Advice on Bookshelves

[just4surf]

I need some advice on purchasing some book shelf speakers.My current system includes the optimus speakers LX5 with ribbon tweets (I am wanting to upgrade from this), receiver is Yamaha HTR5940, I use a basic coby DVD player and my sub is Velodyne VX10. I also use a passive Boston sub (that was part of the Boston SUb sat series)

I live in a medium size apartment and I am more into music. I am looking for some nice music setup and dont care for HT.I am even considering selling my HT receiver and going for a integrated stereo amp. The kind of music I listen to are Christian contemporary, Praise and worship, some rock, classical, oldies like 80s and Carnatic.

I am looking to get audiophile quality for around $300. When I look up online there seems to be a whole lot of choices from Bose to Boston to Klipsch to Internet only speakers. I am trying to come up with top5 that I can consider and shortlist and buy. I need some help in coming up with this list. Right now, I have paradigm and Axiom in my list. Can anyone recommend some more top quality bookshelves for this price. I am willing to go a little higher if the SQ can be justified.

Thanks
VIc

[Mr Peabody]

I just saw this link in antoerh thread: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html take notice the low end cutoff.

Some guys here have said good things about Mordaunt Short 902's

A really interesting speaker are the Anthony Gallo. The spheres are a bit over your budget and they definitely need a sub.

[LeRoy]

I need some advice on purchasing some book shelf speakers.My current system includes the optimus speakers LX5 with ribbon tweets (I am wanting to upgrade from this), receiver is Yamaha HTR5940, I use a basic coby DVD player and my sub is Velodyne VX10. I also use a passive Boston sub (that was part of the Boston SUb sat series)

I live in a medium size apartment and I am more into music. I am looking for some nice music setup and dont care for HT.I am even considering selling my HT receiver and going for a integrated stereo amp. The kind of music I listen to are Christian contemporary, Praise and worship, some rock, classical, oldies like 80s and Carnatic.

I am looking to get audiophile quality for around $300. When I look up online there seems to be a whole lot of choices from Bose to Boston to Klipsch to Internet only speakers. I am trying to come up with top5 that I can consider and shortlist and buy. I need some help in coming up with this list. Right now, I have paradigm and Axiom in my list. Can anyone recommend some more top quality bookshelves for this price. I am willing to go a little higher if the SQ can be justified.

Thanks
VIc

Considerations for Mordaunt Short 902i, Cambridge Audio S30, Canton GLE 402 and Canton GLE 403. The Cerwin Vega CLS series also has book shelf speakers that may interest you near the price range you are looking to stay in.

Good luck with your research and selection.

LeRoy

[02audionoob]

Tough price point. How about used speakers off your local Craigslist? Or maybe these... http://www.tektondesign.com/model45.htm

[blackraven]

If you can swing an extra $100, www.saturdayaudio.com has a pair of demo Monitor Audio S2's for $399. They normally sell for $750pr. They are very good speakers and will be hard to beat at that price. Others to consider would be the PSB B25's that are on sale at audioadvisor for $299pr.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PBIMB25

These are both larger bookshelfs and are well worth the money. I would also consider getting a dedicated Cd player like the Marantz 5003 or a used 5001.

[Mark111867]

How about a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.1's? They sell new for around 299. E-Bay also has the older version (9.1) for 250.

[blackraven]

How about a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.1's? They sell new for around 299. E-Bay also has the older version (9.1) for 250.


I wouldrather have a pair of PSB B25's. Here is a review of them. (But I would have no problems with the Diamonds either.)

http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/1204psb/index.html

Now you have to take these reviews with a grain of salt. These reviewers listen to these speakers with high end amps and Cd players so that they get the most out of lower end speakers. They also tend to polish reviews although this review was very positive and there were no red flags.

[rob_a]

Ebay is a great place to score Audiophile speakers on the cheap. PSB, KEF, Paradigm, Axiom, Emotiva, Cambridge, Wharfedale, Monitor Audio, ect... These are all good brands to check out, and many others listed on this thread.

But please!!! Stay away from the speaker of the week sales deals. These are the same people who sell speakers out of the back of Vans. :eek6:


Friends don't let friends listen to BOSE :dita:

[poppachubby]

Welcome to AR!!

Try searching the speaker forum for your query. Lots of threads already on the subject. Love and praise unto him...

[TheHills44060]

Off the top of my head ans around that price range I'd go with the KEF IQ10's, B&W 686's or Psb B25's. I am not a fan of Axiom or Paradigm at all.

[just4surf]

Thank you folks for responding to my questions. I really appreciate each your comments

1. HSU hb-1 - Are these audiophile quality. Also, slighly concerned about horn and if it will be fatiguing to the ears on prolonged use
2. Mordaunt Short 902's - Seems interesting and researching on this.
3. Anthony Gallo spheres - The style is not to my linking
4. Cambridge Audio S30 - 4.5 inch woofer is kinda on the small size and so cant expect much of bass. So not very keen on this.
5. Canton GLE 402 and Canton GLE 403. - Never heard of this. Not many reviews also. But seems interesting on paper
6. The Cerwin Vega CLS series - Again, not sure if it is audiophile quality.
7. tektondesign.com - Never heard of these, Are these a reputed brand and good SQ ?
8. Monitor Audio S2's - this seems attractive but slightly pricier than my budget, I am considering it
9. PSB B25's - This is in the top of my list but I saw a few isolated negative user reviews, so kinda thinking about it
10.Wharfedale Diamond 10.1's - I have heard diamond 8.2s and they just did not have the 'wow' factor I expected
11. KEF - I am researching this
12. Paradigm - Again top of my list
13. Axiom M3, M22 - In the top of my list
14. Emotiva - are these bookshelves also know for high SQ ?

I have listed all the ones suggested. I have also listed my thoughts. Please let me know if my understanding on these are not accurate.
I am kinda concerned about ebay and so staying away from it. I am looking up craigslist but nothing so far in my budet or liking. Comments are welcome and thanks again.
-Vic

[just4surf]

Can you please expand on why Axiom and Paradigm are not to your liking. I am giving serious consideration to both.
Thanks
Vic

[blackraven]

I'm not sure what you mean by audiophile. You are going to have to spend over $2K on speakers to get audiophile sound and that will only occur if you have $3-10K worth of amp, preamp and CD player or DAC. Now that that's just my opinion and audiphile price points vary to each individual. That's not to say that you can't get good sound on a budget. You are not going to find audiophile quality with a $300 budget or even $500.

When talking about speakers you are talking about personal tastes because we all like something different and hear differently. Speakers aver very subjective, what sounds good to one person may sound terrible to another.

You need to decide what type of sound appeals to you- Bright with crisp treble, warmer tone, neutral, exaggerated bass, what ever. Those Monitor audio S2's I mentioned slightly roll off the high frequencies and are good for cheap power amps and Cd players which tend to sound bright and harsh. But you have tone controls on your yammy receiver so that can help with harsh recordings. I think tone controls are a must in lower end gear and sometmes even in high end gear if you like to listen to Cd's from the early days or of music from the 60's or 70's. The PSB's treble is more pronounced about the speakers have pretty good resolution and bass.

The PSB's would be a good starting point because audio advisor has a 30 day money back guarentee. If you don't likem, send them back! You have a good list of speakers above and have gotten some good advice from others on this forum. I would also look for a used pair of NHT Classic 2's or the well rated Calssic 3's.

[poppachubby]

The Tektons will give you wonderful sound for the price. They are most certainly audiophile quality. The owner and chief engineer is available by email for questions. They will play even better with your sub. Your only problem with these and possibly other revealing speakers is your source. I recommend an upgrade, this doesn't mean you have to spend a fortune. There are affordable used CDP's out there to get you moving in the right direction.

Here's a wonderful write up on the open baffle design of Tekton's...

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0809/tekton_design_ob45.htm

[Mr Peabody]

Those Canton are nice if you can find them for your budget. A very nice midrange with a live presence and airy.

The Wharfdale's aren't a bad budget speaker. Several of the other models mentioned are good choices too, getting a pretty good list.

[just4surf]

Just wanted to update you all. I got a refurb Marantz DV4001. I am not sure if it is my imagination, I can really see a big improvement from by cheap Coby player. The sound is more rounded, fuller and the bass is better. Can anyone confirm if this is possible just upgrading the player or is my ear playing tricks on me
I am impressed with marantz :)
As far as my speaker search, I am strongly considering PSB Alpha B1, PSB B25, the Ascend CBM-170 SE, the KEF iQ10 and iQ30 (beyond my budget)
Just wanted to check if I should consider any sound matching with my existing electronics or it doesnt really matter. I enjoy sound that is open and vibrant but not fatiguing to the ears
Thanks for your response. The whole audio thing is getting addictive to me but I am enjoying it :)
Thanks,
-Vic

[RGA]

Speaker technology changes very very little. You will be FAR FAR better off buying a set of speakers at a pawn shop - You will probably get 5 year old $1000 speakers for $300 - or 10 year old $2,000 speakers for $300 or close.

Buying used of course requires some "back" knowledge of which speakers are good and ones to avoid. But in general if you are considering a speaker from Paradigm, Monitor Audio, Wharfedale whatever now then those names still line the shelves of pawn shops. I picked up a nice little set of Tannoy speakers for $60 and they're just as good if not better than my B&W standmounts that cost me $300.

If you go back 15-20 years and you can get a good shape speaker you may really find a star for $300 but it may need a bit of work so you'd have to check them out in person rather than looking at photos on the net.

If music really is a priority I would get rid of the receiver and use a dedicated CD player or external DAC (if the dvd player has a digital out). Again used market.

[poppachubby]

Just wanted to update you all. I got a refurb Marantz DV4001. I am not sure if it is my imagination, I can really see a big improvement from by cheap Coby player. The sound is more rounded, fuller and the bass is better. Can anyone confirm if this is possible just upgrading the player or is my ear playing tricks on me
I am impressed with marantz :)


No it's not your imagination. A Coby player has been designed to play DVDs and that's it. Sure, it may be compatible with other disc formats, but in all reality it's components can barely cope with the task of DVD.

I'm not a fan of using a DVD player. Recently Yamaha DVD S1800 went into closeout mode on the net and guys were picking them up for less than $100. It's a multi tasking unit, and most people bought them for playing Cd's. Every owner raved about the sound, so who am I to argue with that?

Obviously when you get into a high enough bracket such as Oppo, the CD fidelity becomes quite high. At the sub $50 level, you should be happy that all the screws are in place.

Enjoy your Marantz, I'm glad you improved your source. Keep researching, saving money and moving forward. The best is yet to come!

[manlystanley]

Speaker technology changes very very little. You will be FAR FAR better off buying a set of speakers at a pawn shop - You will probably get 5 year old $1000 speakers for $300 - or 10 year old $2,000 speakers for $300 or close.

Buying used of course requires some "back" knowledge of which speakers are good and ones to avoid. But in general if you are considering a speaker from Paradigm, Monitor Audio, Wharfedale whatever now then those names still line the shelves of pawn shops. I picked up a nice little set of Tannoy speakers for $60 and they're just as good if not better than my B&W standmounts that cost me $300.

If you go back 15-20 years and you can get a good shape speaker you may really find a star for $300 but it may need a bit of work so you'd have to check them out in person rather than looking at photos on the net.

If music really is a priority I would get rid of the receiver and use a dedicated CD player or external DAC (if the dvd player has a digital out). Again used market.


As usual, some great advice. The most important thing is that a person has to do lots of research and understand what he's looking for. But, buying used has some real advantages, such as:

-- Your tastes will change with time (at lest mine has). Buying cheap allows you to dabble and experiment with different sounds and see what suites your tastes.

-- It's kind of cool to have speakers that cost some guy a $1000 10 years ago and you got them for $100.

-- It gives you a chance to listen and evaluate for a long time. Then if you don't like them, sell them.

-- You'll learn a lot doing it the used route. I've had generally good luck going the used route. Only once did I get stuck with a problem set of speakers. But then, I was able to fix them myself.

I personally, like the Jamo sound (it's not for everyone, very laid back), but since they are not a real well known speaker, they don't have the best re-sale value [e.g. read this as you can stick it to the first buyer :-) ].

Here's some options:

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/ele/1671088350.html
http://columbus.craigslist.org/ele/1661440562.html



Best Regards,
Stan

[manlystanley]

Thank you folks for responding to my questions. I really appreciate each your comments

1. HSU hb-1 - Are these audiophile quality. Also, slighly concerned about horn and if it will be fatiguing to the ears on prolonged use
2. Mordaunt Short 902's - Seems interesting and researching on this.
3. Anthony Gallo spheres - The style is not to my linking
4. Cambridge Audio S30 - 4.5 inch woofer is kinda on the small size and so cant expect much of bass. So not very keen on this.
5. Canton GLE 402 and Canton GLE 403. - Never heard of this. Not many reviews also. But seems interesting on paper
6. The Cerwin Vega CLS series - Again, not sure if it is audiophile quality.
7. tektondesign.com - Never heard of these, Are these a reputed brand and good SQ ?
8. Monitor Audio S2's - this seems attractive but slightly pricier than my budget, I am considering it
9. PSB B25's - This is in the top of my list but I saw a few isolated negative user reviews, so kinda thinking about it
10.Wharfedale Diamond 10.1's - I have heard diamond 8.2s and they just did not have the 'wow' factor I expected
11. KEF - I am researching this
12. Paradigm - Again top of my list
13. Axiom M3, M22 - In the top of my list
14. Emotiva - are these bookshelves also know for high SQ ?

I have listed all the ones suggested. I have also listed my thoughts. Please let me know if my understanding on these are not accurate.
I am kinda concerned about ebay and so staying away from it. I am looking up craigslist but nothing so far in my budet or liking. Comments are welcome and thanks again.
-Vic


I know next to nothing about Canton speakers, but I'd imagine these you could get some really good deals on (since there not well known). Here's a couple options, other can tell you if there good speakers or not:

http://austin.craigslist.org/ele/1638731436.html
http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/ele/1681321581.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele/1675131863.html


One final piece of advice, for a newbee (e.g. take it with a grain of salt): look at the speakers weight. The more heavy it is the bigger the magnets the better the sound. Others can tell me if this is a good rule of thumb or not.

Best Regards,
Stan

[just4surf]

Speaker technology changes very very little. You will be FAR FAR better off buying a set of speakers at a pawn shop - You will probably get 5 year old $1000 speakers for $300 - or 10 year old $2,000 speakers for $300 or close.

Buying used of course requires some "back" knowledge of which speakers are good and ones to avoid. But in general if you are considering a speaker from Paradigm, Monitor Audio, Wharfedale whatever now then those names still line the shelves of pawn shops. I picked up a nice little set of Tannoy speakers for $60 and they're just as good if not better than my B&W standmounts that cost me $300.

If you go back 15-20 years and you can get a good shape speaker you may really find a star for $300 but it may need a bit of work so you'd have to check them out in person rather than looking at photos on the net.

If music really is a priority I would get rid of the receiver and use a dedicated CD player or external DAC (if the dvd player has a digital out). Again used market.

I dont mind going the used route. But, I am not in a position to fix or mend any issues. Apart from that, the other concerns is the condition. How do I know it is full working condition by just looking at it at a pawn shop. Craigslist might work better if the guy lets me listen to it.
Also, my music/HT is about 90/10 and due to space constraints, I can not have a separate system for both at this point. Howvever, If I can get a really cheap used decent stereo receiver, I might be able to convince my wife. But, I would need the sub out to connect the sub, Alternatively, I am thinking of selling my Yammy and getting a better HT reciever, possibly used or refurb.

[just4surf]

No it's not your imagination. A Coby player has been designed to play DVDs and that's it. Sure, it may be compatible with other disc formats, but in all reality it's components can barely cope with the task of DVD.

I'm not a fan of using a DVD player. Recently Yamaha DVD S1800 went into closeout mode on the net and guys were picking them up for less than $100. It's a multi tasking unit, and most people bought them for playing Cd's. Every owner raved about the sound, so who am I to argue with that?

Obviously when you get into a high enough bracket such as Oppo, the CD fidelity becomes quite high. At the sub $50 level, you should be happy that all the screws are in place.

Enjoy your Marantz, I'm glad you improved your source. Keep researching, saving money and moving forward. The best is yet to come!

Thanks poppachubby
The more I listened to it, I can tell the SQ improved by a few notches. It has a nice smoothness to it that I am liking

[just4surf]

I know next to nothing about Canton speakers, but I'd imagine these you could get some really good deals on (since there not well known). Here's a couple options, other can tell you if there good speakers or not:

http://austin.craigslist.org/ele/1638731436.html
http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/ele/1681321581.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele/1675131863.html


One final piece of advice, for a newbee (e.g. take it with a grain of salt): look at the speakers weight. The more heavy it is the bigger the magnets the better the sound. Others can tell me if this is a good rule of thumb or not.

Best Regards,
Stan

Thanks Stan for your thoughts. Yes, I do look at craigslist. I did not find anything interesting in the northern VA or even in DC area. So, that when I thought of going new. I did see the Bang and Olufsen from 90s, but not sure how they sound. and the shape was kinda odd and not sure how to mount it on my stands.

[blackraven]

Keep the Yammy and put the money to sspeakers. These Wharfedale Daimond 10.2's are a good deal. These and the PSB B-25's/B-6's would be my top 2 choices in your price range. Also consider NHT Classic 2's which are a warmer sounding speaker with very good midbass.

http://www.onecall.com/productdetails.aspx?id=29719


http://www.wildwestelectronics.net/wharfedale-diamond-10-2-speakers.html

http://signature.crutchfield.com/S-X7IAKiANrCT/s_760IMGB6B/PSB-Image-B6-Black-Ash.html

The B-6's replace the outgoing B-25's.

One thing to remember about user reviews is that speakers are so subjective. I've got Magnepans and some peolpe love them and others hate them.

[poppachubby]

Thanks poppachubby
The more I listened to it, I can tell the SQ improved by a few notches. It has a nice smoothness to it that I am liking

Might I make a suggestion that won't break the bank? If you enjoy smoothness, consider a vintage Philips/Marantz/Magnavox CDP. They have a wonderful analog quality which gives fantastic smoothness, yet maintains detail. EBay frequently sell these for a reasonable price. If you are truly interested, PM me or let me know and I can give you a short list of models to watch for.

Here's a link currently on Ebay. They are sought after for their great sound, and ease of modification. There are also tons of parts available to fix any of the wear and tear issues that may come up. A fun and popular mod is to add a tube stage, ultra smooth!

The Marantz CD-40 was well built and sounds incredible with it's TDA 1541A and CDM4/19 transport. This auction will likely finish around the $100 mark. As I said, great fidelity for a great price.

Specifically about the CD-40, it's a lower end version of the CD-60. Same components, but cheaper materials for the chassis and faceplate. Essentially, doesn't look as nice, but sounds the same as many of their higher models from this vintage. They were made in Belgium at a Philips factory, a desirable trait in itself. lot's of room inside for modifying. Just an example for you to consider, great sound without breaking the wallet.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Marantz-CD-40-Player-CDM4-Swing-Arm-mechanism-TDA1541A_W0QQitemZ190387372339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZA U_CD_Players?hash=item2c53f8c133

[MntnMan62]

I recently went through the same process you are going through now. I had already owned a pair of Paradigm Titans v3 and was considering their Studio Series as well as Polks. I ended up with a pair of Silverline Audio Minuets. I wasn't able to listen to them before buying and bought them based on all the rave reviews I had read online. That is a dangerous thing. What made me pull the trigger on them was I found them for sale at $545 at deepsurplus.com. In looking at their website, they offered a no questions asked return policy and reviews of the website were positive. The only glitch was that while they indicated they had them in stock, they actually did not. So when I called, I easily reached someone who was extremely helpful and told me that they were buying the speaker directly from Silverline and when they received them, they would ship them out. I had also contacted Silverline directly and their policy was no returns and I had to send them a check. Now that I have them, they sound great. Light on the bass for my taste but a Polk PSW10 works real nicely with them. Worth checking out.

[Pat D]

I wouldrather have a pair of PSB B25's. Here is a review of them. (But I would have no problems with the Diamonds either.)

http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/1204psb/index.html

Now you have to take these reviews with a grain of salt. These reviewers listen to these speakers with high end amps and Cd players so that they get the most out of lower end speakers. They also tend to polish reviews although this review was very positive and there were no red flags.

I haven't heard them, but Stereophile's measurements of the PSB B25 are quite good, exceptionally good for their price range. Very few more expensive used speakers measure as well.

[just4surf]

I haven't heard them, but Stereophile's measurements of the PSB B25 are quite good, exceptionally good for their price range. Very few more expensive used speakers measure as well.

Yes, it is in my list. I have almost narrowed it down to last 4
1. Axiom M3 - Seems a bit more for HT than music.
2. PSB B25 - a few ppl reported bass as muddy, but still one of my top pick
3. Ascend CBM-170SE - excellemt reviews, but some lack of bass. I do have a sub
4. Energy RC10 - Seems good for the price when on sale. out of stock at Vanns
Again, my primary is music and HT is like secondary.
If folks can give me some more perspective on these, it will be nice. I really dont care for looks but I can score points with my wife :) thanks
-Vic

[K-High-Fi]

Hello everyone,

I thought its better to ask here since the thread about bookshelf. :) Im also looking for bookshelf speaker my budget can go up to $6500. I refined my search to go for three-way design, very high performance and resolution, very smooth and laid back, none fatiguing, and perfectly balanced. For all type of music listening.

Any folks have suggestion I will appreciate it very much.
Thanks very much.

[audio amateur]

K high fi, you shouldn't presume that a 3-way speaker is what you want. Why do you think you 'need' a 3 way speaker? There is nothing in the design of a 3way speaker that makes it inherently better than a 2 way, 4 way, full range or other. In fact, there is a reason why I wouldn't go looking for a 3 way bookshelf speaker, and that is because of the limited popularity of 3 way bookshelves compared to 2 way bookshelves (2 way being the most popular for standmounts). As for your budget, you can probably find a very good pair for half that, but then that is up to you to decide when you audition. I have an exam tomorrow so I wont bother giving you any recommendations and leave that to the others:)

Oh, and if you're serious about this, I wouldn't hesitate to make a new thread for it ;)

[Mr Peabody]

K-high, with the budget you have you'd be hard pressed to find a better speaker than the C1 you were thinking about. Dynaudio and Krell have always been a great combo as well.

You should also take a look at Gallo Acoustics. A very unique speaker that shouldn't have problems in your room.

[K-High-Fi]

Thank you Audio amateure and Peapody very much for reply. No problem, I can go for 2 ways. I want only bookshelf because its flexible when moving around the room. The Dynaudio C1 in my top list but im not comfortable with 6.5-inch driver for low-mid still sound to me small driver! Probably something like 8 inch for decent sound, but still keeping C1 in my mind.

So any other options for finest bookshelf, warm and perfectly balanced sound

[Hyfi]

You will be very surprised how much bass a small pair of Danes can put out with the right amp. Go listen to them if you have a chance.

[audio amateur]

I agree with Hyfi, epecially if you're looking for something that won't be too huge.

[Mr Peabody]

Concur, don't go by the driver size, go by sound and Dynaudio's 6" drivers don't sound like 6" drivers. They put some larger drivers to shame. One thing consistent about Dynaudio, people may find a character of them they dislike but I've yet to hear any one complain about the bass.

[K-High-Fi]

Thanks folks for recommendation. I see the all votes for C1 sound to me can perform like large speaker?

I don’t want to be too critical! But one expert told me if I live with electrostatic like MG-20 it’s very difficult to abandon it and live with boxed speaker! My concern (and im bit frightened) I might like C1 at beginning and buys it, then sells my MG-20 but later I rediscovered I want back the magnepan but no longer have it!! I feel I want speaker closer (at least) to MG-20. I have to tell you guys electrostatic sounded great, although im aware of their downsides but I can listen for six hours without fatigue and sounded magical, its the longest speaker lived with me (12 years) :). At the moment I don’t see many options for bookshelf like old days in 70s, so does that mean i have to go for floor standing if i want perfect sound?

[Mr Peabody]

Well, you may hook up the box speaker and find you've been missing out :) Splitting hairs but Maggies are not electrostats. I personally found electrostats far superior to Maggies. We have many Maggie fans hear though and they have a great following.

Keep in mind if you ever do buy Dynaudio they require a tremendous amount of break in time.

[K-High-Fi]

Sorry for confusion! I forget Maggies are planner not electrostatic. Thanks for reminding me. :)

By the way any thoughts about Elac speakers i heard they are perfect in every aspect? Has anybody find issue with them?

[Mr Peabody]

I personally don't know anything about Elac.