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02audionoob

06-12-2010, 09:30 AM

For those who don't know...which I suppose might be everyone here except MC Chubby, my MMF-5 motor would eventually get hot after extended sessions and would whine. I thought perhaps it was something that could be resolved with oil or grease, but that never worked. Chubbs even sent me a penetrating lubricant to try, but no luck. So I call Roy Hall and ordered a new motor. Here's a photo essay of how I spent the morning...

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I'll post more when I get them uploaded.

02audionoob

06-12-2010, 09:35 AM

poppachubby

06-12-2010, 09:38 AM

Wow, nice work. Looks great. So no discernable wow/flutter or other issues? Did they send you instructions for installation?

frenchmon

06-12-2010, 10:02 AM

Wonderful audio porn....do me a favor and measure the base of the hole where the arm screws into the base from left to right. If its the same as the base on mine, I can use an arm like the one on your MMF 5. The guy at Music Hall told me I would have to drill, but my table has a base like yours. On most of the MMF 2.1's that I saw the arm just sits on top of the base.

02audionoob

06-12-2010, 10:04 AM

Wow, nice work. Looks great. So no discernable wow/flutter or other issues? Did they send you instructions for installation?

Absolutely...there were very good instructions. Too bad they were written in Czech :)

Kidding aside...no instructions, printed materials or accessories of any kind were included. The original work was covered up in solder globs the size of English peas. I didn't know until I got them desoldered whether there was a big loop, a small hole or even no hole on those tabs. There's certainly no wow/flutter differences...it's a really simple motor. To hold steady speed I think you just need a heavy platter - and 3 or 4 pounds of glass gets it done.

02audionoob

06-12-2010, 10:27 AM

frenchmon

06-12-2010, 12:20 PM

At the edge where the tonearm base drops into the deck it's a diameter of 70 mm.

Ok thanks.

Jack in Wilmington

06-12-2010, 07:15 PM

Very nice job. How long did it take you? Love the platter on your table. Is that original?

02audionoob

06-12-2010, 07:24 PM

Very nice job. How long did it take you? Love the platter on your table. Is that original?

I'd guess it must have taken about an hour. The hard part was the removal...especially the solder. That took twice as long as installing the motor. The solder was huge and I had trouble getting it wicked up.

That platter is indeed original. That's the one thing I like better about the 5 than the 5.1. Of course, with the 5.1 they upgraded the arm and changed from a 120V motor to a 16V motor (which allows use of the Speed Box), so the 5.1 definitely has its advantages.

Jack in Wilmington

06-13-2010, 10:44 AM

I'd guess it must have taken about an hour. The hard part was the removal...especially the solder. That took twice as long as installing the motor. The solder was huge and I had trouble getting it wicked up.

That platter is indeed original. That's the one thing I like better about the 5 than the 5.1. Of course, with the 5.1 they upgraded the arm and changed from a 120V motor to a 16V motor (which allows use of the Speed Box), so the 5.1 definitely has its advantages.

Sometimes progress moves forward and they forget one of the really class features. I've seen some nice aluminum, acrylic and delrin platters. But yours is something else. Any recommendations on a nice mat for the platter? The thin felt one that came with the table always wants to stay on the back of the record when I go to flip it over. Thanks, Jack

02audionoob

06-13-2010, 11:06 AM

Sometimes progress moves forward and they forget one of the really class features. I've seen some nice aluminum, acrylic and delrin platters. But yours is something else. Any recommendations on a nice mat for the platter? The thin felt one that came with the table always wants to stay on the back of the record when I go to flip it over. Thanks, Jack

I have found that my cleaning process seems to discharge the records, so I stay with the felt. When the mat sticks to one, I wet-clean it and vacuum it. That seems to solve the problem indefinitely for that record. If you like the felt style and continue to have static issues, you could get a carbon fiber mat at a place like this...

http://www.sleevetown.com/turntable-accessories.shtml

If you want something that affects the sound, presumably as an upgrade, you could try a Herbie's mat.

http://herbiesaudiolab.net/ttmat.htm

PS: As a crazy but cheap idea, I once cut a hole in the center of a Bounce dryer sheet and put it under the mat. I don't get enough static to really test how well that works, but it seems like a decent concept...however wacky it is. I didn't get any significant static afterward, but I didn't get much before...so who knows.

poppachubby

06-13-2010, 12:27 PM

PS: As a crazy but cheap idea, I once cut a hole in the center of a Bounce dryer sheet and put it under the mat. I don't get enough static to really test how well that works, but it seems like a decent concept...however wacky it is. I didn't get any significant static afterward, but I didn't get much before...so who knows.

It also keeps your LPs smelling like a valley of flowers, or fresh spring breeze, whichever you prefer.

frenchmon

06-13-2010, 01:48 PM

I just have to look at this thread every time I boot up the computer....noob your pictures are very addicting.

02audionoob

06-13-2010, 02:08 PM

Then I should dig out this classic...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1272/4697839550_1a955a5a1b_b.jpg

I like the way the Eroica cartridge looks on the MMF-5, in this oldie but goodie...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4697235905_25e28b7432_b.jpg

poppachubby

06-13-2010, 02:22 PM

Yes the pics look super tasty. Where is the Marantz TT now?

frenchmon

06-13-2010, 02:26 PM

Awesome... the Eroica cartridge just looks bold and dauntless...like its ready to track anything you throw at him. You still got the Rantz Deck? If you got a pic of it necked...cover off, post it. Those Rantzs are very nice looking.

frenchmon

frenchmon

06-13-2010, 02:27 PM

Hey why dont every one who has a table post some pics....Poppa you game?

02audionoob

06-13-2010, 02:53 PM

I couldn't justify having the Marantz 6300 with the MMF-5 sitting right there. It was only a matter of time. I should probably lie about this so no Marantz fans get teary-eyed :cryin: but I parted out the 6300 on eBay. It had cosmetic problems and minor functional problems. I bought it for something like $74 (an auction with problems disclosed), got a few years use out it, and made probably $300 selling parts.

poppachubby

06-13-2010, 03:25 PM

Hey no tears here. Ya I'm cool with that frenchie but most of my stuff is in the basement. I'll try some tommorrow if the sun is strong. Lighting is everything.

poppachubby

06-13-2010, 03:35 PM

Well these are a couple kicking around, but I'll have to try harder to dethrone noob.

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02audionoob

06-13-2010, 03:40 PM

I like the chair shadows on the EICO. Very nice photo. Like you said...lighting is everything.

poppachubby

06-13-2010, 04:07 PM

Are you posting Medium size? Those were large. I thought yours were too...

02audionoob

06-13-2010, 04:14 PM

Many times I do medium, but in this thread I've been reducing my photos to 800 pixels wide before I upload.

poppachubby

06-13-2010, 04:37 PM

Many times I do medium, but in this thread I've been reducing my photos to 800 pixels wide before I upload.

Ya I kind of figured they were custom. Great size, I'll have to try that.

02audionoob

06-13-2010, 04:44 PM

SLR/flash photo of the Goldring 1042...

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frenchmon

06-15-2010, 04:58 PM

Heres one PappaC...more tomorrow

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poppachubby

06-15-2010, 07:18 PM

Love the speaker, but it's hard to make out the Rotel and TT. Yes definitely more. I haven't seen much of your gear or room, and I would love to.

Did you see my Mission thread? I am picking up a mint pair of 707's this week. Opinions?

Enochrome

06-15-2010, 08:42 PM

02audionoob

06-15-2010, 08:55 PM

Noob, your carts and rig look great!!!! How is that Goldring? Is it coil or magnet? It looks like it isn't mounted on the Rega. Was getting the new motor installed difficult, it looks involved.

Awesome pictures!!!

Thanks for the kudos!

Actually, there are three Goldrings in this thread. I'm a loyal Goldring fan. The last one is a 1042 (moving magnet), currently mounted on the P5. There's also an Eroica (moving coil), which was at one time mounted on the MMF-5. Early in the thread you'll see the 2200 (moving magnet) currently on the MMF-5. Given that I found what I like, my Goldring cartridges get all the playing time. They track well, have nice midrange and on the P5 have great authoritative bass...a little softer on the MMF-5.

The motor installation wasn't too bad. Other than spending well over half the time trying to remove old solder, it was actually fairly easy. I probably used less than a quarter as much solder as they did.

frenchmon

06-16-2010, 04:10 PM

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Here's the Red. It has come a long way sense I first got it. I'm sure I have over a humdred hours on it. I wont bore you with audiophile talk. Just know the sibilance has gone, its clear, transparent, is a tad little recessed in mids but never the less its warmer than the OM10. Not as warm as my Elan, but the entry level Elan is not as detailed as the Red. Its a good cart. I would love to hear a 2M Blue...and more upscale Goldring.

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This is a shot of my Marantz. Its a universal player and a good one at that It retail at $699 when introduced a few years back. I use it strictly as a SACD. It's very good but it has a few flaws like slow loading. But the sound is great.

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I really like this table. It really does a good job for a person getting back into vinyl after being away for 20+ years. No matter how much I like it, it can only produce to its limits. When first introduced a few years back , it was said that it was an entry level audiophile table. And because it is, then its limited in its arm as well. So I know that it only gets better as I continue to go up in quality from here. But as is, this is a fine table at that.

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To me, Canton speakers are a well kept secret in American audiophile circles. They are extreemly well known and loved over seas. They have very good imaging with a great mid-range and a lively tweeter. They have a decent bottom end as well. They are 14.2" tall 7.5 wide and 10.6 deep. The Frequency response is 38...30.000 Hz, the power handling is140 watts and they are 89 db. They have a silk dome tweeter and aluminum mid woofer and real wood veneer...no vinyl wrap. These speakers have a great dispersion of music and they are not boring at all. These are great speakers and I plain on upgrading to the Ergo series. I forgot to add...if you want a speaker to give you emotion and feeling from your music...Canton is one of those speakers that can.

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This is my preamp. Its a pretty good one at that. It has a very nice phono stag as well. It does everything well. At $1200 dollars it better at lease be decent. But last week it really got exposed for what it is...very good mid fi. After listening to a Audio Research LS 15 tubed preamp I felt I really need an upgrade. But until then this is still a good preamp...not bright but not warm...no cutting edge in music at all.

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At 200watts a channel this thing rock very well. Its smooth and never misses a beat...nothing else needs to be said.

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This is my baby. This thing is like really good. It comes in two pieces....the right side is the transport and DAC and the left side is the power supply. And there is a third piece that I am waiting for...a tubed DAC. that is said to take it over the top and on par with Musical Fidelity's KW series tube DAC and CDP outfit. The X DAC is hard to come across as people are not letting them go. The three pieces when in production together cost $3K and the DAC costing $1500 by its self.

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Sorry about the side way picture. These are my Analysis Plus cables. If you can get past the color these are pretty good cables. They are what hold down the edge from the Rotel. They are a warm and detailed cable.

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My 2 channel room is in the basement that leads to my back yard as you can see. The gear faces kissing doors that lead to the biggest part of the basement where one of my home theaters. I have another home theater in the family room up stairs.

02audionoob

06-16-2010, 04:24 PM

Wow...the frenchmon throwing down some audio porn. Verry nice!

frenchmon

06-16-2010, 04:30 PM

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frenchmon

06-16-2010, 04:32 PM

Thanks noob.

frenchmon

06-16-2010, 04:41 PM

Any body else what to shoe off their gear? lets keep this thread going

poppachubby

06-16-2010, 05:00 PM

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Oh my God!! Frenchie everything looks great. Between you and noob, there's no point. I'm not just talking about posting photos, I mean there's no point in continuing with this hobby. My camera sucks, most definitely. I'll take a crack at some pics tommorrow with the daylight.

poppachubby

06-16-2010, 05:54 PM

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poppachubby

06-17-2010, 03:33 AM

Threw in some Paradigms this morning. I am waiting to fill the void with the Missions. This pair have nice imaging and mid range but no bass at all.

frenchmon

06-17-2010, 11:23 AM

PappaC Do you use that Rantz vintage? I also have Paradigm Towers Monitor 7 v3 in my main home theater....they are not bad at all...I did do a shoot out with them and my Cantons and the Cantons walked all over them. Just two different speakers with two different sounds.

I also have a pair of Paradigms in my home theater in the basement.

poppachubby

06-17-2010, 01:19 PM

Actually the 1515 just went upstairs do pull 2 channel duty in the HT system. Don't ask...

frenchmon

06-17-2010, 01:38 PM

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Just getting in a little quality time with Ray Brown Trio and the Marantz.

That table with the glass platter is just stunning. The arm sorta looks like a fatter version of the arm on my MMF 2.1

I will like to make a platform like the one you table is resting on if you dont mind?

frenchmon

06-17-2010, 01:44 PM

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4495022452_a8193d617d_b.jpg

This looks very inviting...To bad you are not around the corner from me....I would love to plug it into the Rotel and Cantons...im lusting ...now!

02audionoob

06-17-2010, 01:58 PM

That table with the glass platter is just stunning. The arm sorta looks like a fatter version of the arm on my MMF 2.1

I will like to make a platform like the one you table is resting on if you dont mind?

I'd be honored to have you make a platform like mine. We'll be platform brothers!

poppachubby

06-17-2010, 02:05 PM

Frenchmon, the old Systemdek tables had glass platters also. They had beautiful wood plinths. I posted one for you to look at when you were first deciding. You can get them for a great price nowadays, usually with a decent arm/cart already installed.

The EICO is one of my finest acquisitions. Bought from an eccentric DIY'er for a song. You indeed need to hear what a rectifier can do for a circuit.

Keep in mind, one of the Yahoo EICO Group mods lives in the same city as me. If you bought an EICO, or any similar vintage American tube pre, he could fix it up for you. I could get you a deal for sure.

Here's his site, look under HF-85 to see what he has done with my model.

http://sites.google.com/site/vintagetubeaudio/home

frenchmon

06-17-2010, 04:43 PM

I'd be honored to have you make a platform like mine. We'll be platform brothers!

Well thank you sir...a fine gent you are.

frenchmon

06-17-2010, 04:48 PM

poppachubby

06-17-2010, 05:11 PM

Yes the EICO and the SE40 are together. Not hybrid at all. Of course the overall sound is "warm", but the EICO added fidelity more than anything else. The high frequencies come screaming out of my speakers, and bass can thump and bump.

I know you have heard good tube systems, so you know what I'm talking about. There are some people who think that any amount of tubes in the chain, means the sound becomes a warm pile of mush. The reality is, combined with the rectifier the fidelity is through the roof. Better than any component i have owned. Academic elements like imaging and staging, are bolstered to detailed and exciting levels, while the feel and sound of the music is natural and compelling.

I had a Kenwood Basic C1 with the SE40. The jump in SQ once I added the EICO was phenomenal.

Aside from that, my sig lists my Reference chain.

poppachubby

06-17-2010, 05:14 PM

Hahaha, hey I just thought about that. Frenchie I worry you may have too much solid state. It's too solid fenchie, you must lessen the state.

frenchmon

06-17-2010, 06:10 PM

Hahaha, hey I just thought about that. Frenchie I worry you may have too much solid state. It's too solid fenchie, you must lessen the state.

You can never have to much solid state if you got the right solid state. My solid is not piercing at all. Cable and speaker wire has something to do with it as well as speakers with emotion. The worst thing you can do is get a sterile pair of speakers...ahhh I hate sterile and cold speakers...they tend not to have any life if you ask me. Dont think tubes is the only way to introduce sweetness with a little warmth into your system. I know you heard that Reference Marantz at that audio show....that was solid state. And im sure they didnt have it set up to where they got the max out of the gear....Reference Marantz is not edgy at all for solid state. With the right cable and speaker wire and CDP the Marantz can be just as warm as tubes.

Hey...this solid will move you....I garuntee!

02audionoob

07-05-2010, 01:15 PM

I sold the MMF-5, today. I should've asked the buyer if I could post his picture in my AR thread. :)

poppachubby

07-05-2010, 01:44 PM

It's the end of an era.

Jack in Wilmington

07-05-2010, 02:16 PM

Noob, you can't see it, but there's a tear in my eye. Frenchie and I will keep the Music Hall flag flying.

02audionoob

07-05-2010, 02:18 PM

I've been crying, too. I thought long and hard about how to have a good use for the MMF-5 and just couldn't come up with anything. The little guy needed somewhere to get some real action.

poppachubby

07-05-2010, 05:47 PM

I've been crying, too. I thought long and hard about how to have a good use for the MMF-5 and just couldn't come up with anything. The little guy needed somewhere to get some real action.

On a positive note, where will the money go? I'm thinking Goldring LOMC...

02audionoob

07-05-2010, 05:49 PM

I have a new friend Frank who would like to have some of it.

http://groovetracer.com/

poppachubby

07-05-2010, 05:52 PM

So which upgrade?

02audionoob

07-05-2010, 05:54 PM

The subplatter looks like the most bang for your buck.

poppachubby

07-05-2010, 05:57 PM

Hmmmm, I think you should stick with the Goldring. The Rega is still new to you, whereas the Goldring has been sought after for some time. Down the road, once the Rega starts to sound bland, spice it up with the subplatter.

frenchmon

07-09-2010, 08:21 PM

I've been crying, too. I thought long and hard about how to have a good use for the MMF-5 and just couldn't come up with anything. The little guy needed somewhere to get some real action.

She would have loved to take up space in the guest room with the nice looking vintage receiver you have in there....

frenchmon

07-09-2010, 08:25 PM

02audionoob

07-09-2010, 08:35 PM

Frank was able to ship one right out to me...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4779213440_c9e12773ec_b.jpg

frenchmon

07-09-2010, 08:39 PM

Looks good! How does the sub-plater add to more fidelity? Is it because of the mass?

02audionoob

07-09-2010, 09:44 PM

For one thing, it improves the accuracy. I timed it for 3 minutes and it spun a dead-on 100 turns. Also, it spins smoother. The sound is just a bit clearer...sounds a little more detailed. It's a subtle difference, but I'm happy with it.

frenchmon

07-09-2010, 09:53 PM

but I'm happy with it.

And thats the bottom line...

poppachubby

07-10-2010, 03:17 AM

You think it will start to sound bland down the road???

I just meant his ears becoming attuned, you get bored.

poppachubby

07-10-2010, 03:20 AM

is that available for all models?

02audionoob

07-10-2010, 08:21 AM

is that available for all models?

Almost. The P7 and P9 already have something even better.

02audionoob

07-17-2010, 03:47 PM

Nekkid speaker for frenchmon...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4781413892_3baa7608b3_b.jpg

frenchmon

07-20-2010, 11:57 AM

Nekkid speaker for frenchmon...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4781413892_3baa7I608b3_b.jpg

Never heard of them but they sure are nice looking...I wonder how they sound. Are they your speakers? I see you Focal's.

02audionoob

07-20-2010, 03:18 PM

Never heard of them but they sure are nice looking...I wonder how they sound. Are they your speakers? I see you Focal's.

Yes...they're mine. The Focal speakers are on the Marantz receiver. The ProAc are on the Audio Research amp.

ProAc seem to be most famous for their Response 1SC, which is a little 2-way that has been replaced by a model (Response D1) that is not quite as highly regarded. It uses different drivers than the 1SC. In these floorstanders, called the Response Tri-Tower, the top two drivers are reportedly the same as the 1SC and are in their own chamber. Below that are three small woofers. There's a port in the bottom. I got these from an Audiogon seller and have been very happy with them. They can sometimes sound just a tad light on the bass, but I knew that going in.

frenchmon

08-03-2010, 04:00 PM

frenchmon

08-03-2010, 04:03 PM

Yes...they're mine. The Focal speakers are on the Marantz receiver. The ProAc are on the Audio Research amp.

ProAc seem to be most famous for their Response 1SC, which is a little 2-way that has been replaced by a model (Response D1) that is not quite as highly regarded. It uses different drivers than the 1SC. In these floorstanders, called the Response Tri-Tower, the top two drivers are reportedly the same as the 1SC and are in their own chamber. Below that are three small woofers. There's a port in the bottom. I got these from an Audiogon seller and have been very happy with them. They can sometimes sound just a tad light on the bass, but I knew that going in.

Does ProAc make their own drivers?

02audionoob

08-03-2010, 04:15 PM

Does ProAc make their own drivers?

No...they're ScanSpeak, SEAS and Vifa, as far as I know.

02audionoob

08-03-2010, 04:23 PM

Sounds like it would have the same effect as a speed box.

Although I haven't spent any time with a Speed Box, I like the concept of the machined subplatter better. The reason for that is that the molded phenolic subplatter is supposedly often out-of-round and of inaccurate diameter. The machined subplatter would presumably solve that. What the Speed Box can do is apparently continuously check and correct the motor speed. However, that would correct only the pulley speed, not anything that happens after that. If the subplatter is truly inaccurate, wow would remain.

I printed out a strobe disc at the Vinyl Engine site and tried it out on the Rega. Not only does the record turn the right number of times over an extended period of time, the bars on the strobe disc never waver. My gut tells me the machined subplatter is the best upgrade you can put on one of these turntables, other than a tonearm.

frenchmon

08-03-2010, 04:54 PM

No...they're ScanSpeak, SEAS and Vifa, as far as I know.

Wow...some of the best of the best.

frenchmon

08-03-2010, 04:59 PM

Although I haven't spent any time with a Speed Box, I like the concept of the machined subplatter better. The reason for that is that the molded phenolic subplatter is supposedly often out-of-round and of inaccurate diameter. The machined subplatter would presumably solve that. What the Speed Box can do is apparently continuously check and correct the motor speed. However, that would correct only the pulley speed, not anything that happens after that. If the subplatter is truly inaccurate, wow would remain.

I printed out a strobe disc at the Vinyl Engine site and tried it out on the Rega. Not only does the record turn the right number of times over an extended period of time, the bars on the strobe disc never waver. My gut tells me the machined subplatter is the best upgrade you can put on one of these turntables, other than a tonearm.

Do they make a after market sub platter for pro-ject? I also printed out a strobe disc at VE Can I use a flash light or do I need some sort of florescent light?

02audionoob

08-03-2010, 05:10 PM

Do they make a after market sub platter for pro-ject? I also printed out a strobe disc at VE Can I use a flash light or do I need some sort of florescent light?

The shop that makes the Deep Groove subplatters sold at Musicdirect also used to make one for the mmf-5...don't know if that's still the case. If so, I would guess it must also fit some Pro-Ject models.

The strobe disc relies on your light being 60 Hz, which is the frequency of your power service. You just need a light that plugs in the wall. A flashlight wouldn't work since it's DC power.

frenchmon

08-04-2010, 03:46 PM

The shop that makes the Deep Groove subplatters sold at Musicdirect also used to make one for the mmf-5...don't know if that's still the case. If so, I would guess it must also fit some Pro-Ject models.

The strobe disc relies on your light being 60 Hz, which is the frequency of your power service. You just need a light that plugs in the wall. A flashlight wouldn't work since it's DC power.

Thanks noob.

bob r

05-11-2013, 03:12 PM

and i agree i am also Addicted

02audionoob

05-12-2013, 07:24 AM

That was my first modern turntable. Before that, all had been either Dual or 1970s/80s Japanese models...JVC, CEC, etc.

bob r

05-13-2013, 04:29 AM

Thanks
i think my first TT was by Radio-shack and then i moved up to the Dual and then a B&O with a MMC 5 cart the B&O i still have but it no longer works but it did serve me well i also still have a brand new MMC 3 Cart for the B&O if anyone needs one

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07-20-2014, 08:30 PM

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OK...those last few were a bit gratuitous. Just getting in a little quality time with Ray Brown Trio and the Marantz.

So terribly glad to see this thread.

My motor, on my MMF 5.1, after about 250 hours of use, started to make a horrible noise.

(Actually, it was doing it after 20 hours of use IF I used the clamp, but that's another story and I stopped using it.)

Roy says it's time to replace the motor. Seeing these photos let's me know just what I am getting into.

Not plug and play, but an afternoon project.

Jack in Wilmington

07-21-2014, 04:45 AM

So terribly glad to see this thread.

My motor, on my MMF 5.1, after about 250 hours of use, started to make a horrible noise.

(Actually, it was doing it after 20 hours of use IF I used the clamp, but that's another story and I stopped using it.)

Roy says it's time to replace the motor. Seeing these photos let's me know just what I am getting into.

Not plug and play, but an afternoon project.

Good luck with your repair project. It's nice that Noob had all the pictures for you to check out before you decided to tackle the job. Are you going to go back to the clamp after the repairs. I still use mine. Jack

nathan_h

07-22-2014, 07:04 AM

Good luck with your repair project. It's nice that Noob had all the pictures for you to check out before you decided to tackle the job. Are you going to go back to the clamp after the repairs. I still use mine. Jack

I dunno. A part of me (magic not science?) thinks the clamp is what messed up the motor in the first place!

02audionoob

07-22-2014, 05:37 PM

Don't worry about the clamp. It can't mess up the motor.

nathan_h

07-23-2014, 06:02 AM

Don't worry about the clamp. It can't mess up the motor.

That's what I'm thinking, too. It's just the memory of the first time I noticed the motor noise was when using the clamp. And then I took the clamp off, and the noise went away.

It's a classic "post hoc ergo propter hoc" foolish conclusion. It was probably co-incidence.

Unless there is some ADDITIONAL mechanical weirdness going on, it doesn't seem logistically possible for the two to interact.