. That's the way it is for all of us at RR. Music preference, just the music, is a subjective thing and there's scant little to argue about.

Actually I would beg to differ. Case in point: http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=34478

PeruvianSkies

07-14-2010, 07:14 PM

So, not owning a bluray player or titles on bluray makes one closed-minded? I can't speak for all of RR, but I can't afford to leap from format to format and just how many new formats have been introduced in 10 years?

Sir-T, maybe you could map out just what it is exactly you want from a gear specific conversation on a music board. Myself, when clicking on a thread about a band/album/genre, I rarely assume one format or another. What more is there to discuss about a piece of music other than whether or not I like it? If I hated an album on CD, I won't like it any better on the newest, bestest format.

Either someone will be interested in the same music as you, or not. That's the way it is for all of us at RR. Music preference, just the music, is a subjective thing and there's scant little to argue about.

Alright Sir T....start posting about those titles then....I have almost all of the OpusArte Blu-rays released to date and much of the other Naxos releases.....

My favorite title released thus far was Puccini's TOSCA. I often prefer the PCM tracks compared to some of the Dolby TrueHD mixes, and sometimes the DTS-MA's. I also have the sampler disc that has the benefit of showcasing all the various audio formats for quick comparison.

atomicAdam

07-14-2010, 08:13 PM

Alright Sir T....start posting about those titles then....I have almost all of the OpusArte Blu-rays released to date and much of the other Naxos releases.....

My favorite title released thus far was Puccini's TOSCA. I often prefer the PCM tracks compared to some of the Dolby TrueHD mixes, and sometimes the DTS-MA's. I also have the sampler disc that has the benefit of showcasing all the various audio formats for quick comparison.

If you are going to follow this post - please continue this in the RR section, since that is what it really is.

FYI - I'm going back to the time when I could have a harem of castrated young lads. who will sing to me upon the sun rise and death each days. We'll pray to our many gods, mostly the gods of bit ta-tas, beer, and feed, and after that we'll proclaim our true audiophile gred and shun all others.

3LB

07-14-2010, 10:00 PM

Actually I would beg to differ. Case in point: http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=34478

But it wasn't a discussion about the music, it was a discussion about different mediums. Since you brought it up - do you like the album? I like quite a lot of music which I might find the sound quality a tad iffy, but what are ya gonna do, not listen to a piece of music you like just because it isn't audiophile quality? Myself, I wind up listening to music on various medium or playback devices, few of which are even optimum quality, much less audiophile quality.

As far as the CD -v- vinyl thing, I like the sound of vinyl and listen to it from time to time just for the sake of listening. In audio, its ok to keep a harem.

oh and just to clarify, what I mean by there being scant little to argue about with regards to music, is that if you say "I like the new National album" someone can chime in and say "I don't like it as much as their last one" which is just a different opinion but it doesn't supplant or alter yours. It isn't like anyone can come along and say, "Adam, you ignorant slut, you do not like The National's new album. Where do you get off? You can't possibly know that for a fact. Do you have links to support your far-fetched claims or are you just here to yank everyone's chain you liar. Do you even know how to listen to a piece of music correctly? I highly doubt it. I've been in the business of knowing what music I like for years and have been paid handsomely for my opinions and my high profile job with a major entertainment entity affords me the ability to listen to music on several very expensive systems, all at the same time. So take your anecdotal nonsense about music you like elsewhere. How many times must we endure these feeble attempts at recommending music you supposedly like when you can't even support your opinions. Do your research and stop taking up bandwidth with your uninformed knee-jerk diatribes about albums and bands of which you allegedly like but aren't nearly as qualified to quantify as I am"

...or at least, I don't think anyone would say that.

atomicAdam

07-15-2010, 06:06 AM

"Adam, you ignorant slut, you do not like The National's new album. Where do you get off? You can't possibly know that for a fact. Do you have links to support your far-fetched claims or are you just here to yank everyone's chain you liar. Do you even know how to listen to a piece of music correctly? I highly doubt it. I've been in the business of knowing what music I like for years and have been paid handsomely for my opinions and my high profile job with a major entertainment entity affords me the ability to listen to music on several very expensive systems, all at the same time. So take your anecdotal nonsense about music you like elsewhere. How many times must we endure these feeble attempts at recommending music you supposedly like when you can't even support your opinions. Do your research and stop taking up bandwidth with your uninformed knee-jerk diatribes about albums and bands of which you allegedly like but aren't nearly as qualified to quantify as I am"

Thanks for the new tag line!

Errrr... nevermind, damn 500 character sig limit!

Oh, and I have actaully met people like that. Only a few, but there are out there and genertally lurking in ur LRS. I suggest asking them who is better, Lemmy or God, and walk away before their head explodes.

But to answer ur other question. If I had the nationals new album only on vinyl, no, I would listen to it even if I like the music. The recording is so poorly mastered that even a $2,000+ TT/phono/cart can't play it well, that peronally just burns me up!

I've also heard Jeff buckley's hallejulla (sp? - on phone no spell check) on MP3. Boring as all paint drying. Wouldn't listen to it. On vinyl through the Prelude system it will almost make u cry. So, another example.... now when it comes to music like slayer, daft punk (on, and why the hell is the Alive album mixed so screwed up??) It doesn't really matter that much because the energy comes through. Oh, also classical, can't stand it if it isn't on a really good system. I don't even like it live. But when I feel I'm right there at the conductor's stand, it is a whole new beast.

GMichael

07-15-2010, 06:29 AM

Thanks for the new tag line!

Errrr... nevermind, damn 500 character sig limit!

Couldn't you just cut it back to "Adam, you ignorant slut":idea:
We'll all know what it means.:ihih:

bobsticks

07-15-2010, 06:39 AM

LMAO!!

When I punched this thread Adam's post popped up with 3LB's paraphrased quote..the first words I saw were "Adam you ignorant slut!"...needless to say taken outta context it was a true wtf moment.

ForeverAutumn

07-15-2010, 06:39 AM

It isn't like anyone can come along and say, "Adam, you ignorant slut, you do not like The National's new album. Where do you get off? You can't possibly know that for a fact. Do you have links to support your far-fetched claims or are you just here to yank everyone's chain you liar. Do you even know how to listen to a piece of music correctly? I highly doubt it. I've been in the business of knowing what music I like for years and have been paid handsomely for my opinions and my high profile job with a major entertainment entity affords me the ability to listen to music on several very expensive systems, all at the same time. So take your anecdotal nonsense about music you like elsewhere. How many times must we endure these feeble attempts at recommending music you supposedly like when you can't even support your opinions. Do your research and stop taking up bandwidth with your uninformed knee-jerk diatribes about albums and bands of which you allegedly like but aren't nearly as qualified to quantify as I am"

...or at least, I don't think anyone would say that.

I'm laughing so hard I'm gonna pee myself. :blush2:

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-15-2010, 09:26 AM

So, not owning a bluray player or titles on bluray makes one closed-minded? I can't speak for all of RR, but I can't afford to leap from format to format and just how many new formats have been introduced in 10 years?

Just one. SACD and DVD-A came 11 years ago. I didn't make the statement that not owning a Blu ray player or software made anyone close-minded. My statement was that everyone was "stuck" in legacy technology, and not open minded to other formats. So any discussion on music on Blu ray goes no where in RR.

Sir-T, maybe you could map out just what it is exactly you want from a gear specific conversation on a music board. Myself, when clicking on a thread about a band/album/genre, I rarely assume one format or another. What more is there to discuss about a piece of music other than whether or not I like it? If I hated an album on CD, I won't like it any better on the newest, bestest format.

The problem with this comment is that you are not going to hear what you have already heard on other formats on Blu ray disc. They have not released much of anything that has already been released except classical music released previously on SACD(and not a bunch of that either). Aside from concert videos, all new music on Blu ray is exactly that...new or newly recorded.

Either someone will be interested in the same music as you, or not. That's the way it is for all of us at RR. Music preference, just the music, is a subjective thing and there's scant little to argue about.

You don't just talk about music, you talk about music on two formats - CD and vinyl. That is all anyone there is interested in period. When Mr. P and I both open new threads talking about new recordings on Blu ray, we ended up having a two way conversation. There just seemed to be no interest in talking about anything but music on CD and vinyl. Understandably, that is where folks are at there, nobody has embraced BR disc at all, hence the small community not showing any growth. It is what it is.

If it was purely about the music, then I am sure that more people would participate. But it is not just about music - it is about music on two formats, and that is it.

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-15-2010, 09:29 AM

Alright Sir T....start posting about those titles then....I have almost all of the OpusArte Blu-rays released to date and much of the other Naxos releases.....

My favorite title released thus far was Puccini's TOSCA. I often prefer the PCM tracks compared to some of the Dolby TrueHD mixes, and sometimes the DTS-MA's. I also have the sampler disc that has the benefit of showcasing all the various audio formats for quick comparison.

After your recent dig on my reviews on Blu ray.com, and your rather negative comments about the site itself, I am sure you will understand that I will take a pass on your offer. Admittedly, I am not as forgiving as some around here considering the history you have.

ForeverAutumn

07-15-2010, 10:03 AM

Just one. SACD and DVD-A came 11 years ago. I didn't make the statement that not owning a Blu ray player or software made anyone close-minded. My statement was that everyone was "stuck" in legacy technology, and not open minded to other formats. So any discussion on music on Blu ray goes no where in RR.

I can't speak for others, but I'm certainly not "stuck" in legacy technology. It just happens to be the technology that I own. I don't participate in discussions on Blu ray as I have nothing to contribute at this point (I also don't participate in conversations about vinyl because I don't own a turntable). I suspect it is the same with other people. We are not all as technologically advanced as you are Sir T.

And RR, for the 9 years that I've been around here, has always been more about the actual music than the format. Format is secondary. That's not to say that it can't change. When I joined RR no one listened to MP3s, but now almost everyone there has an iPod of some sort. Perhaps if you and Mr. Peabody continued your discussions, you'd find people lurking with the same interests who might then begin to participate in the discussions.

If it was purely about the music, then I am sure that more people would participate. But it is not just about music - it is about music on two formats, and that is it. I do think that you're wrong here. It is about the music. If you talked about say, the latest Hold Steady album, you would get participation regardless of what format you are listening on. But if you try to corral people into a specific discussion about a specific format, you'll probably lose them. Because now its not about music, its about format, and not everyone is listening on the same format. And most of the people currently on RR don't care. It's not close-mindedness to new formats, its just not their focus.

I'm not going to change your opinion. I'm just trying to help you understand where someone like me is coming from.

3LB

07-15-2010, 10:34 AM

The problem with this comment is that you are not going to hear what you have already heard on other formats on Blu ray disc. They have not released much of anything that has already been released except classical music released previously on SACD(and not a bunch of that either). Aside from concert videos, all new music on Blu ray is exactly that...new or newly recorded.
Isn't that why it took CD so long to catch-on, availability to purchase back catalog reissues of many artists and albums* (and when they did, they used 2nd and 3rd generation transfers). * yes, I know there were legal issues w/ certain labels/artists *

You don't just talk about music, you talk about music on two formats - CD and vinyl. That is all anyone there is interested in period...If it was purely about the music, then I am sure that more people would participate. But it is not just about music - it is about music on two formats, and that is it.
again, I can't speak for all of RR, but I'm sure some of those guys there have multiple digital formats (I seem to remember some discussion about it). Hell, they could be talking about 8-Track for all I know, when addressing music. I'm sure POR will change. Thing is, it took a while for CD to supplant the LP and cassette. After that it seemed, from my own observation, that the general public's focus became portability of digital music. The notion that DVD-A and SACD have been around for 11 years is a revelation to me, but then again, I remember reading about compact disc in my brother's Stereo Review when I was a kid (late '70s), but didn't see a CD/player until around '82-'83, didn't own a CD/player until '88, so you see I've never been on the leading edge of audio technology.
Perhaps this would be a good thread topic in RR....

....actually, this is a topic of a thread over in RR

PeruvianSkies

07-15-2010, 05:42 PM

If you are going to follow this post - please continue this in the RR section, since that is what it really is.

FYI - I'm going back to the time when I could have a harem of castrated young lads. who will sing to me upon the sun rise and death each days. We'll pray to our many gods, mostly the gods of bit ta-tas, beer, and feed, and after that we'll proclaim our true audiophile gred and shun all others.

Is that section between Auschwitz and Treblinka? Geeeessh.

atomicAdam

07-15-2010, 08:33 PM

Is that section between Auschwitz and Treblinka? Geeeessh.

I don't get it? You are saying RR is some stretch of land in Germany between to termination camps?

My general rule of thumb is that once someone compares or bring ups Nazi's or the holocaust, the argument is over and that person has just lost.

3LB

07-16-2010, 04:40 PM

I don't get it? You are saying RR is some stretch of land in Germany between to termination camps?

My general rule of thumb is that once someone compares or bring ups Nazi's or the holocaust, the argument is over and that person has just lost.

unless of course we're talkin Tom Cruise

;) just kiddin Tom! (he sometimes lurks here when he isn't constantly posting Genesis reunion rumour threads over at PE)

3LB

07-16-2010, 04:47 PM

You don't just talk about music, you talk about music on two formats - CD and vinyl. That is all anyone there is interested in period.

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=34683

When Mr. P and I both open new threads talking about new recordings on Blu ray, we ended up having a two way conversation.
I don't know if I like the implication there...we love Mr P and value his input

oh I'm just yankin ya...you know Sir T, yer alright, no matter what PeruvianFlake says

;)

3LB

07-16-2010, 05:02 PM

If I had the nationals new album only on vinyl, no, I would listen to it even if I like the music. The recording is so poorly mastered that even a $2,000+ TT/phono/cart can't play it well, that peronally just burns me up!

I've also heard Jeff buckley's hallejulla (sp? - on phone no spell check) on MP3. Boring as all paint drying. Wouldn't listen to it. On vinyl through the Prelude system it will almost make u cry. So, another example.... now when it comes to music like slayer, daft punk (on, and why the hell is the Alive album mixed so screwed up??) It doesn't really matter that much because the energy comes through. Oh, also classical, can't stand it if it isn't on a really good system. I don't even like it live. But when I feel I'm right there at the conductor's stand, it is a whole new beast.

Well, I must admit, there are exceptions. I actually think Rush's Vapor Trails is a damn fine effort, but the mastering job on that album is horrendous...I mean it is actually fatiguing to listening to for more than a song or two. What a waste.

And yes, classical music on a very good rig is sublime, but under less than optimal circumstances, that too becomes a chore.

As far as MP3s go, I can't do much below 256k even on headphones. The few times I've made CD-Rs from 320kbps files, and played them back on my modest rig, I can soooo tell a difference.

I have a Sumiko cartridge on my TT. Not as good as yours - I fergit which one at the moment. My wife saw the jewel box it came in and thought I was surprising her...needless to say I did....whoooops!

Sir Terrence the Terrible

07-16-2010, 07:14 PM

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=34683

I don't know if I like the implication there...we love Mr P and value his input

oh I'm just yankin ya...you know Sir T, yer alright, no matter what PeruvianFlake says

;)

3LB, I get what you and FA are saying, but that post points out that nobody there has a Bluray player except Kex and another gentlemen.

Maybe things will improve over time so I can participate. Being a singer and a musician I really do like talking about music, so maybe I should just change my angle away from the technology, and devote it towards the music itself.

3LB

07-16-2010, 10:54 PM

Being a singer and a musician I really do like talking about music, so maybe I should just change my angle away from the technology, and devote it towards the music itself. Are ya any count? I play nothing and couldn't carry a tune in a sack, all I can do is admire from afar.

Is there yet software out there that allows one to "DIY" home recording in hi-res formats the way it is for wave.files?

There are many posts of mine that poopoo audiophilia here at AR and elsewhere, but I realize that its the audiophile community that is the impetus for most of the technological advancement in the world of recorded music and playback. I think some audiophiles are obcessed more with gear and less with the music. I know buddies that rarely listen to an album all the way through because they're so enamoured with the sound of their system they jump from album to album, playing snippets. I'd rather listen to music. But as grotesque and incomprehensible as their presence is to me some times, deep down inside in places I don't talk about at parties, I don't want them on that wall...I need them on that wall. They use words like accuracy, imaging and soundstaging. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent enjoying something, I use them as a punchline sometimes, perhaps wrongly so. But I'm afraid without audiophilia, we'd still be listening to ceramic records on mono playback. I'm not opposed to hi-res digital playback, I just can't freakin afford it! Kudos to those trail-blazing technofiles who'll fund those much cheaper, third and fourth generation players that I'll buy on some Friday after Thanksgiving sale. Cheers. :2:

Feanor

07-17-2010, 05:46 AM

3LB, I get what you and FA are saying, but that post points out that nobody there has a Bluray player except Kex and another gentlemen.

...
Let me remind Sir T and everyone that I too opened a thread pertaining to Blu-ray music here ... http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=34466 ... although the theme was more about multi-channel that Blu-ray per se. Response was not too bad.

The record referenced was this one, albeit it's arguably a concert recording, not a pure music ...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QTfojj5eL._SL500_AA300_.jpg