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Yamahog12
01-30-2010, 01:57 PM
First, Hello. I'm new here and I have had the same basic stereo system for about 12 or 15 years. I have an old Yamaha AX-570 amp and even older Inifinity SM-100 speakers. I also have a new Yamaha CD carousel which I can't think of the model number at the moment.

For a long time my home stereo mostly has sat dormant as I opted to use the "garage stereo" where I can hang out with friends and brothers and drink beer. When mixed with beer it sounds pretty decent and I let people smoke in the garage but not in the house.

I've begun to revisit listening to music in my living room, and while my system is ok, I am wondering if a speaker upgrade could make a significant improvement in sound- while continuing to use the Yamaha amp. I don't want to spend more than $1000 for a pair of floor standing speakers, but I know so little about matching stuff up.

Is it worth it to buy new and better speakers and keep using my old amp? I am not really interested in surround sound, but would consider adding a sub-woofer. I don't know enough about the specs of equipment to read them intelligently, so I apologize if I'm too dumb to even get started! I appreciate any help I can get!

blackraven
01-30-2010, 03:27 PM
First, Hello. I'm new here and I have had the same basic stereo system for about 12 or 15 years. I have an old Yamaha AX-570 amp and even older Inifinity SM-100 speakers. I also have a new Yamaha CD carousel which I can't think of the model number at the moment.

For a long time my home stereo mostly has sat dormant as I opted to use the "garage stereo" where I can hang out with friends and brothers and drink beer. When mixed with beer it sounds pretty decent and I let people smoke in the garage but not in the house.

I've begun to revisit listening to music in my living room, and while my system is ok, I am wondering if a speaker upgrade could make a significant improvement in sound- while continuing to use the Yamaha amp. I don't want to spend more than $1000 for a pair of floor standing speakers, but I know so little about matching stuff up.

Is it worth it to buy new and better speakers and keep using my old amp? I am not really interested in surround sound, but would consider adding a sub-woofer. I don't know enough about the specs of equipment to read them intelligently, so I apologize if I'm too dumb to even get started! I appreciate any help I can get!

Keep the amp, Its spec's look great and reviews look good.

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/av/english/IntA/AX-470.pdf

I would consider a pair of Monitor Audio RS6's, PSB Image T-65's, PSB GT1, PSB Image T-5

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PBIMT65

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PBSTGT1

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PBIMT5

LeRoy
01-30-2010, 05:21 PM
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Infinity Primus P252
Single floor-standing speaker
Your Price $229.99 Each
Item #108P252BG

Infinity Primus P362
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Your Price $329.99 Each
Item #108P362BG


http://www.accessories4less.com/index.php

Mordaunt Short Aviano 6
Three-way 6" Floorstanding Speaker Pair
Walnut
Our Price: $995.00


http://www.wildwestelectronics.net/

Wharfedale Diamond 9.6 Floor Standing Speaker (PAIR)
Black, Cherry or Rosewood
Your Price: $719.10

Be sure to read the user reviews on each site.

JoeE SP9
01-30-2010, 06:35 PM
Hello Yamahog12. The two previous responders have given good advice. So, what they said.

Yamahog12
01-30-2010, 07:41 PM
Thanks for the responses. I'll take a look at all the suggestions.

As I look over the specs of speakers, I see some have impedance of 8 ohms, 6 ohms, 4 ohms, etc. I think my amp (Yamaha AX-570) can handle either 8 or 6 ohm speakers. At least that's what someone told me. What does the impedance do for speakers? I mean, is 4 better than 6, etc? Thanks in advance.

pixelthis
01-31-2010, 02:32 PM
Thanks for the responses. I'll take a look at all the suggestions.

As I look over the specs of speakers, I see some have impedance of 8 ohms, 6 ohms, 4 ohms, etc. I think my amp (Yamaha AX-570) can handle either 8 or 6 ohm speakers. At least that's what someone told me. What does the impedance do for speakers? I mean, is 4 better than 6, etc? Thanks in advance.

Don't worry about it.
I would, if I could, stick with eight ohm, which is mostly whats out there, except for Axioms and a few others.
Wouldnt surprize me if there was a eight-four ohm switch on the back of your amp, however , they used to include those.
I would keep this amp till it dies , and even then consider repairs.
Yamaha has sold their soul to the "mass market" in order to surrvive, and, like Polk
and a few others, their older stuff is godlike compared to their newer, computerized,
stuff, which usually shares one power supply with seven amps, with predictable results.:1:

mcbr1
02-03-2010, 10:40 AM
Does all this old Yamaha integrated amp love also apply to my even older A-520?

Yamahog12
03-12-2010, 05:59 AM
Hello again.

I called a place in Syracuse, NY and based on the speakers they sell, the guy recommended any of the following:

Paradigm Monitor 7,9 or 11, or Millenia300.
Definitive Tech DT 7004 or ?60s

Of course he limited them to what he has for sale. I also told him my budget max's at $2K rather than the $1K I stated in my first post. Can anyone comment on any of the models I've mentioned here? He did also recommend Magnepan model 1.6 but my amp won't do 4 ohm speakers. Thanks.

harley .guy07
03-12-2010, 03:16 PM
I used to work for a high end shop and we sold Yamaha as our better home theater and budget priced integrated gear and I sold plenty of the Yamaha AX-570 and they are a good amp for the money and have quite a bit of power and dynamics for the money and I sold Paradigm as well and they matched pretty well with amp if you stay in the monitor series, I also sold this unit to power Mirage 790 and 1090 i's and it worked well with them but they aren't the same company and they don't make the speaker that they used to in my opinion. I would think there are some very good options out there in today's speakers for this amp and contrary to popular belief your amp will handle a 4 ohm load because I have run this amp at this load and it worked quite well. I think in order for us to help you I think I would need to know what kind of speaker you want as far as floorstanding or stand mount and what kind of sound and music you like. I know with me knowing this I would be able to give you some advise on some speakers to look at that might make your Yamaha sing again.

Yamahog12
03-12-2010, 05:46 PM
So the Harley Guy will help the Yamahog? Sounds good to me! I'm looking for a pair of floor standing speakers that sound great without a sub-woofer and other speakers. That because (and correct me if I'm wrong) my amp is just 2 channel so I can't add others even if I wanted to. I'm not ready to spend a fortune on new stuff so I'm keeping my amp. I listen to a wide variety of music. Mostly rock (not metal), and often acoustical guitar stuff (mellower as I get old). Favorite band is Tragically Hip if that helps.

I have not listened to new speakers in a long time. So I'm not even sure going for higher end speakers will be worth the cost, but I'm going to shop to find out. I don't know much about the higher end stuff and I don't even know what some of the products mentioned in here are (pre-amp, etc.). I do know that I'm not thrilled with my SM-100s though I was when I bought them 20 years ago. I'm hoping to find speakers that are better- much better if possible.

I'm all ears to anyone who can offer up some assistance. A basic question: With this amp, does it make sense to go all out on speakers? In other words, can I expect to make real gains JUST going with different speakers? Thanks.

JoeE SP9
03-12-2010, 09:13 PM
What do you mean by "all out"?

Yamahog12
03-13-2010, 04:39 AM
All out? Buying the best speakers you can afford. In other words, will limitations of the amp or CD player make the speakers not reach their potential. So if one could buy the $25K speakers, would they be any (or noticeably) better than the $1K speakers if all the other equipment remains constant?

I should also mention that my living room is 21x21.

harley .guy07
03-13-2010, 09:49 AM
All out? Buying the best speakers you can afford. In other words, will limitations of the amp or CD player make the speakers not reach their potential. So if one could buy the $25K speakers, would they be any (or noticeably) better than the $1K speakers if all the other equipment remains constant?

I should also mention that my living room is 21x21.

They would but your equipment would not be up to the task of bringing out the best in speakers that range in the 25k price range. Now 1k is another story. I think your amp would do nicely with a floorstanding speaker in that range and there are a lot of options in this price range. Audio review has a section that rates speakers in this price range that would be worth looking into. I would look at Monitor Audio, Usher, Dynaudio(but finding a floorstanding speaker in this price range will be hard). PSB would be another worth looking into. I am not sure where you live but if you have any quality audio shops in your area I would go listen to some of the new speakers out there and see what you like. You have enough power for almost any of the 1k floorstanding speakers out there its just up to you to see what kind of sound you will like with the music you listen to. I personally like a smooth non fatiguing sound that is smooth enough to listen to for hours without the treble making my ears want to bleed like some of the metal dome tweeters that are in some of the speakers out there.

Yamahog12
03-13-2010, 05:00 PM
Thanks. The closest place that carries several different brands of speakers is about 75 miles away. There's a place 15 miles away that sells only Paradigms. I looked at the Def Tech DT 7004 online and they claim to have a 300w built in subwoofer. A pair is about $1500. Others have mentioned PSB but I'll have to look around to see if anyone in Syracuse has them. I really appreciate your help and that of others. Like I said, it's been a long time since I looked at stereo equipment.

Another real basic question: My room is 21x21. What's the optimum distance that should be between the 2 speakers? Right now mine are 13 ft. apart. My only option without rearranging everything is to have them about 6 ft apart. Thanks.

harley .guy07
03-13-2010, 10:16 PM
I would take your 21 feet room and divide it into two 10 and 1/2 feet half's and put the speakers in the 5 1/4' of the 10 and 1/2 of the middle split measurement so that they are in the optimal location in your room so that there would be around 10 1/2 feet between the speakers so it is a 2/3d's speaker placement which is optimal in most rooms if the room does not have anything in it that would make this impossible. That is the prescribed speaker placement for most systems but every room is different so it also depends on how your room is. I have heard good things about the Def tech mythos line of speakers but I am not a fan of having built in subwoofers because you are not allowed to reposition the sub for optimum placement in your room. I would rather have a good set of floorstanders and a separate sub I could place at a better location to produce the most balanced bass. I would definitely check out the Paradigms at the location mentioned and see what you think. But also I would keep yourself open to others brands as well.

Yamahog12
03-14-2010, 06:50 AM
"I would rather have a good set of floorstanders and a separate sub I could place at a better location to produce the most balanced bass."

Yes, but my 2-channel amp doesn't accomodate a sub-woofer. I'm probably over-thinking the whole thing as I'm prone to do. I did find a place about 25 miles away that carries PSBs. IF they're still there, that is, but they're listed as a dealer on the PSB site. Thanks again for the suggestions, and I'll continue to nose around.

harley .guy07
03-14-2010, 07:46 AM
Yeah go check them out. PSB has several different series in their lineup that run in different price classes and they are a good company overall. There are speakers they make that I like and ones I don't but overall they have a good product and are worth checking out. And you don't need a subwoofer output to run a sub, there are other ways to hook a sub up without a dedicated subwoofer output.