Small but perfectly formed JBL home cinema

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Well what have I, been up to over these past 18 months.

Well a new home and a pet cat called Sooty.

It took a while to partly get the flat sorted out and its still in slow process at decorating.

New kitchen new bathroom…so what about the entertainment living room!

Well I’ll post the past doings up to the present its going to be a long thread!!!http://forums.audioreview.com/images/icons/icon10.gif




Small but perfectly formed.




The new JBL home cinema


After trying two rooms for the JBL home cinema I found the one with the longest length to be a troublesome type and so I have settled on a smaller room.


One was the (chimney breast) that stuck out mid way in the room, by (18” depth) by (61” width), so I decided to abandon the room with the 15 foot length and go with a more easier room that will still need a few basic modifications done to it.

Flooring

I plan to make a secondary floor for the (JBL home cinema) to help with vibrations from LCR surrounds, sub bass extension and LFE.1.

Bass is fairly neutral due to the concrete flooring I guess, less (boom), just a natural sounding tone, unlike the last place, where it was a bit bass heavy at the back.

What you see here is only temporarily, this will nether be placed at the back of room around summertime, when I have the budget to buy a few professional 19” racks, Samson, studio racks.

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Room’s dimensions are

Length 11 feet10”

Width 10 feet 9”

Height 7 feet 7”

Yeah that’s small and I plan to shorten the height by has much as (2 ½ inches) with (2x2 timbre) and (15mm MDF or other) for the top part of the flooring. It shouldn’t cost no more than £80.00 the MDF will be the costly part of the material but not as much as the timbre beams as I only need around 6 or 7 spaced out evenly, over its length.

JBL control 1 fall in stand to attention!

Here’s my surround arsenal of battle troops ready to provide all the trills and spills on the surround channels.

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JBL control 5 I must say sound better in a room with concrete flooring, this helps to eliminate rattles and buzzing sounds! Not to mention sub bass and LFE.1 frequencies.

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Its kinder difficult to get a wide angle of the front because of the field of depth, the camera can only see what it can see, I can get very tight angles, but the sides are cropped off a bit.

Rubber matting

Now this would be great to place underneath the (timbre beams) or more rather the timber beams placed on top to add a little extra isolation.

Door

Door to the JBL home cinema room, will hath to be switched around to opened in the opposite direction, due to the raised flooring.

Platform

Horizontal platform for the front loudspeakers LCR will be placed 1” above the TV monitor and angled downwards, the length of the platform will extend the room’s width, depth of the platform will be the same as the JBL 4645 sub 18” to keep it flush.

Surrounds?

That is the question, what am I to do with 10 JBL control 1, now I can still place these on the sidewalls and rear wall and a few on the ceiling. I’m thinking I can set:

x2 for sidewall
x2 for centre back surround
x4 for height surround when available

And that’s pushing it, not quite to the original plan as I hoped and planed for, which was x16 I think?

Anyway all this, will be done over the course of the summertime no rush and there is a slim budget, as I have to mange other priorities that kinder remain on the top, but there will be a slow transformation.

Window

There’s only one in the JBL home cinema that will be blocked up with two layers of MDF cut to size. First off I’ll place a window blind in front, to give the illusion on the outside that I have the blinds closed for privacy, which isn’t far from the truth.

First layer of MDF will have a small bit of timber placed around the outside, then attached to the (window frame) securely. Next I’ll place a thin layer of (rock wool) inside it securely. Last off the second layer of MDF will be screwed to the other piece. This should reduce the traffic noise, as too what sound pressure level I have no data on this as for now, I’ll hath to wait until I get around to doing it.

I’ll take RTA readings with SPL db level metre, for a few hours note the average and the install the frame, after which I can take more readings and see if there’s been a reduced noise level, as the traffic around here is noisy during the night. Also there’s an airport nearby, Hurn international, with a few jets taking off and approaching as well.

The roof, now there’s nothing I can do about the roof, I think its (sound) so there’s no need to look that, unless I can hear (heavy rainfall) but since I’ve been here, I haven’t noticed it, with the past rainfall.

Additional absorption DIY

(Bass tarps) is out of the question, by the time I’ve stuck those in the room, I won’t have room to swing a cat around! So adsorption panels placed on the wall surfaces will suffice to add further adsorption.

(Rock wool) will be used for the panels, a soft layer placed onto a thin layer of MDF along with a (colourful fabric) for cosmetic appearance.

Interior decorative lighting system

Neon lighting will be the theme a basic red green and blue placed around the room in a hoarse shoe configuration that will be concealed near to the ceilings curve.

This will have a computerized controller when turned on will cycle though a sequence, on delay, dimming one colour and fading in the next colour, and so on.

12 volt neon is the simplest, the same type that is used for cars.

I don’t even have a seat to sit on, I’m sat here typing, sat on a JBL HT-1F and two pillows and my backside fills buggered LOL

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Some projects didn’t quite take off as planned due to finances but there’s always another day to try.


I’ve placed a Blue Neon light behind the sofa for chilling cool colour, in the mean time.

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LOL I guess Kevin O’Connell knows how to apply the right amount of low end to, buzz the audience. This had me starching my head for a few minutes? I was looking at the right-hand side JBL control 5 while the sub bass extension was extending the low end from LCRS. The tone was down at around 40Hz.

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The JBL control 5 wasn’t at fault, so where in the hell is coming from? I then muted all directional channels and LFE.1 leaving only the sub bass extension playing the low end from LCRS, and I could still hear this elusive buzzing sound, now this starting to get personal.

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After standing back and looking at the front, I then twigged onto where it was coming from, the (vent). As I approached it and while playing back the same sequence, over and over again, I placed my finger on the plastic vent cover, and like magic it disappeared.

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Well now all I need is something to place between the vent flaps to prevent the moving parts vibrating or buzzing. I cut a small piece of cardboard and folded it, and then placed it between one of the vent gaps, and then played the scene over again.

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Sigh, well that’s more like it yeah. So you just never can tell what is vibrating or buzzing In that special JBL room of yours and a little quick thinking can solve it in the simplest of ways. Now starman can hum and rumble without the buzzing.

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I was kinder thinking about the surround issue this afternoon on where to place all those JBL control 1 surrounds? I’m kinder feeling adventurous this evening and thou I’d like to go with plan A and place them along the wall surfaces, that option is still widely open.

I’m thinking I can still buy a few more JBL control 1 later on and place them on the side and rear wall. Combination and configuration layout of the surrounds can be as follows.

Option 1 Three on each side with four placed on the back part of the ceiling area.
Option 2 four on each side with two placed on the back part of ceiling area.

How will it sound in relation to the film, as some sound images hath to make sense. It wouldn’t make sense to me if I heard the Anakin Skywalker’s lightsaber coming from slightly above me from the centre back, would it?

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Okay since I haven’t played that film here as of yet, I’ll play the sound bite moment in sort jiffy, and see where I stand with surround placement and with a stroke of wit and luck, I might be able to get them fitted to the ceiling before the clock strikes 12, otherwise I’ll turn into a pumpkin.

Just kidding rushing results in injurers occurring, and I need to take this a step at a time, otherwise, I might end back up where I started from.

I’ll place one on the back part of the ceiling to start with and note the differences with Star Wars episode 2 Attack of the Clones.

Water sprinkler effect! There’s another cool film that has some good film mixing, Hollowman where the sound starts off at centre front then moves outwards with nice centre back moment that gets the attention! Water is trickling all around you with droplets of water landing on the solid floors in the underground facility.

Let’s go to work
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Here is an update as you can see that is one JBL control 1 so far fitted to the back part of the ceiling area, I’ve marked out where I want them on the back part with masking tape and using a blue pencil, to outline the JBL speaker support fitting, and the holes for the screws.

Now once I’ve gotten them all fitted which should be sometime very late. Also I have some (cable ducting) not sure if can get the cables concealed within it, by to night, but I’ll cut some up and use liquid nails to attach it to the ceiling, and corners.

I must say it does kinder work, as you can see; I’m kinder looking back, while one eye still focusing on the front screen action. I’ve only got the surrounds playing at the present time, with Star Wars episode 2 Attack of the Clones, while all the LCR and .1 are in mute mode.

Anyway back to the JBL control 1 surrounds installation.

Well I need to take a slight break due to heath, wares my arms out it does, gravity is a ***** on the arms, but it feels good. Who knows I might even sweat a few ounces of my bodyweight.

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As you can see there are now three JBL control 1 fitted, so far so good on the sound, as I mellow with Star Wars episode 2 Attack of Clones. Note the two (centre back surrounds) and the first (left side ceiling surround) I only have 7 more to fit.

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Oh, there's just one other thing.

I was jumping ahead of myself with the cable, wow I’m sweating on the back of the head here. I meant to say, the racks that I’ll be buying around summertime, or maybe sooner, summer the very least, well if the racks are going at the back, then I’d hath to fit the cable ducting last.

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Two angles showing the surround view and it does kinder look unsightly, even I can admit to that. Looks like an interior decorating issue for a later date, with the light turned off I hardly notice it.

How does it sound so far? I ran a pink noise test to confirm that the tone was equal, via the Pioneer VSP-200 a few adjustments on the Marantz 1030 with a slight increase on volume.

All the surrounds are (wired in series) I’ll fit the last two up in the daytime, because now I’m shattered and need some sleep, it took around 1 hour to fit two surrounds at a time, I’ve viewed over a few best sound moments updates on how that sounded later on.

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Well its all about trial and error so if I can fork out for an electric drill next week, I’m get some timber to place over the (rear and sidewalls) to easily fit the speaker brackets, rather then drilling 40 holes in the walls, I can get around this with three holes max per sidewall and four on the back wall to hold small thin piece of timber.

Horizontal placement would give me the maximum head turning affect that I’m looking for. Where they are at present is all wrong, and like I said its trial and error. However it worked in the cinema at UCI, maybe not to the fullest for stereo surround films, I remember Jurassic park in dts was major disappointment, because all that was done at the time was re-plugging of the surrounds, that have been used for monaural effects with Dolby stereo A and SR type soundtracks.

Later they fitted a new batch of surrounds, to the sidewalls and rear wall.

Anyway I plan to fit the surround fixing bracket at height of 67” and then angle the surrounds downwards.

So in the worlds of the Blues Brothers…http://forums.audioreview.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Well in the past 20 minutes I’ve removed the side JBL control 1 and I’ll stick them close to the sidewalls along with the centre back surround directional channels, until I get a sodden drill.

I must say I hate heights, I’m terrified of heights, standing a stool that slightly wobbles scares me to bits.

Oh well that’s 5 hours wasted last night that I won’t get back LOL.

I’ve got The X-Files fight the future (1999) playing at the moment as soon as I get the last two JBL control 1 down I’ll try a new experiment, just for temporary use that is, until I get a sodden drill.

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Brought an electrical drill this morning from Wilkinson’s and a few pieces of 2x1 from Columbia timber yard.

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Has you can see I’ve drilled and filled the hole with liquid nails and tapped in the wall plug, by around tomorrow the liquid nails would have hardened.

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Screwed up and secured. Well that’s the back part done, I’ve got two sides to do next, and oh that’s going to be fun.

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One JBL control 1 fitted. The wooden beam makes it easier to place the mounting bracket to the wood, rather than drilling dozens of holes into the wall.

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Tightening up the nut, then it will be fitted to the mounting bracket and secularly tightened up.

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Yes I plan to hind the loudspeaker cable in some cable ducting that I’ll place above the wooden beam. Anyway I’ve got two more to do this afternoon and I’m very limited on screws for the wooden beam, but not for mounting the JBL control 1, plenty of that size to go around.

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Due to one of the sidewalls I’ve had to put of the final assembly of the JBL Control 1 surrounds to the left-hand-sidewall till tomorrow morning when I can re-drill new holes.

The rear wall and right-hand-sidewall is okay, all was going smoothly and I was egger to drill new holes around 5:30pm this evening, but I thought I’d delay it till the morning.

More pictures to follow tomorrow.

I’m also thinking about getting long board for the front LCR, a platform that will allow the JBL control 5 to sit on. This will reduce close contact vibration with the TV with centre channel, and even thou the TV is sitting on top of the mighty huge JBL sub, colour remains intact, due to the large magnet structure, stock of luck I would say.

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I couldn’t resist taken a few pictures, I’ve just fixed the JBL Control 1 right-hand-sidewall surrounds only moments ago.

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This phase of sidewall and rear wall installation is now complete and I like it. Next is to attach the cable ducting to tidy up the loudspeaker cables that powers the surrounds.

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Since the idea or concept is still going to be “small” and since I started a comment in the room mode calculations thread, I thought I’d post the images here. Now you can see I have a (chimney breast) its 61” wide or 5 feet 1” if that helps. Now you can see a window on the side wall, that’s got to be blocked off with MDF.

You can also see the gap where the (chimney breast) ends. Now that needs to be addressed with some timber and MDF to make it one whole length. This now narrows the width of the middle part of the room by 8 feet 11” or 107” if that helps.

The back part of the room I wont touch I’ll leave it open has is, it’s the main front area with the matching JBL control 5 LCR that worries me, because of the opening at the front.

But surly the bass at the back of the room along with a few mid range and few high frequencies might have issues, but no worse than some cinemas that’ I’ve seen where there is a slight odd shape in one or two parts of it.

I want to get this done right given the slim poor man’s budget I’m on, even if this takes a year, I want to get the shape done right, or near within small degree.

Note the main window, now that really needs to be blocked up with a few layers of MDF to reduced as much audible traffic sound and other sound from the outside. I don’t care the window needs to be blocked.

First I’ll stick window blinds on the inside to give it the impression I’ve got the window blinds closed. Then layer it with MDF to reduce the sound level, as much as possible.

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Matters have now increased to critical; I don’t know how to get around the left-hand-sidewall, which has the JBL control 1 surround placement. I’ve noticed if I where to place a JBL control 1 towards the or near the door, and no the door isn’t the issue, it’s the distance between the chimney breast, and the 18 ½ in slight depth.

Now I’d ether hath to power the JBL control 1 on the left-hand-sidewall with a stereo amplifier, rather then using it the other way around this way I can EQ the differences between the one that sticks out slight and the one that doesn’t.

That now means I’d have to buy at least 4 more Alesis RA300 and one RA500 for sub bass. Oh this is going to be slow very slow, I doubt this will be finished till next year??

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Got it I’ve been keeping my mind active tonight, and I’ve hatched out this idea around the door entrance.

By placing some timbre to the walls and extending a short length across the door area, with MDF maybe something different to make it look as if its part of the room.

Rack placement everything except the amplifiers, those will be placed in the bedroom.

So I’ll might be able to fit a professional rack 19”, you know one of those Samson racks, into the space and with the flush look should look neat, hopefully.


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Still pending on buy the racks at the present time!

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Well, well my, my, my this took a bit of searching around this morning a few miss and hits and then I was pointed into the direction of [Studio Spares] UK where they have different framing.

I’ve ordered x2 24U framing and nuts screws and washes and plastic washers to isolate it from the framing. That should do it now, but I still need to get timbre and [MDF sheet a thin type] to place around the whole assembly to give it a flash and pucker look.

24U framing L rack
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Still in the middle of deal with some cinema seats that where going to tossed into the skip but deal hasn’t gone though yet.

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24U Racking plate framing

Well its turned up but I think I need two more of the same for the back don’t I, providing of course I want to use rack trays that slide outwards. I’ve been viewing the studio spares catalogue that arrived early this morning and saw the cost of rack trays around £22.00 pounds that isn’t too bad providing I, don’t go nuts and buy a whole bunch of sliding trays or I can then just buy a normal tray.

Other than that I’m pleased with the look of the racking plates, very pleased. In the meantime I’ll keep the racking plates in the cardboard tube safely until I’ve got the timber frame fitted up along with flash virtual piece of thin MDF boarding.

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Slightly changed room’s while being parked directly on top adjacent bedrooms.

My new neighbour said it was vibrating the concrete floor two floors below! Well at least I know it’s performing like it’s suppose to. I think that must have been Crimson Tide (PCM) dts 5.1 THX laserdisc.

So I hope the new room will minimize the low end to small degree.

I’ve applied cable truncking along, above the picture framing around the room to conceal the loudspeaker cables for the surrounds.

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The surrounds are all, wired in series.

Later on I’ll fit the front panel of the cable truncking, onto the fitting.

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I need to really block the windows up to reduce outside sound and stray light from disruption.

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The room is bit lively with slight reverb that needs to be dealt with. It’s kinder hard to tell if the sub bass extension is deeper or more controlled than the other room.


LFE.1 I haven’t tested it out, yet. I’m running, laserdisc transfer DVD-RW Star Trek the Motion Picture (1979) Dolby stereo 4:2:4 which as surfactant bass and sub bass lows.


The fronts LCR seem to be performing with good stereo front and dialogue panning is smooth over a narrow (7 feet 6”) to the present listening position, which is 9 feet.


Seating is placed within the sidewall surrounds which are placed high up at (6 feet 7”). The angle is as step as they can go; I’d guess its slightly less than 45°.


The angle of the surrounds is 55” to the listener’s ears.


Also haven’t tried out stereo surrounds with centre back as of yet, maybe later on. Then I can see how well it images around the room, while the monaural matrix surrounds give good envelopment when “Veger’s” lighting thunders around, Enterprise.


Has Enterprise goes though an opening into another part of Veger complex, its accompanied by a nice smooth low end on the JBL 4645 that is in SW re-mix which sends all the low end to subwoofer output.


I normal have this in the OFF setting that only comes active with LFE.1 (Dolby / dts 5.1) sources.

I still have four more JBL control 1 fitted to the ceiling in the other room that need to be taken down and fitted somewhere into the large room.

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Changed the fronts LCR back with a mixture of JBL control 5 and control 1 as to with the crossover frequency.

LCR
LF 40Hz Butterworth 18db 521Hz Butterworth 18db

LCR
Mid range to high
510Hz no crossover filter used on the highs leave that to the THX re-eq to address that part.

The control 1 will sound loud on the mid to high range.

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Just finished fitting the remaining other JBL control 1 to the ceiling for matrix height surround as well as working with monaural surround. How that works is with the Pioneer VSP-200 other matrix functions called (Simulated and Studio) modes that work with sidewall surrounds when in this mode.

Simulated provides a bit involvement with the opening of “InnerSpace” (1987) as the liqueur is pored into glass and rather having it on left and right sidewall surrounds I can place a little bend overheard that works quite will.

Studio mode presents a lesser watery liqueur sound as that is mostly on left and right sidewall arrays.

Dolby stereo Pro-Logic even lesser in this mode as the sound is directed to the centre back surrounds as it would appear the surrounds are monaural.

Drilled into the ceiling with small pilot-holes to make the task easier and then mounted the brackets and attached the JBL control 1 up and tightened up the screw. Anyway I tidy up the dangling cables from the ceiling with cable trunking and need to get a few more lengths of it to finish it up as I ran out, its only £1.98p for 2.4m length, so what the heck.

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[Brainstorm]

Repositioned the arrangement of the JBL control 1 by placing some timbre slightly ahead by 18” re-spaced them out a bit and mirrored the difference on the opposite side redid the EQ and there’s a noticeable difference in bass mid and high range, that’s encompassed around the ears, rather than that common lose hole in the bucket sound that most home cinema users have.

Screwed up some timbre that took around 10 minutes piloted the holes with electric drill to make it easier to screw the back bracket to the timber. Re-wired the series of the cables to the surrounds, took bath because I was sweating like pig, came back in finished off a few more surrounds then settled down and relaxed with the surrounds only to see what else need attention.

Standing up and walking around it remains stable and uniform, just the way I want it. also I’ve removed the height surrounds only until I get another set of JBL control 1 as the other two are positioned on the sides around the seating area and slightly ahead of it as well.

The bridge sequence on the opening of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan has wonderful ambient low end rumble that doesn’t draw attention to the surrounding JBL control 1, certain levels change in the pitch of the Enterprise’s engines and when captain Kirk enters the bridge simulator, is heard with metallic like sound a few pressure hydraulic sounds are heard as well.

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[Brainstorm]

After slight few IR inferred sensor issues with the commands being sent from the remote control that activates a few functions on the Kenwood KRF-X9050D THX select. I was forced to open it up, to correct the minor difficulty.

I fought it might have been a dry joint on the one of the pins that connects from the IR to the PCB so there was no soldering involved. I took non-metallic plastic object and prodded around with the pins that connect to the IR sensor and PCB to see if anyone one of them was lose, none what so ever.

All that was needed was to push the IR sensor into proper position and that it.

I also cleaned around inside with dust that had settled onto the PCB with duster and vacuum cleaner. Also with the faceplate removed I polished it up to remove smudges and finger makes. Screwed the faceplate back on replaced the outer casing and plugged the cables back into proper operating function.

Oh, what a palaver!

Now that I’m relaxed with (Jean Michel Jarre) “Rendezvous” maybe I can get on with something.

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[Brainstorm]

Received my third Alesis RA300 this afternoon and it’s plugged up for the LFE.1 in (bridge mode) only.

Thou slightly behind and other three Alesis RA300 for basic 7.1 configuration isn’t really enough for the requirements as I have a dozen ideas bouncing around in my head.

One thing is clearly evident and that’s the clutter that’s starting to build up! I really need to get those Samson 19” racks and do this with slight bit of professionalism and house all the equipment in the bedroom, with a set of holes drilled though the wall and the cables passed though it for a neat and tidy look.

I’m warming the third Alesis RA300 up the moment with my personal six-track Dolby stereo copy of RAMBO III (1988) that won’t be realised on region 2 DVD till next year.

LCRS bass extension is still be directed to the Eltax A 12-R sub while the JBL 4645 calmly handles LFE.1 effects only.

The prison breakout where John Rambo fails on his first attempt has nice blend of isolated screen front information of rapid machinegun fire grade pin, retracting and being heard to screen left HF! Dialogue speech indelibility is terrific as well to help understand what is happen “loud and clear” thou not ear busting!

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I’ve set-up one of two extra JBL Control 5 as pre-five screen fronts a few more amplifiers and Dolby stereo decoders to make it fully functional into two system playback mode for baby boom and five screen discrete matrix that derives information from the centre channel thus making it more clearer as well as extracting part of the half panned left and right information and sending into the (two inner channels, left-centre right-centre.

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Tonight’s first test is with the (1982) futuristic nightmarish thriller “Blade Runner” International Theatrical Cut after testing a few scenes out with opening sequences and The Pris Attack where Deckard is taken by surprise only to finish her off with shot to the stomach that resulted in a high pitch frenzy of screaming! A second shot reverberated outwards from taking individual tests of LCR only.

Tested left front with (CR muted) checked SPL db and was satisfied with the improvement I made.

Switching to right front with (LC muted) checked the levels of low while midrange and high HF have a different sound, noted the bass level checked it off the list and moved over to centre.

(Muting LR) while listening carefully to the centre action of her scream and the echo that’s around it and other tiny little details, until Deckard fired another shot that was bit more punchier and milder at the listen area with mild scary sound that rolled over my chest.

Playing the whole scene with LCR and sub bass extension and the LFE.1 track escalated it higher to a disturbing almost sickening point, its not cherry film its fairly violent, but that’s the whole point of the story.

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[Brainstorm]

Extended the width of the sidewall surrounds with 4 foot spacing between each one of them, results wow! it totally encompassed with greater uniformity. The bell dong from Underworld (2003) where Seline, puts a few bullets into the werewolf has the bell dong up front then pans to the surrounds with smoothness. A few minor changes in the EQ for the sidewall surrounds was made to get the right amount low end need.

Walking steadily around the room while listening to Star Trek the motion picture original (1979) laserdisc to DVD-RW with only the surrounds playing there is minimal change in the sound, with Jerry Goldsmith’s score “The cloud” THX on/off it’s as if I’m warring “headphones” like a cinema, only in smaller room.

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The centre back has remained unchanged because this placement offers the tightest centre back possible without the hole in sound image. There maybe a few cables dangling in the picture but this only to get my bearings, before I start knocking up a small false upper wall to the rear left, the timber will be taken down and fitted with new timber and placed inside the a few inches so that I can place wall with flush look.

I’m also considering repainting the wall, but that won’t help the small reflection and thin layer of absorbent material attached to the walls though the use of wall plugs and just simply screwed up will be better option, as to when I get around to this depends on how hard I save because timber is few bob, and it soon mounts up in cost. Paint, well I’ll repaint the wall a different colour a kinder of warmer colour or I may just go with neutral texture kinder like the Empire, can’t be that hard.

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[Brainstorm]

My dad brought around a few chisels so that I switch the door around so that it opens in the opposite direction. The door needs a clean up that I’ll get around to sometime next week with rub down and new piece of door beading. For the meantime its held in place with two screws no chance of falling off.

Question is does it improve the JBL sound hmm, now that is the question?

My dad started the first part just to make sure I haven’t forgotten then left me to finish it off. its only taken about 2 hours to do. This is the first step to revamping the room once the door is all cleaned up I’ll move on to the next phase.

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[Brainstorm]

Well what happened, final happened Sooty managed to get stuck inside the JBL 4645!

Early hours of this morning while I generally let Sooty wonder around the room it crawled though one of the three lower ports that is closest to the floor got right inside it where I couldn’t even get my arm inside the port to grab it.

I had to undo all the screws and remove the 18” JBL sub bass to get the kitten out because if was unaware I could have had some music or film playing and that would harm the kitten! [Sigh] **** sakes!

Since getting out [sigh] the little bugger 10 minites after I have replaced the JBL sub bass driver makes another attempt! Only this time, I managed to grab it by the tail hold it while, I stuck my other arm though the other port and pushed it out backwards. Little ****er! And several minutes later it tries it again! [sigh] getting a little pissed off now!

So what I’ve tried now is to block-up one of the ports with a few plastic bags stuffed inside until Sooty, grows bigger and matures a little bit. I’d have to also place a grill over the 18” JBL sub bass driver and the smaller Eltax 12” sub bass driver somehow?

I guess Sooty likes the sound of the JBL 4645. Yesterday while watching The War of the Worlds it walks up and stands in-front of it while the atomic bomb went off weird kitten!?

Cat owner’s block up the port on the sub bass enclosure until kitten is several months old.

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[Brainstorm]

Okay another simple DIY improvement to keep the surrounds at high level without it getting out of control and yet maintaining a higher level even with softer sound effects or music and 360° dialogue panning effects.

This is technique I’ve done before at least 6 years ago and it’s been disconnected for a while since I moved. This evening I decided to re-plug the surrounds pre-outputs left and right to the inputs of a disused Ferguson videostar Hi-Fi stereo VCR that has built in (audio limiter) and with a slight extra boost of the output levels to add extra enhancement of lower level effects to the series of x10 JBL control 1 surrounds.

Last weeks demo was "Star Trek Nemesis" (2002) that offers extraordinary surround effects from what you’d expect from a Star Trek feature film.

Most if not all Hi-Fi stereo VCR should have built in audio limiter even a monaural VCR might come equipped with one so if, you feel like trying this out for yourselves its rather easy to set-up.

The best way to explore sound on film soundtracks is though the use of separates where the possibilities are limitless, over standard AVR internal amplifiers.

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[Brainstorm]

My cat is strange ole kitten its boy it was given its shots yesterday weighed and measured and was given worming pack a de-flea pack to put on Sooty back. He’ll get another check-up in three weeks.

It was staring at the computer screen looking at the (cursor) as I flip though other forum sites cheeking up on threads.

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[Brainstorm]

After trial and error to get my kitten to drink water after many weeks! I managed to get the first picture after weeks and weeks 5 weeks trying to get it to be more normal and to eat and drink! It runs around a lot and it must be parched for water after all that!?

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[Brainstorm]

I’ve done some more testing with REW (Room EQ Wizard) and after a bit of (trial and error) I nailed this frequency response that is slightly smoother over the pervious one. Range is smoother and its virtual eliminated some portions of low frequency boom.

The floor tends to vibrate a bit more when bypassing the BFQ2496 and readjusting the sub bass level where its boom I my ear with mild vibration. When switching back to BFQ2496 and adjusting the sub bass level from 0db to +10db, no clipping is evident on the Alesis RA300 all is running smooth. the floor vibrated as well as vibration in the sofa with wormhole sequence from original laserdisc to DVD-RW Star Trek the motion picture Dolby stereo.

Vibration on the TV I noticed a slight vibration emitting from the TV location during quiet moment from the film, as the Enterprise moves though the (Vger cloud) which was only in at a few seconds, after securing the vibration with a few pieces of cardboard placed underneath it.

I really should get this horizontal base platform built and get the speakers off the TV that is bad because it will transmit vibration into it, I should place a second smaller platform above the sub bass by a 1” or place rubber matting underneath it and run a few frequency sweeps at different sound pressure levels to determine or locate any possible vibrations and fix them.

I took graph of the frequency sweep and the corrections that I made also the numbers that I entered into the BFQ2496 parametric EQ.

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I guess the vibration was around or between 57Hz to 59Hz. If I was standing a wooden floor it would be real pain in the neck to isolate because the floorboard would flex due to my (body weight) and therefore adjust what ever there is up front, because I’ve run into this issue before at my last crappy home, the floorboards really sucked!

I might get some rubber feet to place underneath the JBL 4645 to minimize floor vibration.

[Brainstorm]

Christmas lights buggered Sooty mugging for the camera yet again!

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I tested the lights nearly one by one with a volt meter to see if the connection is broken between one of the lights as their series type and then said sod it! What’s the point the lights are very cheap and affordable and chances are that the light replacement bulbs are no longed made or may not even fit the lights that I’m using.

I’ll get some new ones from ASDA next week as they are real cheap as biscuits today

I could retest each light and if one is not making a circuit connection…easy, just bridge the broken connection and bingo there will be light, but I can’t be asked so…I’ll get some new ones. At least the little tree is up and looking partly decorated.

[Brainstorm]

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[Brainstorm]

Late this afternoon Sooty went on climbing expedition. I might not have been JBL K2 LOL but he reached the highest peak on top of the JBL control 5 LOL. He jumped up on the smaller Eltax A 12-R sub bass then up onto the other JBL control 5 then up onto the CRT TV then up onto the JBL control 5 centre front. I had to take a picture just after I noticed he was standing on the TV then the JBL control 5, little bugger. I had to help him down because if I jumped off he might move the JBL control 5 with his back legs and knock it flying LOL.

Maybe Sooty can promote JBL as the purrfect speaker system.

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[Brainstorm]

Well I’m kinder of neutral at the moment must be the custard?

Okay just tested out the seating position with the second sub bass Eltax A 12-R and the best is ±1.8db over the seating area with 100Hz tone it was at its weakest on the floor but what of the frequencies below it? I’ll run a few frequency sweeps now and see what I can see.

I tried a location on top of the JBL 4645 results not that good then I tired several where it is placed now but not necessarily in the same space as it is now. I tried three and they produced a very low flow of the signal at 100Hz. room modes truly suck.

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A close friend just brought around a SONY KV-X2972U (27” CRT) a few hours ago which has now replaced the Toshiba (20” CRT). I’m a little speechless to say the least. He said he’ll drop the remote off later and I was thinking I have one of those learning universal remotes that I thought had malfunction and I gave it a try. (Yes it accessed the Sony menu features).

The contrast is a bit hot that produced slight bleeding on whites. I adjusted the contrast down that was fairly high on its least preset level.

Colour looks normal when compared with Toshiba. There is slight minor over-scan on the left side of the screen by a small percentage. I’ll see if I can’t adjust the (horizontal variable resistor) later on. A test card needs to be put up on it to see how much error there is on the vertical and horizontal.

Stereo sound on it is fair if not a little narrow due to distance to the seating area and the spacing of the speakers. There are a few basic modes for optimising the stereo sound with (space control) it seems a bit hockey if you ask me, so I leave it in the (off mode).

The image here makes it seem small against the JBL 4645 parked off to the side of it LOL, still it’s a whole lot clear to view than the Toshiba which is still a fine CRT television.

There are assorted modes of SCART inputs which is set in RGB mode at present to offer best picture. There is an S-video input but I don’t have an S-video lead I thought I did not sure of I gave it to my friend a few years ago, no matter I’ll get another S-video lead from D.J. electronics down the road from me. They don’t cost much.

Well I now have new problem! The LCR speakers or left and right needs to be raised up a few inches due to the height of the Sony so its looking around for any resourceful items to place underneath left and right and get the height level correct.

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[Brainstorm]

Well I’ve managed to get the height of the left and right within ½ inch that is the best I can do with what I had on hand. I used the lower part of polystyrene that holds the JBL control 1 in place in the carrying box. Again JBL control leaves something in the packing to provide control LOL.

The picture is leaning to one side we just hit an iceberg!! Women and cats first!

All I have to do now is test the sound with pink noise and a few sine wave frequencies to see what needs correcting

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One thing that I noticed that was strange was the remote control I brought for £1.99p from G&T at Winton LOL its sending a signal out constantly. You can see this if you have video camera and aim the remote at it and press any of the buttons you’ll see the IR inferred light. A friend in electronics showed me this effect, that only video cameras can see the IR where we can’t, now think about that, hmmm interesting.

So I have to remove one of the batteries to prevent them from going flat!

[Brainstorm]

My dad dropped around a few items this morning one such item may reduce some of the clutter in the living room with this wooden frame table thingy.

I sized up one side of it that might be suitable for the Alesis RA300 amplifiers and more.

I’ll size up an RA300 and if it fits in on one side I’ll start disconnecting the whole system and drilling the holes for the amps rake slot holes, hope they fit?

This is going to take the best part of the day and its pancake day as well, bugger I like pancakes.

I’ll let the CD finish then start disassembling.

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“Disassemble! No not disassemble”!

I tried one Alesis RA300 and the screws is no go, so I’ll work a way around that and lay them on top of each other and there is mild heat issues at risk, I’ll keep them well vented to allow airflow around them.

Well that’s it CD as now finished and time to get cracking.

[Brainstorm]

At the present time, with more time, on my hands I’m dealing with the matching LCR yet again with the two subs playing the same range in the low end department 15Hz while the remain frequency response sweeps though up to 16,000kHz.

So far applied a frequency cut on the left channel as it was a bit high between 15Hz and 47Hz a little Q not going to talk about the rest of the sound politics too much until its finalized.

Now I have a few more things to address and attend too. Same technique of “In & Out” I get out of the room while it does the full range sweep, as to not disturb the sound waves.

Also I decided too have a little fun, but being serious at the same time.


Now you channels’ will all be using allies on this EQ. Here are your names.

Left channel you’re Mr Red
Centre channel you’re Mr. Purple
Right channel you’re Mr. Blue

Why am I Mr. Purple?

Because you’re a poof, okay.

Why can’t I be Mr. Red?

You’re Mr. Purple!

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A close friend called yesterday and asked if I would like a 32” Panasonic CRT FST. I asked how much? £50.00 pounds I asked why and that I’d be surrounded with CRT he laughed and I asked isn’t that your old CRT that evidently he gave to his girlfriend and that she’s got a flat screen now.

So I said done, deal.

Only problem now is? What do I do with the SONY 27” CRT and to think I was just getting used to it.

I have the Toshiba 20” in the bedroom for myself and Sooty my cat. The kitchen is no good as I’m only meters away from each room. I measured/sized it up no way impossible to fit in the kitchen and besides its waste of electricity. I might put it aside on the floor in the bedroom and place the SONY in the bedroom.

Now the other issue is colour strain due to the subs on each side of the front, that’s right there placed back up front again. I’d soon find out if there’s a colour strain issue and I need my friend to stay around for while, while I try out different positions as its rather heavy to lift on your own.

Also this would change the front JBL control 5, height placement. There positioning at present is spot-on for directional hard and half dialogue panning and I’m not about to screw that up because it takes hours to get done right.

The width of the Panasonic will push the JBL 4645 over slightly to the right more, sigh. If I can get the platform built it would help with the LCR placement where I wouldn’t have to stack the JBL control 5 onto tower speakers and empty boxes just so that the height is correct.

Anyway not sure what day he’s bring it over and I’d pay him half now and another half in few weeks and he’s cool about that.

[Brainstorm]

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[Brainstorm]

Just placed a small deposit down on an LCD Hitachi CP-X430 video projector that is going was going for £225.00 now only £150.00 to pay off as the owners other half was kinder enough to lower it to £200.00.

I’ll figure out what to do with it when I pick it up after final payment which, should be around May 2009.

Bulb is new in the projector and finding a supplier like eBay or other as it would need back-up bulb and kitty box, to save up for the next bulb. I was told the cost is around £300.00 whoa! It’s no different than a cinema projector expect specifications of course.

I’ll figure out a design to secure it to the ceiling at the back or wherever to give its optimum brightness and size width or diagonal size on diy screen.

Well its something I’ve kinder wanted for nearly almost 10 years now.

[Brainstorm]

Just found a site that stocks spare parts wow £216 whew that’s an expressive bulb
http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/projectorlamps/Hitachi_CP-X430_Projector_Lamp.html

I’ll keep this link for reference use later on.

Can’t seem to find a pdf file or users manual on this model as of yet.

[Brainstorm]

Found this piece of information on it. It’s just too wet my, appreciate for now.


The manual for Hitachi CP-X430 LCD projector is not from Hitachi.us because the link to the manual in Hitachi website is not found. Reason being [The link from the referring page may be either invalid, the URL may have been mistyped or the page may have moved due to our redesign.].

Thus I tried to search from other website and finally I found a copy on touchboards.com


Inside the manual you will find these aspects on CP X430:
Before use: here you can check on the content of the package
Installation: cabling and example of system setup
Operation: basic operation and menu options
Maintenance: Lamp, air filter and other maintenance
Troubleshooting, specification and warranty.
Specification of CP-X430


Item Specification
Product name Liquid crystal projector
Panel size 2.3 cm (0.9 type)
Drive system TFT active matrix
Pixels CP-X430:786,432 pixels (1024 horizontal x 768 vertical)
CP-S420:480,000 pixels (800 horizontal x 600 vertical)

Lens Zoom lens F=1.7 ~ 2.1 f=36.8 ~ 47.8 mm
Lamp 250 W UHB
Speaker 1.0W+1.0W (stereo)
Power supply AC100 ~ 120V, 4.5A / AC220 ~ 240V, 1.9A
Power consumption 410W
Temperature range 0 ~ 35°C (Operating)
Size 360 (W) x 106 (H) x 256.5 (D) mm
Weight (mass) 4.5 kg
RGB IN Video: Analog 0.7Vp-p, 75? terminator (positive)
H/V. sync.: TTL level (positive/negative)

Composite sync.: TTL level

D-sub 15-pin shrink jack

DVI (CP-X430 only) TMDS, DC: 150~1200 mV / AC: 1.56 Vp-p
TTL Level (Positive/Negative)

AUDIO IN 200mVrms, 50 k? (max. 3.0Vp-p)
Stereo mini jack

VIDEO IN 1.0Vp-p, 75? terminator
RCA jack

S-VIDEO IN Brightness signal: 1.0Vp-p, 75? terminator
Color signal: 0.286Vp-p (NTSC, burst signal),75? terminator

0.300Vp-p (PAL/SECAM, burst signal),75? terminator

Mini DIN 4-pin jack

COMPONENT VIDEO Y - 1.0 Vp-p, 75ohm Terminator (Positive)
CB/PB - 0.7 Vp-p, 75ohm Terminator (Positive)

CR/PR - 0.7 Vp-p, 75ohm Terminator (Positive)

AUDIO IN L - 200mVrms, 50 k ohm (max. 3.0Vp-p)
R - RCA jack

RGB OUT Video: Analog 0.7Vp-p, 75? output impedance (positive)
H/V. sync.: TTL level (positive/negative)

Composite sync.: TTL level

D-sub 15-pin shrink jack

AUDIO OUT 200mVrms, output impedance 1 k ohm (max. 3.0Vp-p)
Stereo mini jack

Control functions CONTROL - D-sub 15-pin shrink plug
USB - USB jack (B type)


Optional Parts Lamp: DT00471
Air Filter: NJ06131

[Brainstorm]

Just found this brief pdf file description on the CP-X430 that gives details like screen size distances, input signals, and 16:9 mode and more
http://hitachi-homeelectronics.us/supportingdocs/forhome/DisplayTechnologiesGroup/lcdprojectors/SupportingDocuments/CP-X430_series_ds_0205.pdf

2,500 ANSI lumens
• Native XGA resolution
• 9.9 lbs
• 2 RGB inputs and RGB
output/DVI inputs
• Manual zoom/manual focus
• Contrast ratio 350:1
• HDTV theater ready
• FCC class B
• Component/composite/S-video
• Vertical & horizontal keystone correction
• “My screen” (user programmable start-up screen)
• Reverse image function for ceiling mount
• Remote control with laser pointer
• Whisper mode 36dB
• 16:9 mode
• Digital zoom/freeze function
• Switchable IR receiver for
remote controller
• Gamma correction
• Supplied with soft case
• Kensington security slot
• Picture in picture

Model name CP-X430 series
Liquid crystal panel structure 0.9” polysilicon active-matrix TFT x 3
Number of pixels 786, 432 pixels (H 1,024 x V 768)
Resolution Video 540 TV lines
RGB 1024 dots x 768 lines
Colors 16.7 million colors
Aspect ratio Native 4:3/16:9 compatible
Lens Manual zoom 1:1.3 (F1.74 - 2.08)
Throw ratio (distance:width) 1.94 ~ 2.57 : 1
Lamp 250W UHB
Expected lamp life Approx. 2,000 hours
Brightness 2,500 ANSI lumens (2,000 ANSI lumens in whisper mode)
Contrast ratio 350 : 1
Speakers 1W x 2
Power supply AC100-120V/AC220-240V 50/60Hz
Power consumption 410W
Operating temperature 0°~ 35°C (32° ~ 95° F)
Input signals RGB VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA (COMPRESSED), MAC13”, MAC16”
Composite video NTSC, NTSC4.43, PAL, PAL-M, PAL-N, SECAM, PAL60, S-video
Component video 480i, 575i, 480p, 1,080i, 720p
Acoustic noise level 40dB (36dB in whisper mode)
H sync 15kHz ~ 80kHz
V sync 50Hz ~ 120Hz
Vertical keystone correction Digital keystone +/- 15°
Horizontal keystone correction Digital keystone +/- 5°
Approvals UL, C-UL, FCC Class-B, CE, TUV
RGB input Digital RGB DVI x 1
Analog RGB 15-pin D-sub connector x 2
Audio Stereo mini jack x 2
Audio output Stereo mini jack x 1
Video input S-video Mini DIN 4-pin connector x 1
Composite video RCA jack x 1
Component video RCA jack x 3
Audio RCA jack x 2 (L/R)
Control terminals 15-pin D-sub connector x 1
USB connector (USB mouse) x 1
Compatible controls PS/2, ADB, Serial
RS-232C (Serial)
Dimensions 14.2” x 4.2” x 10.1” (W x H x D)
Weight 9.9 lbs.
Supplied accessories Remote control with laser pointer, PS/2 mouse
cable, batteries (AA), power cord, RCA
component cable, RGB cable, multiple language operator/
safety manual, soft case
Lamp CPX430LAMP (Part #: DT00471)

Screen Size 4.3 Throw distance
Diagonal* Width* Min* Max*
40 32 62 82
60 48 94 123
80 64 127 164
100 80 160 205
120 96 192 246
150 120 241 308
200 160 323 411

[Brainstorm]

Type of screen? Now I sure don’t have hundreds for screen so I’d have to look around at what is on hand and see if it can’t be put to some good use. Fabrics are not all that good it needs to have some degree of refractive gloss or neutral matt look

Perforated is important to allow the sound to pass though.

I wonder if there’s any second hand screens going or maybe new ones at revolutionary low price.

Mounting it would have to be closer to the upper middle rear ceiling.

One thing is clear thou I won’t be using this all the time, due to bulb life 2,000 hours. I’d use it for new films or the odd one now and then, but use the SONY CRT for most regular viewing, so I’d have to make screen that can be removed kinder like pull down screen but perforated.

At most its 83 days running time at full, halve that and it should give around 1 year at best. That would mean around few films once every week average is 2 hours, hmm, yeah about a 1years worth out of the bulb damn costly.

Average domestic light-bulbs don’t even cost no more than £1.00 pound today and some might last just over 1 year. Sigh, the price you have to pay for life’s little luxuries these days sigh.

[Brainstorm]

Been looking at alternatives like pre-made video projection screens but as of yet can’t find a realistic price with a perforated screen. Costs can run as high as near to £grand.

http://www.drhscreens.co.uk/
http://www.smxscreen.com/

I’ll have to visit fabric shop around May and see what types of white fabric that can be used as projection screen. Even some fabrics can cost quite a bit per square metre

[Brainstorm]

Just got off the phone with a friendly chap where I was asking for perforated screens. He said we don’t stock them and replayed some company’s that do supply perforated screens micro screens due to the different size in perforations VS distance.

I knew instantly what he meant about some customers complaining about seeing the regular cinema screens due to the size in perforations and VS distance. In a cinema front seats are at least 20 feet or more away from the audience.

In the home you’re considerably a lot closer due to the room size length.

I wanted to look at my options for screen as I was thinking about a bed sheet not that there is anything wrong with the idea, it just won’t have the refractive surface.

So I thought how about taking a hobby drill as this is for model making and drill bits are very tiny for precession model drilling. Now if I can look at sample micro perforated screen or use it as (template) placed over a none perforated screen I could drill out the parts of the screen I need.

For example if screen speaker is placed LCR at given distance width and height of speaker as well, all that I need to do is drill the holes for the width and height and yes it would take days if not weeks to do this.

Also due to drilling small perforated holes and only in three locations might, stick out like a soar thumb with kinder grey tone look, maybe?

Anyway the chap is sending me two samples to look at so I can evaluate and make decision to go with non-perforated and modify it for less of the cost or track down a suppler for perforated screens and pay a bit more.

[Brainstorm]

Received some screen samples to compare with and I have to say the micro is more best suited.

I placed the normal perforated screen and micro screen at distance where JBL speakers, I could instantly see the differences between the two the normal stood out over 8 feet away and that’s too near. About 15 feet away it starts becoming less noticeable or transparent, so around 20 feet away your hardly going to notice it.

The micro screen was spot on at 8 feet away the holes look like (0.5 or less mm) the normal one looks like 0.7 or just a bit larger. The holes on the normal are also spaced out and guess that is what gives it away in small room.

If I had to use non-perforated screen and use a micro as template to drill micro holes with hobby drill it would take weeks.

I like the smell of the plastic between the three types.

Also rubbing my fingers or sliding them along the surface produces different frequencies.

I’ll have to try later on some sound tests with the normal over micro while hanging it in front of the centre channel and pass a few sine wave tones or pink noise see what the db ratio sound loss is.

Also been phoning around at another supplier that the chap suggested try Screenline which is an Italian make.

I’m waiting some figures on screen cost just the material I don’t want no manual/automatic screen retraction system just the screen.

http://forums.audioreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5515&stc=1&d=1241320928

http://forums.audioreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5516&stc=1&d=1241320928

http://forums.audioreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5517&stc=1&d=1241320928

[Brainstorm]

Only £100, 00 pounds outstanding should have this around May.

Base platform contraction around late May
Baffle wall construction around June

Screen material pending on supplier that can provide an affordable rate for perforated screen/micro. If the push comes to the shove I’ll explore plan C.

[Brainstorm]

My close friend just dropped his ole Panasonic TX-32PK1 widescreen (CRT) along with his young son and very youngest daughter. She was shy about stocking Sooty who ran for cover as he is an extremely shy cat.

The ole Panasonic has slighter clearer edge over the SONY CRT 4:3 that he dropped off on Boxing day last year.

Only problem now is recollecting the sound LCR matching JBL control 5 as they are now in new position that didn’t take long to find some magazines and flipping the other loudspeakers AWIA on their sides so I can the height near to that of the matching centre channel!

I can not wait until I start knocking up the stage platform around late May the very least early June.

I’m presently testing out image with the new original STAR TREK feature films and I trilled to bits with STAR TREK the motion picture in its original (1979) six-track Dolby stereo form and not that abomination director’s edition, if anyone cares to really listen you know what I’m talking about.


I’ll give it very thorough and detailed examination with A B and C sound comparison in the JBL movie sound thread later on.

The SONY CRT is now placed in the bedroom so Sooty, and watch DVD at night time.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk123/IndianaJones34/PanasonicTX-32PK11.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk123/IndianaJones34/PanasonicTX-32PK12.jpg

Only one last item to get and that’s the LCD video projector which will be around May.

One other thing, the Panasonic is placed fairly close to the diy JBL 4645 and I’m surprised the it didn’t go (total discolour).

I also need the remote that will be dropped off later.

[Brainstorm]

Just placed another payment down on the Hitachi LCD only £90 pounds left now should be able to get in another 12 ½ days. I’d need to get a sodden long S-video lead for it a damn long one too.

[Brainstorm]

And that’s that more or less up to date.

[RoadRunner6]

Great chap! Be sure and keep us up to date.

[pixelthis]

I 've seen Mexican soap operas that were less involved.
Ever heard of the K.I.S.S principle?
(Keep It Simple Stupid).
You need to throw out about half of that stuff, especially all of those sat speakers.
You are going to get freq cancelations, standing waves, all kind of good stuff.
Or maybe you could have a friend come over and taser you, that might help.
BTW I got a smaller JBL sub for fifty bucks off of a clearance table at Sears once,
exelent sub, but yours is WAYYY too big for that room, for that matter its too big for the
average soccer field, and being unsheilded its eventually going to destroy most of your gear, it needs to go, unless you want to degauss your CRT every half hour or so.
Otherwise, doing great.:1:

[GMichael]

Wow! It was fun seeing your HT system grow in front of my eyes.
How does it sound to you?

[RoadRunner6]

I 've seen Mexican soap operas that were less involved.

They broadcast Mexican soap operas in Alabama? :crazy:

[audio amateur]

This is just a bit :crazy:

Pix, nicely said :D

[Kevio]

You go dude. With respect to audio performance, there's no such things as a sub too big. Your sub is more than you need for that room but you set it to the right level and it will sound just as good if not better than a smaller sub.

I'd not be to concerned with shielding (magnetic) issues. Your CRT probably has a degauss coil built in that will take care of that every time you fire it up. The new LCD you're getting is unaffected by the magnets in your speakers.

[pixelthis]

They broadcast Mexican soap operas in Alabama? :crazy:

Life in Alabama is a mexican soap opera:1:

[pixelthis]

This is just a bit :crazy:

Pix, nicely said :D


The inquistion was "just a bit".
This is insane.
Also proof positive you don't have a woman in your life.
I don't either, but I don't advertise it.:1:

[RoadRunner6]

Hey Pix, what channel is that? Gracias.

[Brainstorm]

You go dude. With respect to audio performance, there's no such things as a sub too big. Your sub is more than you need for that room but you set it to the right level and it will sound just as good if not better than a smaller sub.

I'd not be to concerned with shielding (magnetic) issues. Your CRT probably has a degauss coil built in that will take care of that every time you fire it up. The new LCD you're getting is unaffected by the magnets in your speakers.


Well it’s just barely within discolouring if I shift the JBL forwards it plays havoc. I know its really bad practice to place it that near. However a Toshiba 20 inch that now sits in the bedroom, not in use only the SONY is in use. The Toshiba seemed immune to the sub even when placed directly on top of the sub while sub lay sideways on the floor.

Strange huh.

The video projector I know will be unaffiliated by the magnetic pull over a CRT.

Not long now till I get and its not going to change my life nor do I want greater respect its just a video projector.

Since I had the new widescreen and its not what I’d call a real widescreen the picture shape/size is all wrong. Its more suited for W/S not scope aspect ratio. Plus the screen is over-scanned slightly.

I was thinking of opening the back up to peer inside for a few possible (VR) variable resistors for vertical and horizontal to see if I can bring the sides in bit as there is a considerable loss on the left side and mild loss on the right.

This is common with widescreen CRT/LCD/Plasma screens I haven’t seen one that displays the image without any loss. Not sure about the LCD video projector if there is going to be loss on the sides.

My last SONY CRT monitor was good. I made a tweak of the vertical and horizontal has it had (VR) inside the turn out was slightly wider image even thou it was 4:3 aspect ratio, now then.

The Toshiba hasn’t got any VR nor does the present SONY have any VR as that over scans slightly. I’m guess the Panasonic won’t have any VR as its all microprocessor chips today.

The basic picture to aspect ratio mode is childish I mean silly who ever invented needs to be shot. You can adjust vertical by shifting the image up and down, oh, wow! You can’t make any real differences to the change in V/H.

My 14 inch computer monitor displays a wider image of W/S and scope film/DVD what is the deal with this???

[Brainstorm]

The inquistion was "just a bit".
This is insane.
Also proof positive you don't have a woman in your life.
I don't either, but I don't advertise it.:1:

Well you look like pretty boy,:blush2: hmm, yes I fancy you a lot. Do you want some money to buy an ice-cream?:wink5:

No, I’m single and loving it, because I don’t have hassles with talk-back or any lip, I go to sleep as and when I god damn feel like it. I say bugger the sun I’m not rising when it rises I get up when I’m god damn good and ready.

I eat when I choice I take a bath when I chose I go to the bog when I chose I brush my teeth each day I sit at my computer and wonder? WTF am I doing sharing with the world to a bunch of strangers whom I’ve never met face-to-face?

If this was anywhere else like the street I wouldn’t even bother sharing.

So to answer your question again, I’m straight and no I’m not gay so step back will you please.:dita:

[Brainstorm]

Great chap! Be sure and keep us up to date.

Well I’ll pop on by when any major I mean minor changes in rooms development.

Sooner I get into late May I can put a little money to one side for building materials to knock up the base platform that will extend over the front above the CRT Panasonic. God knows how I’m going to get all this knocked up. I have the plan in my head and down on paper so its case of doing it! Making it work.

That will be one part of the phase. The next phase is vertical baffle wall and that’s going to be challenge to size up and get it done right as the slightest miscalculation and I’d have to start over again. So I’d have to take it a few steps at time and not rush it.

The wall will be covered in fabric as to the type I’m not sure as yet I have few ideas on the type and I’ll look at the fabric shop down the road for possible affordable types that will work for the needs.

Cost I’d expect it to be done for £100 pounds or less.

[RoadRunner6]

Good stuff Brainstorm, keep up the project. We like the photos. Don't pay any attention to Pixelthis, he's an alien from the planet Alabama.

Hello to Her Majesty if you have her over for tea! :thumbsup:

[Brainstorm]

Wow! It was fun seeing your HT system grow in front of my eyes.
How does it sound to you?

From the front LCR surrounds or overall?

LCR is good for wide listening at the back slight off the back wall by 45 inches. I could shift the sofa forwards a few feet.

Clarity of centre (DME) dialogue music effects is clear and understood over some of the left/right competition. The DCX2496 can ether be used with a bit of audio limiting to tame the levels while playing at modest loudness of near 90dbc LCR.

I use a bit of sub bass extension off the Eltax A-12R to extended LCRS

The surrounds all six for sidewall surrounds does the trick like its done in the cinema your not really drawn to single speaker rather than the whole. It took a bit of figuring and the key is spacing them out.

The back surrounds work fine and was only listening to Star Trek V (1989) a few days ago the new originals on DVD the hissing of the turbo doors as Kirk and others exit the bridge is heard directly behind as they walk off-screen.

The arrays of x4 surrounds for centre back eliminates the hole in the bucket effect. Two doesn’t cut four yes.

The timber matching once EQ with hours of testing up and down here and there gets near spot on smooth response with Terminator 3 (2002) as the “hunter killer” comes out the lift and swoops over John Connor and Catherine Brewster with an eerie tone because its so smooth without sudden jumps in the highs too much and bass level on the surrounds and sneaked a little 40Hz out thou very rare as these are only quoted down to 70Hz.

LCR again is all played separately with each driver with its own amplifier though the DCX2496 crossover system.

Sub bass well if I had more I could eliminate the standing wave/null issues I might have two subs but there not matched so I have to find he best possible spot with less null and take it from there.

Lows pound the sofa with chest feeling depending on frequency. Deep lows give good depth and creditability on Star Trek the motion picture (1979) with Jerry Goldsmith score. Range can sneak down to below 20Hz on the JBL the Eltax can’t quite mange that well its good for 30Hz or about 25Hz.

Highs over the LCR now that’s tough one depending on age the sweep goes up to 20.000 thou I can just make out 16.000 with headphones when doing an auditory test and I haven’t done one in few years since my headphones are buggered up.

I need to get all the equipment located in the bedroom which is to one side of the living room and channel all the cables/loudspeakers around the room. I don’t like clutter. Plus its in the way and might be reflecting some sound waves off it. So when I can get a long enough drill bit as I need to go though at last 5 ½ inches.

Anyway that’s way ahead.

[Brainstorm]

Good stuff Brainstorm, keep up the project. We like the photos. Don't pay any attention to Pixelthis, he's an alien from the planet Alabama.

Hello to Her Majesty if you have her over for tea! :thumbsup:

Well she popped down to Bournemouth, yesterday as matter of fact. She wanted to borrow so sugar. I said why sure you can have my last bag of sugar. Won’t you come in for cup of tea? She was pressed for time as you know. LOL kidding I’m kidding.:smilewinkgrin:

I’ve got my phaser set to kill the alien, just as long as its not one of those Denver peeping tom Aliens. LOL Here you, get away from my window! Zappp! LOL:biggrin5:

Well point of fact its mostly archaic some of the equipment but that doesn’t say it doesn’t still work. Just as long as I can get the full six-track Dolby flavour out into the room or beyond by stretching the limits by extracting what is common now as centre back with basic Dolby pro-logic decoder matted with the main AVR or getting bit more action from LCR with left/centre right/centre which needs a few new decoders and amps and another DCX2496 which is miles away from happening now.

I need to pay attention and get the amps finalized with Alesis RA300 and bigger Behringer 2.4KW for the JBL sub, its all money and I’m not in real rush to show off to the world, if opportunity knocks I’ll go for it, but only if I have the money.

[pixelthis]

Well you look like pretty boy,:blush2: hmm, yes I fancy you a lot. Do you want some money to buy an ice-cream?:wink5:

No, I’m single and loving it, because I don’t have hassles with talk-back or any lip, I go to sleep as and when I god damn feel like it. I say bugger the sun I’m not rising when it rises I get up when I’m god damn good and ready.

I eat when I choice I take a bath when I chose I go to the bog when I chose I brush my teeth each day I sit at my computer and wonder? WTF am I doing sharing with the world to a bunch of strangers whom I’ve never met face-to-face?

If this was anywhere else like the street I wouldn’t even bother sharing.

So to answer your question again, I’m straight and no I’m not gay so step back will you please.:dita:

You Eurotrash types are so obtuse sometimes.
My point is that you cant have a woman in your life, because if you did when you started
this frankenstein project she would have left long ago.
Glad you like the life of a single, because with a flat that looks like a TV repair store blew up you will most certainly remain that way.
A great sounding system hardly helps if you're friends are afraid to enter your place on fear of electrocution.
AND why did you post if you werent willing to take a little constructive criticism?:1:

[pixelthis]

Hey Pix, what channel is that? Gracias.

Thats planet salma , best thing to come out of Mehi-co since Tequilia.:1:

[masudkarim]

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[RoadRunner6]

Thats planet salma , best thing to come out of Mehi-co since Tequilia.:1:

Hey Pix, I know we don't always agree on flat panel TV's but we are definitely on the same wavelength on women!!!

I think Salma has beautiful hair! (sorry Brainstorm for getting off subject here)

RR6 :thumbsup:

[RoadRunner6]

Here's a closeup of her hair.

(OK, that's it .... now back to Brainstorm's system!)

[GMichael]

Nice hair!
Both of them.

[pixelthis]

Hey Pix, I know we don't always agree on flat panel TV's but we are definitely on the same wavelength on women!!!

I think Salma has beautiful hair! (sorry Brainstorm for getting off subject here)

RR6 :thumbsup:

WELL, I am glad that you take our somewhat sprited debates in the proper light.
There are always things that men will agree on.
And Salma is one of them.
And Carmen another(what is it about latin women?):1:

[pixelthis]

Here's a closeup of her hair.

(OK, that's it .... now back to Brainstorm's system!)

SYSTEM?
A "system" implies organization.
A bunch of rocks rolling downhill isnt a "system " just because they are rolling in the same direction.
Brainstorm is a good name for him because he is definatly suffering from some form of epilepsy.
I want to see a plan, an organized idea for a system that is guiding him, not just an urge
to fill the gaps in his wall with yet another cheap plastic speaker.
BTW I am almost positive that that Sub is in direct violation of the nuclear anti-proliferation treaty.:1:

[audio amateur]

Pix, that eye candy ain't necessary :(

[pixelthis]

Pix, that eye candy ain't necessary :(


NONE of the best things in life are.
This entire website is devoted to unnessesary joys, that are really, in the way they
put spice in life, really are nessesary after all.
Is a Creek integrated "nessesary"? A TV the size of an Audi?
Or an Audi, for that matter?:1:

[colin.delport123]

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