My apologies for being LOST, but now I'm found.

[kexodusc]

WOW!

Did anyone else notice how stupid Sawyer's attack plan on the sub was? Ok, Hurley, Sayid, Jin you all have guns so you're with me - Oh and Sun, you can stand with us weaponless and exposed, but try to look good.

At least Sayid redeemed himself in the end...

Here's a question I'm not sure has been asked - if Jack is the leading candidate to be Jacob's replacement - where was Jacob planning to go before he was stabbed and burned? Retirement?

[Worf101]

Hmmm... Learned a lot last night, lost a lot too (no pun intended).

1. Sayid, not so with as we thought.

2. Sawyer, first class feck up if ever we saw one. But that's how they drew him

3. "Sayid... there is no Sayid!" Nice tip of the hat to "Dog Soldiers" my fave werewolf movie.

4. So, as I said months ago what we have here is "The Sentinel" writ large. Kinda disappointing.

5. Did we need the Sun and Jin "Titanic" moment? The old ladies crying her eyes out and I"m laughin' doing my best Benny Hill imatation. "Rubbage" I cried aloud. "Rubbage!!!".

6. Condolences to all the male and female lovers of the bare chested, swarthy, muscled, dreamy eyed, butcher from Bhagdad. I dug him too.

Well, I'll leave now before F.A. and the other round up the posse, and warm up the tar and feathers.

Worf

[ForeverAutumn]

damn that sun-jin moment was heart wrenching. :(

In hindsight we probably should have seen it coming. The way that they were talking about their daughter.

Sun: She's with my mother.
Jin: I've seen pictures of her.

That's the kind of dialogue that this show uses to tie up loose ends before someone is killed. But killing them both off was just so far out there that it never even occured to me...even after the close call at the pylons during their reunion :wink5:. But the way that they were killed off really was truly beautiful if you think of where their relationship started in S1 when Sun wanted to leave Jin (you're a cold beast, Worf).

And my Sayid is gone! My lovely, lovely torturer and tortured Sayid. :(

Nice tease by the writers to make us think that it was Kate who was going to bite the dust. First Widmore says she's expendable and then she gets shot. Yet she survives the whole thing...for now.

My prediction is that Kate and Sawyer are the next to go. Kate's gonna get killed doing something stupid and Saywer will die doing something heroic to save Jack.

[ForeverAutumn]

WOW!

Did anyone else notice how stupid Sawyer's attack plan on the sub was? Ok, Hurley, Sayid, Jin you all have guns so you're with me - Oh and Sun, you can stand with us weaponless and exposed, but try to look good.

Yeah, it was lame. Especially since he had no idea who else was on the sub and if anyone would be there who could actually drive the thing. But that's who Sawyer is. He's not the smartest bulb in the box, never has been. Sawyer acts on emotion. It's Jack who has the capacity to think things through...hence his comments about not dismantling the bomb. What I thought was interesting about that scene was Sawyer coming right out and telling Jack that he doesn't trust him.


At least Sayid redeemed himself in the end...

That kind of made me wonder whether Sayid was really a Zombie or just trying to play Locke all along; to gain Locke's trust and get on the inside so that when the time came he would have the knowledge he needed to fight back. A little secret agent work that he could have learned in the army.


Here's a question I'm not sure has been asked - if Jack is the leading candidate to be Jacob's replacement - where was Jacob planning to go before he was stabbed and burned? Retirement?

That's a very good question. Why does Jacob need a replacement in the first place? Maybe he knew that eventually the man in black would succeed in killing him. But then, what was Jacob going to do once he found his replacement. Hmmmmm.

[Worf101]

In hindsight we probably should have seen it coming. The way that they were talking about their daughter.

Sun: She's with my mother.
Jin: I've seen pictures of her.

That's the kind of dialogue that this show uses to tie up loose ends before someone is killed. But killing them both off was just so far out there that it never even occured to me...even after the close call at the pylons during their reunion :wink5:. But the way that they were killed off really was truly beautiful if you think of where their relationship started in S1 when Sun wanted to leave Jin (you're a cold beast, Worf).
And my Sayid is gone! My lovely, lovely torturer and tortured Sayid. :(

Nice tease by the writers to make us think that it was Kate who was going to bite the dust. First Widmore says she's expendable and then she gets shot. Yet she survives the whole thing...for now.

My prediction is that Kate and Sawyer are the next to go. Kate's gonna get killed doing something stupid and Saywer will die doing something heroic to save Jack.
That's how I learned to deal with grief in the Service, laugh at it... spit in death's eye. I'm not a cold beast, just need a thicker shell than others.

Worf

[Kam]

In hindsight we probably should have seen it coming. The way that they were talking about their daughter.

Sun: She's with my mother.
Jin: I've seen pictures of her.

That's the kind of dialogue that this show uses to tie up loose ends before someone is killed. But killing them both off was just so far out there that it never even occured to me...even after the close call at the pylons during their reunion :wink5:. But the way that they were killed off really was truly beautiful if you think of where their relationship started in S1 when Sun wanted to leave Jin (you're a cold beast, Worf).

And my Sayid is gone! My lovely, lovely torturer and tortured Sayid. :(

Nice tease by the writers to make us think that it was Kate who was going to bite the dust. First Widmore says she's expendable and then she gets shot. Yet she survives the whole thing...for now.

My prediction is that Kate and Sawyer are the next to go. Kate's gonna get killed doing something stupid and Saywer will die doing something heroic to save Jack.

yeah i figured the body count was going to have a steep up-tick by the end of the season, but still sucks to see 'em go. Which is a great testament to the series as a whole, with all the connections the audience makes with the characters and to see who you really care about. thinking kate might die really didn't effect me at all, but the second it became obvious that sun was trapped and jin was not going to leave her alone... BAM!! right in the emotional guts. although i'm sure it was a powerful moment for most people not named Worf, i do tend to get hit with those types of moments, they really resonate for me. Same when Sayid took the bomb and ran... BAM!! right in the emotiona guts.

but i'm a total fanboy of 'sacrifice moments' in movies. As an e.g., it gets me everytime even without knowing anything about the character, like in Air Force One, that pilot who swings his F16 into the missile to protect the plane... BAM!! right in the emotional guts. and actually that's the only thing i remember from that movie.

that being said, if kate sacrifices herself to save jack/sawyer/a coconut, and i don't get the BAM!! right in the emotional guts, that really means i don't like the character.

was nice seeing Bernard again.

[Kam]

That kind of made me wonder whether Sayid was really a Zombie or just trying to play Locke all along; to gain Locke's trust and get on the inside so that when the time came he would have the knowledge he needed to fight back. A little secret agent work that he could have learned in the army.

That's a very good question. Why does Jacob need a replacement in the first place? Maybe he knew that eventually the man in black would succeed in killing him. But then, what was Jacob going to do once he found his replacement. Hmmmmm.

i was thinking about that too, Sayid snapped into pretty stark lucidity at the end, where before he seemed to be dreamwalking a lot. i guess that'll be an unanswered question, but i like to think that when push came to shove, that 'darkness spreading to his heart' that Temple Leader dude talked about could not overcome his desire to protect his friends. so sayid was being overcome by whatever darkness Smokey/Island/Weird Whirlpool of Death brought him back to life with, but he held it off to save his friends.

and i'd like to bring back into evidence my selective memory of one of my predictions back in season two... and the scene of Locke teaching Walt about backgammon, it's about light and dark, and how i thought that was going to be the answer of Locke vs. Mr. Eko in the light vs. dark battle... so i was a lil off BUT... i don't want to take credit for figuring out everything, but i tewtelly figured out everything. :D

hehehehehe

[kexodusc]

The one spot of the show that really resonated with me was Hurley's display of emotion at the end...he was sad for Libby, but really, since then I don't think there's been a more calm, even-keeled play-the-hand-that's-dealt character on the show.

And does Jack lose his street-cred with Losties since he was completely wrong about the bomb going off? Man, that would have been a crappy way to go...

Here's the other logic flaw with that scene- IF Jack was right and the bomb wouldn't go off because of his belief that Evil Locke couldn't kill them, THEN Jack should have had no problem with Sawyer pulling the wires anyway!!!

[Kam]

The one spot of the show that really resonated with me was Hurley's display of emotion at the end...he was sad for Libby, but really, since then I don't think there's been a more calm, even-keeled play-the-hand-that's-dealt character on the show.

And does Jack lose his street-cred with Losties since he was completely wrong about the bomb going off? Man, that would have been a crappy way to go...

Here's the other logic flaw with that scene- IF Jack was right and the bomb wouldn't go off because of his belief that Evil Locke couldn't kill them, THEN Jack should have had no problem with Sawyer pulling the wires anyway!!!

i thought the logic worked in favor of Jack. that if they did nothing to the bomb, that is, the bomb was left the way Locke put it in his bag, then nothing would happen. Just like the fuse going out of the dynamite at the Black Rock with Richard. BUT, if they tampered with it, if they did something to effect it themselves, then that is what would cause it to explode. Basically the ongoing themes of belief/faith/science/ etc.

If they believed in Jack (and so the power of jacob/the island) then by leaving the bomb alone, nothing would happen to them. But since sawyer tampered with it, that is what caused it to go off.

that was my take on it at least.

(edit - oh yeah, and Hurley's break down at the end was really powerful. kate's ... eh, she cries a lot so didn't effect me. but you're right, for hurley to break down really hits ya hard.)

[ForeverAutumn]

And does Jack lose his street-cred with Losties since he was completely wrong about the bomb going off? Man, that would have been a crappy way to go...

I agree with Kam. If Sawyer had trusted Jack and left the bomb alone then they would have been fine. The bomb as it was set by Locke couldn't hurt them. When Sawyer didn't trust Jack and he pulled the wires then it was Sawyer's action, and not Locke's, that set the chain of events that led to the bomb going off.

Locke can't kill them, but they can kill each other. That's what Locke was hoping for.

[Kam]

I agree with Kam. If Sawyer had trusted Jack and left the bomb alone then they would have been fine. The bomb as it was set by Locke couldn't hurt them. When Sawyer didn't trust Jack and he pulled the wires then it was Sawyer's action, and not Locke's, that set the chain of events that led to the bomb going off.

Locke can't kill them, but they can kill each other. That's what Locke was hoping for.

I think Locke can't kill anyone who is still a Candidate. he has to have someone else do it for him. Just like he couldn't kill Jacob, but got Ben to do it, which might be the "loophole" that Jacob was talking about, perhaps?

I guess the balance of the island is Smokey and Jacob can't harm each other, but can do so through the actions of others with 'free will' or the choice to do so.

[kexodusc]

Ahh...very plausible, and I agree with those assessments. Makes sense, and Jack did say that he was hoping they'd kill each other.

So, does Locke need to collect the bodies to avatar himself off the island?

[ForeverAutumn]

So, does Locke need to collect the bodies to avatar himself off the island?

That's going to be difficult with three of them floating at the bottom of the ocean. :(

I want to know how Locke knew that the Sub had sunk and that not everyone was dead.

[ForeverAutumn]

I just read that the finale is now 2.5 hours long! I hope it's not just an extra half hour of commercials.

[Kam]

I just read that the finale is now 2.5 hours long! I hope it's not just an extra half hour of commercials.

it'll be 30 minutes of Sawyer and Hurley on a small skiff paddling in the ocean and the repeated dialogue of:
Hurley: "Are we there yet?"
Sawyer: "No."
Hurley: "Are we there yet?"
Sawyer: "No."
Hurley: "Are we there yet?"
Sawyer: "No."
Hurley: "Are we there yet?"
Sawyer: "No."

[Groundbeef]

That's going to be difficult with three of them floating at the bottom of the ocean. :(

I want to know how Locke knew that the Sub had sunk and that not everyone was dead.

I'm thinking he would have taken on some sort of new powerful shape or something. But because whatever he was expecting to happen didn't by default he knew that something had gone arwy. (That's a guess on my part).

[Kam]

I'm thinking he would have taken on some sort of new powerful shape or something. But because whatever he was expecting to happen didn't by default he knew that something had gone arwy. (That's a guess on my part).

i figured he has some connections with the Island so has a general sense of what is going on around the place, so his 'smokey sense' tingled and told him that the sub blew up under the water but that people escaped.

[Groundbeef]

i figured he has some connections with the Island so has a general sense of what is going on around the place, so his 'smokey sense' tingled and told him that the sub blew up under the water but that people escaped.

I just watched it again last night, as my wife hadn't seen it yet. At the end, I think I have a better feeling now for Locke. I don't think he knows that ANYONE survived the sub sinking!

I think he was referring to Desmond who is still alive. Locke knows he has to go as well. Thats what I think he was (Locke) referring to when he said he had to finish what he started.

[Kam]

I just watched it again last night, as my wife hadn't seen it yet. At the end, I think I have a better feeling now for Locke. I don't think he knows that ANYONE survived the sub sinking!

I think he was referring to Desmond who is still alive. Locke knows he has to go as well. Thats what I think he was (Locke) referring to when he said he had to finish what he started.


ahhh interesting... so the 'but they're not all dead yet' quote he meant for everyone else left on the island. maybe that's the loophole? if every candidate kills every other candidate, he is set free?

[Groundbeef]

ahhh interesting... so the 'but they're not all dead yet' quote he meant for everyone else left on the island. maybe that's the loophole? if every candidate kills every other candidate, he is set free?

Maybe. Next week looks good. The old 'Black hat vs White hat' is going down at the OK 'Lost' Corral.

[ForeverAutumn]

Holy crap my head is spinning. Adam and Eve go back to Season one. So they really did have the story planned out from the beginning.

So, was that Locke with Jack and Kate in the cave or was it really Smokey?

[kexodusc]

There's still a lot of holy **** moments...right up to the end.

I've forced myself to accept that the ending will not answer everything - part of the fun after the show ends will be all the continued theorizing.

And ol' Smokey is really a tragic character after all.

[Groundbeef]

Holy crap my head is spinning. Adam and Eve go back to Season one. So they really did have the story planned out from the beginning.

So, was that Locke with Jack and Kate in the cave or was it really Smokey?

Locke. Remember Benry had to kill him (strangle). Smokey took over the body when it was returned in the casket on the beach. In my opinion.

Great story.

[kexodusc]

Ok - Jacob throws Smokey in the stream, he gets zapped by the purty lights, and he turns into Smokey the Magic Death Monster...
But Locke (real Locke) spins the wheel o' light, gets zapped by the rays and wakes up in the desert...

[ForeverAutumn]

I agree with that now that I've had more time to think about it. But I think that Smokey had designs on Locke right from the beginning. Since he was a kid he's been a game player; a strategist. He set his focus on Locke early on. He had to plan the steps towards his Loophole and he recognized that Locke was a "sucker" for the Island's power. Smokey knew that he could use that to his advantage.

One of the things that I'm going to look for when I rewatch the whole series is how Smokey might have influenced Locke and the desicions that Locke made early on.

[ForeverAutumn]

So in another discussion group that I'm part of people are really complaining about how ****ty this season has been. The writing is sloppy and the storyline seems rushed. The few answers we've received have almost been thrown at us in passing as if they don't really matter (the whispers, the numbers).

What are your thoughts on season six so far. Are you enjoying it, or has it been a dud for you?

Are you expecting great things from the finale? Or are you preparing for disappointment?

[Kam]

interesting article in the times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/arts/television/16weblost.html?pagewanted=1&hpw

[Kam]

So in another discussion group that I'm part of people are really complaining about how ****ty this season has been. The writing is sloppy and the storyline seems rushed. The few answers we've received have almost been thrown at us in passing as if they don't really matter (the whispers, the numbers).

What are your thoughts on season six so far. Are you enjoying it, or has it been a dud for you?

Are you expecting great things from the finale? Or are you preparing for disappointment?

i'm enjoying it. some episodes felt like duds, which is odd given the last season and all, you'd think they'd have gotten the duds out of the way earlier and not waste any time with this season, but i think that is also their point in how this season is structured. given the article i've posted above and a few other interviews i've read, they DON'T want to give answers to a lot of the questions.

i like what they said (to some degree) in the times article about not giving an answer that discredits everyone elses thoughts, but leaves the debates open.

in a strange way, (and stick with me on this one) but for any big sci-fi/fantasty fans, it's like hearing the name of a character pronounced by the author, and all of a sudden you realize you had been pronouncing it "wrong" the entire time you were reading the book. i never liked that.

but overall i think it'sa strong season with some powerful emotions in it. even if there are 3-4 duds overall, which is still a lot in a 16 (17) episode season, it's not horrible either. especially given the gems of Ab Aeterno, Happily Ever After (or any Desmond episode, really) and The Last Recruit.

[ForeverAutumn]

Great article! Thanks for posting it.

[kexodusc]

Really liked the part about intentional ambiguitiy...I think that's the been the fundamental strength of the show and what makes it great. This leads to theories and ideas from the audience, you get that buy-in from the viewer, and in a way we all become co-writers of the Lost story. That's something else really.

I'm on record saying I hope they don't try to answer every question - no answer could satisfy all expectations, many set so impossibly high by the viewers who've chosen to invest so much into the show. I think it'd be neat to leave some doors open and give the Lost mythology some enduring immortality.

[Hyfi]

I may be way off, but I am sticking to my prediction from 3 years ago that at the end, they step off the plane in LA and the last 6 years were just in your head.

I don't see how they could actually come up with any feasible explanation as to why everything happened that could make any sense.

As said earlier, this season was rushed I guess mainly because the writers expected to have a few more seasons in which to mess with our minds. Then someone told them this is it, wrap it up the best you can.

In the end, none of it ever happened!

We shall see.

[Kam]

I may be way off, but I am sticking to my prediction from 3 years ago that at the end, they step off the plane in LA and the last 6 years were just in your head.

I don't see how they could actually come up with any feasible explanation as to why everything happened that could make any sense.

As said earlier, this season was rushed I guess mainly because the writers expected to have a few more seasons in which to mess with our minds. Then someone told them this is it, wrap it up the best you can.

In the end, none of it ever happened!

We shall see.

i thought it was after season 4 (?, maybe? or during season 3) that the producing team got the network to agree to the end date. from then, they knew they had 6 seasons and what the ultimate story arc was going to be. the most floundering was in that 3rd and 4th season before they knew when things would end so they could have an arc

[ForeverAutumn]

Yes. I believe it was in season three that the producers basically got down on their knees and begged for an end date so they wouldn't have to write any more foolishness like the totally irrelevant Nikki and Paulo storyline.

I'm holding on to my prediction that the show ends with Jack and Fake-Locke sitting on the beach just like Jacob and MIB did. Maybe they'll even be playing backgammon. :D

[Kam]

Yes. I believe it was in season three that the producers basically got down on their knees and begged for an end date so they wouldn't have to write any more foolishness like the totally irrelevant Nikki and Paulo storyline.

I'm holding on to my prediction that the show ends with Jack and Fake-Locke sitting on the beach just like Jacob and MIB did. Maybe they'll even be playing backgammon. :D

hey hey hey now, easy there tiger! it was not irrelevant... we learned that Hugo's dad liked to watch the show that nikki was on back in LA... that was very important. crucial some might say.

[GMichael]

This is how it will end.

Jack will be the new Jacob.
Sawyer will be the new Smokey.

[Worf101]

To paraphrase the last line of one of my fave Ray Bradbury short stories from the 50's.

"So what you gonna do with your Tuesday nights Ms. Autunn? Whatca gonna do?"

Worf

[ForeverAutumn]

To paraphrase the last line of one of my fave Ray Bradbury short stories from the 50's.

"So what you gonna do with your Tuesday nights Ms. Autunn? Whatca gonna do?"

Worf

I'll probably just get a poster of a shirtless Sawyer and spend my evenings staring dreamily at it.

[Hyfi]

I'll probably just get a poster of a shirtless Sawyer and spend my evenings staring dreamily at it.

Would you really enjoy that scruffy beard scratching your....never mind:ciappa:

[Worf101]

Would you really enjoy that scruffy beard scratching your....never mind:ciappa:
scratching her cheek as he gently cradled her in his bronzed, muscled arms.

There that's my good deed fer da day....

Worf

[GMichael]

Would you really enjoy that scruffy beard scratching your....never mind:ciappa:
Neck?

............

[ForeverAutumn]

scratching her cheek as he gently cradled her in his bronzed, muscled arms.

There that's my good deed fer da day....

Worf

Always a Gentleman. Thanks Worf. :)

[Worf101]

Always a Gentleman. Thanks Worf. :)
You're welcome, you've always shown yourself to be "one of the guys" but also a lady... so I treat you like a lady first. That's the way I was raised.

Worf

[GMichael]

You're welcome, you've always shown yourself to be "one of the guys" but also a lady... so I treat you like a lady first. That's the way I was raised.

Worf

Hey buddy... Psst... Come'ere..

You're making me look bad......

[ForeverAutumn]

I know that you didn't mean any harm GM, no big deal. It's Hyfi's fault for going there in the first place (I also know that he meant no harm). It's the price that I occasionally pay for being the only female in what sometimes feels like the men's locker room.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Tonight's episodes is called, "What they died for". Do you think we'll lose more Losties tonight?

What are the rest of you going to do on Tuesday nights?

[GMichael]

Did you at least enjoy all the pics I sent you?

More Losties must go. I'm thinking that Blonde must go. She's been like a red-shirt for the last several weeks.

Baseball on Tuesday nights...

[ForeverAutumn]

Yes. I loved the pictures! Sera is just a little ray of sunshine!

[ForeverAutumn]

Let's play a game. What do you think will be the final outcome for each remaining character? I'll go first...

Claire: Smokey shows his true evil by sacrificing Claire to further his goal in a way that would be akin to holding up your child to shield you from a bullet.

Kate: Ends up in a precarious situation where she must choose between Sawyer and Jack. During her moment of hesitation, a timeshift occurs where the earth opens up and swallows her whole. A quick decision would have taken her to one or the other side of where the earth opened up and saved her life.

Richard: Begs Hurley to kill him and put him out of his eternal misery. Hurley reluctantly obliges.

Hurley: As a result of offing Richard, Hurley takes his eternal place as protector of the island. But not before making contact with the people who have been sending the Dharma food and arranging for an eternal lifetime supply of Appolo bars. Eventually the guilt of killing Richard overtakes him and his emotional eating gets really out of hand. He eats enough Appolo bars to make him explode in a flurry of flying flesh that makes the destruction of the Black Rock and Four-toed Statue look like nothing more than the pop from a cherrybomb.

Jack: After realizing that he can’t fix everything and turn back the clock, Jack has a nervous breakdown. In the Sideways story he is admitted to the same psychiatric hospital as Libby where, together, they write this crazy story about a plane crashing on an Island and all this crazy **** happens that no one would ever believe. They transform the story to a screenplay and it is eventually purchased by George Lucas who turns it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Sawyer: After losing both Juliet and Kate, Sawyer vows to never love again. But then he catches Miles washing his hair in the ocean and realizes that all along he’s just been playing for the wrong team.

Ben: After realizing that his whole life’s work has been a sham and that Smokey used him to murder both Locke and Jacob, Ben uses the Donkey Wheel to get back to the real world where he becomes a Tibetan Monk and takes a vow of silence. He lives the remainder of his troubled life in total silence. Years later he succumbs to a fatal case of laryngitis. No one attends his funeral.

Okay, your turn!

[GMichael]

Let's play a game. What do you think will be the final outcome for each remaining character? I'll go first...
I must make jokes first. Then maybe I'll play.....


Claire: Smokey shows his true evil by sacrificing Claire to further his goal in a way that would be akin to holding up your child to shield you from a bullet.
Noooooooooooooo! NOT MY BABY! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
He could wash and brush her hair though. Yuck!


Kate: Ends up in a precarious situation where she must choose between Sawyer and Jack. During her moment of hesitation, a timeshift occurs where the earth opens up and swallows her whole. A quick decision would have taken her to one or the other side of where the earth opened up and saved her life.
A fitting end. I like it. But as she's falling, she calls out one of their names. Which one will it be.
?

Richard: Begs Hurley to kill him and put him out of his eternal misery. Hurley reluctantly obliges.

Hurley would never. Maybe he'll just drug him and put him in a rubber room.


Hurley: As a result of offing Richard, Hurley takes his eternal place as protector of the island. But not before making contact with the people who have been sending the Dharma food and arranging for an eternal lifetime supply of Appolo bars. Eventually the guilt of killing Richard overtakes him and his emotional eating gets really out of hand. He eats enough Appolo bars to make him explode in a flurry of flying flesh that makes the destruction of the Black Rock and Four-toed Statue look like nothing more than the pop from a cherrybomb.
Flashes from the movie The Meaning of Life flashed through my head here.


Jack: After realizing that he can’t fix everything and turn back the clock, Jack has a nervous breakdown. In the Sideways story he is admitted to the same psychiatric hospital as Libby where, together, they write this crazy story about a plane crashing on an Island and all this crazy **** happens that no one would ever believe. They transform the story to a screenplay and it is eventually purchased by George Lucas who turns it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Now who's being funny? Wasn't there a movie (or several movies) where everything a person wrote came true?


Sawyer: After losing both Juliet and Kate, Sawyer vows to never love again. But then he catches Miles washing his hair in the ocean and realizes that all along he’s just been playing for the wrong team.
Can that really happen? If he was on the wrong team, wouldn't he already know? Maybe he'll just experiment a little. A good switch hitter is hard to find.


Ben: After realizing that his whole life’s work has been a sham and that Smokey used him to murder both Locke and Jacob, Ben uses the Donkey Wheel to get back to the real world where he becomes a Tibetan Monk and takes a vow of silence. He lives the remainder of his troubled life in total silence. Years later he succumbs to a fatal case of laryngitis. No one attends his funeral.
This guy has got to be the toughest whimp I've ever seen. Will the real Ben please stand up?


Okay, your turn!
My turn is done. How'd I do?

[Kam]

i'm guessing either 4 or 6 characters die in tonight's episode.

they're setting it up to seem like jack will replace jacob, but i think having hurley replacing jacob would probably make the most interesting story, character-arc wise.

jack taking over for jacob would appear to be the most fate/destined outcome for his character. hurley taking over for jacob would require the strongest character shift to take that position of power, from his 'humble' beginnings of a crazy dude.

basically i'm rooting for the underdog here. and the better story. the guy who was meant to take over, taking over, isn't as interesting as the guy you never thought could lead, finally leading.

[Hyfi]

It's Hyfi's fault for going there in the first place

I would have asked the same question to a guy if he said:

"I'll probably just get a poster of a shirtless Sawyer and spend my evenings staring dreamily at it.":prrr:

[ForeverAutumn]

I must make jokes first. Then maybe I'll play.....
But of course. I expected nothing less from you.


Noooooooooooooo! NOT MY BABY! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
He could wash and brush her hair though. Yuck!
The dingo ate her baby.


A fitting end. I like it. But as she's falling, she calls out one of their names. Which one will it be.
?
Ben. They did have that romantic lunch by the ocean together, after all.


Hurley would never. Maybe he'll just drug him and put him in a rubber room.
I think he would if he thought it was for the greater good.


Flashes from the movie The Meaning of Life flashed through my head here.
I was actually going to do an edit to include a reference to that movie, but I couldn't be bothered.


Now who's being funny? Wasn't there a movie (or several movies) where everything a person wrote came true?
Dunno. Maybe.


Can that really happen? If he was on the wrong team, wouldn't he already know? Maybe he'll just experiment a little. A good switch hitter is hard to find.
Dunno. Maybe.


This guy has got to be the toughest whimp I've ever seen. Will the real Ben please stand up?
He's got to be the best TV Character ever too!


My turn is done. How'd I do?
Not bad. Not bad.

[ForeverAutumn]

i'm guessing either 4 or 6 characters die in tonight's episode.

they're setting it up to seem like jack will replace jacob, but i think having hurley replacing jacob would probably make the most interesting story, character-arc wise.


I totally agree that it's Hurley. Jack might be the most educated and the natural leader from the beginning. But Hurley has always been the most level headed and the voice of reason. Even Jack has learned to trust and respect him.

Everybody Loves Hugo. :wink5:

[ForeverAutumn]

Well Kam, we were way wrong. Jack wants to fix the island after all.

Best line of the night. Miles to Ben, "I lived here 30 years before you did. Otherwise known as last week".

The rest will take some time to digest. But great episode! Looks like we're back on track just in time for the end.

[Worf101]

That was special.

1. Jacob comes clean, states that he created Smokey when he smoked his twin brother.

2. Jack's volunteered BUT he's not gonna be the man...

3. Sawyer's gonna wind up sacrificing himself nobly to save the whole enchilada.

4. When Smokey/Lockes say's he "wants to leave the Island" does he mean die and be set free like Jacob is now? Or does he think they're gonna give is smokey butt a table at Latesse?

5. Ben is still Ben!

6. I admit I cheered when Whidmore and snookums got wasted BUT the viciousness of SmokeyLockes knife work surprised me.

7. Jack's so effin' noble I want to use his guts for garters.

8. Kept waiting for that knife to wind up in Ben's ribs!

9. So the finale is this Sunday or iis it just a wrap up show?

Worf

[ForeverAutumn]

6. I admit I cheered when Whidmore and snookums got wasted BUT the viciousness of SmokeyLockes knife work surprised me.
That was a great scene. "You told her not to talk to me and that made her pointless'. Put her death back on Widmore...spoken like a true villian. Nice. :yesnod:


8. Kept waiting for that knife to wind up in Ben's ribs!
Yeah. Me too.


9. So the finale is this Sunday or iis it just a wrap up show?
According to the ABC Website they are milking this for all that they can starting on Saturday night (the following times are stated in EST).

Saturday night,8:00 - 10:00: ABC is replaying the series pilot.

Sunday night, 7:00 - 9:00: The Final Journey - Reviewing the events of the series; past and present cast members discuss their experiences.

Sunday night, 9:00 - 11:30: The End (last episode EVER!).

Sunday night, 11:30 - 12:00: Local Programming (probably news)

Monday early morning, 12:00 - 1:00 - Jimmy Kimmel Live - Aloha to Lost.

[Groundbeef]

Good episode. I figured Jack would be Jacobs stand-in.

Still trying to work out the Locke/Jack dynamic on the alternate universe.

I'm also trying to work out Hurley's statement of "Hello Anna Lucia" and she says "Do I know you?". And Hurley says something like "Not yet". Kinda funny.

So I guess Alternate Hurley is working with Desmond on the Alternate timezone to get everything together?

And is Desmond going to see Danial play a concert with Kate?

And Ben is a bastard, but I did like him shooting Widmore. I didn't trust that guy either.

[GMichael]

7. Jack's so effin' noble I want to use his guts for garters.

Worf

Ding ding ding.

You win the award for the freakiest comment of the week here. Is this some kind of saying that I've never heard?

[Kam]

Well Kam, we were way wrong. Jack wants to fix the island after all.

Best line of the night. Miles to Ben, "I lived here 30 years before you did. Otherwise known as last week".

The rest will take some time to digest. But great episode! Looks like we're back on track just in time for the end.

not so fast! Jack said he'll do it, and drank to that weird ceremony, but i'm still hedging on Hurley being the last one standing. Especially because he said he was glad it wasn't him. Classic, and it seems like this should be a job for someone who doesn't want it. Just like jacob never wanted it, was never given the choice. even if he wants to give the Losties a choice to taking his place, i think jack's "choice" isn't going to last, and Hurley will be the man. That's my plan at least! And they have a few days to read this post, go back and reshoot the ending episode and put it all together by sunday in case it really is jack and they changed their minds.

[topspeed]

Jack is waaaaay too obvious a choice, and you know how the writer's always use the most direct route :rolleyes:. Jack will buy it taking down smokey (he'll find a way to drown Locke, it's the only way to stop him from turning into vapor) and either Hurley or Sawyer will become the caretaker.

When did Des become so aware of the parallel universe's? Did I miss that part? Why is he gathering all of the Losties?

BTW, watched a bit of Army of Darkness last night, Kam. Great quote!

[Groundbeef]

Desomond has always concious of his awareness of alternate universes particularly after the 'The Constant' episode with Penny.

After the episode about 4 weeks ago when Widmore subjected him to high doses of electromagnetic energy, he again realized how he could affect the lives of others in the 'alternate' place.

[Kam]

so my last ditch-go-for-broke-calling-it-one-more-time-until-i-think-of-something-else-before-sunday prediction is we'll end up with Ben replacing Smokey and Hurley replacing Jacob.

TOPS - hehe thanks! it's one of the more quotable movies i like to steal from often.

[Worf101]

Ding ding ding.

You win the award for the freakiest comment of the week here. Is this some kind of saying that I've never heard?
I heard it in an old movie which I can't remember, some villain was telling one of his minions that that would be his fate if he failed. I also heard it in basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood Missourii, or Fort Lost in the Woods Misery, Drill Sgt. Gamache (all 4 foot 5 of him) was using this a motivational speech for some poor boot.

Worf

[Hyfi]

Just caught last nights episode.

Couple questions.

Jacob never says how to stop smokey. What is the plan, sit at the light and tell him NO?
Why did Jacobs brother never have a name? Are they really just two sides of the same person?

So, now that it's almost over, name two characters that were not the main ones that you ended up really liking no matter what part they played or looks. Unless you said Anna Lucia....:hand:

My two are Miles Straume and Frank Lapidus.

Ken Leung has a mesmerizing way about him and is sometimes scary and sometimes outright funny. He grew on me immediately upon his arrival. I'm glad to see he is still alive for the moment.

Jeff Fahey just came off as such a happy go lucky guy with a great attitude. I liked his sinister grin and how he ended up fitting in. Loved is last words too...."Oh Hell"

[GMichael]

Just caught last nights episode.

Couple questions.

Jacob never says how to stop smokey. What is the plan, sit at the light and tell him NO?
Why did Jacobs brother never have a name? Are they really just two sides of the same person?

So, now that it's almost over, name two characters that were not the main ones that you ended up really liking no matter what part they played or looks. Unless you said Anna Lucia....:hand:

My two are Miles Straume and Frank Lapidus.

Ken Leung has a mesmerizing way about him and is sometimes scary and sometimes outright funny. He grew on me immediately upon his arrival. I'm glad to see he is still alive for the moment.

Jeff Fahey just came off as such a happy go lucky guy with a great attitude. I liked his sinister grin and how he ended up fitting in. Loved is last words too...."Oh Hell"


Nicky! Duh...

[GMichael]

I heard it in an old movie which I can't remember, some villain was telling one of his minions that that would be his fate if he failed. I also heard it in basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood Missourii, or Fort Lost in the Woods Misery, Drill Sgt. Gamache (all 4 foot 5 of him) was using this a motivational speech for some poor boot.

Worf
I guess I really do get to learn something new every day.

[ForeverAutumn]

So, now that it's almost over, name two characters that were not the main ones that you ended up really liking no matter what part they played or looks. Unless you said Anna Lucia....:hand:

My two are Miles Straume and Frank Lapidus.

Ken Leung has a mesmerizing way about him and is sometimes scary and sometimes outright funny. He grew on me immediately upon his arrival. I'm glad to see he is still alive for the moment.

Jeff Fahey just came off as such a happy go lucky guy with a great attitude. I liked his sinister grin and how he ended up fitting in. Loved is last words too...."Oh Hell"

I would choose Miles and Frank for the same reasons as you. Miles has a sarcastic wit that I just love. The conversations between him and Hurley while they were in Dharma together were just brilliant. Some of my favourite scenes.

Lapidus is just a roll-with-the-punches kind of guy and I love that. His line, "we're not going to Guam, are we?" and his obvious resignation to his fate is still among my favourite Lost moments.

[ForeverAutumn]

Letterman's Top 10 Lost Spoilers. Funny stuff...

http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/video/?pid=TlJNZ_pHyV203E7orCS_qXtxhydxDEFm&vs=Default&play=true

[Kam]

Letterman's Top 10 Lost Spoilers. Funny stuff...

http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/video/?pid=TlJNZ_pHyV203E7orCS_qXtxhydxDEFm&vs=Default&play=true

and yet another reason in under 5 seconds why Michael Emerson is just too damn good at what he does.

[Kam]

I'm on the Miles bandwagon too, he's been fantastic in his scenes.

And i really like Lapidus, but i think i'm gonna mix it up and go with Christian. I like the tragic figure he was, doomed by his own demons, many of which he passed on to his son.

[Groundbeef]

I liked Ecko, although I suppose one could say at a point in time he was a 'main'.

[Hyfi]

I liked Ecko, although I suppose one could say at a point in time he was a 'main'.

No, good pick as he was not an original or last thru all seasons. I liked Ecko also and wished he lasted longer.

[ForeverAutumn]

No, good pick as he was not an original or last thru all seasons. I liked Ecko also and wished he lasted longer.

I agree. Good pick. I liked Ecko too...forgot about him actually.

I read an article recently that said that Ecko was meant to be an important character through the whole series, but the actor wanted out of the show so they ended up having to kill him off.

The same article said that Ben was only supposed to be in four or five episodes, but the producers ended up liking the character so much and Emerson did such a great job that they ended up writing him in as a main character.

I wonder how the story would have been different if Ecko had stayed and Ben had only been in a few shows.

[GMichael]

Ecko would have killed Widmore.

[ForeverAutumn]

It was more fun to watch Ben do it!

[GMichael]

Ecko might have used his bare hands, or maybe chopped him up into tiny Widmore chum.

[Hyfi]

Poor Ben, I was just saying to a co-worker that more scenes than not, Ben's ass is being kicked or just was. He can really take a beating. They kicked his ass minutes after he arrived and have been doing so ever since. Great resilience for a little guy huh?

[ForeverAutumn]

Michael Emerson should do Timex commercials as Ben. He can take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. :D

BTW Hyfi, nice to see you hanging around here more again. :)

[Hyfi]

Michael Emerson should do Timex commercials as Ben. He can take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. :D

BTW Hyfi, nice to see you hanging around here more again. :)

I lurk a bunch. It's been a reasonable week at work so I am finding a little time to post.

[GMichael]

Michael Emerson should do Timex commercials as Ben. He can take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. :D



I'm not going to say it and you can't make me.:ihih:

[Kam]

another interesting article, as everyone begins to chime in on the Lost phenomenon and the state of network television after it:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/20/end.lost.next/index.html?hpt=C2

Also in the middle of that link is the top 15 most watched Series Finales.... any wagers on where the Lost Series Finale will place in that ranking?

(edit: with the next post reply we'll tie the Season 5 thread and have already passed the Season 4 thread. Season 2 and 3 threads are still the all time record holders for the FF board! Woo hoo!!)

[ForeverAutumn]

Well, this is it kids. It's been a great ride, let's see how it ends. :(

[thekid]

Wow...... is it me or did this ending have a "Lathe of Heaven" vibe to it.....

[Kam]

need to digest it some more, but i have to say that was just fantastic.

love that show. just... wonderful to end it with the shot that opened it. i loved that circularity.

[ForeverAutumn]

need to digest it some more, but i have to say that was just fantastic.

love that show. just... wonderful to end it with the shot that opened it. i loved that circularity.

I agree. I think that last week's episode started with Jack opening his eye again. Did you notice?

There were things I liked and things that I didn't. It certainly wasn't what I was expecting. But since I'm a sobbing, crying mess I think that overall I must have liked it. :skep:

[ForeverAutumn]

OMG! Sawyer is in Toronto???? I have to go and find him to tell him that he's my boyfriend!

[Kam]

I agree. I think that last week's episode started with Jack opening his eye again. Did you notice?

There were things I liked and things that I didn't. It certainly wasn't what I was expecting. But since I'm a sobbing, crying mess I think that overall I must have liked it. :skep:

Seriously, each 'reunion' really hit home and I got something in my eye each time, oddly enough. The sun-jin discovery was a good pow to the emotional guts.

[Worf101]

Is nobody else PeeOohhed about this series finale but me????

Hokay lemme get this straight....

1. Unanswered People:
Walt,
Ecko,
Diamond twins.
Hatch Guy.
One eye etc...
All the other Oceanic Passengers and the Losties.
Russeu, her daughter and the kids.
Jacob and Smokey's mom. Who the hell was she?

2. Unanswered Plot Lines:
Dharma initiative
Losties
Red shirt Planies
Walt
Hugo's reign
Whidmore
Penny
Jin and Sun's kid.
The Wheel and who the hell built it.
The Hatch,
The Light engine on the Island
The Balance of the world now that Smokey's gone, all light no dark?
The Temple the Sttatue and who the hell built it and why?

This and a thousand other red herrings thrown out and unanswered. Rather than make a overarching narrative that answers as least SOME of these questions we're instead treated to 2 hours of alternate universe wrap-up where everybody (well almost) gets who or what they want. With a teary eyed death to make everyone weep and wail! WTF!!!!???? What are Hugo and Desmond now, time traveling matchmakers? Everybody hug and sing Kummbaya as we drift into the light... Puhlease!!!!

I'm not saying I wasn't crying as Jack did his best James Cagney impression for longest death scene, but you had to bring in the dog too? You had to ring in "My Dog Skip" on the heartstrings too???? Have you no effin' shame???? Effective, but lazy. Was this all a dream, was it limbo, the fantasies of a dying man? Bobby Ewing in the shower??? WTF???? I"M PISSED!!!!!

Worf

[kexodusc]

Great ending. I'm not pissed off - I said last week I prefer the ambiguity rather than cleanly trying wrap up all the loose ends - the more you try wrap them up, the more follow up questions would emerge anyway.

Gonna have to watch it again to digest it all but overall I'm happy with how it went. Gonna miss this show...

So...when do we collectively start with Season 1 again? :D

[Kam]

Great ending. I'm not pissed off - I said last week I prefer the ambiguity rather than cleanly trying wrap up all the loose ends - the more you try wrap them up, the more follow up questions would emerge anyway.

Gonna have to watch it again to digest it all but overall I'm happy with how it went. Gonna miss this show...

So...when do we collectively start with Season 1 again? :D

well... it is the only season we haven't fully discussed on the board here! We started with Season 2!

I like the ambiguity on alot of the questions as well. i'm glad they answered most of the massive questions ala, what are the numbers, the island, the voices, the alternate timeline, who's jacob/smokey.

leaving the others open ended will always leave them up for debate as to what the viewer's interpretation of what happened is.

So i'll start with my answers, Worf!
1 - Walt - he's living in Chicago as a genius kid predicting the stock market and already a millionaire a few times over.
2 - ecko - he's another voice trapped on the island.
3 - diamond twins - who?
4 - hatch guy - you mean kevin? we learned about him, he was in iraq with sayid, and then got recruited with dharma to come work at the hatch. went bonkers and blew his brains out. (right?)
5 - one-eye - i forget.
6 - oceanic passengers and other losties - i say screw 'em. we didn't need to learn anymore about anyone not a Number. although was nice to wrap up rose and bernard.
7 - jacob's mom - i think that was the best one to leave unanswered because that's just gonna end up being a 'then who's her mom' and 'and then who's HER mom' and then 'and then whos the mom of HER' endless thing. so this way they just say, that's the mother of the island and leave it at that. no reason to go further back and explain her back story, because then there'd be another back story to go further back again.

[Kam]

not so fast! Jack said he'll do it, and drank to that weird ceremony, but i'm still hedging on Hurley being the last one standing. Especially because he said he was glad it wasn't him. Classic, and it seems like this should be a job for someone who doesn't want it. Just like jacob never wanted it, was never given the choice. even if he wants to give the Losties a choice to taking his place, i think jack's "choice" isn't going to last, and Hurley will be the man. That's my plan at least! And they have a few days to read this post, go back and reshoot the ending episode and put it all together by sunday in case it really is jack and they changed their minds. And then Jack is going to sacrifice himself so that Hurley takes over with Ben as his second in command, and then we find out that the alternate timeline was really where all the losties are already dead and are trying to find their peace with their past life, and then they all gather together and move on to the next phase of their existence, other than Ben, who stays outside because he still has some things to work on before he can let go. And then it ends with the last shot of Jack and his eye just like in the pilot episode, and Vincent the dog is there too. And as the credits roll, we'll see shots of the beach with the wreckage on it from the first season.

not that i want to say i told you so but... damn i nailed this one!!

[Groundbeef]

I thought it was good. Wife didn't like it at all. She wanted more answers.

I think in the end, this entire season was about Jack, and his death. The 'sideways' place as his dad said, is where they (the populace of the island) had agreed to meet when one of their group is passing.

Some had passed before, and others will be long after.

At least we learned that the Island itself was 'real' and that they had actually been there. I would have been pissed if the island was a dream.

Kinda fitting that we find Jack in the same way that we found him in the first episode.

It's too bad it's over. I would have liked some answers, but in the end I think it ended better than it could have. At least they were not all in jail.

[ForeverAutumn]

I'm okay with all the past questions that weren't answered. I'm willing to accept it as all just part of the journey that made this such a fun ride. We don't get all the answers we want in life and I'm okay with not getting all the answers here. I think that's what will make this such a great series for years to come....people will continue to discuss their theories and ideas. See you at the first Lost Convention...I'll be the one looking for the cutest guy in a Sawyer costume. ;)

Alright...here come the questions...

At the beginning of the season when the island was at the bottom of the ocean, was that from the nuclear blast or from all the stuff last night with Desmond, Jack and the big plug in the island?

What was the second Oceanic 815 flight that started the FSs? Were they all already dead?

Did they really get off the island the first time and go back?

Are we to assume then that the group that left the island in the plane at the end didn't make it home and they died en route?

How did Hurley and Ben get off the island? Is Ben alive? Is that why he wasn't ready to go into the church? Did Desmond finally kick the bucket? And what about Penny, she was still back in the "real world" with their son, wasn't she? So what was she doing in the church?

Did Jack really have a son? Locke yelled at him that he didn't. So who was David? Was he just a figment of Jack's dead imagination?

[Kam]

Alright...here come Kam's answers:

At the beginning of the season when the island was at the bottom of the ocean, was that from the nuclear blast or from all the stuff last night with Desmond, Jack and the big plug in the island?
-The Sideways timeline was the Purgatory (for lack of a better term) World where the Losties were finding out how to let go of their life and recconect with their friends etc. So the beginning of S6 was already in the Purgatory World. The nuclear explosion really didn't 'reset' the island or un-do anything. Other than wipe out Juliette.

What was the second Oceanic 815 flight that started the FSs? Were they all already dead?
-Lost me here, when was their a second 815?

Did they really get off the island the first time and go back?
-Yes. The Flash Forwards were the reality, along with Locke's death and all that storyline that linked back up together. The Oceanic6 did get off, and did get back on the island with Lapidus.

Are we to assume then that the group that left the island in the plane at the end didn't make it home and they died en route?
-No, I got from Christian's words to Jack that they all died "eventually" but not neccessarily when he did as time is different in Purgatory World, there is no "now" where they are. So while this is present time for Jack's death, everyone is there no matter when they died or are going to die in the future, as everyone dies eventually. So perhaps the AjiraAir5 got off the island, lived long lives, died, and then joined Jack in the Purgatory World.

How did Hurley and Ben get off the island? Is Ben alive? Is that why he wasn't ready to go into the church? Did Desmond finally kick the bucket? And what about Penny, she was still back in the "real world" with their son, wasn't she? So what was she doing in the church?
-Same as above. Penny dies eventually, as does Desmond, and then join the rest of the Losties in Purgatory World at the same time.

Did Jack really have a son? Locke yelled at him that he didn't. So who was David? Was he just a figment of Jack's dead imagination?
-I thought this was tricky, as in the Purgatory World, he had made a life with Juliette and their son, but i think when he touched the coffin, all of "reality" came crashing back home to him. and then he knew he was ready to 'move on' and let go of the Purgatory World construct he made up in his head to deal with it all.

[topspeed]

Loved this episode. I read an interesting article regarding how you kind of watch Lost two ways: 1) Analytically where you pour over blogs, screen shots, and threads at AR trying to solve the puzzles. 2) Emotionally where you strap in and go along for the ride. The Finale was definitely more skewed toward the emotional side with all of the reunions (I especially liked Sawyer and Juliette's) which to me was more like the pilot episode before the polar bears and smoke monsters started raising questions.

Some random thoughts:
* "Christian Shepherd? Really?" I never put 1+1 together on that name until Kate said that. While I don't think the show favored one religion over another, the basics of Christianity where you take care of others was certainly prevalent. What a fitting end with Christian opening the doors and walking hands out into the light.

* If Walt's dog made the finale, shouldn't Walt???

* Sayid and Shannon... Really?!? Agree with FA, it should have been Sayid and Nadia.

* Never realized how striking Charlotte was until this episode. It would have been nice to see Faraday and her at the end considering he's loved her for so long. Admittedly, Eloise's plea to not take him was touching.

Lost is the only show I really made sure to watch/Tivo. It feels a bit like a hangover as I process all of the info, kind of like when you come the last page of a great book and are bummed it's over. The brilliant characters will be missed.

[ForeverAutumn]

* Sayid and Shannon... Really?!? Agree with FA, it should have been Sayid and Nadia.

I don't recall saying that. But I agree with it.


* Never realized how striking Charlotte was until this episode. It would have been nice to see Faraday and her at the end considering he's loved her for so long. Admittedly, Eloise's plea to not take him was touching.

When Desmond said that he wouldn't take Daniel, I thought that the way he said it meant that Des wouldn't but Charlotte would. So I kept waiting for the big Daniel/Charlotte memory scene. But in hindsight, maybe Des is like an Angel of Death, so Eloise meant that she didn't want Faraday to die.

[ForeverAutumn]

Alright...here come Kam's answers:

What was the second Oceanic 815 flight that started the FSs? Were they all already dead?
-Lost me here, when was their a second 815?

I meant the season opener this year. When they are on the plane again and they land in LA this time.



Are we to assume then that the group that left the island in the plane at the end didn't make it home and they died en route?
-No, I got from Christian's words to Jack that they all died "eventually" but not neccessarily when he did as time is different in Purgatory World, there is no "now" where they are.

Thanks. I get that now.


Did Jack really have a son? Locke yelled at him that he didn't. So who was David? Was he just a figment of Jack's dead imagination?
-I thought this was tricky, as in the Purgatory World, he had made a life with Juliette and their son, but i think when he touched the coffin, all of "reality" came crashing back home to him. and then he knew he was ready to 'move on' and let go of the Purgatory World construct he made up in his head to deal with it all.

Don't you find it strange that in Jack's purgatory world he would be separated from Juliet instead of living happily ever after with her?

[Hyfi]

We don't get all the answers we want in life......

God answers all our questions. The answer is just usually NO!

[ForeverAutumn]

I've been giving this seasons Flash Sideways more thought.

If you think of the secondary characters that were important in the Sideways stories, they were all dead too. Locke's girlfriend, Locke's Dad, Alex, Danielle, Nadia, Sayid's brother certainly could have been dead, Keemy, Libby, Ana-Lucia. And we never saw people who were alive like Hurley's parents.

Face it...we were Sixth Sensed!

[topspeed]

If you haven't seen it already, Aloha to LOST with Jimmy Kimmel was hilarious! I couldn't stay up to watch it (damn I'm old!) so I Tivo'd it. Great show with some interesting insights and big laughs.

http://abc.go.com/watch/jimmy-kimmel-live/93521/262014/aloha-to-lost

[Kam]

I meant the season opener this year. When they are on the plane again and they land in LA this time.




Thanks. I get that now.



Don't you find it strange that in Jack's purgatory world he would be separated from Juliet instead of living happily ever after with her?

as i understood (i think) how the Purgatory World worked was this was the life they created out of their flawed selves, but at least a better version of that life. The one thing that was missing, was their 'true' realization of self, and how that self was connected to the Island.

For Sawyer, now he saw himself as a cop, the exact antithesis of what he really was, and yet still haunted by the past of his parents death.

For Kate, she was still a fugitive, but believed herself innocent. So still wracked with the guilt of what she had done.

For Hurley, now all his luck was fantastic, and he was using it to help people.

For Ben, he was a teacher now, helping children learn, yet still alone, without a family, searching for a daughter-figure to help again.

For Desmond, now his arch-nemesis had become his friend and employer, a camaraderie of arms between them to share the very drink that was flaunted at him in his real life. But, missing his love for Penny.

And for Jack, he built a life with Juliet, creating a child he could be a father figure for in place of his own father, but still needed closure with his father, landing in LA-X and yet... the casket is still missing. That missing piece from his life that he always had.

And for all of them, it was their loves that brought them back to their reality and the realization that that was all they needed to move on.

:)

At least, that's my story for now!

[GMichael]

All remaining questions will be answered when the movie comes out.

[ForeverAutumn]

God, how I loved this piece of music throughout the show...

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[ForeverAutumn]

This was posted on another forum that I visit, and was copied from another forum before that. It's supposedly written by one of the show's writers. Whether that's true or not, much of it makes a lot of sense. It's a long read though.

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MI that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

[Kam]

God, how I loved this piece of music throughout the show...

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the music was such a powerful character throughout the show. how this series didn't win more emmy's is beyond me.

[Kam]

This was posted on another forum that I visit, and was copied from another forum before that. It's supposedly written by one of the show's writers. Whether that's true or not, much of it makes a lot of sense. It's a long read though.

First ...
The Island:
...


That was fantastic. Got me a lil choked up just reading about the Purgatory World and their ideas behind it. Beautiful stuff!

It's my top tv show ever, that's for sure. :)

[ForeverAutumn]

So...when do we collectively start with Season 1 again? :D

I would be totally into rewatching it and continuing to discuss it. I plan on rewatching the whole show from start to finish now anyway. I'm hoping that it'll make more sense the second time around.

[kexodusc]

I would be totally into rewatching it and continuing to discuss it. I plan on rewatching the whole show from start to finish now anyway. I'm hoping that it'll make more sense the second time around.
That's the spirit!!!! I just rewatched the finale...read your post earlier with thoughts from the guy who worked for the show, it all seems to fit. Cool concept for an afterlife/purgatory experience.

I think knowing how it all unfolds will make for a different viewing experience. I've seen each season at least twice now. But I never get tired of going back. Can't wait for the Nikki and Pablo spin-off.

[ForeverAutumn]

It's Tuesday night at 9:00 and I can watch Glee, Dancing with the Stars, 90210, or The Biggest Loser. Life without Lost SUCKS!

[kexodusc]

the music was such a powerful character throughout the show. how this series didn't win more emmy's is beyond me.
I also dug the series music. My favorite theme was the Beach March tune (the one they play whenever they venture across the island). Imperial March got nothing on it...

[ForeverAutumn]

I think knowing how it all unfolds will make for a different viewing experience. I've seen each season at least twice now. But I never get tired of going back.

That's how I feel. Just like the clip of Jack, Hurley and Locke finding Adam and Eve in the show where we found out who Adam and Eve were, I think that there will be many moments like that now that we know how it all ends.

[kexodusc]

Oh yeah, Adam and Eve...I've forgotten some of the cool details already!

By the way, down in the cave with the light, there was skeleton that Desmond passed over as he was being lowered down. Was that Locke/Smokey, or someone else?

[ForeverAutumn]

Must have been someone else. The original Smokey's body was Adam. (how soon we forget). Also, I think that there were a couple of skeletons. I guess just to show that other's failed where Desmond succeeded.

[Kam]

Must have been someone else. The original Smokey's body was Adam. (how soon we forget). Also, I think that there were a couple of skeletons. I guess just to show that other's failed where Desmond succeeded.

i thought that too. and given the several hundred years that smokey and jacob had been fighting, there weren't too many 'candidates' for Smokey's side to send down to unplug the cork. looked like jacob had way more candidates.

I wonder if Faraday was a Smokey-Candidate too? he seemed to have the desmond-like quality of awareness through time apart from the island.

[ForeverAutumn]

i thought that too. and given the several hundred years that smokey and jacob had been fighting, there weren't too many 'candidates' for Smokey's side to send down to unplug the cork. looked like jacob had way more candidates.

I wonder if Faraday was a Smokey-Candidate too? he seemed to have the desmond-like quality of awareness through time apart from the island.

I suspect that after the first few Smokey candidates were fried by the electromagnetic force, it was hard to find new volunteers.

[Kam]

I suspect that after the first few Smokey candidates were fried by the electromagnetic force, it was hard to find new volunteers.

this made me picture a Gary Larson cartoon for some reason... seems like he could make a good one out of this.

[ForeverAutumn]

Oh, I can totally picture that. A group of cows bar-b-cuing a polar bear over the light in the pit of the island, with the caption...

After the first few Smokey candidates were fried by the electromagnetic force, it was hard to find new volunteers.

(I know the picture makes no sense nor does it connect to the caption, but it just sounds like an image that Larson would draw...he likes cows)

[Kam]

Oh, I can totally picture that. A group of cows bar-b-cuing a polar bear over the light in the pit of the island, with the caption...

After the first few Smokey candidates were fried by the electromagnetic force, it was hard to find new volunteers.

(I know the picture makes no sense nor does it connect to the caption, but it just sounds like an image that Larson would draw...he likes cows)

hahaha ... definitely a cow somewhere

actually Lost is tailor made for Far Side cartoon spoofing. Can picture so many...

[ForeverAutumn]

I think the cows should be wearing Dharma suits.

[Kam]

Stepping out of the sub, with other cows putting garlands around their necks...

[ForeverAutumn]

Oh yes! With two polar bears sitting on the sidelines eating from a box of Dharma Penguin Crackers. And one polar bear is saying to the other...

[Kam]

While looking at the little calf-version-of-ben-linus-wearing-glasses, and pointing...

[ForeverAutumn]

The one polar bear says to the other,

Something is about to be reVEALed.


Baby cow Ben, Lost, veal...get it?

[Kam]

That's so horrible it's hysterical.

:D

[ForeverAutumn]

Don't humour me. It only encourages me.

[Kam]

A bunch of Other-Cows are staring up at the statue of Anubis...

[ForeverAutumn]

there are flaming arrows in the air headed their way.

[Kam]

with a richard-alpert-cow-with-mascara-eyes standing off to one side with his mouth in shock

[ForeverAutumn]

and the caption reads...

[Kam]

"Where there's Smokey, there's fire."

[ForeverAutumn]

How long have you been waiting to use that one? :lol:

[Kam]

How long have you been waiting to use that one? :lol:

far too long!

I was going to go back to the first thread, the Season 2 thread on here and skim through to see what all of our thoughts were back when we were so young and innocent and far more prolific! The S2 and S3 threads are ginormous!

[ForeverAutumn]

Kam, read this. (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/things-i-noticed-end-by-vozzek69.html)

Scroll down until you reach, "Things I noticed" by Vozzek69. It's a great theory/summary of the show and finale.

[Kam]

Kam, read this. (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/things-i-noticed-end-by-vozzek69.html)

Scroll down until you reach, "Things I noticed" by Vozzek69. It's a great theory/summary of the show and finale.

that was a great read, pretty much on par with my thoughts on it all.

another thing i've loved about the show is every interview now with the team carlton/cuse is they keep saying how they did not want to dumb down the show, but trusted that their audience would aprpeciate a complex and rich and confusing storyline, and not that i'm ever one to say kudos to an executive, but kudos to whatever ABC execs let them do it without forcing a dumber version of the show down our throats, like nearly every other tv program out there.

next up on my watch is Super 8! i'm a total jj fanboy now for sure. and whatever carlton/cuse come up with next.

[Kam]

http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/top-five-lists/463157?a=topview

List of top 5 Hurley Moments, and there've been quite a lot of them.

One not on there that sticks out is when Hurley throws the twinkie at Ben in defense.

And apparently lots of new Lost footage to be released on the upcoming DVD's including a Hurley-Ben episode-12 minute segment-thing!

[ForeverAutumn]

Hey, I missed your post Kam. I'll check the link when I get home.

I just pulled up the thread to remind everyone that Season 6 and the special box set of the whole series comes out on DVD and Blu Ray tomorrow, August 24. :D

[Kam]

Hey, I missed your post Kam. I'll check the link when I get home.

I just pulled up the thread to remind everyone that Season 6 and the special box set of the whole series comes out on DVD and Blu Ray tomorrow, August 24. :D

and best buy has a special dvd included in their season 6. has all sorts of goodies on it, i'm curious to see the hurley-ben segment.

[ForeverAutumn]

Awesome! Best Buy sent me an email that they'll give me 800 bonus points if I get the DVD or BD there. That's worth a $10 coupon. So I get ten bucks and a bonus disk! Happy Tuesday to me!!!

[kexodusc]

I ordered my BluRays from Amazon...got a shipped notice...should have it for the weekend. I'm gonna need to take time of work to get through Seasons 1-5 by then.

So when do we start the re-watch thread? :)

[ForeverAutumn]

I'm ready when you are Kex. :) I was going to start rewatching this summer but I just haven't had time. Plus...I think I needed some time to let it all sink in before I start over. I'm ready now.

[kexodusc]

I'm ready when you are Kex. :) I was going to start rewatching this summer but I just haven't had time. Plus...I think I needed some time to let it all sink in before I start over. I'm ready now.
That's the spirit...ok...should we have some rules? How many episodes per week? What day do we report back in the thread, Tuesday or Wednesday?

[ForeverAutumn]

and best buy has a special dvd included in their season 6. has all sorts of goodies on it, i'm curious to see the hurley-ben segment.

Hey Kam, do you know how many disks are in the Best Buy set? Bestbuy.com doesn't say. What it does say is that it is a BB exclusive. But the Canadian site doesn't say that. I'm wondering if I should order from the US site?


That's the spirit...ok...should we have some rules? How many episodes per week? What day do we report back in the thread, Tuesday or Wednesday?

Good questions. I think that two episodes a week, at least, would be okay to start. They're only 42 minutes each w/o commercials and trailers. If we find that we want to increase it, we can. Once I start watching, it might be hard to stop at just two.

Why don't we make Wednesday the reporting day. That way if someone is too busy to watch on the weekend, they'll have Monday and Tuesday to catch up.

[kexodusc]

Good questions. I think that two episodes a week, at least, would be okay to start. They're only 42 minutes each w/o commercials and trailers. If we find that we want to increase it, we can. Once I start watching, it might be hard to stop at just two.

Why don't we make Wednesday the reporting day. That way if someone is too busy to watch on the weekend, they'll have Monday and Tuesday to catch up.
Wednesday works...Yep, 2 episodes is a good start. Gotta warn you, it could get tough...I've burned through the seasons in about a week or so in the past.

Kam, you in?

[ForeverAutumn]

Wednesday works...Yep, 2 episodes is a good start. Gotta warn you, it could get tough...I've burned through the seasons in about a week or so in the past.

Kam, you in?

I've done the same. If I have a free Sunday, I can watch all day. But I expect to be a little busier this winter. I haven't decided yet if I'm curling this year. If not, I can watch a few episodes on Sunday when Hubby is at the rink.

Let's start with two, but if we find that we want to speed ahead we can increase it.

[kexodusc]

I've done the same. If I have a free Sunday, I can watch all day. But I expect to be a little busier this winter. I haven't decided yet if I'm curling this year. If not, I can watch a few episodes on Sunday when Hubby is at the rink.

Let's start with two, but if we find that we want to speed ahead we can increase it.
Sounds good to me. Can we start this Wednesday?

FYI, Amazon.ca has a promo on if you buy another season with season 6 you can save $20 on DVD, and $25 on BluRay...I broke down and got Season 1.

[ForeverAutumn]

I don't think I can watch before Wednesday. I don't have time to watch two episodes tonight and I'm not home tomorrow night. How about we start next Wednesday. That'll give us time to see if anyone else is interested also.

Interesting deal at Amazon. But I have all the seasons. I can't really justify replacing my DVDs with BR right now.

[kexodusc]

I don't think I can watch before Wednesday. I don't have time to watch two episodes tonight and I'm not home tomorrow night. How about we start next Wednesday. That'll give us time to see if anyone else is interested also.

Interesting deal at Amazon. But I have all the seasons. I can't really justify replacing my DVDs with BR right now.
Yeah, ok...I predict the re-watch thread will rival the originals in post count and theoretical mind-blowery :shocked:

[ForeverAutumn]

Ok. So that will be the Series pilot up for discussion next Wednesday. We never actually discussed S1 here. The Lost threads started with S2. Should be interesting.

[kexodusc]

Ok. So that will be the Series pilot up for discussion next Wednesday. We never actually discussed S1 here. The Lost threads started with S2. Should be interesting.
Really? I think I came on half way through season 2...I watched the pilot at a friend's place then went home and downloaded all the episodes I missed right up to around where they met Henry Gale....oops...don't want to spoil it...

[Kam]

woo hoo! sounds good, count me in!

should we start a new thread or just add it on to this one?

[Kam]

Hey Kam, do you know how many disks are in the Best Buy set? Bestbuy.com doesn't say. What it does say is that it is a BB exclusive. But the Canadian site doesn't say that. I'm wondering if I should order from the US site?



Good questions. I think that two episodes a week, at least, would be okay to start. They're only 42 minutes each w/o commercials and trailers. If we find that we want to increase it, we can. Once I start watching, it might be hard to stop at just two.

Why don't we make Wednesday the reporting day. That way if someone is too busy to watch on the weekend, they'll have Monday and Tuesday to catch up.

i'm picking up my S6 set either today or tom and will check and let ya know!

[ForeverAutumn]

woo hoo! sounds good, count me in!

should we start a new thread or just add it on to this one?

New. We've never had an S1 thread.

[kexodusc]

New. We've never had an S1 thread.
Yeah, this calls for its own new Kam-original thread title...

[GMichael]

You guys do know that everyone dies at the end, right?

[kexodusc]

You guys do know that everyone dies at the end, right?
Shhh! No spoilers. With this show, I wouldn't be surprised if the ending changes. :eek:

[Kam]

Yeah, this calls for its own new Kam-original thread title...

hmm... will have to think up a good one...

[ForeverAutumn]

There are a bunch of guys over at Progressive Ears who I talked Lost with last season. Does anyone mind if I invite them to play with us? I'm not sure that they will, but a couple of them were real die-hards.

[Kam]

There are a bunch of guys over at Progressive Ears who I talked Lost with last season. Does anyone mind if I invite them to play with us? I'm not sure that they will, but a couple of them were real die-hards.

absolutely! especially if we're gonna make a run for the S2 and S3 thread records!

[kexodusc]

There are a bunch of guys over at Progressive Ears who I talked Lost with last season. Does anyone mind if I invite them to play with us? I'm not sure that they will, but a couple of them were real die-hards.
Bring'em over...Progressive Ears? What is that?

[ForeverAutumn]

It's a discussion board for Proggers. www.progressiveears.com. If you think this place is disfunctional and cliquey, you should hang out there for a while. :rolleyes: But the music recs can be good, if you're into that sort of thing.

[Kam]

so i picked up the bluray of S6 and checked out the packaging on the Best By Silver Special one, it has a bonus DVD wrapped in the packaging, with a bunch of behind the scenes and interviews as an 'exclusive to best buy'
i looked over the bluray and those specials don't look like they're on it, BUT it does have the "New Man in Charge" mini episode/epilogue with Hurley and Ben! Woo hoo!

I might have to save that till the end of the S1 discussion to see how it resonates.

[ForeverAutumn]

That makes me happy. I don't care about the behind the scene and interview stuff so much. Great if I can get it here, I won't be devastated if I can't. BUT...I'm definately hitting BB tonight or tomorrow to get that New Man In Charge clip. :yesnod:

[kexodusc]

I can't decide if I should watch S6 right away or wait until we get to it in the re-watch thread...

By the way everyone, what was your favorite season? I liked them all and not a single one sucked..just varying degrees of awesome for me, but if I had to rank I think it'd go:

1) S5 - For the sheer mind f*ckery - back to the island...Sawyer and Myles work as security were priceless.
2) S1 - Started it all.
3) S4 - Still an awesome season, just not my fav. But it had the best episode - "The Constant" where Penny and Des hooked up again after all the time bouncin'. Musta caught somethin' in my eye...snifff...
4) S6 - strong finish, but until I knew where the alternate time-line was going that sub-plot of S6 kinda bored me, it'll be interesting to see it again after a complete show re-watch. The Jacob/brother stuff was captivating - did we ever find out Smokey's real name?
5) S2 - excellent plot development - the Hatch and Ben made the season - though some of the backstories of Ana Lucia and Eko are a drag later on and seem less relevant than first watch.
6) S3 - The Others revealed - This one was awesome and not awesome at the same time - the writer's strike killed some momentum and I think it had the Nikki and Paulo episode...but it totally recovered at the end - "Not Penny's Boat"...even a bad Lost season is awesome...

I haven't seen some in a few years, I wonder if my thoughts will change knowing how it ends?

[ForeverAutumn]

So I just watched The New Man In Charge and all I can say is Bloody Effin Brilliant!!!! Lots of questions answered in only 12 minutes and, IMO, is the REAL ending to the show. If this had been the final episode shown on TV after the "everyone is dead" episode, I think that there would have been a lot fewer disappointed fans. People who never see this will be missing out on something.

If you have season 6 on DVD/BD watch this mini-episode. Don't wait. It gave me chills and restored my faith.

[Kam]

So I just watched The New Man In Charge and all I can say is Bloody Effin Brilliant!!!! Lots of questions answered in only 12 minutes and, IMO, is the REAL ending to the show. If this had been the final episode shown on TV after the "everyone is dead" episode, I think that there would have been a lot fewer disappointed fans. People who never see this will be missing out on something.

If you have season 6 on DVD/BD watch this mini-episode. Don't wait. It gave me chills and restored my faith.

dagnabbit... i was going to wait till the end (again) but not i definitely can't!

[ForeverAutumn]

dagnabbit... i was going to wait till the end (again) but not i definitely can't!

It's up to you. I won't give anything away if you choose not to watch it.

[Kam]

It's up to you. I won't give anything away if you choose not to watch it.

well after that endorsement i won't be able to keep away from it tonight! :D

started watching the Pilot... seeing Jack's eye opening got a lil sumpin' in my eye...

[ForeverAutumn]

I can't decide if I should watch S6 right away or wait until we get to it in the re-watch thread...

By the way everyone, what was your favorite season? I liked them all and not a single one sucked..just varying degrees of awesome for me, but if I had to rank I think it'd go:

1) S5 - For the sheer mind f*ckery - back to the island...Sawyer and Myles work as security were priceless.
2) S1 - Started it all.
3) S4 - Still an awesome season, just not my fav. But it had the best episode - "The Constant" where Penny and Des hooked up again after all the time bouncin'. Musta caught somethin' in my eye...snifff...
4) S6 - strong finish, but until I knew where the alternate time-line was going that sub-plot of S6 kinda bored me, it'll be interesting to see it again after a complete show re-watch. The Jacob/brother stuff was captivating - did we ever find out Smokey's real name?
5) S2 - excellent plot development - the Hatch and Ben made the season - though some of the backstories of Ana Lucia and Eko are a drag later on and seem less relevant than first watch.
6) S3 - The Others revealed - This one was awesome and not awesome at the same time - the writer's strike killed some momentum and I think it had the Nikki and Paulo episode...but it totally recovered at the end - "Not Penny's Boat"...even a bad Lost season is awesome...

I haven't seen some in a few years, I wonder if my thoughts will change knowing how it ends?

Season two has always been my favourite. Here are my reasons:

1. The opening scene with Desmond waking up and going about his day only for us to find out that he's actually in the hatch! Best WTF moment of the entire run IMO.

2. Micheal Emerson as Henry Gale. I just love, love, love the mind-**** control he has over Locke. And then the way he exploits Walt to get Michael to do his dirty work. :eek:

3. The story of the Tailies and their run-ins with The Others. Now we know that the indiginous people of the island are evil. What a set-up for the opening scene of Season three when we see them in Othersville living normal lives.

4. The reunion of Rose and Bernard is still, for me, one of the most touching moments of the whole show.

[ForeverAutumn]

well after that endorsement i won't be able to keep away from it tonight! :D

Good! Then we can discuss it! :)


started watching the Pilot... seeing Jack's eye opening got a lil sumpin' in my eye...

I know exactly what you mean. I watched it yesterday morning and it was like going home again. It just felt so good to be watching Lost. It's a sickness.

I was thinking that it would be fun to watch both scenes on Oceanic 815 from Season's one and six and doing a comparison. But I wonder if that would be carrying things just a bit too far. LOL!

[kexodusc]

Season two has always been my favourite. Here are my reasons:

1. The opening scene with Desmond waking up and going about his day only for us to find out that he's actually in the hatch! Best WTF moment of the entire run IMO.

2. Micheal Emerson as Henry Gale. I just love, love, love the mind-**** control he has over Locke. And then the way he exploits Walt to get Michael to do his dirty work. :eek:

3. The story of the Tailies and their run-ins with The Others. Now we know that the indiginous people of the island are evil. What a set-up for the opening scene of Season three when we see them in Othersville living normal lives.

4. The reunion of Rose and Bernard is still, for me, one of the most touching moments of the whole show.

Can't argue with that...I really need to watch all these again so I can remember all the holy **** moments.

I also watched "The New Man In Charge". You're right, that could have and should have made the last episode...